Delano Posted January 28, 2019 Report Share Posted January 28, 2019 How do you tell the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delano Posted January 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2019 https://ed.ted.com/lessons/rethinking-thinking-trevor-maber#review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted January 28, 2019 Report Share Posted January 28, 2019 7 hours ago, Delano said: How do you tell the difference? You can't tell the difference. Perception is reality. Any changes in one's perception must come from external sources, provided one is open to receiving new information Here is the video Del linked to 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevdove Posted January 28, 2019 Report Share Posted January 28, 2019 Yeah, interesting question. I like the parking lot example in the video but still, as @Troy said, I don't think you can tell the difference, at least not right away. For example, if someone is taking advantage of you, it's not easy to be sure that this is true, right away. I think sometimes 'the masses of common people' have been conditioned by the government to NOT believe that things are bad, when in fact, it is bad and by the time we see the truth, then we, the masses, go from being like in a stupor to being aggressive. We've been given a false 'perception' and conditioned or 'dumbed down' to NOT perceive things as being bad and this only makes it worse. So when the reality kicks in that we've been 'had' by the government, they have consistenly been putting out more false perceptions by-and-by so as to ensure that when some of us do come to the REALITY we will be re-routed to attack other sub-groups, while the small group of 'leaders' sit back and continue to have a comfortable lifestyle. This is what I think about regarding this topic. I remember how, the movie, 'the Wizard of Oz' was aired, in color, so as to give the masses the perception that things were good, all the while, people were lined up in bread lines. And board games like Monopoly became used as a ploy to help people perceive that all was well during a time of crisis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delano Posted January 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2019 8 hours ago, Troy said: You can't tell the difference what about object vs subjective reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynique Posted January 28, 2019 Report Share Posted January 28, 2019 Perception is real, whether what you perceive is accurate has to involve a consensus of other witnesses. 9 hours ago, Chevdove said: I remember how, the movie, 'the Wizard of Oz' was aired, in color, so as to give the masses the perception that things were good, all the while, people were lined up in bread lines. And board games like Monopoly became used as a ploy to help people perceive that all was well during a time of crisis. The Wizard of Oz came out in 1939 at the end of The Depression, and it doesn't turn into technicolor until Dorothy wakes up in OZ where the tornado has blown her. The movie starts out in sepia color. I saw the first release of it in 1939 when i was a little girl. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delano Posted January 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2019 28 minutes ago, Cynique said: Perception is real, whether what you perceive is accurate has to involve a consensus of other witnesses. So a magician is really sawing a woman in half. Since that's what the audience sees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynique Posted January 28, 2019 Report Share Posted January 28, 2019 No, a man dresssed as a magician appearing on a stage is performing a trick. If everybody in the audience perceives this, then this is really happening. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delano Posted January 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2019 So is love less real if it isn't perceived by an audience. Except the beloved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 6 hours ago, Delano said: what about object vs subjective reality That is the same as asking, "what about objective perception vs subjective perception." Again, there's no difference; is is the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delano Posted January 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 Troy replied to Delano's topic in Culture, Race & Economy Del for the most part in our daily lives there isobjectivereality. 2 + 2 will always equal 4. People who refuse to accept that 2+2=4 because they believe it could be equal to something else, despite evidence to the contrary are going to have problems dealing withreality. @Troy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 My position has evolved. Everyone's reality is different. For me 2+2=4 is objectively and subjectively true. For you, this may not be the case. If you believed the answer was 3 that is your reality, both objective and subjective From my perspective, the answer of 3 is your subjective reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevdove Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 15 hours ago, Cynique said: The Wizard of Oz came out in 1939 at the end of The Depression, and it doesn't turn into technicolor until Dorothy wakes up in OZ where the tornado has blown her. The movie starts out in sepia color. I saw the first release of it in 1939 when i was a little girl. That's it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 Reality is the object and perception is simply a perspective OF that object. We can't say all perceptions are reality because some perceptions are erroneous and based on a mind that could be impaired by drugs or mental illness. Other misperceptions are based on false or limited information. For millenia many people believed that the Earth was flat. That was THEIR perspective of the Earth based on their limited information, despite the reality being much different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynique Posted January 29, 2019 Report Share Posted January 29, 2019 Reality doesn't have to be an object; it can be an intangible fact that is deduced from mathematics. Perception is an impression that originates in the mind's eye. IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 Pioneer to the people who perceieve the world to be flat how does that effect their objective reality? I dont think it does. Eveything is realtive. Including what we call reality. Even the very passing of time is relative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delano Posted January 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 Therefore, if we really want to observe ourselves and find out what we are, we are really beings of energy and vibration, radiating our own unique energy signature -this is fact and is what quantum physics has shown us time and time again. We are much more than what we perceive ourselves to be, and it’s time we begin to see ourselves in that light. If you observed the composition of an atom with a microscope you would see a small, invisible tornado-like vortex, with a number of infinitely small energy vortices called quarks and photons. These are what make up the structure of the atom. As you focused in closer and closer on the structure of the atom, you would see nothing, you would observe a physical void. The atom has no physical structure, we have no physical structure, physical things really don’t have any physical structure! Atoms are made out of invisible energy, not tangible matter The above is from this page https://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/09/27/this-is-the-world-of-quantum-physics-nothing-is-solid-and-everything-is-energy/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 @Delano that article is the reasin why the internet is like the wild west. People can say and do anything. Quantum physists do not say the the marco world, the one we can see with our eyes, behaves like the quantum world, nor do the say any of it has anything to do with consciousness. People like ones who wrote that article are making things up and misleading people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delano Posted January 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 5 hours ago, Troy said: Quantum physists do not say the the marco world, the one we can see with our eyes, What part of the quote ,implies or makes that statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 Troy Everything is relative, but reality does not and cannot agree with EVERY individual's perception of it. Take the law of gravity for example..... If a man jumps off the Chrysler building it doesn't matter whether or not he perceives it or doubts it's existence. If he doesn't believe in it he is clearly WRONG and the REALITY of gravity will have an effect on him in just a matter of seconds despite his misperception.Del If I were you I wouldn't take Caucasian scientific gibberish too seriously, lol. They put some of this shit out here simply to confound you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Delano said: What part of the quote ,implies or makes that statement? It is in the article you shared, which I assume you read in its entirety. If you did, you would not have needed to ask that question @Pioneer1 again I say it is relative. If you put the building on the moon the result would be different -- even though the "law" has not changed. We can define narrow conditions in which possible outcomes are limited to the point that one simply cannot imagine a different outcome. You call this reality. To the other extreme others have posited an infinite number of universes with different physical constants were the incomprehensible can take place this too is reality, albeit one may may never experience. What is real is what we can perceive -- the example of the mentally disturbed man you provided aside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delano Posted January 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Troy said: It is in the article you shared, which I assume you read in its entirety. If you did, you would not have needed to ask that question No I stopped at the relevant bit for my argument. In the future I will neither ask nor give further clarification from/to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 Why would you not read the entire article @Delano? When ever someone posts something from another source, if it is a subjects that interests me I always go to the original article. If that article referees a source (if it i an article about another article which makes up so much of the stuff on the web nowadays) I'll check out the original source More often than not, I'll discover that the person (and I'm not just talking about you) is sharing something that is actually not supported by the original source. When 45 asserts that "the news is fake," he is wrong the news generated by journalists is pretty good. The problem is that we have so much less of this and much more of what you find circulating around the web and social media: uninformed opinions on opinions or events masquerading as "news." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 Troyagain I say it is relative. If you put the building on the moon the result would be different -- even though the "law" has not changed. I never said it wasn't relative; but relative is just an individuals position with or perception of an established reality. How you RELATE to an object or subject doesn't change the reality of that object or subject. Like you said the law of gravity did not change simply because HE changed environments. It still IS what it is and if he comes back to THIS atmosphere he'll have to face it again. The moon's and Earth's atmospheres are still part of the SAME reality. To the other extreme others have posited an infinite number of universes with different physical constants were the incomprehensible can take place this too is reality, albeit one may may never experience. You said others have POSITED...and that's a key word. This is the multi-verse theory, but has it been proven? We can sit here and entertain theories all day long, but certain laws of THIS reality are constant and they rarely if ever change regardless as to how you relate to them or what your perspective of them are. What is real is what we can perceive -- the example of the mentally disturbed man you provided aside. Are you suggesting that a person who doesn't perceive that they are sick can not have a disease simply because they haven't acknowledged it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Are you suggesting that a person who doesn't perceive that they are sick can not have a disease simply because they haven't acknowledged it? Lets not convolute things any further with mental illness. I don't think the multiverse theory can ever be proven. 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I never said it wasn't relative; but relative is just an individuals position with or perception of an established reality. Well that is basically my point man. an individuals perception is "their" relativity. The perception IS their reality. In addition there is no objective reality. You speak about gravity, but like the multiverse it too is a theory and it is very likely to change. People used to believe Newton's laws which implied and invisible force between objects, that was later rejected in favor of a warping of space, but our current understand of gravity fails at the quantum level and does not explain the accelerating expansion of the universe. So you are using gravity to prove an objective reality, when we really don't have a clue what 95% of the observable universe if made of. Gravity as you understand it Pioneer may not be "reality," but a story we tell ourselves to make sense of the universe. Future generation will wonder how we believed such a thing in much the same way some believed the world was flat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 Troy Lets not convolute things any further with mental illness. Ofcourse not....lol. Why introduce factors that support what I'm saying while disproving your assertions? Because experts have agreed that severe mental illness DISTORTS a person's perceptions to the point that their beliefs about reality are clearly false; if follows that reality CAN NOT simply be basd on each individual's perception of it. If it were, the concept of someone being mental illness wouldn't exist because they would just be in alignment with their own reality. I don't think the multiverse theory can ever be proven. If it is true (and I believe it is), I think it could atleast be proven on an INDIVUAL basis by each individual verifying the existence of other universes for themselves. Well that is basically my point man. an individuals perception is "their" relativity. The perception IS their reality. No no no....it's their relativity but NOT "their" reality. That reality is not theirs exclusively but is shared. They....we...are in the SAME reality but with different perceptions of it based on our relativity to it. So you are using gravity to prove an objective reality, when we really don't have a clue what 95% of the observable universe if made of. Unless or until you can PROVE that whatever that 95% consists of actually CHANGES the reality and function of gravity....it's a moot point. You are using too much speculation to defend your position that reality is subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Why introduce factors that support what I'm saying while disproving your assertions? If that is the case what is stopping you from saying any old crazy thing just to make a point... ah nevermind in your case their nothing stopping you LOL! 6 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: No no no....it's their relativity but NOT "their" reality. What? Are you confusing reality with relative LOL! We agree that perceptions are different. I'm saying perceptions are reality. Therefore reality is relative to the perceive. What you believe is a objective relativity is just your perception. You are just egotistical enough to believe it THE only reality and that everyone else is delusional (or mentally ill). 10 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Unless or until you can PROVE that whatever that 95% consists of actually CHANGES the reality and function of gravity. That is just the point no one can "prove" it. They just know our understanding of gravity does not explain it. This is true for the quantum world too. Man if it were not for books you'd be running looking for a virgin to sacrifice to placate the Gods who have brought cold weather to your area. What do you know really know about reality? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 TroyIf that is the case what is stopping you from saying any old crazy thing just to make a point... ah nevermind in your case their nothing stopping you LOL! Regardless as to how crazy it sounds, if it supports my point and you can't dispute it.....then it's valid. Do you disagree with all of the psychiatrist and psychologists who say that mental illness is a DISTORTED perception of reality and now make the claim instead that schizophrenics are not sick but simply live in another world with another reality? We agree that perceptions are different. I'm saying perceptions are reality. What you believe is a objective relativity is just your perception. Again, PERCEPTION is not the same as REALITY. It's an INTERPRETATION of reality based on one's physical senses and intellect....or lack there of. Again, another example............ If I place a rock infront of you while you're walking, that rock IS infront of you whether you SEE it (perceive it) or not. Just because you don't perceive that rock it doesn't mean it's not there nor does it mean you won't stumble over it if you aren't careful. You, me, and the rock are all in the SAME reality despite YOUR perspective or lack there of. They just know our understanding of gravity does not explain it. OK? Different understandings or even LACK OF ANY understanding of gravity doesn't change the laws of gravity or the fact that it exists. It just means that the original understandings may have been wrong. Reality doesn't change UNLESS a new factor is introduced. But a change in PERCEPTION of that same reality would allow you to see it from a different perspective and thus gain knowledge and insight of that which already existed. The bottom line is, perception isn't YOUR reality....it's simply YOUR perception OF reality. Outside of the multiverse theory....reality itself is CENTRAL and various perspectives and perceptions revolve around it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynique Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 Pioneer's belief that he is right, is a perception. His inability to convince me he is right, is reality. 11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: The bottom line is, perception isn't YOUR reality....it's simply YOUR perception OF reality. Outside of the multiverse theory....reality itself is CENTRAL and various perspectives and perceptions revolve around it. This is the bottom line. Since you haven't proved that multi-universes don't exist, your conclusions are meaningless. And, puleeze. If it's your perception of reality, it is your reality. There's no difference between the two. In reality, i agree with Troy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 11 hours ago, Cynique said: This is the bottom line. Since you haven't proved that multi-universes don't exist, your conclusions are meaningless. And, puleeze. If it's your perception of reality, it is your reality. So if a person has a tumor but they don't perceive it......is that tumor not part of their reality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 That's right @Pioneer1. If one can't perceive something, and has not learned of it in any other way, that is the very definition of what makes it part of one's reality. It is really quite a simple concept; I'm not sure why you are struggling with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 12 minutes ago, Troy said: That's right @Pioneer1. If one can't perceive something, and has not learned of it in any other way, that is the very definition of what makes it part of one's reality. It is really quite a simple concept; I'm not sure why you are struggling with it. When you say "that's right".....are you saying that if a person has a tumor but doesn't perceive it then it's NOT part of their reality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 Perhaps you're confusing reality with AWARENESS. Just because something isn't part of a person's awareness, doesn't mean it's not a part of their reality. They just aren't aware of it because they don't perceive it. A person can be sick and not know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynique Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 If a person is not aware of his tumor, then how can he perceive it. Perception is a part of the equation under discussion. you are mixing apples with oranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 Well, let's go to the Oxford Dictionary........... Quote REALITY The state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them. https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynique Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 the tumor is reality, it is not his reality until he realizes he has it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Well, let's go to the Oxford Dictionary..... See there you go again running to the white man book LOL for validation! 3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: The state of things as they actually exist As Cynque says you are mixing apples with oranges and resorting to you old tactic of moving change your argument. You started with gravity and when I explain that gravity is not reality but a story well tell ourselves until we learn more. Now you are on to a tumors -- what else is next? Dude what do you know about what actually exists or real -- other than what someone else has told you? You decide what is real and was is false. We all do it. I tell you the dress is blue and you swear it is gold. Some believe the end of the world is upon us and others think that is utter nonsense. One Dr. says it is a malignant tumor and another Dr. say it is a benign mass. What is the reality? Flip a coin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 Lurkers: I know..... But I'm not expecting concession, or even agreement. At this point, it's just entertainment.....lol. Cyniquethe tumor is reality, it is not his reality until he realizes he has it. If the tumor is reality, then WHOSE reality is it before he realizes it?Troy See there you go again running to the white man book LOL for validation! Well hell, the White man INVENTED the word "reality" so ofcourse I'll go to his dictionary to find out the definition! Now if we discuss a word YOU or another Black man invented, then we'll go to the Black man's dictionary ....lol. Dude what do you know about what actually exists or real -- other than what someone else has told you? You decide what is real and was is false. We all do it. I tell you the dress is blue and you swear it is gold. OK. Then will you finally agree with me that RACE is real and exists even if it's not a part of your personal reality? Something tells me that you don't take this same attitude about the fluidity of reality when it comes to your personal finances, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynique Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: If the tumor is reality, then WHOSE reality is it before he realizes it? Perception is an individual's subjective view of reality. Nobody possesses reality. It belongs to itself. A person's perception of reality belongs to him. If this perception coincides with reality, then the perception that is his, becomes reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 CyniquePerception is an individual's subjective view of reality. Agreed. Which is why I said a few days ago "perception is not the same as reality. It's an INTERPRETATION of reality"Nobody possesses reality. It belongs to itself. A person's perception of reality belongs to him. Again, I agree and I've been saying THIS all through out this thread; however both YOU and TROY have been preaching the opposite! Infact, you just said: "If it's your perception of reality, it is your reality." and "it is not his reality until he realizes he has it." If no one possesses reality, then why are you using possessive pronounce like YOUR and HIS to describe it? It cannot belong to itself AND be "yours" and "his" at the same time. You're contradicting yourself. If this perception coincides with reality, then the perception that is his, becomes reality Well...... As much as you and Troy claim to agree with eachother this statement disagrees with Troy's position....being that perception IS reality (according to his reasoning there is no need to determine "if" perception coincides with reality because both are the same). But I'm not going to drill you on Troy's beliefs; you have enough contradictions of your own and answer for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Cynique said: Perception is an individual's subjective view of reality. Full stop. 12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Then will you finally agree with me that RACE is real No! Gravity, tumors and now race, where will it end? Pioneer race is also a story we tell ourselves. In my reality (one shared with most informed, thinking people) there is only one race. In your version of the world, there are multiple races -- despite the fact that view is not supported by the current science, it is one you've adopted -- it is YOUR reality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delano Posted February 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 What is the definition of a racist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynique Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 17 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: If no one possesses reality, then why are you using possessive pronounce like YOUR and HIS to describe it? It cannot belong to itself AND be "yours" and "his" at the same time. You're contradicting yourself. To claim or designate reality as yours or his is not to possess it. If what is claimed or designated as "his" or "yours" is indeed reality, that does't mean that they possess that reality. Their perceptions have simply been verified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 Troy Man how in the WORLD (this world or any other world....lol) can you sit there and say "full stop" to Cynique's statement that perception is a person's subjective VIEW OF reality.....when all day long you've been preaching that perception IS reality? In the 1st page you said: "You can't tell the difference. Perception is reality. Any changes in one's perception must come from external sources, provided one is open to receiving new information " ttps://aalbc.com/tc/topic/5680-reality-vs-perception/ How do you reconcile these two opposing positions? Either perceptions IS reality or it's a VIEW OF reality, which one will it be? In my reality (one shared with most informed, thinking people) there is only one race. In your version of the world, there are multiple races -- despite the fact that view is not supported by the current science, it is one you've adopted -- it is YOUR reality. Well if multiple races are part of MY reality, then how can you say "no" to my question? Multiple races ARE real according YOUR OWN theory of reality being own's perspective! CyniqueTo claim or designate reality as yours or his is not to possess it. I agree that claiming reality as "yours" or "his" doesn't mean you posses it, because it's my position that the individual actually doesn't actually possess reality but that it stands independent of them. But "yours" and "his" are indeed possessive words that imply this very idea. It's like saying "your truth" instead of "the truth". Lol, if you asked for the truth and someone gave you "their truth" how much trust would you put in it? If what is claimed or designated as "his" or "yours" is indeed reality, that does't mean that they possess that reality. Their perceptions have simply been verified. To say that their perceptions have been VERIFIED suggests that some perceptions could be inaccurate, not true, not real. Is that correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 @Pioneer1 because you are confusing my reality with your reality. You also believe that YOUR reality is the ONLY reality. Reality is relative. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Troy said: @Pioneer1 because you are confusing my reality with your reality. You also believe that YOUR reality is the ONLY reality. Reality is relative. You said perspective is reality. So if multiple races are real in MY reality (as you claim) then multiple races ARE REAL....no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 Yes, multiple races exist in your reality @Pioneer1, so it is real to you and many others. However that reality is not shared by more knowledgeable people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 Troy So we can push all this talk about "more knowledgeable" and "smarter" and "better looking" people to the side for now...... But if it exists in a person's reality....according to you it exists; so you now basically AGREE with me and others that there ARE multiple races. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynique Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: To say that their perceptions have been VERIFIED suggests that some perceptions could be inaccurate, not true, not real. Is that correct? That's been established but it doesn't affect reality. My final conclusion on this subject is what, as much of a cliche as it is, always applies. As far as reality goes, "it is what it is." BTW, not all pronouns are "possessive", there are other parts of speech known as "adjective pronouns" which modify nouns for clarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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