Pioneer1 Posted July 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2023 frankster They Represent Archetypes of Humanity Male and Female.....The Serpent represent an intelligence within both - This I have confirmed. Not asking you what they "represent". I'm asking have you confirmed and verified that the story ITSELF actually took place? Did YOU confirm that there were 2 people named Adam and Eve in a Garden talking with a reptile serpent? We are made of Atoms.....Atoms are part of Nature. All atoms are not the same. And even atoms that ARE the same will produce different objects when configured and structured differently. So no....just because two things are made from the same atoms doesn't mean they ARE THE SAME thing. Just like two different television shows may be made from the same light waves and sound waves coming through the same television tube....but they are two different shows because the sights and sounds are structured and formatted differently. I am It from a different Perspective and Frequency Which means you are DIFFERENT than the lake. We appear different as a result of Perspective and Perception Duality and Bias. Ofcourse you APPEAR different, because you ARE different. Where Did the material come from to make these things? Some came FROM (key word) nature, others came FROM the laboratories of human beings. The fact that some of the material to make them comes FROM nature should also tell you that they are no longer part OF nature. They can't be FROM it and still A PART of it at the same time. There are many more women out there qualified to hold the title and office of Mayor.. Are there many more beings out there qualified to be the Supreme? No. That particular Being would no longer be Supreme if another Being had the same Attributes. Is the Supreme a Title or Office? Title...yes. Office...not sure. In other words is it the Only or First? Not sure what you mean by "it".... However The SUPREME BEING is Both the First and Only Yes.....That is the case Do you have proof or even evidence of your claim that All that exists today has always existed? So this Being created Existence from itself??? I'm not sure. So there other Beings with which this Being is of a Kind?.....possible contenders? There are certainly other B/beings out there....YOU'RE one of them. And so am I. Contenders? No. Is this a Being or an Entity? Both. An Entity IS a Being. Whatever exists...whatever "be" is a be-ing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankster Posted July 4, 2023 Report Share Posted July 4, 2023 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster They Represent Archetypes of Humanity Male and Female.....The Serpent represent an intelligence within both - This I have confirmed. Not asking you what they "represent". I'm asking have you confirmed and verified that the story ITSELF actually took place? Did YOU confirm that there were 2 people named Adam and Eve in a Garden talking with a reptile serpent? You are asking that i confirm something I never affirmed. I have found truth and i told you where it lies. 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: We are made of Atoms.....Atoms are part of Nature. All atoms are not the same. Never said they were. 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: And even atoms that ARE the same will produce different objects when configured and structured differently. We are all composed of atoms....all sand grains are sand whilst sand castles may differ. 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: So no....just because two things are made from the same atoms doesn't mean they ARE THE SAME thing. They are the same at the Atomic level being composed of Atoms. 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Just like two different television shows may be made from the same light waves and sound waves coming through the same television tube....but they are two different shows because the sights and sounds are structured and formatted differently. Yes but on the level of Photons....they are nothing but Photons 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I am It from a different Perspective and Frequency Which means you are DIFFERENT than the lake. No...Only in perspective are we Different 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: We appear different as a result of Perspective and Perception Duality and Bias. Ofcourse you APPEAR different, because you ARE different. It seems We have had this conversation before.... Different Perspective must create The illusion of Difference....I am looking at a car's mineral composition and you are looking at it as a whole. 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Where Did the material come from to make these things? Some came FROM (key word) nature, others came FROM the laboratories of human beings. What is in or from these Laboratories that is not from Natures? 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: The fact that some of the material to make them comes FROM nature should also tell you that they are no longer part OF nature. They can't be FROM it and still A PART of it at the same time. All these material comes from Nature and remain in Nature and as such are a part of Nature. 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: There are many more women out there qualified to hold the title and office of Mayor.. Are there many more beings out there qualified to be the Supreme? No. That particular Being would no longer be Supreme if another Being had the same Attributes. So it alone has those Attributes...could you name one such attribute? 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Is the Supreme a Title or Office? Title...yes. Office...not sure. If it's a title then it can be given to others? If its an office then others can hold or occupy it? 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: In other words is it the Only or First? Not sure what you mean by "it".... However The SUPREME BEING is Both the First and Only First implies others. 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Yes.....That is the case Do you have proof or even evidence of your claim that All that exists today has always existed? All is Nature and Nature has always existed Energy cannot be destroyed 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: So this Being created Existence from itself??? I'm not sure. Fair enough.... 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: So there other Beings with which this Being is of a Kind?.....possible contenders? There are certainly other B/beings out there....YOU'RE one of them. And so am I. Contenders? No. No contenders. 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Is this a Being or an Entity? Both. An Entity IS a Being. Whatever exists...whatever "be" is a be-ing. cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted July 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2023 frankster You are asking that i confirm something I never affirmed .I have found truth and i told you where it lies. I didn't ask you did you find truth, I asked you have you confirmed for yourself any of the stories of the Bible as being true. You said you have. I asked you to name three, and so far you haven't managed to even name ONE. Instead you've been running around in circles ducking and dodging behind trees trying to throw me off my original request....lol. But it won't work.... I'm still asking for the stories of the Bible that YOU have confirmed, verified, vetted, as being truthful. We are all composed of atoms....all sand grains are sand whilst sand castles may differ. True. The atoms are the same, but the objects they produce are different. They are the same at the Atomic level being composed of Atoms. They aren't the same at the atomic level because the atoms are ARRANGED differently. Yes but on the level of Photons....they are nothing but Photons PHOTONS are photons...but the light they produce differs. Just like ink is ink, but the writings it produces varies widely. No...Only in perspective are we Different The perspective DETECTS the actual difference that exists. Different Perspective must create The illusion of Difference....I am looking at a car's mineral composition and you are looking at it as a whole. So you admit you don't see the big picture...lol. Focusing on only one aspect instead of the whole WILL give you a distorted view. What is in or from these Laboratories that is not from Natures? Let's start with computers, telephones, and microscopes...and go from there. All these material comes from Nature and remain in Nature and as such are a part of Nature. How can something be FROM nature and IN nature at the same time? So it alone has those Attributes...could you name one such attribute? When you say "it"....you are referring to?????? If it's a title then it can be given to others? Not necessarily. Only to Others who qualify....IF any Others qualify. If its an office then others can hold or occupy it? Again, not necessarily. Only to Others qualified to hold or occupy it....IF there are any. First implies others. It implies....but not necessarily asserts or limits. All is Nature and Nature has always existed Energy cannot be destroyed Lol...how do YOU know any of those statements to be true? Have you verified this for yourself, or did you simply hear White folks say them and you're just repeating them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankster Posted July 5, 2023 Report Share Posted July 5, 2023 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster You are asking that i confirm something I never affirmed .I have found truth and i told you where it lies. I didn't ask you did you find truth, I asked you have you confirmed for yourself any of the stories of the Bible as being true. You said you have. And I have 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I asked you to name three, and so far you haven't managed to even name ONE. Instead you've been running around in circles ducking and dodging behind trees trying to throw me off my original request....lol. But it won't work.... I'm still asking for the stories of the Bible that YOU have confirmed, verified, vetted, as being truthful. You are blinded by your preconceptions. 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: We are all composed of atoms....all sand grains are sand whilst sand castles may differ. True. The atoms are the same, but the objects they produce are different. They appear different 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: They are the same at the Atomic level being composed of Atoms. They aren't the same at the atomic level because the atoms are ARRANGED differently. They are composed of Atoms and as such they are the same....made of Atoms 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Yes but on the level of Photons....they are nothing but Photons PHOTONS are photons...but the light they produce differs. Just like ink is ink, but the writings it produces varies widely. In your example The Writings are made of Ink no matter what shape they take. 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: No...Only in perspective are we Different The perspective DETECTS the actual difference that exists. The light observed seems different given perspective. 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Different Perspective must create The illusion of Difference....I am looking at a car's mineral composition and you are looking at it as a whole. So you admit you don't see the big picture...lol. Focusing on only one aspect instead of the whole WILL give you a distorted view. All cars are composed of various minerals and minerals only. 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: What is in or from these Laboratories that is not from Natures? Let's start with computers, telephones, and microscopes...and go from there. Computers telephones and microscopes are made of what materials? 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: All these material comes from Nature and remain in Nature and as such are a part of Nature. How can something be FROM nature and IN nature at the same time? Are you from Nature? Are you in Nature? 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: So it alone has those Attributes...could you name one such attribute? When you say "it"....you are referring to?????? Supreme Being? 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: If it's a title then it can be given to others? Not necessarily. Only to Others who qualify....IF any Others qualify. So one must qualify 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: If its an office then others can hold or occupy it? Again, not necessarily. Only to Others qualified to hold or occupy it....IF there are any. Is there other being who may at some point qualify 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: First implies others. It implies....but not necessarily asserts or limits. True 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: All is Nature and Nature has always existed Energy cannot be destroyed Lol...how do YOU know any of those statements to be true? Do you know anything that is not of and in Nature 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Have you verified this for yourself, or did you simply hear White folks say them and you're just repeating them? You seemed to be enamored of white people? and That all ideas are of white people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted July 6, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2023 frankster Telephones are not of nature nor are they usually found IN nature.....unless someone dropped one by accident on a hiking trip, lol. Enamored of White people???? Are you serious? No, obviously all ideas don't come from White people but some of YOUR ideas that you seem to be impressed by come from them. Ideas like "time doesn't exist" for example. It seems to me that White people....some White philosophers or New Agers...made that claim and now so many people....including people of color...have accepted it and parrot it as if it's a fact, without taking the TIME to actually sit down and think about the statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankster Posted July 6, 2023 Report Share Posted July 6, 2023 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Telephones are not of nature nor are they usually found IN nature.....unless someone dropped one by accident on a hiking trip, lol. Neither are bird nest and beaver dams....If that be the case - in both cases bird nest and telephones are all made of materials from nature by beings in an of Nature 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Enamored of White people???? Are you serious? It seems you find it incredulous that African Thought these Ideas independent of Whites. 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: No, obviously all ideas don't come from White people but some of YOUR ideas that you seem to be impressed by come from them. Ideas like "time doesn't exist" for example. I shown that it is an African Idea.....Time is a Mental Construct 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: It seems to me that White people....some White philosophers or New Agers...made that claim and now so many people....including people of color...have accepted it and parrot it as if it's a fact, without taking the TIME to actually sit down and think about the statement. You think the ideas espoused by New Agers are New and European? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted July 6, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2023 frankster Neither are bird nest and beaver dams....If that be the case - in both cases bird nest and telephones are all made of materials from nature by beings in an of Nature Look at the term you keep using....FROM nature. I ask the question again, how can something be FROM nature and IN nature at the same time? It may be FROM nature but it's on longer IN or PART OF nature. It seems you find it incredulous that African Thought these Ideas independent of Whites. Which ideas are you specifically talking about? I shown that it is an African Idea.....Time is a Mental Construct Claiming that something is a "mental construct" is NOT the same as saying that it doesn't exist. Again, you have shown me NO EVIDENCE in which any ancient Africans claimed that time didn't exist. None. You think the ideas espoused by New Agers are New and European? Some are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankster Posted July 7, 2023 Report Share Posted July 7, 2023 13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Neither are bird nest and beaver dams....If that be the case - in both cases bird nest and telephones are all made of materials from nature by beings in an of Nature Look at the term you keep using....FROM nature. I ask the question again, how can something be FROM nature and IN nature at the same time? It may be FROM nature but it's on longer IN or PART OF nature. Are you FROM Nature? Are you IN Nature? Are you a Part of Nature? Can you answer no to any of the Above?...if so please explain. I am From My Mother and a Part of her as I was once INside her. I am Still apart of Her as everything I am is made from her Flesh(exclude sperm material) As I am No longer In Her...I am Apart from Her Not so with Nature....Me and my Mother are From(made of) Nature and remain a Part of Nature(Inside Nature) 13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: It seems you find it incredulous that African Thought these Ideas independent of Whites. Which ideas are you specifically talking about? The ones you refer to as New Age. 13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I shown that it is an African Idea.....Time is a Mental Construct Claiming that something is a "mental construct" is NOT the same as saying that it doesn't exist. Again, you have shown me NO EVIDENCE in which any ancient Africans claimed that time didn't exist. None. Then I must ask you to show where did I say "time did not exist" please keep it in context... I have maintain that time is a mental construct of this our shared reality....I have have shown where African philosophy has agreed All else is a misunderstanding on your part. 13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: You think the ideas espoused by New Agers are New and European? Some are. Which are New and which ones are Not African? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted July 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 frankster Are you FROM Nature? I'm not sure What is YOUR definition of nature? I think you gave it once, but so I don't have to go through all of the pages...please refresh my memory. Are you IN Nature? I'm not sure, again...it depends on your definition. Are you a Part of Nature? Same response, it depends on your definition. Although my positions haven't changed...yet....I've decided to STEP BACK from my previous positions on "nature" until I get a CLEAR DEFINITION from you on what you think Nature actually is. I am From My Mother and a Part of her as I was once INside her. I am Still apart of Her as everything I am is made from her Flesh(exclude sperm material) Physically speaking, I think you WERE a part of her but NO LONGER a part of her. You DESCENDED from her. Mentally, perhaps you are a part of her MEMORY and emotions. But physically, you are independent from her. Then I must ask you to show where did I say "time did not exist" please keep it in context... I'm not sure if YOU DIRECTLY said that time didn't exist or you implied it by posting an excerpt from an article stating this. I have to look back and see. I have maintain that time is a mental construct of this our shared reality....I have have shown where African philosophy has agreed I don't disagree with this position either. But again, the "time not existing" part I DO disagree with and I'll provide the quote of it if I find it. Unless you removed it, it's there...whether YOU said it or a third party said it and you co-signed it. Which are New and which ones are Not African? -Time not existing -Believing in Saint Germaine -Role of the Anunnaki Although the Anunnaki...according to the research widely available to us...are an ancient group of advanced Beings that were widely discussed in ancient Sumerian literature thousands of years before the so-called "New Age" movement... How they've been DESCRIBED and their ROLE in human history and development has been largely shaped by the Western New Age movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted July 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 frankster In Delano's thread: How can you tell if something is true? On page 1 Posted June 4 You said: Quote Maybe not, depending on what and how Time Is .......until it's found and observed it may no exist - Schrodinger's cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankster Posted July 8, 2023 Report Share Posted July 8, 2023 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Are you FROM Nature? I'm not sure What is YOUR definition of nature? I think you gave it once, but so I don't have to go through all of the pages...please refresh my memory. Look up all the definitions in the dictionary/encyclopedia. What is Yours? 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Are you IN Nature? I'm not sure, again...it depends on your definition. It surely does. 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Are you a Part of Nature? Same response, it depends on your definition. Although my positions haven't changed...yet....I've decided to STEP BACK from my previous positions on "nature" until I get a CLEAR DEFINITION from you on what you think Nature actually is. Neither have mine.. 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I am From My Mother and a Part of her as I was once INside her. I am Still apart of Her as everything I am is made from her Flesh(exclude sperm material) Physically speaking, I think you WERE a part of her but NO LONGER a part of her. You DESCENDED from her. Mentally, perhaps you are a part of her MEMORY and emotions. But physically, you are independent from her. Fine I can accept that. 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Then I must ask you to show where did I say "time did not exist" please keep it in context... I'm not sure if YOU DIRECTLY said that time didn't exist or you implied it by posting an excerpt from an article stating this. I have to look back and see. I have maintain that time is a mental construct of this our shared reality....I have have shown where African philosophy has agreed I don't disagree with this position either. But again, the "time not existing" part I DO disagree with and I'll provide the quote of it if I find it. Unless you removed it, it's there...whether YOU said it or a third party said it and you co-signed it. The Only reference I remember is that "Time does not exist in dreams" and if it does its not the same way it does in Physical Reality. 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Which are New and which ones are Not African? -Time not existing -Believing in Saint Germaine -Role of the Anunnaki Although the Anunnaki...according to the research widely available to us...are an ancient group of advanced Beings that were widely discussed in ancient Sumerian literature thousands of years before the so-called "New Age" movement... How they've been DESCRIBED and their ROLE in human history and development has been largely shaped by the Western New Age movement. Ok so which of these are new age and which are not African?....you never said. The only one above I would say is New Age and European...is Saint Germaine. Time is a Mental Construct....Eternal and Everlasting as in Timeless existing outside of time.....is not a New Idea and is African The Anunnaki maybe the same or similar Beings as the Nommo or Chitauli of the Dogon. To some historians the first great Rulers and Civilization in what is now called the Middle East were African The Following is the Testimony of a Zulu Sangoma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankster Posted July 9, 2023 Report Share Posted July 9, 2023 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster In Delano's thread: How can you tell if something is true? On page 1 Posted June 4 You said: Maybe not, depending on what and how Time Is .......until it's found and observed it may no exist - Schrodinger's cat I think we were referring to either Dinosaur Bones or Schrodinger's cat 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted July 15, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2023 franster Look up all the definitions in the dictionary/encyclopedia. I have, and I'm sure they differ from YOUR definition....lol. I remember you gave a vague description of what YOU consider nature but I didn't find it skimming through our posts. You thought nature was "everything" or something along those lines. If you'd just give me your definition again, I can answer your questions. The Only reference I remember is that "Time does not exist in dreams" and if it does its not the same way it does in Physical Reality. No, the assertion that time didn't exist PERIOD was made. Either by your or in a quote. Can't back away from it...lol. Like I keep saying, we need to stay away from these nonsensical theories from White philosophers. Putting out statements that merely "sound" good or deep but when you sit down and really think about them, they're crazy as hell. Ok so which of these are new age and which are not African?....you never said. All of thee above. Every belief I listed up there is "new age" and didn't come from Africa. The only one above I would say is New Age and European...is Saint Germaine. Glad to come to SOME agreement...lol. Time is a Mental Construct....Eternal and Everlasting as in Timeless existing outside of time.....is not a New Idea and is African But that's not the assertion. The constant assertion in many White New Agers (and Black folks who mimic them) is that time DOES NOT exist. The Anunnaki maybe the same or similar Beings as the Nommo or Chitauli of the Dogon. They could be, but I doubt it. I too am familiar with Credo Mutwa the South African "shaman" and listened to many of his interviews. Especially with David Icke. From what he says, these beings are more spiritual and closer to what many calls Extraterrestials or what a lot of people now call "Reptilians". While according to most of the literature I've studies the Anunnaki....despite the translation of their name...were more Earth based and human like. I actually want to believe that the REAL identity of the Anunnaki were the original Black men and women of that area and as usual the Caucasian interpreters put a spin on it to make them seem like "gods who came from another planet". I think we were referring to either Dinosaur Bones or Schrodinger's cat Ok, but still....you suggest that time may not exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankster Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: franster Look up all the definitions in the dictionary/encyclopedia. I have, and I'm sure they differ from YOUR definition....lol. I remember you gave a vague description of what YOU consider nature but I didn't find it skimming through our posts. You thought nature was "everything" or something along those lines. If you'd just give me your definition again, I can answer your questions. The phenomena of the Physical Universe in its entirety. 13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: The Only reference I remember is that "Time does not exist in dreams" and if it does its not the same way it does in Physical Reality. No, the assertion that time didn't exist PERIOD was made. Either by your or in a quote. I Do not recollect doing so. 13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Can't back away from it...lol. Like I keep saying, we need to stay away from these nonsensical theories from White philosophers. I am not backing away from anything I said. Like I kept saying its not theories from white philosophers. 13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Putting out statements that merely "sound" good or deep but when you sit down and really think about them, they're crazy as hell. Is that what you do? Like Giving white people credit that rightfully belongs to Africans. 13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Ok so which of these are new age and which are not African?....you never said. All of thee above. Every belief I listed up there is "new age" and didn't come from Africa. Excluding "time not existing" which we have yet to ascertained where the idea originated in this thread...and St Germaine. All the others are African and Ancient.....And I have shown that. 13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: The only one above I would say is New Age and European...is Saint Germaine. Glad to come to SOME agreement...lol. cool 13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Time is a Mental Construct....Eternal and Everlasting as in Timeless existing outside of time.....is not a New Idea and is African But that's not the assertion. The constant assertion in many White New Agers (and Black folks who mimic them) is that time DOES NOT exist. I have made my assertions.....Not to be confused with your misunderstandings of New Thought philosophy and Transcendentalism both of which are white philosophies now called New Age all of which is built on African and Asian philosophy. 13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: The Anunnaki maybe the same or similar Beings as the Nommo or Chitauli of the Dogon. They could be, but I doubt it. I too am familiar with Credo Mutwa the South African "shaman" and listened to many of his interviews. Especially with David Icke. From what he says, these beings are more spiritual and closer to what many calls Extraterrestials or what a lot of people now call "Reptilians". While according to most of the literature I've studies the Anunnaki....despite the translation of their name...were more Earth based and human like. I actually want to believe that the REAL identity of the Anunnaki were the original Black men and women of that area and as usual the Caucasian interpreters put a spin on it to make them seem like "gods who came from another planet". Cool....so the idea of alien beings coming from another planet to earth as so called gods is neither new age or white contrary to your assertions. As we just heard the same or similar story from the mouth of an African Shaman. 13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I think we were referring to either Dinosaur Bones or Schrodinger's cat Ok, but still....you suggest that time may not exist. You have yet to show where I said that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted July 16, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 frankster The phenomena of the Physical Universe in its entirety. Oh. Well then, I disagree with YOUR definition of "nature". However I can answer your questions: Are you FROM Nature? According to YOUR definiton of Nature, no. I'm PHYSICAL body is not "from" Nature but STILL IN Nature. Are you IN Nature? As mentioned above....according to YOUR definition of Nature, my PHYSICAL body is in nature. Are you a Part of Nature? According to YOUR definition of Nature, my PHYSICAL body is part of nature. But again, I don't agree with YOUR definition of nature. But thanks for providing it for the sake of clarity. Is that what you do? Like Giving white people credit that rightfully belongs to Africans. Do you have an example of an idea or philosophy that CLEARLY came from Africa that I gave White people credit for? I'm not talking about SHARED ideas of which the origins are obscure...but ideas that without a doubt were found among Africans first? Excluding "time not existing" which we have yet to ascertained where the idea originated in this thread...and St Germaine. All the others are African and Ancient.....And I have shown that. So the beliefs about the Anunnaki are "African" you say???? That's funny, because I thought Anunnaki was a Sumerian term. Cool....so the idea of alien beings coming from another planet to earth as so called gods is neither new age or white contrary to your assertions. No. The ancients of ALL the races...including the Africans...taught this. What I'm questioning is the specific story of the Anunnaki as whether or not THEY were alien or actual humans mislabeled as such by White interpreters of Sumerian script. As we just heard the same or similar story from the mouth of an African Shaman. Did he say they were the SAME as the Anunnaki? You have yet to show where I said that. Lol.....man, I just showed you in that cat reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankster Posted July 17, 2023 Report Share Posted July 17, 2023 11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster The phenomena of the Physical Universe in its entirety. Oh. Well then, I disagree with YOUR definition of "nature". However I can answer your questions: Please explain your disagreement? 11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Are you FROM Nature? According to YOUR definiton of Nature, no. I'm PHYSICAL body is not "from" Nature but STILL IN Nature. How are you not from Nature 11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Are you IN Nature? As mentioned above....according to YOUR definition of Nature, my PHYSICAL body is in nature. ok 11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Are you a Part of Nature? According to YOUR definition of Nature, my PHYSICAL body is part of nature. Ok 11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: But again, I don't agree with YOUR definition of nature. But thanks for providing it for the sake of clarity. What is Your definition of Nature? 11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Is that what you do? Like Giving white people credit that rightfully belongs to Africans. Do you have an example of an idea or philosophy that CLEARLY came from Africa that I gave White people credit for? I'm not talking about SHARED ideas of which the origins are obscure...but ideas that without a doubt were found among Africans first? How about aliens from outer space came to earth as gods... 11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Excluding "time not existing" which we have yet to ascertained where the idea originated in this thread...and St Germaine. All the others are African and Ancient.....And I have shown that. So the beliefs about the Anunnaki are "African" you say???? That's funny, because I thought Anunnaki was a Sumerian term. Africans founded Sumer/Sumeria/Shinar according to some historians....if that be the case then its African 11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Cool....so the idea of alien beings coming from another planet to earth as so called gods is neither new age or white contrary to your assertions. No. The ancients of ALL the races...including the Africans...taught this. What I'm questioning is the specific story of the Anunnaki as whether or not THEY were alien or actual humans mislabeled as such by White interpreters of Sumerian script. No....That's not what we were discussing - we are discussing that you thought that white people invented the following idea...Now you are saying the Ancients from all races taught this........Thats a flip. I quote: "I actually want to believe that the REAL identity of the Anunnaki were the original Black men and women of that area and as usual the Caucasian interpreters put a spin on it to make them seem like "gods who came from another planet". 11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: As we just heard the same or similar story from the mouth of an African Shaman. Did he say they were the SAME as the Anunnaki? The general idea that they were "beings/gods from outer space" is where the similarity lies. 11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: You have yet to show where I said that. Lol.....man, I just showed you in that cat reference. No you did not....provide the post in context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted July 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 frankster Please explain your disagreement? Well, for one.....you believe the ENTIRE Physical Universe is Nature, no? I don't believe this. I believe things that are man-made...artificial...(clearly a part of the Physical Universe) are NOT part of Nature. How are you not from Nature? I don't know....lol. Because I believe I AM from Nature. I said, ACCORDING TO YOUR DEFINITION...I'm not "from" it....but still "apart" of it. How about aliens from outer space came to earth as gods... I believe Advanced Beings from another Galaxy came to this planet and seeded it. I'll refrain from using names and titles. This tends to add to confusion and disagreement. Africans founded Sumer/Sumeria/Shinar according to some historians....if that be the case then its African BLACK people founded it. Whether they came from Africa or another part of Asia, I'm not sure. However I believe they were from another part of Asia. No....That's not what we were discussing - we are discussing that you thought that white people invented the following idea...Now you are saying the Ancients from all races taught this........Thats a flip. I quote: "I actually want to believe that the REAL identity of the Anunnaki were the original Black men and women of that area and as usual the Caucasian interpreters put a spin on it to make them seem like "gods who came from another planet". How is that a "flip" when I actually CLARIFIED my understanding of who I believe the Anunnaki actually were? I believe Advanced Beings came from another planet and seeded this one. I don't believe...at this point...that the Anunnaki were these Beings. The general idea that they were "beings/gods from outer space" is where the similarity lies. If you want to connect the two stories based on "similarities"....then you might as well go grab your Bible and throw Genesis in there as well. There are "similar" stories there too. We're not looking for more stories and similarities, we're searching for the TRUTH. If someone got their house broken into and they're looking for the suspect so they can get their valuables back- .....they ain't trying to sit there all day listening to you run down a list of "similar" people who committed "similar" crimes. "Ok, let's start with Charles Manson. He broke into a home similar to yours but he actually killed people and...." They want to know if you have THE SUSPECT with YOUR VALUABLES. If not....keep searching. We can find "similar" stories all day, but they'll be mere entertainment for us as we look for THE TRUTH. No you did not....provide the post in context. .....seriously bro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankster Posted July 19, 2023 Report Share Posted July 19, 2023 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Please explain your disagreement? Well, for one.....you believe the ENTIRE Physical Universe is Nature, no? Yes i do. 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I don't believe this. fine 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I believe things that are man-made...artificial...(clearly a part of the Physical Universe) are NOT part of Nature. All these man made stuff from where does man get the material to make these artificial stuff? When a bird or wasp make a nest is that part of nature or artificial? 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: How are you not from Nature? I don't know....lol. Because I believe I AM from Nature. I said, ACCORDING TO YOUR DEFINITION...I'm not "from" it....but still "apart" of it. No..... in my definition you would be from and a part of Nature. 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: How about aliens from outer space came to earth as gods... I believe Advanced Beings from another Galaxy came to this planet and seeded it. I'll refrain from using names and titles. This tends to add to confusion and disagreement. Initially you said this idea was that of the white man now you are a believer in something you thought the white man made up....Pioneer1 who woulda thought you believe in a philosophy you thought was the white man's. 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Africans founded Sumer/Sumeria/Shinar according to some historians....if that be the case then its African BLACK people founded it. Whether they came from Africa or another part of Asia, I'm not sure. However I believe they were from another part of Asia. I believe they were Africans.....Sag-gig-ga. 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: No....That's not what we were discussing - we are discussing that you thought that white people invented the following idea...Now you are saying the Ancients from all races taught this........Thats a flip. I quote: "I actually want to believe that the REAL identity of the Anunnaki were the original Black men and women of that area and as usual the Caucasian interpreters put a spin on it to make them seem like "gods who came from another planet". How is that a "flip" when I actually CLARIFIED my understanding of who I believe the Anunnaki actually were? I believe Advanced Beings came from another planet and seeded this one. I don't believe...at this point...that the Anunnaki were these Beings. Please....I won't belabour the obvious. 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: The general idea that they were "beings/gods from outer space" is where the similarity lies. If you want to connect the two stories based on "similarities"....then you might as well go grab your Bible and throw Genesis in there as well. There are "similar" stories there too. We're not looking for more stories and similarities, we're searching for the TRUTH. The Idea of physical beings coming from space posing as gods....the idea is not foreign to Africans nor did they get it from white people. This how you find truth....a search for commonalities and recurring themes globally and historically among many writings and artifacts old and new. 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: If someone got their house broken into and they're looking for the suspect so they can get their valuables back- .....they ain't trying to sit there all day listening to you run down a list of "similar" people who committed "similar" crimes. That is exactly what the do....its call modus operandi(method) - its one of methods use to find criminals 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: "Ok, let's start with Charles Manson. He broke into a home similar to yours but he actually killed people and...." They want to know if you have THE SUSPECT with YOUR VALUABLES. If not....keep searching. We can find "similar" stories all day, but they'll be mere entertainment for us as we look for THE TRUTH. How the Criminal does what he did tells you a lot...if the criminal ties a knot in a particular way(similar) to some one having special training then a conjecture can be made as to where type of individual age and even ethnicity - its call Profiling 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: No you did not....provide the post in context. .....seriously bro? You said I posted something which I do not recollect posting they way you are presenting it....so yes Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted July 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2023 frankster All these man made stuff from where does man get the material to make these artificial stuff? Where they got the material from is im-MATERIAL....lol (pun intended). The fact that it's man made in my opinion means it's no longer "natural". When a bird or wasp make a nest is that part of nature or artificial? It's not artificial. And yes, I would consider it part of nature. It was made, but not made by humans or Higher Intelligences. No..... in my definition you would be from and a part of Nature. Which...structurally...makes little sense. How can a person be FROM something and PART of it as the same time? The word "from" implies distance and separation. Initially you said this idea was that of the white man now you are a believer in something you thought the white man made up....Pioneer1 who woulda thought you believe in a philosophy you thought was the white man's. Can you provide a quote where I said that the idea of Beings coming from another planet and seeding the Earth was a "White man's" idea? I don't remember saying that. I believe they were Africans.....Sag-gig-ga. And they might have been. Not sure. However keep in mind that Africans aren't the ONLY Black people. The Idea of physical beings coming from space posing as gods....the idea is not foreign to Africans nor did they get it from white people. Not sure what you mean "posing as gods". Are you suggesting that Who you'd consider "real gods" didn't come from space to colonize the Earth but only beings "pretending" to be, or something? You said I posted something which I do not recollect posting they way you are presenting it....so yes Seriously. (sigh) In Delano's thread: How can you tell if something is true? On page 1 Posted June 4 You said: Quote Quote Maybe not, depending on what and how Time Is .......until it's found and observed it may no exist - Schrodinger's cat Here, you clearly stated that time may NOT exist. What did I take out of context? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankster Posted July 20, 2023 Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster All these man made stuff from where does man get the material to make these artificial stuff? Where they got the material from is im-MATERIAL....lol (pun intended). The fact that it's man made in my opinion means it's no longer "natural". To my knowledge All the material that mankind uses is from Nature... Yet when a bird makes something....it remains natural 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: When a bird or wasp make a nest is that part of nature or artificial? It's not artificial. Why is it not artificial? 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: And yes, I would consider it part of nature. Why would you still considered it a part of Nature... 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: It was made, but not made by humans or Higher Intelligences. Yes it was not made by humans....but by birds - are birds and human Animals? 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: No..... in my definition you would be from and a part of Nature. Which...structurally...makes little sense. How can a person be FROM something and PART of it as the same time? The word "from" implies distance and separation. Simply you still live in that which created you....Every part of you is from and of - Nature. Unlike a mother and child you can never be separated from Nature 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Initially you said this idea was that of the white man now you are a believer in something you thought the white man made up....Pioneer1 who woulda thought you believe in a philosophy you thought was the white man's. Can you provide a quote where I said that the idea of Beings coming from another planet and seeding the Earth was a "White man's" idea? I don't remember saying that. I quote: as usual the Caucasian interpreters put a spin on it to make them seem like "gods who came from another planet". 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I believe they were Africans.....Sag-gig-ga. And they might have been. Not sure. However keep in mind that Africans aren't the ONLY Black people. Truth be told we are all Africans 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: The Idea of physical beings coming from space posing as gods....the idea is not foreign to Africans nor did they get it from white people. Not sure what you mean "posing as gods". Are you suggesting that Who you'd consider "real gods" didn't come from space to colonize the Earth but only beings "pretending" to be, or something? They were Beings from outer space with superior knowledge 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: You said I posted something which I do not recollect posting they way you are presenting it....so yes Seriously. (sigh) In Delano's thread: How can you tell if something is true? On page 1 Posted June 4 You said: Quote Maybe not, depending on what and how Time Is .......until it's found and observed it may no exist - Schrodinger's cat Here, you clearly stated that time may NOT exist. What did I take out of context? Then you misunderstood....I was referring to the cat in schrodinger's thought experiment - not Time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted July 20, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2023 frankster To my knowledge All the material that mankind uses is from Nature... FROM nature. Meaning it's no longer IN nature. Why is it not artificial? Artificial is a "man made" imitation of something original. Why would you still considered it a part of Nature... Because I consider animals in the wild and their habitat part of nature. Yes it was not made by humans....but by birds - are birds and human Animals? Birds are, humans are not. Truth be told we are all Africans But that's not the truth....lol....so don't tell it. They were Beings from outer space with superior knowledge But you don't consider them "gods" or "real gods"? Then you misunderstood....I was referring to the cat in schrodinger's thought experiment - not Time Oooooh, ok....well then I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankster Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster To my knowledge All the material that mankind uses is from Nature... FROM nature. Meaning it's no longer IN nature. If it's not still in Nature.....do tell where it is? 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Why is it not artificial? Artificial is a "man made" imitation of something original. When man modifies Natures it is artificial....when other animals do the same or similar things its remains Natural. Why is that? 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Why would you still considered it a part of Nature... Because I consider animals in the wild and their habitat part of nature. Wild as in free.. Human habitations are not in Nature? 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Yes it was not made by humans....but by birds - are birds and human Animals? Birds are, humans are not. Human are Not Animal? How so? 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Truth be told we are all Africans But that's not the truth....lol....so don't tell it. I told it because it's true. 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: They were Beings from outer space with superior knowledge But you don't consider them "gods" or "real gods"? No...Just more advance sentient Beings 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Then you misunderstood....I was referring to the cat in schrodinger's thought experiment - not Time Oooooh, ok....well then I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted July 22, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 frankster If it's not still in Nature.....do tell where it is? It's in the inventions of human beings. It may have CAME FROM Nature but it's not in the stove, in the car, in the telephone, in the house, etc.... When man modifies Natures it is artificial Sometimes. Not all man made things are artificial. Telephones are man made, but most of them are real and not artificial. ....when other animals do the same or similar things its remains Natural. Why is that? Animals can't modify or manufacture things to the level humans can, thus what they do pretty much REMAINS in it's Natural state. A bird can take some twigs and build a nest, but it can't wire the next for electricity or plumbing....lol. Wild as in free.. Human habitations are not in Nature? Not sure about the "free" part, but some humans' habitations are....if they're wild. Because some humans are wild. Human are Not Animal? No How so? Because we're not of their kingdom. Not only are our bodies different but our Souls are different. I told it because it's true. It's not "truth"...it's theory. It's part of the "Out of Africa Theory". Which I personally don't ascribe to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankster Posted July 23, 2023 Report Share Posted July 23, 2023 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster If it's not still in Nature.....do tell where it is? It's in the inventions of human beings. It may have CAME FROM Nature but it's not in the stove, in the car, in the telephone, in the house, etc.... Where Are these inventions? Are they in Nature? 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: When man modifies Natures it is artificial Sometimes. Not all man made things are artificial. Telephones are man made, but most of them are real and not artificial. Not all man made things are artificial....what differentiates one from the other? 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: ....when other animals do the same or similar things its remains Natural. Why is that? Animals can't modify or manufacture things to the level humans can, thus what they do pretty much REMAINS in it's Natural state. A bird can take some twigs and build a nest, but it can't wire the next for electricity or plumbing....lol. So the level of modification of a Natural thing make it no longer Natural but artificial? The engineering and architectural designs of their nests makes both plumbing and electricity unnecessary for theirs needs. 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Wild as in free.. Human habitations are not in Nature? Not sure about the "free" part, but some humans' habitations are....if they're wild. Because some humans are wild. So humans habitations are in Nature? 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Human are Not Animal? No We are Mammalian and Mammals are Animals 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: How so? Because we're not of their kingdom. Not only are our bodies different but our Souls are different. No.....We do belong to the Animalia kingdom Our bodies are different..... Yet We are all Living Things. Many Animals Breathe Air/Oxygen and most if not all are Intelligent....So it likely our souls are same though individual and idiosyncratic. 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I told it because it's true. It's not "truth"...it's theory. It's part of the "Out of Africa Theory". Which I personally don't ascribe to. Until better more convincing info to the contrary is discovered or made available....then it is True - Out of Africa Theory of Man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted July 23, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2023 frankster Where Are these inventions? Are they in Nature? You're using one of them....it's called the INTERNET. You're most likely using another one called a phone or computer. And unless you're sitting in the woods somewhere with your legs folded typing away on your laptop...I don't know if you're in Nature or not, LOL. Not all man made things are artificial....what differentiates one from the other? Many variables. The smart phone that you use is man-made, but unless it only LOOKS like a cell phone but contains skittles inside the box, it's most likely real and not an "artificial phone". example of Artificial Phones So the level of modification of a Natural thing make it no longer Natural but artificial? I would say so. Although obviously I'm not the sole determiner. The engineering and architectural designs of their nests makes both plumbing and electricity unnecessary for theirs needs. The necessity of it is irrelevant. The fact that it's not there, is. So humans habitations are in Nature? For some, I would say so. No.....We do belong to the Animalia kingdom If you were walking with someone you love and a stranger walked up to them and said they looked just like an "animal"...would it bother you at all? Until better more convincing info to the contrary is discovered or made available....then it is True - Out of Africa Theory of Man. Well, I hope you're not a judge in the court of law....lol. You're liable to find someone guilty and give them 100 years for a crime NOBODY was around to have witnessed, simply based on the limited information you have sitting before you on your desk. "Excuse me you're honorificship! But I would like to officiate a scholarly CONTEST or PROTEST of the legalistic conclusion that your magistratership arrived at and suscribed upon my personificationhood! To staticize (or santize depending on your level of spiritualitiship) my vocabulary in more simplistic terminalogy; or in other words...... I gots to get the fuck up outta here!" ....and if more "convincing" information to the contrary happens to come along....well....then you might consider reducing the sentence or letting them go. But that's not how TRUTH is determined. Either something HAPPENED or it DIDN'T happen. If you weren't there to witness it then you need PROOF...not just mere "information" that supports your conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankster Posted July 23, 2023 Report Share Posted July 23, 2023 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Where Are these inventions? Are they in Nature? You're using one of them....it's called the INTERNET. You're most likely using another one called a phone or computer. And unless you're sitting in the woods somewhere with your legs folded typing away on your laptop...I don't know if you're in Nature or not, LOL. If you are anywhere in existence you are in Nature.... 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Not all man made things are artificial....what differentiates one from the other? Many variables. The smart phone that you use is man-made, but unless it only LOOKS like a cell phone but contains skittles inside the box, it's most likely real and not an "artificial phone". example of Artificial Phones Anything you use or make is of and a part of Nature 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: So the level of modification of a Natural thing make it no longer Natural but artificial? I would say so. Although obviously I'm not the sole determiner. No Matter how you modify A part of Nature it is still a part of and made of Nature and remains in Nature. 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: The engineering and architectural designs of their nests makes both plumbing and electricity unnecessary for theirs needs. The necessity of it is irrelevant. The fact that it's not there, is. Necessity is the mother of invention. Why would they make something they have no need of? 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: So humans habitations are in Nature? For some, I would say so. Thanks.....To my understanding all human habitations are in Nature and Made of Nature. 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: No.....We do belong to the Animalia kingdom If you were walking with someone you love and a stranger walked up to them and said they looked just like an "animal"...would it bother you at all? Yes it probable would... 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Until better more convincing info to the contrary is discovered or made available....then it is True - Out of Africa Theory of Man. Well, I hope you're not a judge in the court of law....lol. You're liable to find someone guilty and give them 100 years for a crime NOBODY was around to have witnessed, simply based on the limited information you have sitting before you on your desk. "Excuse me you're honorificship! But I would like to officiate a scholarly CONTEST or PROTEST of the legalistic conclusion that your magistratership arrived at and suscribed upon my personificationhood! To staticize (or santize depending on your level of spiritualitiship) my vocabulary in more simplistic terminalogy; or in other words...... I gots to get the fuck up outta here!" ....and if more "convincing" information to the contrary happens to come along....well....then you might consider reducing the sentence or letting them go. But that's not how TRUTH is determined. Either something HAPPENED or it DIDN'T happen. If you weren't there to witness it then you need PROOF...not just mere "information" that supports your conclusion. If I have enough information to say that the out of Africa theory is true. You do not need proof....Just enough information "beyond a reasonable doubt" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted August 5, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2023 frankster If you are anywhere in existence you are in Nature.... According to YOUR definition of Nature. But let me ask you this..... Is there anything that you'd consider "unnatural"???? Necessity is the mother of invention. Why would they make something they have no need of? And Creativity is the Father. They indeed DO need it from time to time because birds often freeze to death and are attacked by other wild animals in their nests. But because they don't have the Creativity that humans have, they don't invent it....although they need it. Thanks.....To my understanding all human habitations are in Nature and Made of Nature. Yes, you have a pretty broad definition of Nature....lol. Yes it probable would... But if humans are animals....as you say...why would it? If I have enough information to say that the out of Africa theory is true. You do not need proof....Just enough information "beyond a reasonable doubt" Correction: YOU don't need proof. I do. I don't believe in so-called "theories". I'll accept as probably or most likely being valid if they make sense and there is no better explaination; however I don't believe in them or accept them as absolute truth UNTIL solid proof comes along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankster Posted August 11, 2023 Report Share Posted August 11, 2023 Norman Bergrun N.A.S.A Engineer Says 7ft Black People Piloting Gigantic Cylinder Ships Around Saturn PROJECT CAMELOT NORMAN BERGRUN RINGMAKERS OF SATURN INTERVIEW YouTube 360p... .....52:00 minute mark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted August 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2023 This is why I keep telling people that White folks aren't the first people on this planet to fly. We've BEEN flying in vehicles.....for BILLIONS of years. Not millions but BILLIONS and possibly TRILLIONS; especially when you read some of the ancient Dravidian scriptures about the ancient Vihamanas and the Beings who operate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted August 12, 2023 Report Share Posted August 12, 2023 On 8/12/2023 at 7:24 AM, Pioneer1 said: We've BEEN flying in vehicles.....for BILLIONS of years. Not millions but BILLIONS and possibly TRILLIONS... Hold up bro... 1) Humans haven't been around for billions of years 2) Black folks must have been cursed like a mf'er to go from flying vehicles to end up in slavery 3) We must have regressed like h8ll mentally considering not only aren't we flying vehicles but we're hardly building infrastructure of any kind. 4) Some African countries have poor electricity, unpaved roads and weak sanitation systems, etc. Black folks can take credit for many things. I wouldn't bet on flying vehicles for billions or trillions of years though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted August 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2023 2 hours ago, ProfD said: Hold up bro... 1) Humans haven't been around for billions of years 2) Black folks must have been cursed like a mf'er to go from flying vehicles to end up in slavery 3) We must have regressed like h8ll mentally considering not only aren't we flying vdhxuks but we're hardly building infrastructure of any kind. 4) Some African countries have poor electricity, unpaved roads and weak sanitation systems, etc. Black folks can take credit for many things. I wouldn't bet on flying vehicles for billions or trillions of years though. According to CAUCASIAN scientists.....humans haven't been around billions of years. According to the Nation of Islam, many Native Americans cultures, and ancient Indian/Dravidian cultures.....humanity is not just millions but TRILLIONS of years old. Now, I don't have a time machine to verify whether this is an absolute fact or not, however based on past observations and patterns....WHITE FOLKS DO LIE. Remember...... The same ones telling you that humanity isn't billions of years old but only a few million or only a few hundred thousand years old....were the SAME ones telling you 150 years ago that humanity was only SIX THOUSAND years old and started with Adam and Eve. Whatever you think about the indigenous Native American, African, or Dravidian cultures and tribes....atleast they're consistant with THEIR stories. White folks' stories KEEP changing with every generation....lol. FIRST they claimed humans were created as Adam and Eve. THEN they claimed humans evolved from apes. THEN they changed it a little and said not from apes but from a COMMON ANCESTOR of the ape.....lol NOW the devil is sitting up there with a pink face and rosey cheeks talking about aliens from outer space came down and TWEEKED the dna of some hominid and made human beings.....then flew back up into space and left them....lol If there's anything crazier than the different stories White folks give as "scientific explanations" for humanity.....it's the niccaz who are CRAZIER than them for even following their madness, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted August 12, 2023 Report Share Posted August 12, 2023 The guy said the people were "Black" like the color, he did not say like a so-called "Black" person. Who is that guy anyway and why should we care what he is saying for even believe it? 5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: We've BEEN flying in vehicles.....for BILLIONS of years. Not millions but BILLIONS and possibly TRILLIONS; especially when you read some of the ancient Dravidian scriptures about the ancient Vihamanas and the Beings who operate them. When you say that Black people have been around for trillions are years, two orders of magnitude longer than the best estimate of the age of the universe, that sounds crazier than what flat earthers believe. What ancient Dravidian scriptures make this claim? Obviously the "Black" people you are talking about are extra-terrestrials, right? The best estimate of Earth's age is about 4 billion years and most of the time the environment would not have supported human life. I assume you believe that these ancient life forms deposited Black people on Earth. Is that rght? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted August 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2023 Troy he guy said the people were "Black" like the color, he did not say like a so-called "Black" person. Oh.... So these PEOPLE with BLACK skin......shouldn't be considered "Black"??? I guess you have to look like Rock Newman to be considered "Black" in your book.....lol. two orders of magnitude longer than the best estimate of the age of the universe, The best estimate of Earth's age is about 4 billion years and most of the time the environment would not have supported human life. Who's doing all of this "estimating"??? Are they Black? What ancient Dravidian scriptures make this claim? I didn't say ancient Dravidian scriptures.....I said CULTURE. To my knowledge, the ancient Dravidians (who were Black) didn't promote a lot of scriptures for their beliefs like the Aryans (who were Caucasian) with their Vedic books. But most Hindu sources are a mixture of ancient Dravidian and later Aryan beliefs. I don't have my hands on Hindu scripture because there are so many, but a quick search will tell you Hinduism teaches that the Earth is billions and trillions of years old. Age of Earth is 155.5 trillion years - Astrology (astrogle.com) I assume you believe that these ancient life forms deposited Black people on Earth. Is that rght? I personally believe as many claim the ancient Egyptians believed.....that Black people from other star systems "seeded" OUR solar system with people to begin humanity in this system. I also believe those first people were Black. However I believe this happened TRILLIONS of years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted August 12, 2023 Report Share Posted August 12, 2023 Deep sigh... Astrogle.com? What is that? Are you scouring the web to find the most outlandish things imaginable to just to make a point? The Bible’s teaching seems pretty simple: the earth was created on the first of the six twenty-four-hour days of Genesis, which culminated with the creation of Adam, the first human. Adding up the genealogies in Genesis puts the age of the earth at about six thousand years. --https://realfaith.com/what-christians-believe/old-earth/ What makes your source better than the one I just shared? You reject all science because white people, in the past, perverted it with their racism to ideology justify the persecution of Black people. In the age of information we are astoundingly misinformed. Collectively, we are probably worse off that we were before the dawn of the information age. The only saving grace is that you are free to believe whatever you want. In an earlier time, you could have been burned at the sake for expressing a belief not held by those in charge. Progress I guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankster Posted August 12, 2023 Report Share Posted August 12, 2023 On 8/5/2023 at 6:59 PM, Pioneer1 said: frankster If you are anywhere in existence you are in Nature.... According to YOUR definition of Nature. But let me ask you this..... Is there anything that you'd consider "unnatural"???? No.....not unnatural On 8/5/2023 at 6:59 PM, Pioneer1 said: Necessity is the mother of invention. Why would they make something they have no need of? And Creativity is the Father. They indeed DO need it from time to time because birds often freeze to death and are attacked by other wild animals in their nests. But because they don't have the Creativity that humans have, they don't invent it....although they need it. Humans still freeze to death... On 8/5/2023 at 6:59 PM, Pioneer1 said: Thanks.....To my understanding all human habitations are in Nature and Made of Nature. Yes, you have a pretty broad definition of Nature....lol. We live in a Natural Universe. On 8/5/2023 at 6:59 PM, Pioneer1 said: Yes it probable would... But if humans are animals....as you say...why would it? It is the percieved intent that is bothersome. On 8/5/2023 at 6:59 PM, Pioneer1 said: If I have enough information to say that the out of Africa theory is true. You do not need proof....Just enough information "beyond a reasonable doubt" Correction: YOU don't need proof. I do. I don't believe in so-called "theories". I'll accept as probably or most likely being valid if they make sense and there is no better explaination; however I don't believe in them or accept them as absolute truth UNTIL solid proof comes along. Seems to me on this point we saying the same thing using different verbage.....cool by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankster Posted August 12, 2023 Report Share Posted August 12, 2023 8 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: This is why I keep telling people that White folks aren't the first people on this planet to fly. We've BEEN flying in vehicles.....for BILLIONS of years. Not millions but BILLIONS and possibly TRILLIONS; especially when you read some of the ancient Dravidian scriptures about the ancient Vihamanas and the Beings who operate them. EGYPTIAN CIVILIZATION DECODES AERODYNAMICS | Secrets of Ancient Egypt CHILLING MESSAGES ENCODED in Egyptian Tombs | Secrets of Ancient Egypt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted August 13, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2023 6 hours ago, Troy said: Deep sigh... Astrogle.com? What is that? Are you scouring the web to find the most outlandish things imaginable to just to make a point? The Bible’s teaching seems pretty simple: the earth was created on the first of the six twenty-four-hour days of Genesis, which culminated with the creation of Adam, the first human. Adding up the genealogies in Genesis puts the age of the earth at about six thousand years. --https://realfaith.com/what-christians-believe/old-earth/ What makes your source better than the one I just shared? You reject all science because white people, in the past, perverted it with their racism to ideology justify the persecution of Black people. In the age of information we are astoundingly misinformed. Collectively, we are probably worse off that we were before the dawn of the information age. The only saving grace is that you are free to believe whatever you want. In an earlier time, you could have been burned at the sake for expressing a belief not held by those in charge. Progress I guess... Sighing is a sign that your brain needs more oxygen.....lol. You admit that White people perverted science (or rather USED science for their perverted purposes) in "the past"...... What makes you so sure they're not STILL doing it today? Btw....the 6,000 year date was given because CAUASIANS are only around 6,000 years old. THEY are the descendants of Adam and Eve.....not us. We.....the original people....are known as "Pre-Adamites". We've been around BILLIONS if not TRILLIONS of years. And you're right....humanity IS in the Age of Information -MIS-information. The Caucasians in authority have decided to use the internet and other sources to FLOOD much of humanity with a bunch of garbage and mis-information and lies and distortions with a little "truth" buried in and sprinkled inside of it to the point you don't know which from what. The goal isn't to get mere "information" but to get FACTS....TRUTH....KNOWLEDGE. If you have a bad cold. You don't need to waste time reading mere "information" that will have you doing things that are totally useless and a waste of time and energy. You want KNOWLEDGE and FACTS that will tell you exactly what to do to get rid of that cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevdove Posted August 13, 2023 Report Share Posted August 13, 2023 13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Btw....the 6,000 year date was given because CAUASIANS are only around 6,000 years old. THEY are the descendants of Adam and Eve.....not us. Oh!!! Here we go again! @Pioneer1 Even Minister Louis Farrakhan had to retract that statement. Back in the 1970s he said this, but later, he retracted this because it is SO NOT TRUE! You know darn well that Neandethals are older than 6000 years, so therefore, White people cannot be only 6000 years older as we all MODERN HUMANS, both Black and White come after the Neanderthals and after the earlier straight haired BLACK HOMINIDS. 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: We.....the original people....are known as "Pre-Adamites". We've been around BILLIONS if not TRILLIONS of years. Where in the world are you getting this from!? There is no Negroes with afros that can be proven before 6000 years. Negroes with afros are NOT PRE-ADAMITES. I'm sure you've watched paternaty shows where the judge says 99.99% proof that YOU ARE THE FATHER!!! That is not White man's science, that is proven scientific facts! Stop being so arrogant @Pioneer1! LOL! You give White people credit for Black origins. And not only that but you are contradicting yourself! In another thread you talk about White men having black genes, LOL! That's because all modern mankind can be scientifically traced back to one male origin out of Africa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted August 14, 2023 Report Share Posted August 14, 2023 @Pioneer1, as you already know, I don't *believe* human beings really know 1) how they were created nor 2) how long they've been around. *I* would only give human beings several thousands of years pf existence considering the rate at which we've evolved. If human beings have been around for millions, billions or trillions of years, I wouldn't brag about it because that would make our evolution as a species kinda pathetic. Otherwise, *I don't know* the answer to that question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted August 16, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2023 Chev Oh!!! Here we go again! @Pioneer1 Even Minister Louis Farrakhan had to retract that statement. Back in the 1970s he said this, but later, he retracted this because it is SO NOT TRUE! What? WHEN did Minister Farrakhan "retract" that statement? Show me the quotes! How can Minister Farrakhan retract a position established by Elijah Muhammad himself, that Adam represents the Caucasian! @Troy and @Chevdove If you two don't want to listen to me, then listen to Brother Malcolm: " When i say liar: you have white people who are scientists and keep truth in their own circles, and they never let you -- they never let the masses -- know anything about this truth that they keep in the circle. They got something else that they invent and put out for the masses to believe, but they themselves keep knowledge in a circle. So in this particular book it pointed out that some archaeologists were delving in the ruins of the ancient city of Troy, and it's the practice of archaeologists to dig, so in digging down into the ruins of Troy they dug deeper than they intended to, and they ran into the ruins of another city that had been there so much longer than this city of Troy that it had gone down beneath the sands of time, and they had built this city of Troy on top of it.......This happened four different times -to give you some idea of what the white man knows concerning the length of time man has been on this earth -and still that white man would jump up in your face and try to make you believe that the first man was made six thousand years ago named Adam. The birth of the white race has always been a secret. The Honorable Elijah Muhammad says that the birth of the white race is shrouded in the story of Adam. The story of Adam hides the birth of the white race, and because you and I have never been taught to look into a thing and analyze a thing we took the story of Adam exactly as it was. We thought that God made a man named Adam six thousand years ago. But today The Honorable Elijah Muhammad teaches us that man, Adam, was a white man; that before Adam was made the black man was already here. The white man will even tell you that, because he refers to Adam as the first one. He refers to the Adamites as those who came from that first one. He refers to the pre-Adamites as those who were here before Adam. Right or wrong? Those people who were here before Adam. And he always refers to these people as "aborigines," which means what? BLACK FOLK!!!! You never find a white aborigine. Aborigines are called natives, and they're always dark-skinned people. You and I are aborigines. But you don't like to be called an aborigine; you want to be called an American. Aborigine actually means, "from the beginning." It's two Latin words, "ab" meaning "from"; "origine" meaning "the beginning"; and aborigine is only the term applied to those dark-skinned people who have been on this earth since the beginning of the universe. " http://www.edchange.org/multicultural/speeches/malcolm_x_history.html ProfD *I* would only give human beings several thousands of years pf existence considering the rate at which we've evolved. If human beings have been around for millions, billions or trillions of years, I wouldn't brag about it because that would make our evolution as a species kinda pathetic. I would say read the above quote from Malcolm, how he studied where White folks DID find ancient cities and civilizations that were around but White folks purposefully covered them up! For all we know we PROBABLY HAVE evolved and devolved and evolved and devolved in a trillions of years old cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted August 16, 2023 Report Share Posted August 16, 2023 @Pioneer1, I read the quote from brotha Malcolm X. I still think white folks are given way to much credit when it comes to intelligence. Everything white folks discover has been stolen from Black folks. Black folks are the original. I just don't think we've been around for trillions of years. IOW, I don't want to believe this is all of the progress we've made. I dont want to think we're in the midst of de-evolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevdove Posted August 16, 2023 Report Share Posted August 16, 2023 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: @Troy and @Chevdove If you two don't want to listen to me, then listen to Brother Malcolm: Okay @Pioneer1 I'll be back to read this. I just popped in briefly to comment on another thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted August 16, 2023 Report Share Posted August 16, 2023 17 hours ago, ProfD said: Everything white folks discover has been stolen from Black folks. True. Initially they admitted learning from Africans, but later "stole" it by insisting to take credit for it. I read what Malcolm supposedly said. If true I seriously doubt he continued to believe this stuff after leaving the Nation, do you @Pioneer1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted August 16, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2023 3 hours ago, Troy said: I read what Malcolm supposedly said. If true I seriously doubt he continued to believe this stuff after leaving the Nation, do you @Pioneer1? Like ProfD I have no idea of how long Black people have been on this planet. But besides witnessing it through a time-machine -I'm almost POSITIVE that: a) we've been on it much longer than 6 thousand years and b) we've been on it longer than White people have. I ABSOLUTELY believe the part about Adam and Eve representing the first White people! Malcolm wasn't the first person to recognize the symbolism of this story, it was DESIGNED by whoever designed it thousands of years ago to SHROUD the truth about how White people came about on our planet to it's old news. It was just kept secret in secret societies and secret circles....as Malcolm mentioned above. When I began studying the transliteration of the Hebrew Bible, it became quite clear who Adam represented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: It was just kept secret in secret societies and secret circles.... I know, the Illuminati right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeke1234 Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 Excuse me for butting into this tread. The 2017 article below says modern humans have been around about 250,000 years. The article after that says migration from Africa began about 100,000 ago. Two words for ‘watch over’ in the Old Testament, 'sapah' and 'samar'. Genesis 32:49 ---- ‘may the Lord keep watch (‘sapah’) between me and you, while we are absent one from another…. God is witness’ and provider ---between Laban and Jacob Psalms 121:3 ---- ‘he who watches (‘samar’) over you, will not slumber nor sleep---my help comes from the Lord’ Yahweh specializes in 'watching over' those who believe he is God, and who are obedient to His commandments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevdove Posted August 18, 2023 Report Share Posted August 18, 2023 On 8/15/2023 at 8:05 PM, Pioneer1 said: @Troy and @Chevdove If you two don't want to listen to me, then listen to Brother Malcolm: Okay @Pioneer1 I read it and I think that Malcolm X is/was a conundrum. Like him and many of the brothas and sistas of the recent past during those times, their fight helps us today, however, we need to build off of their positive works and edit some of the statements they made. We need to realize that our ancestors were products of CHILD SLAVERY and therefore, we have been fed a lot of lies and deception, therefore, we need to confirm truth, and be willing to correct statements if we find out it was wrong. Like I said, Minister Louis Farrakhan did just that. And, I did post it in a thread in the past. However, I will try to find it again. It popped up on my channel, a brief clip of him in his earlier days saying what you said about Jesus and the Jews being white but then later, he completely retracted this and he continually make statements in how the White Supremacist have lied and changed the race of Jesus to deceive Black people into rejecting Jesus. Malcolm X actually contradicts himself too and may be why he conflicted with the Nation. AFter he came back from the Middle East, he changed his agenda and sort of reverted back to his past. In his book, biography, written by Alex Haley, Malcolm shared that he was obsessed with White people. So, I think that his statements about Adam is not valid at all. Anyway, as I stated, science and genetics is pretty solid on male YDNA to the point that the accuracy of fatherhood can be 99.99% acurrate! I am not refuting that humans were older than 6000 years ago, and neither do scientist. Primitive humans were here on this earth but your statements are completely without any merit. Modern humans today are based on genetics and so, both Europeans and African people come from one male origin. period. Now, the genetic markers that modern humans show today do show that there has been interbreeding with primitive humans though. But you ignoring the scientific facts is simply crazy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted August 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2023 Troy I know, the Illuminati right? I don't know their names, but we know they exist. Unlike a lot of OUR people, White folks can actually hold secret societies and keep secrets....lol. zeke1234 Excuse me for butting into this tread. The 2017 article below says modern humans have been around about 250,000 years. The article after that says migration from Africa began about 100,000 ago. Lol...well the 2017 article is WRONG. Stop listening to White folks about the origins and age of humanity. They are PROVEN liars. The habitually lie about the origins and age of humanity every generation. Chev I am not refuting that humans were older than 6000 years ago, and neither do scientist. Primitive humans were here on this earth but your statements are completely without any merit. So it's your position that the only humans that go back beyond 6000 years are "primitive" humans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevdove Posted August 18, 2023 Report Share Posted August 18, 2023 On 8/15/2023 at 8:05 PM, Pioneer1 said: When i say liar: you have white people who are scientists and keep truth in their own circles, and they never let you -- they never let the masses -- know anything about this truth that they keep in the circle. They got something else that they invent and put out for the masses to believe, but they themselves keep knowledge in a circle. Geez, Malcolm is showing that he is obssessed with White people! Why would black men care about White people keeping secrets! THAT IS INSANE! The white man cannot hide the truth. @Pioneer1 You give white people too much credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted August 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, Chevdove said: Geez, Malcolm is showing that he is obssessed with White people! Why would black men care about White people keeping secrets! THAT IS INSANE! The white man cannot hide the truth. @Pioneer1 You give white people too much credit. Well, there's an old saying...... Keep your friends close, and your ENEMIES even closer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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