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Troy you can't assume the average person is going to see things as clearly as you. Case in point Donald Trump becoming President. Also his approval rating has crashed. Although I don't know where it is now.

@Chevdove I ditto that. Please don't edit youself cause two old fuddie duddies don't share your sense of humor. @Pioneer1 i always said the culture wants to feminize men. The more you can get men in the salons buying products and the stores buying trendy fashions, getting piercings and fancy hairstyles and their tie nails painted the more money you can make of them. The ideal of what is feminine is a white man's construct. This ideal is the one that you embrace @Pioneer1. Things changed substantially for white women as they gained more rights. Black wpmen benfited too but were never really considered the feminine idea... by the larger society.... but that what Black men are here for 😉

　 Mel Well hello. Good to hear from you again! You speak of Black Supremacy being as hateful as White Supremacy. I'm going to have to be the judge of that one.....so SHOW ME somewhere where Black folks are in a position to be supremacist, lol. You don't have take me there, just tell me where it is! Or send me a map on how to get there and when I go and see this "Black Supremacy" in action (because living in Western society we KNOW what White supremacy looks like) for myself THEN I will be educated enough to make an intelligent decision as to whether or not it's as bad as what Caucasians have established. I'm all for considering alternative theories but if they are not meant to help us evolve then what? For example, if coronavirus is engineered/modified. - SO WHAT? Because if it is, then perhaps the guidelines that you're being told will keep you safe MAY infact be useless or even down right dangerous! ((make your own masks out of handkerchiefs and kleenex???)) Perhaps you WOULD have done C while you were running around doing B had you only known the truth. Troy Speaking of that, @Pioneer1 what do you think about my theory that Kareem was a troll. You know the kind you find on Facebook formorting controversy and descent. I mean think about it, if you listened to Kareem you would have nothing but hatred and contempt for the United States. Think about some of the things he wrote about stockpiling weapons and going out in a blaze of glory... Man! Your last line was interesting as hell because I just mentioned that very same thing in a response to you and Chev on another thread!!!! But I can't say whether or not the brother was a troll. I'm in no position to know him or his intentions outside of the limited information what he posted. But when people asked about the use of violence, it was said that the Honorable Elijah Muhammad said it wasn't wise to SAY before one had the ability to DO. Look, you'd be a fool to completely trust our system, but Kareem had zero trust. If I take him at his word (i.e. not a troll) some of his beliefs were simply irrational. If you believe Black people are immune to the virus, you are irrational, because you'd have to deny the fact that Black people are dying everyday from the virus. Well, he said he was a Paralegal so apparently he had SOME trust of it because he worked with and within the very legal system.....lol. But I cautioned him and others in real life about saying "this" doesn't affect Black folks or "that" doesn't affect Black folks because for one thing it IS affecting Black folks in terms of health AND economics AND you never know what type of action you may be inviting. I remember back in the 80s and 90s a lot of Black men were bragging about how nice and big and round the Black woman's butt is and how flat the White woman's but was. Even singing about it and putting it in rap songs. White men didn't say shit, they just went up into the laboratory and worked on some chemicals and the next thing you know 20 years later every other White woman you see from 17 to 70 has a big fat shapely ass wagging behind her...lol. One of the Black man's greatest weaknesses is arrogance and the tendency to brag and this often invites unwanted consequences.

Troy It is why i don't find Madea film very funny. If you've seen on you've seen them all. But i get why owople find this stuff funny, so I dont try to kill anyone's "buzz." Not only don't I find the Madea character funny, I find it down right offensive. Just another attempt to "masculinize" the image of AfroAmerican women and make them look less lady-like. This masculinization of AfroAmerican women ain't new. I believe Sojourner Truth during a speech showed the audience her titties and said, "Ain't I a woman too?" in response to the way so many sisters were mistreated in those days. People wonder why a Caucasian police officer pulls over a Black woman and beats her or kills her but perhaps he had the character of a loud, angry, masculine brutish Black woman in his head from those Madea flicks and others like them. It used to be an insult among children to say "your mother wears combat boots" because of what it implied. When it became acceptable and even desirable for so many older Black women to be portrayed as "stong" and "mannish" I'm not sure. On a lighter note, I actually DO have a level of respect for our brother Tyler Perry for his business skills and charitable work. So I give credit to where credit is due. 　 Chev So therefore, I won't post anything like this anymore. Lol....... My comments weren't meant to be a reprimand, they were just my opinions. I'm actually GLAD you started this thread and posted those videos because it opened up a conversation about things I wanted to express! As far as Eddie Murphy and Martin....... It's one thing to put on a dress and act like a woman (FOR ACTING ONLY) once or twice in one's career, but it's an entirely different thing to make a CULTURE out of it like Tyler Perry did. When you know Hollywood has a history of attempting to demasculinize and even dehumanize you, how much money could they pay you to sell your soul like that? 　 Walkman Your dislike of Black buffoonery and coonery has less to do with age and more to do with common sense and a sense of self respect that a person SHOULD have at any age. I found shit like that offensive even in my 20s. I remember going into barbershops and laundry mats where Jenny Jones and Jerry Springer were on television and I'd request them to turn the channel to more respectable programming. Most people with basic common sense would find attempts to criminalize and dehumanize them offensive but then again, many of our people don't have a lot of sense so perhaps they don't know when they're being insulted.

Lol....ASK and ye shall receive. Can a brutha get a drum-roll for his long awaited "official" statement on the Kareem situation? Look, whether or not Kareem is/was indeed a troll is not for me to say because I'm in no position to know for sure, however I WILL say this... Talking about being heavily armed and going out in blazes of glory not ony makes you a potential target but draws attention to whatever platform (organization, family, website, religion, ect.....) you express yourself in. And to a lesser degree even promoting certain conspiracies (whether they're true or false) will also draw attention to you AND the site you're on and that attention may not necessarily be from the people you want it from! Also, if you want to post something reckless you must understand that even after you've gone on, the problems your carelessness has caused remains for others to deal with. As I've gotten older I've learned that even if YOU don't give a damn about the consequences, it's always wise to be considerate of those around you and what THEY may have to endure after you're long gone. Also, we have to be careful about the term "troll" because it means too many things for too many people. For some, a "troll" is just someone who gets a kick out of annoying other people and will purposely say inflammatory things to get a reaction. For others, a "troll" is an agent sent into a community to purposely spread misinformation or post illegal information for the purposes of getting a site flagged and possibly in trouble. But in my opinion these type of individuals aren't "trolls" but AGENTS and should be refered to or atleast seen as such. Again, not pinning EITHER definition on Kareem because as far as I'm concerned he's a brother with strong opinion as far as I KNOW.....but since the subject came up I'm speaking on the issue in general.

@Pioneer1 I never left! I decided it was wiser to spend my time on other areas on this website, where I could help and also learn what others are doing in the book world. I don't argue with supremacist folks of any shade and for a while this forum (culture, race and economy) was traveling that path. Calling people coons, uncle toms, ni--ers, colonizers, crackers, (dang there are'nt many derogatory names for Angles that don't include them being in a superior position over black folks, is there? LOL but I digress)- because of their differing life perspective doesn't help any of us. Black Supremacy is as hateful as white supremacy. Hate and fear are way too draining, divisive and mentally harmful. If we couple that with Alex Jones-type alternative theories especially the unsolvable theories then we're all doomed. I'm all for considering alternative theories but if they are not meant to help us evolve then what? For example, if coronavirus is engineered/modified. - SO WHAT? A lot of viruses are engineered/modified for health reasons - such as gene therapy. For years domestic animals such as cats and dogs have been vaccinated against the coronavirus . Are we talking about that modified virus? Anyway, if we're going to talk about solutions then I'm all in...but just talking about what somebody is allegedly doing to us - makes us victims...and I ain't got time to talk about reinforcing my victimization.

Troy and Chevdove after Kareem storms out................. Lol.