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Or it may not make sense.

Troy Everything is subjective. Otherwise you and Pioneer wouldn't disagree on points you both feel are clear or common sense. Think about it unless you perceive racism it doesn't exist for you. In your mind this is ridiculous. But there us an implication which i will overtly state. My perception does not change the global reality on my perception. And perception is reality. That's obvious to anyone that reading the post in this thread. Excluding your own. I have dropped a few bread crumbs. Cynique attempted to draw yiur attention to this with the simple statement. Del has made some good points. However I don't think this sparked any fresh inquiry along ybe lines of my inflammatory statements. The flame illuminated little. Two final statements. I could be overestimating may contribution to this argumemt. Whenever I agree with Pioneer I know I have missed something.

@Cynique how could you possibly think I wouldn't be interested in this post. I find people irritating when they show me a side of myself. Arrogant know it alls, that are mistaken and stubborn. I'll have more to say after watch the clip. Also if it's okay with you I'll have a look at your chart. I can post here or privately. Yeah even though we haven't met you seem familiar. Also i feel some type of cosmic connection with Mel. I have had the same experience thst she said i gave her. This has happened twice. Troy feels like a younger older brother. And pioneer is a former? Ideological enemy.

Mel hits a three from the baseline.

I but she is a product. And her currency or value is being debated. No it is not directed at you specifically. The conversation feels like a slave auction.

So a woman has to be attractive. Is that the only state she can exhibit. Perhaps she should be Barbie. Are you purchasing her? Is she for sale or even rent.

Anyone read Paul Beatty. What do you think of his work?

That's one of my specialties. Its like i had the following idea. Let's say you went to a masked ball. And you met someone and fell die them. Then when you met you found they weren't the sex that you are attracted to normally. What would you do. Then lets say on your third meeting yiu found out they cross deessed on your second date.

My not ageeing with you does not make me unaware if racism. Your statement is worthy of Pioneer. You are exporting your views to people that dont share them. And you wonder why they cant see the racism. Mel and Cynique don't see it. So in this context it doesn't exist to them. Which is something you can neither see nor accept. Troy you may be missing my point. You are focused on the racial aspect. If you dont see or feel racism does it exist for you. It's a very subtle point. It's a variation on if a tree falls in the forest and noone hears it does it make a sound. The answer is no. A person needs to be conscious of the sound. Substituting another Black person doesn't change the focus to something other than race. At least not a nthe example you have chosen.

What is fascinating is the entire discussion centers around image or mostly. She had become a symbol and has cease to be a person. What is being said is an externalisation of internal prejudices, opinions and beliefs. That are being discussed as though they could be objective truths. It's like a Slave Auction of Black Women. Along the Black Mail Female divide. She means whatever you believe she means. But don't think you are right. Since this is an intellectualised conversation about belief. I am indifferent to the picture. Or it doesn't have the same weight or implied meaning.

I think it's fantastic. Make books come alive. A book review on TV isn't that a first?

@Mel Hopkins @Cynique @Troy Pioneer you are requesting assistance. That doesn't materially affect your life. Your analogy is manipulative. In that you are comparing yourself to a family in danger. And my not helping you is a moral lapse. I am not so easily used. No the burden of proof is on you to convince or persuade me to give you my time and "knowledge. " So when someone has been disparaging and dismissive about what i do. Then feels it's my moral obligation to help then yes i want to know why. What's also interesting is that you request both proof and assistance. You are asking me for something, yet you won't say what your motivation is for asking. So I have to assume that either you don't believe it is possible and you want me to prove my own delusion. Or you want to use it for personsal gain. Or like many exchanges with you it is your attempt to prove your dominance. You have an unwavering sense of commitment, obstinacy and self importance. However none of these points are capable of swaying me mentally , emotionally, morally, or logically. I am pretty certain you will not answer the question, of your motivation or truthful reason for asking.

She is a commidity. Troy and Pioneer wouldn't buy her, Cynique and Mel would.

I love it.

We are commodifing her. As if she were a consumable. And since she is an actor that is partially true. But not in this context. Why does she have to be attractive or not atttactive. She is a sucees in a field littered with failure.

Its anonymous but you could ask for sex, age brackets and region. So it's not invasive. I am not certain how you can determine motive when its is not always clear to the individual , what is motivating them. You could ask them to rate the picture. Does the picture remind you of anyone. And what do you think of Time. How likely are you too see her next film. You can get a wealth of information with a few questions.

Do you define it by behaviour, prefernce, can it be self defining or does the group you are or aren't a member decide your orientation.

@Pioneer1 Pioneer have you considered that maybe you are wrong pr perhaps mistaken? That possiblity exists. Yes but have you thought about how yiu could be wrong? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Which is subject to influence by culture, politics , peers and one sex organs and perhaps sexual orientation. @Troy Statistics won't tell you people's motivation. You can start by asking why you and Pioneer, see it differently than Mel and Cynique. However that requires a level of introspection and intraspectionthat is rare. That's not meant as a slight. The key may be in triangulation. @TroyAlso can you post the statistics in total and by race. Mean average and mode for your different categories : sex and race. Age may be interesting but may resukt in either samples tgat are too small. Region may also be interesting. Which couldbe used to see cultural shadings.

Well if your asking for help or proof. Then motive is important.

I don't think it is flattering nor do I think it is racist. I don't know the intent nor am i certain how Viola Davis is harmed by being on the cover of time.

If you're hood or make money illegally you have street cred. Pimps Hookers Dealers Boosters and Fences. Where would you place black comedians?

It's like being dumb was cooler than being smart. Yet you had cats that were street and smart. Then you had cats that were street but too slow. Where would you place the following people on the street and smart scale. Cause when you say street, it implies street smart. Malcolm X, Louis Armstrong, Angela Davis, Maya Angelou, Eldridge Cleaver, Miles Davis. Power Man. Black Falcon Another aspect is you could be loved by the street but not be street. Although I am not certain where i would put Iceberg Slim. There's the character and the author . He was a hustler in a few senses of the word. There's a cool documentary about him. Oddly enough a few members of NWA weren't really street, but came off as street. Whereas Q-Tip was a street philosopher. He called himself the abstract and his name is clever.

It's strange to non followers .

Not certain what you mean?

@Troy it's not a bad thing.