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@Chevdove: It's perfectly okay if you were religious, I learn the seriousness of right wrong by both the rod and the Bible.  As I alluded to before, your efforts are admirable and noble.  Your frustration seems to be getting the best of you though.  

 

We live in a world that has no pity for the downtrodden, nor mercy for the weak, especially if you're Black.   The oppression we experience is often done with lies and deliberate misguidance through biblical scriptures.   Unfortunately, you'll have to physically fight Black folk if you try to wake them up to that fact.   

 

Fact is, passages from the Bible may soon prove to be useless when you hit the heart of your research project.  Be prepared for hurt and disappointment.  In case you may not have noticed, I'm a pessimist with no faith in mankind, Black, nor especially white folk.  Yeah, like I said, if you have an idea about something on your mind, pursue it with vigor.  But be honest with yourself first; whether it's worth your while and/or capable of changing how you feel.  

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I should mention also, even scientific facts give us interworkings of the world, information about ourselves and others won't help most people change who they really are. 

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Just now, Chevdove said:

@Kalexander2 

@Chevdove: It's perfectly okay if you were religious, I learn the seriousness of right wrong by both the rod and the Bible.  As I alluded to before, your efforts are admirable and noble.  Your frustration seems to be getting the best of you though.  

 

We live in a world that has no pity for the downtrodden, nor mercy for the weak, especially if you're Black.   The oppression we experience is often done with lies and deliberate misguidance through biblical scriptures.   Unfortunately, you'll have to physically fight Black folk if you try to wake them up to that fact.   

 

Fact is, passages from the Bible may soon prove to be useless when you hit the heart of your research project.  Be prepared for hurt and disappointment.  In case you may not have noticed, I'm a pessimist with no faith in mankind, Black, nor especially white folk.  Yeah, like I said, if you have an idea about something on your mind, pursue it with vigor.  But be honest with yourself first; whether it's worth your while and/or capable of changing how you feel.  

Again, Thank you for your response.

 

LOL. I have to agree with much of what you just said!

 

So, I put on thick skin and get peace my own way! 

 

I understand how people can be pessimistic but I find so much peace in focusing on the positive too in all kinds of people. I've had some crazy good experiences with White people too, and I focus on that too when I do research and deal with racism. 

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2 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

 

I understand how people can be pessimistic but I find so much peace in focusing on the positive too in all kinds of people. I've had some crazy good experiences with White people too, and I focus on that too when I do research and deal with racism. 

 

Good for you!  I can't help but see below the surface, of the deception, fickleness, and stupidity the people think they are concealing.  I associate with white folk only when necessary and infrequent as possible in person.

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Just now, Kalexander2 said:

 

Good for you!  I can't help but see below the surface, of the deception, fickleness, and stupidity the people think they are concealing.  I associate with white folk only when necessary and infrequent as possible in person.

 

LOL Don't do that! 

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Just now, Kalexander2 said:

Can't help it, it's easy to get away, a privilege not afforded to most Blacks.  Besides, I find them no fun to be around.

 

LOL I hear you, but for me, it's okay. There were times when I needed help, ... and guess who came to my rescue!?

 

Anyway, peace out! I'm going to force myself to go to sleep... somehow. 

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16 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

There were times when I needed help, ... and guess who came to my rescue!?

 

Yeah, I hear you, when you're hungry, you gotta eat!  Me, I just sacrifice the damn meal, bless an empty table and go to bed satisfied. 

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Let me interject here about the end times. A person does not have to read or study the Bible to see what's happening, although the Bible (from the Old Testament) has foretold what we can see as obvious today. For instance, God warned Israel (His chosen), that because they could not seem to stay focused on worshiping him throughout time, and chose to worship idols, he would cause them to go into captivity to another nation. That nation was Babylon, a cousin of Israel. And because Babylon mistreated His chosen during the captivity, he promised both - Babylon and His Chosen - that he would punish them all using a strange nation.

 

That nation was not yet developed nor were they desendents of the original people and tribes of the earth, who were mostly Black and brown.

 

22 Thus saith the Lord, Behold, a people cometh from the north country, and a great nation shall be raised from the sides of the earth.
23 They shall lay hold on bow and spear; they are cruel, and have no mercy; their voice roareth like the sea; and they ride upon horses, set in array as men for war against thee, O daughter of Zion. (Jeremiah 6)
 
This nation from the north are all European and Slavic peoples, who are white by nature. They have been a curse to brown and Black people since the time of the captivity in Babylon by traveling, plundering and pillaging the earth and other countries. They are warmongers, cruel and merciless, and still are. They have never been a spiritual people and have little to no connection to any Divine Being. They will fulfill the prophesy of the end times because they have developed the capabilities to destroy this earth using nukes, chemical and biological weapons.
 
They rule the seas, and have perfected armies and the art of war.
 
It's just a matter of time.
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@TSegal:  Indeed, one need not read, know scriptures to realize something is coming, or imagine the destruction of humanity.  The Jews mentioned in scripture were not fair-skinned people, they were, as you mentioned, Black and Brown skinned.  The 'captivity' was, probably, in reality, a 'mass scattering' throughout the earth and most migrated to Africa.  Though they were Black like Africans, they were the original Israelites who natives of African had no problem turning them over for slavery, to Europeans.

 

The nation God chose to punish them for their transgressions were, well, every nation, especially America, and other countries.  However, and this is just my opinion, Jews lost the status of being God's chosen for, or before they refused to enter the promised land in the way God prescribed.  Also, I believe this idea of God having children, Jesus etc., rather than called creatures of God's creation was part of European's ploy to distract from the status of God's so-called 'chosen.'  

 

I say this because of pages in the 'original' (so they say) Torah in Hebrew University of Israel suggest throughout, lost status.  But my Hebrew speaking skills are still in infant stages, some of the Aramaic verbiages is quite simple, I think, at my level.

 

As with yourself, these are my interjections based the same data.  If one believe, that is, in such things.

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1 hour ago, TSegal said:
They will fulfill the prophesy of the end times because they have developed the capabilities to destroy this earth using nukes, chemical and biological weapons.
 
They rule the seas, and have perfected armies and the art of war.
 
It's just a matter of time.

 

“God gave Noah the rainbow sign,
No more water, the fire next time!”

 

Baldwin, James (2013-09-16T23:58:59). The Fire Next Time (Vintage International) (Kindle Locations 30-31). Knopf Doubleday Publishing Group. Kindle Edition. 

 

I love J. Baldwin, his thinking are signs of our time!!!

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20 hours ago, Kalexander2 said:

 

Yeah, I hear you, when you're hungry, you gotta eat!  Me, I just sacrifice the damn meal, bless an empty table and go to bed satisfied. 

 

I love your analogy and I thinking...

Haven't made up my mind yet, but this kind of conflict makes me wonder about men vs woman when it comes to tough decision making. Let me bring it home a little better:

 

More than 20 years ago, my husband and I went through a terrible human conflict and, I am grateful for him being with me through it. But due to making this a long story short; I wonder many times what people would do if they were faced abruptly with the reality of their little children being abruptly seized and taken from them... like slavery...

 

I think men cope with this issue differently than 'a true natural mother'. I've seen many stories where some women don't seem to 'lose it' if their children are taken from them, some have abused their own children, and etc. But me, I lost it. I know what it's like to have your spirit broken. I went through hell. I was severely persecuted by my own family members because they wanted me to stay on the job, put my babies in day care... I fought for my college degree and career job... First AFrican American woman in the Shipyard as an Industrial Hygienist, etc. etc. etc. ... but when I couldn't find a decent babysitter, I kept my own babies... tough decision... Stay-at-home-Mom--- Penalty... YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE IT IF I TOLD YOU... FAST FORWARD... When your enemies are your own people... and other step forward to help you.... Well, ... This American system is based on Colorism and White Supremacy... but that doesn't mean that Black people are not White Supremacist...

 

What some mothers will do for their children... When you're hungry, you gotta eat! ...

 

... I was thrown to the wolves... 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

13 hours ago, TSegal said:

Let me interject here about the end times. A person does not have to read or study the Bible to see what's happening, although the Bible (from the Old Testament) has foretold what we can see as obvious today. For instance, God warned Israel (His chosen), that because they could not seem to stay focused on worshiping him throughout time, and chose to worship idols, he would cause them to go into captivity to another nation. That nation was Babylon, a cousin of Israel. And because Babylon mistreated His chosen during the captivity, he promised both - Babylon and His Chosen - that he would punish them all using a strange nation.

 

That nation was not yet developed nor were they desendents of the original people and tribes of the earth, who were mostly Black and brown.

 

22 Thus saith the Lord, Behold, a people cometh from the north country, and a great nation shall be raised from the sides of the earth.
23 They shall lay hold on bow and spear; they are cruel, and have no mercy; their voice roareth like the sea; and they ride upon horses, set in array as men for war against thee, O daughter of Zion. (Jeremiah 6)
 
This nation from the north are all European and Slavic peoples, who are white by nature. They have been a curse to brown and Black people since the time of the captivity in Babylon by traveling, plundering and pillaging the earth and other countries. They are warmongers, cruel and merciless, and still are. They have never been a spiritual people and have little to no connection to any Divine Being. They will fulfill the prophesy of the end times because they have developed the capabilities to destroy this earth using nukes, chemical and biological weapons.
 
They rule the seas, and have perfected armies and the art of war.
 
It's just a matter of time.

 

 

@TSegal LOVE IT! AMEN.

 

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1 hour ago, Chevdove said:

I love your analogy and I thinking..

 

Thank you, Chevdove, excuse me if I take as a compliment!

 

1 hour ago, Chevdove said:

this kind of conflict makes me wonder about men vs woman when it comes to tough decision making

 

Are you referring to something else or the discussion between me and you?  We men tend to be more impatient than women, we lash out whether something is apparent or not so obvious because we believe our way is better; especially if we see ourselves as more informed.  In other words, we're stupid!!!   Even when it is clear you were right.  Not to go against our 'man-code' but I should keep it real, right?

 

1 hour ago, Chevdove said:

More than 20 years ago, my husband and I went through a terrible human conflict and, I am grateful for him being with me through it. But due to making this a long story short; I wonder many times what people would do if they were faced abruptly with the reality of their little children being abruptly seized and taken from them... like slavery...

 

For the life of me, it is unconscionable that a human being, any human being could ignore suffering, mercy on the little ones who need both parents.  Unfortunately, people have different reasons for doing what they do or allow to be done, even where their own children are concerned.  The fact that we consciously do things that harm children is a good part of what makes for 'pessimism' in me.  Only a man who is coward would allow another to seize his child and do nothing.  Little else justifies violence.  

 

Unless a response would jeopardize well-being other family members ... like with Black slaves.  Interfering with the slave-master could get everybody killed.  

 

1 hour ago, Chevdove said:

I think men cope with this issue differently than 'a true natural mother'. I've seen many stories where some women don't seem to 'lose it' if their children are taken from them, some have abused their own children, and etc. But me, I lost it. I know what it's like to have your spirit broken. I went through hell. I was severely persecuted by my own family members because they wanted me to stay on the job, put my babies in day care... I fought for my college degree and career job... First AFrican American woman in the Shipyard as an Industrial Hygienist, etc. etc. etc. ... but when I couldn't find a decent babysitter, I kept my own babies... tough decision... Stay-at-home-Mom--- Penalty... YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE IT IF I TOLD YOU... FAST FORWARD... When your enemies are your own people... and other step forward to help you.... Well, ... This American system is based on Colorism and White Supremacy... but that doesn't mean that Black people are not White Supremacist...

 

DAMN!  With every fiber of my being, I respect you, of food, water, and everything else, you decided your children need your presence more.  And you are right!  Nobody and I mean nobody, not even the father can love and nurture a child like mom can; not relatives, church nor siblings.  

 

I am sorry to break it to you but Black mothers in America struggle harder non-other than their Black children.  It's YOUR strength and decision-making that'll save them from themselves if not from the harsh realities of the world we live in.  I know everyone can't, don't the strength to do as I've done, go to bed hungry when I could have asked Whiteman for food, but that's me, my strength comes from my mother.  She sacrificed for her children and taught us to sacrifice for ourselves.  

 

Humans do their best work during adversary and on empty stomachs.  A Black man who can't go a few-days hungry isn't a real man, he's a punk, an intersexual being.   I am, indeed, sorry to hear about your ordeal.  hang in there!!

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13 minutes ago, Kalexander2 said:

 

Thank you, Chevdove, excuse me if I take as a compliment!

 

 

Are you referring to something else or the discussion between me and you?  We men tend to be more impatient than women, we lash out whether something is apparent or not so obvious because we believe our way is better; especially if we see ourselves as more informed.  In other words, we're stupid!!!   Even when it is clear you were right.  Not to go against our 'man-code' but I should keep it real, right?

 

 

For the life of me, it is unconscionable that a human being, any human being could ignore suffering, mercy on the little ones who need both parents.  Unfortunately, people have different reasons for doing what they do or allow to be done, even where their own children are concerned.  The fact that we consciously do things that harm children is a good part of what makes for 'pessimism' in me.  Only a man who is coward would allow another to seize his child and do nothing.  Little else justifies violence.  

 

Unless a response would jeopardize well-being other family members ... like with Black slaves.  Interfering with the slave-master could get everybody killed.  

 

 

DAMN

 

 

Thank you.

 

This is a tough issue for me and difficult to talk about. It is my constant rage and motivation at the same time. 

I don't even know how to frame it because most of my oppressors were actually Black women. I think a lot of Black women have trauma from the slave experience and it's ignored today. But I think what happened to me stems from that foundation. Nevertheless, there is no excuse, in my opinion, for a Black woman to throw down another, if she chooses to fend for her little ones. I love my mother still today, but I also confused and angry. She did me in. She threw me down. and she had a lot of help. If it had not been for the other Black women, her age and generation, that defended me, I would have been completely destroyed. My sons, her grandsons, don't want anything to do with her. They are still upset, and, believe it or not, sometimes they blame me!

 

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8 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

my oppressors were actually Black women

 

There can, in reality, be no oppressive Black women in America, just lose whatever compassion they may have.

 

10 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

I think a lot of Black women have trauma from the slave experience and it's ignored today. But I think what happened to me stems from that foundation

 

Any Blackman or woman in America who claims they don't experience after-effects from slavery is lying to themselves.  Those who attempt to hid it pay the greatest price.

 

14 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

Nevertheless, there is no excuse, in my opinion, for a Black woman to throw down another, if she chooses to fend for her little ones. I love my mother still today, but I also confused and angry. She did me in. She threw me down. and she had a lot of help. If it had not been for the other Black women, her age and generation, that defended me, I would have been completely destroyed. My sons, her grandsons, don't want anything to do with her. They are still upset, and, believe it or not, sometimes they blame me!

 

Clam down, Chevdove, that's the extreme focus that brought us this discussion ... during these posts you've used the pronouns "me, my, and I more than 10-times; how about 'them,' your children?  Fuck everybody else, what they say and do!!!  What are you doing?

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30 minutes ago, Kalexander2 said:

 

There can, in reality, be no oppressive Black women in America, just lose whatever compassion they may have.

 

 

Any Blackman or woman in America who claims they don't experience after-effects from slavery is lying to themselves.  Those who attempt to hid it pay the greatest price.

 

 

Clam down, Chevdove, that's the extreme focus that brought us this discussion ... during these posts you've used the pronouns "me, my, and I more than 10-times; how about 'them,' your children?  Fuck everybody else, what they say and do!!!  What are you doing?

 

lol... It's hard to 'forget' about everybody else... But thank you. I do need to keep focus on my real goal, my offspring... that is the focus... the next generation.

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11 hours ago, Chevdove said:

I think men cope with this issue differently than 'a true natural mother'. I've seen many stories where some women don't seem to 'lose it' if their children are taken from them, some have abused their own children, and etc. But me, I lost it. I know what it's like to have your spirit broken. I went through hell. I was severely persecuted by my own family members because they wanted me to stay on the job, put my babies in day care... I fought for my college degree and career job... First AFrican American woman in the Shipyard as an Industrial Hygienist, etc. etc. etc. ... but when I couldn't find a decent babysitter, I kept my own babies... tough decision... Stay-at-home-Mom--- Penalty... YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE IT IF I TOLD YOU... FAST FORWARD... When your enemies are your own people... and other step forward to help you.... Well, ... This American system is based on Colorism and White Supremacy... but that doesn't mean that Black people are not White Supremacist...

 

@Chevdove.

 

I read this earlier and had an epiphany, a coming to jesus meeting and experienced nirvana  - all in that order.   Thank you.   

Please keep in mind, I'm not saying your feelings and experience aren't valid, but what I'm about to write is based on my journey. And because of  what you expressed, I can see now  what I missed.   

From my perspective, the only difference I see between men and women are their goals.   

 

Successful opposite sex relationships arise from the two being goal mates.  For example, If the mates' goal is to ensure the success of their offspring, then they will do everything together that is necessary to make that happen.   

 

You've written that black women were your oppressor but could they have also been your savior? What were  their goals for you?  You mentioned in a follow up "

 

9 hours ago, Chevdove said:

But thank you. I do need to keep focus on my real goal, my offspring... that is the focus... the next generation.


Did they hope that you would do more than be a mother and caregiver for the next generation?  Did you go through your academic and professional experiences with the goal to be a mother and caregiver?   (Hypothetical question, because although I have a fabulous professional life  but I went through hell and high-water to raise my girls. They came first  because raising powerful women was my goal.   My ex-husband had the same goal - we just had different goals for marriage  .   

(20-20 hindsight speaking, here).  

My ex-husband is german-french ancestry because right up until I met him; men of african ancestry had been "my oppressor." - I realized from reading your response - that was a lie I told myself.   They weren't my oppressor -they just weren't my savior.  If we're looking for a savior - chances are we're going to find a lot more folks looking to be saved.  And they will most likely break our hearts.  But I digress.   

I was heart "broken" by the time I met my first love, a black man.  Up until him; I was a "player" in a game that was set up against women - but I didn't care because my heart wasn't in it. It wasn't my goal to be someone's property.  It was my goal to... I actually had no goals.  

 Coming to someone broken is a heavy load for the other to carry - especially when they may be broken too.  We are so much like sheep - we hide our wounds in an effort to not be vulnerable - but we expect someone to care for our wounds that they can't see.   I remained "broken" but expert at hiding my wounds. So anyone that wasn't like the one who didn't "save" me - was the hero.  

All this to say, we are all broken... no one is an oppressor ... We're just a bunch of broken vigilantes instigating and carrying out a bunch of  mini-battles since the dawn of time- we are the anti-christ, the beast.  

This, I believe, is why the idea of a supernatural savior and the idea of a supernatural energy called LOVE is so appealing.   We can access it but first we have to stop lying to ourselves about who the real enemy is.   

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9 minutes ago, Mel Hopkins said:

This, I believe, is why the idea of a supernatural savior and the idea of a supernatural energy called LOVE is so appealing.   We can access it but first we have to stop lying to ourselves about who the real enemy is.   

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More like $1 trillion!  The lying to ourselves is what has held humanity back since before the written word ... the truth opens the door to reality ... pain and hurt start to unfold beyond extreme, rational dimensions.  For me, the reality is lost of all optimism in humanity except for our inevitable self-destruction.  We don't even have the will-power to go hungry for a few days without subjecting ourselves to further degradation.  God knows, sister M. Hopkins, I want to be an optimistic person, but reality won't allow me.  The one thing holding me together is I still care, about many things, and especially Black folk.

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4 hours ago, Mel Hopkins said:

 

@Chevdove.

 

I read this earlier and had an epiphany, a coming to jesus meeting and experienced nirvana  - all in that order.   Thank you.   

Please keep in mind, I'm not saying your feelings and experience aren't valid, but what I'm about to write is based on my journey. And because of  what you expressed, I can see now  what I missed.   

From my perspective, the only difference I see between men and women are their goals.   

 

Successful opposite sex relationships arise from the two being goal mates.  For example, If the mates' goal is to ensure the success of their offspring, then they will do everything together that is necessary to make that happen.   

 

You've written that black women were your oppressor but could they have also been your savior? What were  their goals for you?  You mentioned in a follow up "

 


Did they hope that you would do more than be a mother and caregiver for the next generation?  Did you go through your academic and professional experiences with the goal to be a mother and caregiver?   (Hypothetical question, because although I have a fabulous professional life  but I went through hell and high-water to raise my girls. They came first  because raising powerful women was my goal.   My ex-husband had the same goal - we just had different goals for marriage  .   

(20-20 hindsight speaking, here).  

My ex-husband is german-french ancestry because right up until I met him; men of african ancestry had been "my oppressor." - I realized from reading your response - that was a lie I told myself.   They weren't my oppressor -they just weren't my savior.  If we're looking for a savior - chances are we're going to find a lot more folks looking to be saved.  And they will most likely break our hearts.  But I digress.   

I was heart "broken" by the time I met my first love, a black man.  Up until him; I was a "player" in a game that was set up against women - but I didn't care because my heart wasn't in it. It wasn't my goal to be someone's property.  It was my goal to... I actually had no goals.  

 Coming to someone broken is a heavy load for the other to carry - especially when they may be broken too.  We are so much like sheep - we hide our wounds in an effort to not be vulnerable - but we expect someone to care for our wounds that they can't see.   I remained "broken" but expert at hiding my wounds. So anyone that wasn't like the one who didn't "save" me - was the hero.  

All this to say, we are all broken... no one is an oppressor ... We're just a bunch of broken vigilantes instigating and carrying out a bunch of  mini-battles since the dawn of time- we are the anti-christ, the beast.  

This, I believe, is why the idea of a supernatural savior and the idea of a supernatural energy called LOVE is so appealing.   We can access it but first we have to stop lying to ourselves about who the real enemy is.   

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Greetings! You have a lot of insight! I love what you wrote. And I appreciate so much, your input!

 

You know, I am still deeply hurt what has happened to me but, because of the positive experience I have had from so many other women during that particular saga in my early marriage, I still do view my victory based upon the other Black women that came forward on my behalf. I did write that but I think, it was missed. I was too beaten down and trained and conditioned to not defend myself against my mother, and today, I still believe in that. Deep inside, I believe that it is dangerous to confront your elders in a outright hostile manner, so therefore, when I gave up, it seemed out of no where, I got calls from the Church mother, and long story short... I was told that a coalition of church mothers had gotten together, and called the Judges mother! LOL. One of the Church mothers actually knew the judge's mother and was named after her. And they told her my story. 

 

... So, the judges mother called her son and told her to "give that woman her sons back"! They told me to hold on, don't give up, you are going to get your kids back... and I did. I couldn't believe it! I resigned earlier. I quit my career job, because I had a nervous breakdown. My kids meant everything to me. My father told me that my mother was mentally off and angry because she didn't give birth to a son. 

 

My mother was a social worker and she made friends with the judge, a Black woman, and my kids were seized, with no warning, no trial... 3 years later, I got media attention from WB22, a news station owned by Jews, and they did aggressive media and uncovered the conspiracy... Even though my mother had no contact with me, my husband, or my kids for over a year, she alledged that my husband, sexually abused his sons, my own sons... they were five and seven when they were seized, so they very upset, years later when they heard the details...

 

 

 

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@Mel Hopkins

 

I forgot to address you question about career. I did not go after my career with the mindset that I would be a homemaker and that is the most shocking part of it all! I never even considered that would even be an issue until I was faced with the issue of trying to find a good babysitter. I didn't want my kids to suffer like some of the stories I have heard and what I went through. Both of my sisters were sexually abused and I've heard so many terrible stories like this, and I suffered as 'a latch key kid'. I never saw my mother as she was a career woman and yes, the women in my family demanded that I do the same. But I came to a point where I refused. But when it comes to BLACK WOMEN, I believe it is a terrible saga due to societal persecution. We are damned if we leave are kids and work and then, we are damned if we don't. We are viewed as selfish if we seek a career and then we are framed as lazy soap opera watching stay at home Moms if we don't, but other women don't get this treatment, in my opinion.

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Krazy Alexander 2 uttered:

 

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"I associate with white folk only when necessary and infrequent as possible in person."


Oh come on now Krazy Klarence....I mean Krazy Alexander....

Do you REALLY expect us to believe that????

How can you call your contact with Whites "infrequent" when they feed you and give you your medication several times a day?

BTW, I thought you said there was NO SUCH THING as race.....so who are these mysterious "White folk" that you speak of....lol.


 

 

 

 


Chevdove & Tsegal

It's great to know and understand scripture but I think it's dangerous for Black people to put too much faith in "end times" and the "end of the world".
...especially when we expect it to be THE answer to all of our problems.

It pacifies too many of us and prevents us from actually DOING THE WORK that need to do to make this planet a better place for ourselves.

That's one of the main problem I have with most of these organized religions an their protocols.
They keep you waiting and waiting and waiting on something OUTSIDE of yourself to change your environment.

Our people have a "laziness" problem where all they need is an excuse to sit down and DO NOTHING.
Waiting on "the lord" to take care of it all provides a convenient excuse for that.

Most of them were waiting on Jesus to come back during slavery to put an end to it but generation after generation was born, enslaved, tortured and died until a CIVIL WAR where hundreds of thousands of people were killed and maimed finally brought "official slavery" to an end.


We must always put our faith in the SUPREME BEING.
However we don't know the Plans of The SUPREME BEING, so it's often best not to guess at them and begin to roll up our sleeves and get busy doing what the Chinese, Indians, and other groups are doing which is WORKING.

China and North Korea and India ain't waiting on Jesus to come back or pointing their finger at Europe telling them that "karma" or the devil is going to pay them back for what they did.
They are building factories and sky scrapers and mapping out the future for their children and future generations so that they will no longer be in a vulnerable position to be mistreated.

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2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Do you REALLY expect us to believe that????

How can you call your contact with Whites "infrequent" when they feed you and give you your medication several times a day?

BTW, I thought you said there was NO SUCH THING as race.....so who are these mysterious "White folk" that you speak of....lol.

 

Ah yes, and so our infamous IMPOSTURE still trying to distract attention from himself!!

 

It’s kind of hilarious watching you try to fit your entire vocabulary into a couple of sentences.

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4 hours ago, Chevdove said:

My father told me that my mother was mentally off and angry because she didn't give birth to a son. 

 

(((HUGS))) @Chevdove  WOW, if this was a memoir it would be riveting because what you shared here rocked me!  Your mother was sad she didn't give birth to sons?

 Oh snap, As you mentioned this took a terrible toll on you and your siblings.    And if I understand correctly, she had your children taken away?    See, this is what I mean about broken people. If your mom is broken - then how does a broken woman raise  children and not break them too? In ways that she may not realize?    I had to realize that about myself - there are certain behaviors that I developed in response to my upbringing.  - My parents were loving parents to me - but they were broken too  and that can't help but spill over into the home.  

4 hours ago, Chevdove said:

But I came to a point where I refused. But when it comes to BLACK WOMEN, I believe it is a terrible saga due to societal persecution. We are damned if we leave are kids and work and then, we are damned if we don't. We are viewed as selfish if we seek a career and then we are framed as lazy soap opera watching stay at home Moms if we don't, but other women don't get this treatment, in my opinion.


I agree - if you let western society have their way, black women aren't even supposed to get pregnant ... We are made to feel ashamed for taking time to have babies in wedlock - and if we choose to be single parents -then...well that's unacceptable.  I wrote a blog post  about Bridget Jones ' Baby - because a black woman could have never starred in that movie, without all of society especially black america having the movie pulled before it aired LOL.... 

I remember when I was carrying my twins - and I had to go on bed rest; My woman Indian doctor, at the time, was reluctant to say mine disability papers lol... Even after the emergency room doctor ordered it.  I found a black woman ob-gyn with quickness  to care for me and deliver my girls.   So yes, I absolutely understand.   You have a very powerful story - I hope you've shared it already - and if you haven't I hope you find your voice. 

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8 minutes ago, Mel Hopkins said:

I agree - if you let western society have their way, black women aren't even supposed to get pregnant ... We are made to feel ashamed for taking time to have babies in wedlock - and if we choose to be single parents -then...well that's unacceptable.  I wrote a blog post  about Bridget Jones ' Baby - because a black woman could have never starred in that movie, without all of society especially black america having the movie pulled before it aired LOL.... 

I remember when I was carrying my twins - and I had to go on bed rest; My woman Indian doctor, at the time, was reluctant to say mine disability papers lol... Even after the emergency room doctor ordered it.  I found a black woman ob-gyn with quickness  to care for me and deliver my girls.   So yes, I absolutely understand.   You have a very powerful story - I hope you've shared it already - and if you haven't I hope you find your voice. 

 

I have my own theory but why is it always the Black woman who suffers the brunt of society's BS, and remains the most well kept concealed secret?   We Black males draw more attention to Black atrocities than those Black women suffer.  Why are they made the number 1 target?

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4 minutes ago, Kalexander2 said:

 

 We Black males draw more attention to Black atrocities than those Black women suffer.  Why are they made the number 1 target?


Since you like to insult my mother so much who is a Black woman......maybe YOU can answer that question.

Why is a Black woman YOUR number 1 target?

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24 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

my mother so much who is a Black woman.

 

So, you have a mother!  But is she really a Black woman?  Okay if you say so.  THERE, we just learned something else about you.  But not enough to salvage you credibility!

 

24 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Why is a Black woman YOUR number 1 target?

 

Black women are not my number 1 target, not my target at all, just your mother because she's an easy target.  Gets your panties all bunched up, or hers!!!

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Again............

 

 

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"I associate with white folk only when necessary and infrequent as possible in person."


Oh come on now Krazy Klarence....I mean Krazy Alexander....

Do you REALLY expect us to believe that????

How can you call your contact with Whites "infrequent" when they feed you and give you your medication several times a day?

BTW, I thought you said there was NO SUCH THING as race.....so who are these mysterious "White folk" that you speak of ??????????

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1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

o you REALLY expect us to believe that????

How can you call your contact with Whites "infrequent" when they feed you and give you your medication several times a day?

BTW, I thought you said there was NO SUCH THING as race.....so who are these mysterious "White folk" that you speak of ??????????

 

I don't have any, none, zero contact with White folk.  Even the long-distance operator is non-white.  That's what bothers you, your automatic defense system that keeps kicking in to distract, deflect attention from the White-wash, Whiteman bagger you are.  It's okay, you've made it clear you love White folk.  Why don't go to subscribe to a White website?  This one is for Black folk, that's why I'm here, why are you?

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12 hours ago, Kalexander2 said:

the Black woman who suffers the brunt of society's BS, and remains the most well kept concealed secret? 

 

@Kalexander2  I blame it on black mothers - who would tell us, " Cry and I'll give you something to cry for".   I wasn't even allowed to cry at my father's funeral.  My mother said, "Don't represent your father that way"  🤣

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16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:


Krazy Alexander 2 uttered:

 

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"I associate with white folk only when necessary and infrequent as possible in person."


Oh come on now Krazy Klarence....I mean Krazy Alexander....

Do you REALLY expect us to believe that????

How can you call your contact with Whites "infrequent" when they feed you and give you your medication several times a day?

BTW, I thought you said there was NO SUCH THING as race.....so who are these mysterious "White folk" that you speak of....lol.


 

 

 

 


Chevdove & Tsegal

It's great to know and understand scripture but I think it's dangerous for Black people to put too much faith in "end times" and the "end of the world".
...especially when we expect it to be THE answer to all of our problems.

It pacifies too many of us and prevents us from actually DOING THE WORK that need to do to make this planet a better place for ourselves.

That's one of the main problem I have with most of these organized religions an their protocols.
They keep you waiting and waiting and waiting on something OUTSIDE of yourself to change your environment.

Our people have a "laziness" problem where all they need is an excuse to sit down and DO NOTHING.
Waiting on "the lord" to take care of it all provides a convenient excuse for that.

Most of them were waiting on Jesus to come back during slavery to put an end to it but generation after generation was born, enslaved, tortured and died until a CIVIL WAR where hundreds of thousands of people were killed and maimed finally brought "official slavery" to an end.


We must always put our faith in the SUPREME BEING.
However we don't know the Plans of The SUPREME BEING, so it's often best not to guess at them and begin to roll up our sleeves and get busy doing what the Chinese, Indians, and other groups are doing which is WORKING.

China and North Korea and India ain't waiting on Jesus to come back or pointing their finger at Europe telling them that "karma" or the devil is going to pay them back for what they did.
They are building factories and sky scrapers and mapping out the future for their children and future generations so that they will no longer be in a vulnerable position to be mistreated.

 

Yes, I absolutely agree with what you have said. 

I say, pray without works are dead, dead, dead. 

And as far as 'end times' I have gotten out of my past mentality and the understanding and conditioning of what I once believed about it anyway.

I do hope though, while I work for a better existence from the issues going on today in this world when it comes to racism.

 

 

12 hours ago, Mel Hopkins said:

 

(((HUGS))) @Chevdove  WOW, if this was a memoir it would be riveting because what you shared here rocked me!  Your mother was sad she didn't give birth to sons?

 Oh snap, As you mentioned this took a terrible toll on you and your siblings.    And if I understand correctly, she had your children taken away?    See, this is what I mean about broken people. If your mom is broken - then how does a broken woman raise  children and not break them too? In ways that she may not realize?    I had to realize that about myself - there are certain behaviors that I developed in response to my upbringing.  - My parents were loving parents to me - but they were broken too  and that can't help but spill over into the home.  


I agree - if you let western society have their way, black women aren't even supposed to get pregnant ... We are made to feel ashamed for taking time to have babies in wedlock - and if we choose to be single parents -then...well that's unacceptable.  I wrote a blog post  about Bridget Jones ' Baby - because a black woman could have never starred in that movie, without all of society especially black america having the movie pulled before it aired LOL.... 

I remember when I was carrying my twins - and I had to go on bed rest; My woman Indian doctor, at the time, was reluctant to say mine disability papers lol... Even after the emergency room doctor ordered it.  I found a black woman ob-gyn with quickness  to care for me and deliver my girls.   So yes, I absolutely understand.   You have a very powerful story - I hope you've shared it already - and if you haven't I hope you find your voice. 

 

@Mel Hopkins I really need that hug! Thank you.

You know I still sometimes that I never left that conflict. And you said a lot when you speak about broken parents raising children. That is what brings me so much inner turmoil. I think about the Black women of these past generations, and I am so glad that I was not in their shoes!--But at the same time, what kind of escape do children have when they are in a situation, an environment like that? I find it fascinating though, that you had twins and furious at the conflict you faced...cause I know how that feels when a female, doctor[!] reacts negative ... to a Black mother-to-be! 

Thank you and I hope we collectively find our voice... because I don't believe this system will improve if we, as Black women don't have the proper voice.

 

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46 minutes ago, Mel Hopkins said:

 

@Kalexander2  I blame it on black mothers - who would tell us, " Cry and I'll give you something to cry for".   I wasn't even allowed to cry at my father's funeral.  My mother said, "Don't represent your father that way"  🤣

 

That is hard. May I ask how old were you when this happened? You are right though, I agree. At some point, there needs to be some kind of accountabilty, that was your father. No wonder many Black women don't know how to feel...about our fathers, Black men. Sometimes, adult mothers are so caught into the hardship they deal with, they lose sight of their role, still, as nurturers and they keep the cycle going. For you, you had daughters, so you were put right back in under the role. But for me, I did not have daughters, but, I always think about how to react to young girls especially the ones that my sons interact with. 

 

It scares me to think that I would be as cold to younger Black women or girls in general, in the way I felt my mother treated me.

 

@Pioneer1

@Kalexander2

 

Okay . LOL! Can I ask for a Time out here!!! 

I just want to make a comment to men, and since you both are commenting in this thread, it seems good to direct it to you both:

I feel that as @Mel Hopkins stated, that black mothers should take the blame for bad behavior. And, if Black men care so much about the Black woman being victimized, what about the victims striking at children--the victims? What role should Black men take in this REALITY? Shouls you just stand by and say nothing, do nothing, just feel sorry for the whole group without making any intervention?

 

I feel strongly about this issue here. Shouldn't Black men, fathers do something in this situation? Don't you realize that some Black women are dangerously abusive to the Black child? They strike at the child, and take out their being victimize on the Black child? I feel that Black men should do something too, help out the Black children too, when this kind of abuse is going on. This kind of abuse is incredibly prevalent, I feel, in the Black culture.  

 

 

 

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48 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

May I ask how old were you when this happened?

 

@ChevdoveI was 17 years old when my father died.  I don't know what it is but black women back then modeled those in British monarchy - Those women seem to believe emotional outburst in public is unbecoming.   

Do you remember how Jacqueline  Kennedy, Coretta Scott King, and I think even Ethel Kennedy carried themselves at their husbands' funeral?  When I look back on those archives , it appears as some unwritten rule of conduct.  

I wrote about it in my debut novel "sleeping with a d-man",  I wrote it for my oldest daughter before she left for college.  In fact, my occult novel explores the role of women of African descent from times immemorial to the present.  That's why I have all that research on mtDNA.  (full disclosure - I needed to research it for my book) I wanted my daughters to understand how society relates to black women... which is counter-intuitive to our role as mother of all civilization. 

I was a "star" to my father so he balanced my mother.  When he was gone my heart broke.  He was the symbol of the "savior" I spoke about earlier in this thread. 

Black men and men in general play a huge part in parenting and cohabitation. The father supports the mother while the mother nurtures the children. The father is the physical strength in the family - and it's displayed in imagery as when you see the father help the son or daughter put a star on the christmas tree.   It is such a beautiful symbiotic relationship. 

When the father is absent (emotionally, physically, financially et al)  the mother has no emotional support. It is quite rare to see a mother display the balance necessary to raise an emotional healthy child. For example,   An imbalance of Hypermasculinity and Hyperfeminity come to mind - such as when a woman allows her children to be sexually assaulted while she pretends not to see.  

 

But I digress. 

I was lucky because I had a huge support system for my oldest daughter (I didn't marry her father) and I was married before the twins came along )  Still I had a huge support system with my girls.    

Today, my oldest daughter has a Juris doctorate now and she's not married.  In fact none of my girls are married . They seem to have wonderful social lives balanced with their professions. In fact, my youngest just sent me an instagram of the only female trader on the New York Stock Exchange she's a young black woman, shown here -https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/06/13/lauren-simmons-is-the-only-full-time-female-trader-at-the-nyse.html

I adore my daughters and I think they like me too (smile) They are loving and caring -  So that could be due to their upbringing. my ex- husband believes I should write a book on how I raised, in his words "Three Aces"  but the book is already written because  I knew it  would take a village to raise healthy adults; so I created one :)
 

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38 minutes ago, Mel Hopkins said:

 

@ChevdoveI was 17 years old when my father died.  I don't know what it is but black women back then modeled those in British monarchy - Those women seem to believe emotional outburst in public is unbecoming.   

Do you remember how Jacqueline  Kennedy, Coretta Scott King, and I think even Ethel Kennedy carried themselves at their husbands' funeral?  When I look back on those archives , it appears as some unwritten rule of conduct.  

I wrote about it in my debut novel "sleeping with a d-man",  I wrote it for my oldest daughter before she left for college.  In fact, my occult novel explores the role of women of African descent from times immemorial to the present.  That's why I have all that research on mtDNA.  (full disclosure - I needed to research it for my book) I wanted my daughters to understand how society relates to black women... which is counter-intuitive to our role as mother of all civilization. 

I was a "star" to my father so he balanced my mother.  When he was gone my heart broke.  He was the symbol of the "savior" I spoke about earlier in this thread. 

Black men and men in general play a huge part in parenting and cohabitation. The father supports the mother while the mother nurtures the children. The father is the physical strength in the family - and it's displayed in imagery as when you see the father help the son or daughter put a star on the christmas tree.   It is such a beautiful symbiotic relationship. 

When the father is absent (emotionally, physically, financially et al)  the mother has no emotional support. It is quite rare to see a mother display the balance necessary to raise an emotional healthy child. For example,   An imbalance of Hypermasculinity and Hyperfeminity come to mind - such as when a woman allows her children to be sexually assaulted while she pretends not to see.  

 

But I digress. 

I was lucky because I had a huge support system for my oldest daughter (I didn't marry her father) and I was married before the twins came along )  Still I had a huge support system with my girls.    

Today, my oldest daughter has a Juris doctorate now and she's not married.  In fact none of my girls are married . They seem to have wonderful social lives balanced with their professions. In fact, my youngest just sent me an instagram of the only female trader on the New York Stock Exchange she's a young black woman, shown here -https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/06/13/lauren-simmons-is-the-only-full-time-female-trader-at-the-nyse.html

I adore my daughters and I think they like me too (smile) They are loving and caring -  So that could be due to their upbringing. my ex- husband believes I should write a book on how I raised, in his words "Three Aces"  but the book is already written because  I knew it  would take a village to raise healthy adults; so I created one :)
 

 

WOW now that is amazing! I am so far from where you are in life! You have no idea! 

Your daughter is absolutely incredibly beautiful.  

So I assume you have the twins and an older daughter; that's amazing. I don't know how you did it.

I'm still on a long, long road stretched out ahead of me! My sons are older, yes, but it is crazy difficult...

I don't know why!? They are frustrated sometimes... they complain sometimes and say, "Mom, I'm the ONY ONE, THE ONLY BLACK MALE..."

I don't know what to say, how to help them. 

 

YOu say, your daughters are presently single, are you single now? IF so, do you think they shy away from heterosexual relationships because of

how they view your relationships?

 

For me, I've been married for years and it's been a saga, not becsuse of my relationship to husband, but because it seems most people are in a rage over the 

reality of us being married. We are loathed, but not by my father's people. We get wonderful support from them but they are far away. My father-in-law adored us,

 

And, I guarantee you that you probably know more than me about mtDNA!--LOL even though it was a big chunk of my major. However, my approach on this subject is based on another angle  than your book. However, I welcome your criticism and help for what I would like to share!--since you've already written your book. How exciting! 

Believe it or not, I am researching with hopes of publish a book one day too, but I'm no where close to that point!

 

I would love to get your book!

 

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3 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

Your daughter is absolutely incredibly beautiful.  

 

@Chevdove  No she's not my daughter! My youngest daughter sent me this story  - sorry for the confusion. I wanted to share with you their perspective of the people they admire.  
 

5 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

They are frustrated sometimes... they complain sometimes and say, "Mom, I'm the ONY ONE, THE ONLY BLACK MALE..."

I don't know what to say, how to help them. 

 

But I'm  glad I included the video of  "the only" black woman trader in the last post.   

My daughters are usually "the only one" too - I was the only one too - and you mentioned you too were the only one... It is a difficult path but at the same time you find out who you are by what you choose to tradeoff. 

 

I used to tell my News coworkers " I don't have a phD in negrology (and I got that from quote from the film director  Melvin Van Peebles) but being the only black female news anchor /reporter allowed me to give voice to a perspective that only I could share with the millions of viewers.   When you are the only one YOU MUST remember your goals that brought you there in the first place.   

Journalist extraordinaire  Malcolm Gladwell just did a podcast (Revisionist History) on "the only one"  Sammy Davis Jr...and the part of his humanity he had to give up to be the only one. I tell you I was crying like a baby at the end of the podcast.
 

11 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

YOu say, your daughters are presently single, are you single now? IF so, do you think they shy away from heterosexual relationships because of

how they view your relationships?


Could be.  My daughters date but their focus is on  career and social life. AND they travel a lot.  My middle daughter has a dual degree in psychology and statistics so she is preparing to go to grad school.  The oldest is advancing in her legal career and it takes up a lot of her time. The youngest is focused on building a business (she hasn't said what yet ) lol and she has a steady beau. 

   I don't think they get that from me - though. I tend to be in love with love and in the absence of  a "GOAL MATE" , I'm immersed in my  profession."   

 

20 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

because it seems most people are in a rage over the 

reality of us being married.



WHAT DOES THIS MEAN???  (Ok I'm just being nosey)  but it reads like The Loving V. Virginia Supreme Court Case  😲

 

38 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

And, I guarantee you that you probably know more than me about mtDNA!--LOL even though it was a big chunk of my major

 

@Chevdove  nah, I don't think I do.  You got this.  

I'm a journalist... I read a lot and my copyeditors/factcheckers keep me honest about providing source documents  for what I think I know and write. lol

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20 minutes ago, Mel Hopkins said:

 

@Chevdove  No she's not my daughter! My youngest daughter sent me this story  - sorry for the confusion. I wanted to share with you their perspective of the people they admire.  
 

 

But I'm  glad I included the video of  "the only" black woman trader in the last post.   

My daughters are usually "the only one" too - I was the only one too - and you mentioned you too were the only one... It is a difficult path but at the same time you find out who you are by what you choose to tradeoff. 

 

I used to tell my News coworkers " I don't have a phD in negrology (and I got that from quote from the film director  Melvin Van Peebles) but being the only black female news anchor /reporter allowed me to give voice to a perspective that only I could share with the millions of viewers.   When you are the only one YOU MUST remember your goals that brought you there in the first place.   

Journalist extraordinaire  Malcolm Gladwell just did a podcast (Revisionist History) on "the only one"  Sammy Davis Jr...and the part of his humanity he had to give up to be the only one. I tell you I was crying like a baby at the end of the podcast.
 


Could be.  My daughters date but their focus is on  career and social life. AND they travel a lot.  My middle daughter has a dual degree in psychology and statistics so she is preparing to go to grad school.  The oldest is advancing in her legal career and it takes up a lot of her time. The youngest is focused on building a business (she hasn't said what yet ) lol and she has a steady beau. 

   I don't think they get that from me - though. I tend to be in love with love and in the absence of  a "GOAL MATE" , I'm immersed in my  profession."   

 



WHAT DOES THIS MEAN???  (Ok I'm just being nosey)  but it reads like The Loving V. Virginia Supreme Court Case  😲

 

 

@Chevdove  nah, I don't think I do.  You got this.  

I'm a journalist... I read a lot and my copyeditors/factcheckers keep me honest about providing source documents  for what I think I know and write. lol

 Oh no! I don't! LOL. I am shooting in the dark! LOL. I grew up in the Black Church, and I am very frustrated with the omission of a lot of information. How can you believe in something, based on a book, but you only read a part of the book!?

 

Anyway, your icon is gorgeous and you look like a news reporter! Awesome!!! 

LOL yes, I read about the the Loving story and my rebuke is not on that level because my husband is Black. But it is rough though. This world is filled with 'isms' ... when it comes to a Black woman choosing to be in a relationship. 

 

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Being the only one can also be a powerful position. If you succeed you succeed as an individual but if you fail you feel as a Black person. Although I think you need a few personality traits to make that work. In my case I am contrary and don't feel peer pressure. Plus I can be mentally combative. The other advantage I had was I read a lot and had a good education.

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4 hours ago, Chevdove said:

I grew up in the Black Church, and I am very frustrated with the omission of a lot of information. How can you believe in something, based on a book, but you only read a part of the book!?

 


TRUTH!!!  As I just mentioned in the other thread - I found a lot of missing parts in  hebrew talmud and text called pseudepigrapha (false writings ). It filledin a lot of the blanks especially where women are concerned http://www.pseudepigrapha.com/

 

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9 hours ago, Mel Hopkins said:

I blame it on black mothers - who would tell us, " Cry and I'll give you something to cry for".   I wasn't even allowed to cry at my father's funeral.  My mother said, "Don't represent your father that way"  🤣

 

WOW, I understand what you've written, I really do but I'm going to take a while, I need to separate whether such strong warnings from a Black mother can be construed as 'negative reinforcement;' and it's impact on social development as defined in 'strain theories'.

 

Are you suggesting such advice for a person you trust (like a mother to daughter) makes for rejection of socially defined goals but not the means or, take the ritualist/retreatist route in child development?  I'd think sister Chevdove has gone more towards the 'rebel' side from negative interaction with her mother.  

 

I'm starting wonder if I'm under the spell of 'culture-bound' objectivity!

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