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https://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/nov/04/relativity-quantum-mechanics-universe-physicists Now for the problem: relativity and quantum mechanics are fundamentally different theories that have different formulations. It is not just a matter of scientific terminology; it is a clash of genuinely incompatible descriptions of reality. Have a read. The text below the link is from the article. https://futurism.com/newtonian-physics-vs-special-realtivity/ http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae392.cfm Newtonian Mechanics turns out to be a private case of Quantum Mechanics. In some situations, the behavior of the sub-atomic particles can be described well enough by Newton's Laws, but the more general theory is the Quantum Mechanics.

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2017/10/25/16504488/hurricane-season-2017-what-the-hell

Pioneer last paragraph makes his point. He is being cautious.

I don't know. Perhaps you are right Pioneer. We may ve our worst enemy. Then I think about the creation of the KKK and the internment camps during WWII.

There is a difference between me saying you are wrong and saying I am right. Asking a personto give an example to back up a statement is an effective tactic in argument. Most people can't which then weakens the rest of the argument. This is the second time. After some thought I changed my mind and realised Cynique was correct. Years back i was wrong and you were right about sampling. The climate is changing. It may also be due to fossil fuels. But the models and the predictions are misleading. The two not for profits are making misleading statements. I have recently been very critical about Troy's usage of words. I am not defending Pioneer in order to get back at Troy. I find intelectual bullying distasteful. Elitism Racism Sexism are all ways to diminish and or dominate the target. Troy's attempts to use science and mathematics to silence the opposition. That is distasteful. Pioneer mentioned that he didn't go to university a while back. That moved me. Whether it was said with humility I don't know. What i have noticed with Troy recently is a need to attempt to use his pedigree to win arguments. Troy you are clearly a focused driven guy with multiple degrees. If the conversation is about engineering and mathematics, your opinions are informed. Being an expert in one field doesn't make you an expert in others. You telling me to Stfu doesn't warrant more of a response. The climate change data is not transparent. The undelying numbers have been altered. Go to Princeton University's site. They geometerological department says they have questuins about climate change that they can't answer. I don't expect that Troy will look at the opinion from credible scientist. You have made up your mind. We have a change in the climate. I am uncertain of the cause.

The peevish bit I get but you think it was rude. No I have very little illusion about my fellow posters. I loved growing up in New York. However i saw the city i love disappear. Perhaps will see how things develop

Pioneer I just want to acknowledge that your style and methodology follow a logic that is internally consistent. I appreciate a well presented and thought out argument. That is neither argumentative nor emotional. I am also striving to present arguments that have less typos and are easier to understand. I was wondering if you have consciously changed your style? I am less inclined to blindly follow experts. Since even amongst experts you have dissenting opinions. The discussion pf those differences rationally is what propels discourse both personal and scientific.

Troy this is a discussion. So unless you want to censor me or delete my post. I will point out why and where you are mistaken. You ability to think critically or to even withstand criticism is appaling . If you want to be seen and respected as an expert. Your delivery and content of your arguments need to be sharper. or maybe just learn yo argue using rhetoric. Or I can just stop posting. or engaging with you. I'll close my mouth when you start opening your mind. Having knowledge in engineering doesn't make youan expert in any other field.

This is where reading comprehension is important. It's is not 97% of scientist its 97% of climate scientists. And that number is overstated I know because I checked. Think for a second how would you take a global average temperature.

Maybe check their sources. As to how they computed that number. A lot of people mention ut without knowing anything about it. Because people are happy not thinking. Anyone using that 97% hasn't read how they figured that number. Don't take my word go check. Also go see if you can find temperature data.

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexepstein/2015/01/06/97-of-climate-scientists-agree-is-100-wrong/ https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/ There's one from both sides.

Ok @Troy

Well said Cynique. That's why i say there aren't any facts.

My favorite Feynman books Surely you're joking, Mr Feynman! and What do you care what other people think.

The answer should be obvious.

Al Gore has a colossal carbon footprint. BTW I have already looked at Trump. He literally has hundreds of businesses. Most of which are licenses of his name. Troy it won't be long before Al Gore and Climatologist are seen for being frauds. A lot foundations are ways to pay yourself and your cronies. The Trump's Clinton's Obama's Bush's Reagan's all have foundations. Al Gore has a not for profit it raised about $26 mil $18 is for programs. Which is another way of saying salary.

Domination is more about aggression than intelligence.

search Al Gore Income.

Do a search on Al Gore Income. OR Will Al Gore be the first Climate Change Billionaire. Figures don't lie but every liar can figure.

If mathematics was created instead of discovered. Then all of science which is dependent on mathematics is chimerical. The philosophy of mathematics discusses said issue. It is unresolved amongst mathematicians. I think its a creation like all symbolic languages . Which are imbued with meaning by the users. Numbers have no intrinsic value nor a basis in reality. Punny.

Troy I tagged the people who contribute yo yhe discussion. There's no pecking order. I generally dont agree with Pioneer. However his opinions resonate with some if your audience. I will ask a question or make a statement to some one with more knowledge. Some technically train people assume have knowledge in one sphere makes them knowledgeable in others. Stephen Hawking says astrology is rubbish. Richard Feynman asks how does it work. So unless you can show its efficacy. Let's use science.

@Mel Hopkins I am more interested in thinking and discussion then climate change. Richard Feynman Nobel Laureate, contributor to the Manhattan project as a lead physicist. Found why the Space Shuttle blew up. Bongo player. Strip club frequenter Would answer questions in the mail by non Physicists. His daughter published a book of his correspondence.

Ok Troy

I have given up trying to reason with you. I am done.