Cynique Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 What's is dogmatic about banning a religious clip that is publicly posted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 You know, you are right @Cynique I'm sorry for the hand I had in continuing this "debate." Thanks for being a much needed sane voice of reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delano Posted February 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Cynique said: What's is dogmatic about banning a religious clip that is publicly posted? Have you watched the clip by Rupert Sheldrake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynique Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 @DelNo. Tell me what it says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delano Posted February 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 @Mel Hopkins there's a slight misunderstanding. You can define it however you wish as can anyone. But what I was suggesting is that you use my definition. That includes priest. And I use your definition and exclude priest and discuss it from there other persons point of view. 1 hour ago, Cynique said: @DelNo. Tell me what it says. I can not tell you what it says any more than I can tell you what to think. There may be a transcript online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynique Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 @DelWhen did you stop telling people what to think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel Hopkins Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 12 hours ago, Delano said: . But what I was suggesting is that you use my definition. That includes priest. And I use your definition and exclude priest and discuss it from there other persons point of view. @Delano Ok, you go first. This way I can get up to speed as to what we will accomplish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delano Posted February 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Mel Hopkins said: @Delano Ok, you go first. This way I can get up to speed as to what we will accomplish. It's an exercise on being open minded and seeing if you can see the other person's point of view. It also deepens the conversation. Also it is in the religion topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel Hopkins Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Delano said: Also it is in the religion topic Ok - I look forward to your response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 I watched the video and agree with the statement found on Wikipedia (sources cited) below. @Delano it also explains your confusion about science. "Morphic resonance is not accepted by the scientific community as a measurable phenomenon and Sheldrake's proposals relating to it have been characterised as pseudoscience. Critics cite a lack of evidence for morphic resonance and an inconsistency between the idea and data from genetics and embryology. They also express concern that popular attention paid to Sheldrake's books and public appearances undermines the public's understanding of science.[a] Sheldrake's ideas have found support in the New Age movement from individuals such as Deepak Chopra." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delano Posted March 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Troy said: @Delano it also explains your confusion about science What's my confusion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel Hopkins Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 What is science? "Just as importantly, science is also a process of discovery that allows us to link isolated facts into coherent and comprehensive understandings of the natural world."https://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/whatisscience_01 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted March 3, 2018 Report Share Posted March 3, 2018 On 2/15/2018 at 3:04 PM, Delano said: Scientists are overwhelmingly atheist and a bit smugly so. @Delano, for example, I don't know where you get the information to make this statement -- particularly the smugness part. Did you read a survey that collected data on smugness, or is this statement based upon you anecdotal observations? Early in this conversation you accused me of making generalizations. Your statement about scientist is a bigoted generalization, but you can't see it. Usually when you accuse me of something of something are actually guilty of it yourself. The faults you see in other I suspect is a crystal clear reflection of how you view yourself. Your quote really underlies the contempt you seen to have for scientists. The best example of you confusion of science is reflected in your agreement with Pioneer's statement, "Absolutely science has become the new religion in the West!" I replied to pioneer's statement by writing: "Your categorization of science is completely wrong @Pioneer1. Science, unlike the world's great religions, would change a belief tomorrow if new information was presented that proved the current belief false." You did supported Pioneers statement by writing: "Do you realise how wrong you are. I'll give you some time to see if you can work it out." Actually now that I reread you reaction I see that it is a smug as you accuse scientist to be. Another example of you reflecting your own faults onto others. I replied to Pioneer with a reason why I disagreed with his statement, but your reply included the smug, passive-aggressive, and condescending; "I'll give you some time to see if you can work it out." If you were interested in my understanding you would simply explain. -------------- From the article Mel referenced: "Science is continually refining and expanding our knowledge of the universe, and as it does, it leads to new questions for future investigation. Science will never be 'finished.'" Science ≠ Religion 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 I read s two books about what actually happens in the scientific community. The reality is more interesting than the fiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 Perhaps. All scientists are flawed humans like the rest of us. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 3 hours ago, Troy said: Perhaps. All scientists are flawed humans like the rest of us. Yes and like religion those flaws play out in their field. The Bernoulli's were a mathematical family. There was a sibling rivalry that led to poisoning due to mathematical jealousy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 So religion and science are similar in that, in the wrong hands both can cause great harm. But, this is true for almost anything. Of course this does not make science a religion or vice-versa. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delano Posted March 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 No it does not, I am just showing some similarities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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