@Pioneer1
First, Cynique's assertion is false as you never know until the critical moment. I can look back on history and tell you what white people have done, but assuming if the phenotypes are reversed will lead to a mirror history is just that, assumption and unwarranted.
I concur that various groups in various races are different.
Women are not men in the gender race.
Blacks are not whites in the phenotypical race.
Asians are not Europeans in the geographic race.
But I don't say this based on genetics. I say this based on heritage, an underrated word or concept. People love to talk of culture, what is grown from today. The unknown of the future allows people to be positive. But people don't like to speak of the complexities, the communal complexities of heritage, what we carry from yesterday. Especially as in modern humanity, most yesterdays are near complete to negativity for most.
In my view, the variance between whites or blacks in the usa, notice my geographic focus, comes from the variant relationships to the place.
Why are white people in the usa? They are here for their betterment regardless of others. The white people of europe that freely came on those boats to the native american lands were not thinking of multiculturalism or multiracial or peace on earth or rule of the people or rule of the king, they were thinking, how can I make life better for me , no matter what I have to do.
Why are black people in the usa? They haven't figured out how to leave. The Black people of africa that was forced to come in those boats to the native american lands were no thinking of multiulturalism or multiracial or peace on earth or rule of the people or rule of the obas, they were thinking, how can I go home, no matter what I have to do.
These two heritages in my eyes is the true source of the variance between blacks side whites in their relationship to the usa.
HEritage isn't weak, it isn't as solid as a genetic sequence but I argue heritage can survive for a long time. Because heritage at its core is related from parent to child.
So, in my view, I don't think you or Cynique or correct, cause either of you assuming is just that, an assumption. You don't know and while assuming about an individual is at least challenging at most impossible, assuming about a community, a collection of human beings, is at least impossible, at most folly.
I use James Baldwin for my point. He said his father hated whites, and yet, his father never attacked whites. His father prayed in church for white people's damnation in a heaven where only black people exist.
DO you see? James Baldwin's father like most black people in the british colonies or the usa from it want one thing, to leave. Death is a form of leaving .White people's heritage is to thrive in the usa regardless of how. Black DOSers heritage is to desire to leave the usa, even if we can't.
But, with modern immigration the usa has added many others who have muddled the racial situation even more.
And that is why I asked,
The point is to admit what you want, whatever it is. The problem is less about who will do what in power in the usa, but the damage so many of the powerless in lying about what they desire if in power, no matter what it is. This goes back to Frederick Douglass. He publicly said he opposed leaving the usa, having black states in the union, warring with whites. Frederick douglass at least publicly stated what he wanted. That is why the black masses booed his speech as most black people didn't want what he wanted. But, Black people today in the usa, tend to curl around what they want, whatever it is, and emit lies.
@ProfD I don't know what black people in the usa will do if in power. I don't like to assume that. No one knows.
I think the black populace in the usa today in itself has many various desires on how to relate to the usa and tend to undercut each other cause many of these paths don't mix. Most black people in the usa want betterment for black people, but most black people in the usa seem unable to handle how to be a community of people going different paths. Most Black individuals in the usa can accept the entire village doing what said person thinks the whole village should do or individualism en mass. But Few Black individuals in the usa can accept the truth, we are a community of tribes who want various things. Is it fair? no. Is it lucky? no. But it is the truth. And the heritage of christian preaching has made it difficult for many black people to accept that truth.
@Troy
good one, yes, historically, not currently:) Yes, the CBCU's need to be repurposed. I concur. I think the black community en masse has become disconnected to them for them to be considered so vital to the black community en masse. But of course, the problem is the black one percent who use the CBCU's for their communal efforts. Like black churches, the CBCU's in modernity are about a specific tribe in the village, not the whole village.
I oppose one thing you say.
That is a lie troy, what you call racism is bias, not racism. Racism at its heart has no bias. Comprehend, the use of genus/species is a form of racism. You really have to learn, and I am not preaching but I do think people in general need to learn to the use word bias properly. Racism is not bias. LAst names, family names, is racist. The whole point of clan names is to have a symbol of orientation to a group. it is meant to classify, to rank, to make one of a race. It isn't bias though.
I am black/male/hetero/anglo/descended of enslaved/human... these terms have no bias.
I am black based on my appearance.
male based on being born with a penus
hetero based on the desire to fornicate side the female gender.
anglo based on the language i communicate in most
descended of enslaved based on my ancestors condition in the american continent at a time.
Human based on my genetic sequence.
None of this is bias. No generalization exist in any of these definitions. These are simple facts, but not limiters.
Just because I am black doesn't mean someone can't call me mulatto.
Just because I am male doesn't mean I can't neuter myself to delete the ability to use my penis to its fullest.
Just because I am hetero doesn't mean I can't be raped by a man
Just because I am anglo doesn't mean I can't learn mandarin
Just because I am descended of enslaved doesn't mean I can't associate to the land my forebears were enslaved to.
Just because I am human doesn't mean I can't want to marry a tree.
I am preaching sadfully, but the word is bias not racism. I really hope more people in humanity stop using the word race inappropriately.
@Delano
A black asian of indian descent who was in the courtroom when mandela was imprisoned said it best. He came in a warrior in traditional garb and left prison in a european suit.
Mandela left prison peaceful, but he was also broken. The man he was before prison, like many who have been in prison, was broken into something else.
Now that something else was satisfactory to whites in power, satisfactory to black leaders who preached nonviolence in south africa or usa, but that something else was unsatisfactory to the majority of black people in south africa, who represent most of the populous.
Winnie Mandela was excommunicado from the leadership. It is that simple. Mandela/Tutu/Declerk/ the white + black one percents in south africa were united. They each had an element that when put together made a key point in south african history.
The truth is, like in all countries ala the usa at the end of the war between the states, it will take time for south africa's truth to mold the choices made at the crucual moment into the future.
Your wrong, no people's really die. Jews always lived in Germany even through all the nazi's killing. The druids , native people of what is called england, didn't die off even though the history books keep saying they did. The Black populace in the usa will always exist. Maybe one day a large exodus out the usa happens, that would actually be historical balance. Maybe one day a war happens involving the usa and black folk are on the losing side again. That happened in the past multiple times concerning the usa. But the black populace in the usa will survive in some numbers. Hell, the native american wasn't completely annihilated and white people of europe tried their best so... no people's die. Get small, perhaps. Get large, perhaps too. But never die out.