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Listening is the easy part of the conversation. The intake/input is stimulating. Once someone belabors a point then the conversation is a wrap. I know then the person isn't convinced of her/his own ramblings.

LOL! I'm going to look for the oldest record I have relating to this topic and see if I can find it through google today.

Yeess!!! I also have information on my computer that I can no longer find ANYWHERE. It's frightening!

@Mel Hopkins. Yes Mel. I scroll straight down in Wikipedia to the sources and go through them before taking the final word of what is written. That is why although I don't care for it, it is an ok first step to help me on my journey to finding facts and primary sources of information. They usually provide the primary sources up front.

@Troy Wikipedia is a resource that contains primary and secondary source information. There is no need to dismiss Wikipedia when you can actually challenge and update information. Besides, if it doesn't come directly from personal experience everything is to be attributed as "reported by /referenced" ... And who writes a dissertation and cites Wikipedia, anyway? That's not what it's for...it's a collaborative work that is neither conclusive nor definitive. Anyway, Shirley Chisholm's page contains 71 reference sources - so unless you dispute all those references then Chisholm's Wikipedia page is a good source. Oh, and signed a veteran journalist who wasn't even allowed to use the newspaper as a source when researching and reporting

Donations to poor Black kids is all marketing. Do you really believe Disney actually cares about poor Black people -- beyond the ability to separate them from their money? As Cynique said the deduction reduces their tax liability. What we don't know is how Disney is spending the remaining 99.9% of the profits from he film. Maybe that would give you some perspective.

@DelTax write-offs in the form of Charity from white people, money that will probably line the pockets of opportunistic black people. i'm more impressed with "Get Out" inspiring college courses on racism.

Apparently Black Panther is evolving into something akin to an ink blot replica, something which everyone sees what they want to see in it. All of the intellectualizing and deconstructing are superfluous to me. How blatant can it be that it's a movie which millions of black people find palatable on many levels because it was something they had long been salivating for. The true taste-test is what concrete positive results will be left in its wake. Granted, it is headed for "legendary" status, but Michael Jordan is a "legend", a billionaire who makes his money off of black people purchasing his exorbitantly-priced gym shoes.

@Delano. Okay, brother. Please enthrall us all with your newly found ENLIGHTENMENT. Did the film make you a better Black man, disclose information about something you didn’t know before, did it change your mind about anything, what are you inspired to do next?

@Kalexander2Well, once again, i find your capacity for not being offended by criticism a plus. You do bring a different vibe to this board, and nobody really has to justify why they say what they feel. We are all entitled to hold the opinions we do just as long as we recognize them as opinions. So stick around, babe. I am admittedly a nit-picker, and an unabashed bitch. That said, the word you wanted to use, should've been "conceited" instead of "conceded" in one of your previous posts; something a "journalist" with a college degree should know.

It seems the talking bit is easier for some.

@Cynique, Yes, saw that. I’ve always been under the impression “The Greater Chicagoland” included, Maywood, Evanston, Lisle, and everything up to the farms to the West and North. Guess I was mistaken. Long-winded: I write the way I feel, mostly for only myself too. Not to be considered as wisdom, I’m not that conceded, I hope! I simply share how I feel, about whatever I’m presented with. Its rare one gets to challenge her/his self freely on so many profound ideas and topics. Besides, this is the only Black site that hasn't kicked me out. Yet!

@Delano It means that I'm a purist when it comes to source material or at least when I was reporting for public record. At that time I couldn't even use the newspaper as a source. I could only use primary sources to write the story for publication. So, don't get it twisted when I stick up for Wikipedia but I recognize it's a good reference starting point. @zajiI agree and that's what makes me feel bad for not participating in the editing. But I do have adobe's convert this webpage into a pdf and before that I used to copy & paste and I have files that no longer exist on the web - which is a bit scary to me too!

@Mel Hopkins I have an account as well. LOL. But have never done a thing with it. I think my fear is it turning into some sort of Orwellian machine where they begin to change history/knowledge without people realizing it. Even primary sources can be rewritten, erased. Happens all the time. Look at history books? They are always trying to change history. Look at our ancient knowledge? Much of it, gone, erased.

Yes! And I even have an account to edit entries ( @Troy does too ) but I just don't have time to fight with those others nerds...

Yes, and what you describe is the crux of the problem. If I'm looking for something a factoid and the like Google serves up wikipedia making the the default source of information -- often right in the search engine results page. If is not worth my effort to dig deeper. The kind of thing one had to do when we were forced to go to the library to research a topic. At any rate, you are the choir, hopefully the message will make an impact on other readers here.

@Pioneer1, I don't have an issue with the definitions, but anyone can copy and paste something from Wikipedia, that does not mean they understand what they've copied. Now you freely admit that you have no clue how the builders of the Pyramids acquired the knowledge to construct. Given you lack of knowledge on the subject how can you be so positive how they were not constructed? (@Delano is this the reasoning that you are defending?) It is interesting that you mentioned experimenting as a possibility. You said you understood the scientific method. If you do then you'd also know that experimentation is part of that process. Now I'm not saying the process was called "science" 5 thousand years ago, but likely the practice was the same -- and certainly more plausible than anything else you come up with.

Just an example of the presumptuousness that i find insufferable. i wouldn't have pioneer if he was a 35 year-old hunk because his personality is a turn-off for me. He tries to pass himself off as a macho playa but he's probably an unattractive loser whose faithful companion is actually a blow-up doll he keeps stashed away in the closet of his lonely abode.

Gravity is like the reverse of wind. The movement of air creates wind. The movement of a solid creates gravity

Actually I am not taking the side of any individual only individual comments. And a side is more akin to a position as opposed to a point. And a point infers a stand alone position, whereas as sides are more far reaching. Although I am discussing this from a more geometrical vantage, the analogy is sound or holds water.

@Cynique, Perhaps he has one of those schoolboy crushes on you, it'll wear off. I wouldn't blame him, though, your image does warrants attraction, not of fatal kind. Please don't harm him! @Pioneer1, stop it, man! Your "strong defense mechanism' isn't so much a skill as it is a replacement for the burden of rejection.

Wind always fascinated me. You feel it, hear it and watch how it affects things, but it is invisible.

Cynique I don't take sides . If an argument is poignant I am going to say it's on the nose. That's one for the writers and the thinkers

@Delano, WONDERFUL, now I'm officially a POW and hereby invoke the Geneva Convention, Just, please don't trade me and send me back to the God forsaken USA.

K2 ,it's all good it's a wrap.

@Delano OK, ok stop jocking Pioneer I'll try different approach. @Pioneer1 how did the people who built the pyramids acquire the knowledge they needed to construct these architectural marvels?

Pioneer has strong points.

Troy It being "Western" is a given.....because it was the West that invented it and brought it to the rest of the world. It didn't come from China, or Nigeria, or Arabia, or any Native America culture. But more importantly none of you definitions describe how science is practiced, which is what you don't seem to know. Look up the "scientific method." I already KNOW what the scientific method is. It's what I've been telling you, science is MORE than mere knowledge and information...it's a systematic and methodical way of collecting and organizing data. The knowledge of the ancient cultures who constructed the pyramids, built the ancient cities of the America, build the statues on Easter Island....even the giant Islamic, Persian, Ethiopian, and Chinese civilizations of the past with all of their medicine and architecture didn't use "science" to do it but their own methods of systematically arranging knowledge. I'm not arguing the validity or invalidity of science, I'm arguing that it is NOT the same as simple "knowledge" or even technology. For example, part of official science is RECORDING the observations of your experiments. If you don't record the environmental conditions for what you're doing it's not an official scientific experiment and any information from it wouldn't be officially accepted as science. But we know that much of the techonology of the past came from people who probably couldn't even read or write, let alone "record" anything they were doing while inventing.

@Pioneer1 "African word for Daddy" Surely you did not mean write than did you? As far as blindly following white folks, you know white folks invented Black Panther and he world of Wakanda right? @Delano, remember I said I enjoyed the film (wait, have you seen it yet). Again my point is that you and many other Black folks have canonized he film. I call it dumb to counterbalance the exaltation of the film While I think Star Wars, at least the last 4 or 5 installments were pretty bad. The Black Panther movie is superior in my book to the entire Star Wars franchise -- put together. Well maybe not the first one which was a groundbreaking film. I would not put Black Panther in the same category with the first Matrix flick, which was a simply brilliant film. If there is a college course dedicated to this one film it would be a waste of money, for there was nothing ground breaking or original in the film to study, but it would not surprise me if one is created. 45 created a "university."

@Troy Pioneer doesn't need to know science or the scientific method to discuss science. Since he is stating his opinion not scientific fact. Indeed most discussions here involve non expert opinions. And while you are the resident engineer Pioneer need not accept that as validation of your opinion. Unless you are making a distinction between when you are putting forth an opinion or currently accepted scientific facts. If your argument is convincing on its on merits without resorting to science that leaves and impression on me. That's what Jesus did in the bible. @Pioneer1

I was looking for the "Western" qualifier you keep throwing around. Do any of your definitions use that word? But more importantly none of you definitions describe how science is practiced, which is what you don't seem to know. Look up the "scientific method."

@Pioneer1 where, pray tell, did you get this definition: "Science is a Western method of collecting and organizing information?" We can't have a reasonable conversation on this subject if this is the basis of your understanding of science. @Delano there are some pretty remarkable structures from antiquity a in the Americas as well.

K2 Syntax, I know. The way I arrange my words are deliberate, I think. Or, arrangement by way of the languages I'm learning speak (Arabic and Hebrew) or perhaps I don't care. Yes. It sounds like you're using English words with a foreign syntax or cadence Your posts read like how Arnold Swartznagger sounds....lol. I know you said you don't live here anymore but did you grow up in the United States?

Troy LIke when KIllmonger murdered the character played by Forest Whitaker? No, but like how both Kill Monger and Tachalla having love and respect for their fathers and actually went to the other realm to seek their advice and wisdom. When was the last film out of Hollywood that showed Black males having this type of love and positive relationship with their fathers? Without looking name 3 "African" cultures that used female warriors I can name you several right off the bat but if you don't want me to actually look I'm almost SURE to get the names wrong. 1. Queen N'zinga of Angola who led a group of warriors male and female against European colonialists. 2. Queen Asantewaa of the Ashanti nation who led female warriors. 3. The Dahomey nation had an entire brigade of female warriors. And there were many other examples of African societies PRE-COLONIAL who had female brigades along to go along with the males. And here in the Americas there were entire regiments of female soldiers in Haiti who helped defeat Napoleon's military during the Haitian Revolution. It's not about men dominating over women or women dominating over men. The African way is about BALANCE...male and females in their proper roles. 　 Man name one culture on earth that odes not have some variation of this concept The culture you're living in....the United States. This culture is not only secular, but in many circles it's down right atheist. Where in America do people routinely and casually talk about traveling to other realms where there ancestors are? Neither do they talk about it in Russia, Poland, France, Germany, ect....... What?! nobody had a "natural" hair style in this film. Substituting a straight blond wig for a another wig one is not "natural." I didn't say have A NATURAL (as in the Afro) I said there hair WAS NATURAL....meaning it wasn't dyed blonde nor was it processed to be straight. Del However the movie is historical both economically and culturally. Or shows Blacks as more advanced and autonomous. If that creates hope pride and action. Then it was worth the price of admission Excellent observation! Infact, I believe it crossed the 1 billion dollar line this weekend and is Marvel's highest grossing film! Not only do I see sequels....I can easily see a few television series coming from this project. MOVE OVER "GAME OF THRONES"....LOL.

So why do we care? i am not preoccupied with things over which i have no control.

One person's wall is another's window.

People who have knowledge of this common advice and don't use it, apparently don't feel the need to comply with it. Not every body is a mamby-pamby bland person who prefers to go along to get along, especially when the views of another person beg to be challenged.

So what else is new?

@Cynique. Opp. I did aim for the spot and the comment was not directed at you personally. Unball your fists, now! Truth is everyone should discover narcissism to better understand themselves. We are all anarchists, some more extreme than others. Just another example our human self that's gone unchanged since before the written word. My point to my personal pessimism about humanity and the human condition.