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@Pioneer1 I do gather that maybe you comment to my post just to get me to comment back, but you speak of we and then identity theft and then brainwashing... In my mind I have many questions, who is we ? who can determine if an identity is stolen or an identity is open? who can determine if someone is brainwashed or simply of an opposing position? I realize that my discourse may seem overwhelming or lacking space for oppositional discourse, but when I think of the black populace in the usa or beyond i dont think of a we. it is a set of many groups united only in skin or appearance, some larger in populace, some smaller in populace, but not a we, that can act as one whole unit. when I think of the black populace in the usa or beyond, I see many identities, and not all are isolated, some are congruent to each other, and I don't know of any authority in the black populace to give a label to one of the indentities to any black person when I think fo the black populace in the usa or beyond, who can determine is brainwashed. In my personal experience it isn't brianwashing but simply free choice that black people make that has led to frictions amongst black people. When the black DOS christian churches in majority supported the war on drugs, which was a governmental program to cover the government creating and supporting multiple illegal drug industries in the black populace for the jim crowian purpose of harming the black populace, it wasn't because of brainwashing, the black churches made a choice. The reason wasn't complicated. Black churches are not the oldest christian heritage in the black populace of the usa. the oldest christian heritage in the black populace of the usa is the negro spirituals of enslavement, a heritage which has no bible, cause black people weren't allowed to read, nor a physical church because black people weren't allowed to own land or have a home. The black church heritage is the second oldest christian heritage in Black DOS history and is based on an integration with whites who wanted to grow their religious communities with black members, by building churches + schools for blacks. So, the black church heritage was born of blacks willing to make deals with whites and place the responsibility of the black populace in the usa on the black populace gardless of any white actions, like burning a black town to the ground or making towns of black people sick or imprisoning town of black people, all which happened more times than any court cases for it from 1865 to 1980. I am not a brainwashing believer. I think humans make choices with full comprehension, I think too many humans want to force mass action, collective action and get frustrated when collective mass action is harder to achieve than they think it should and call it brainwashing. I keep saying to you and profd, alot of other black people don't think the way you do, they are not wrong, they are not right, they are not brainwashed, you two like myself, must focus on finding and acting with likeminded black folk. so I say all of that to say, I have nothing of value to add after your comment, but I rather focus on positives and what can happen. Black people who are not interested in building something with other black people solely, are who they are. I can accept them.

That's because YOU live in Wakanda. That place where all of the Black people are living large and lavish....lol. "Excuse my appearance. I just got back from a power luncheon and didn't have a chance to CHANGE into my late afternoon lounging attire."

Deep. From The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire (1776) "The various modes of worship, which prevailed in the Roman world, were all considered by the people, as equally true; by the philosopher, as equally false; and by the magistrate, as equally useful." The same holds true for the concept of race. ....considered by the masses, as equally true; by the educated, as equally false; and by the plutocracy as equally useful.

13th amendment was ratified on 3 Feb 1865 in the state where I live.