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ProfD Thanks. I've seen a few of these clips but they don't include where he goes much deeper and talks about the Black women warriors. In a few shows he actually gives more detail of the plans of the racists to not only sway the men into going after the White male anus but he says they'll try to encourage Black women to become soldiers and warriors. They won't worry about getting married and having children (the real aim of the racists anyway) but instead their goal in life will be to grow up, join the military, fall in love with other Black women and go off and fight on foreign battle fields. He said that was the long term plan. That's not some VAGUE prophecy...I mean...that's TOO specific and detailed. And when you see that new Black Panther movie and it's nearly all female government and warriors along with the Woman King....you're seeing a CLEAR narrative and agenda being pushed: Black women stop trying to be women and start being the STRONG MEN you were meant to be! "We don't want to be delicate and feminine. That's for White girls. We want to be muscled up strong warriors!" "Ok....thank you our brave women warriors! WE'LL gladly take the feminine role! You can fight for us too while we take bubble baths and get our nails done" *Btw....during that time in history most African women went around topless and their breasts were routinely seen. So if this movie wanted to be historically accurate, why weren't the women allowed to show their breasts??? Because seeing those nice brown African breasts dangling on the screen would make it CLEAR that these were feminine women....which would defeat the real purpose of the movie.

They are playing a strategy right out of the "Art of War" book. When strong....feign weakness. If their numbers were REALLY that low...they wouldn't even admit it publicly. Another thing they're trying to do is chop themselves up into little tribes with their own identity so you can't call them "White" anymore. "Hey, I'm not White.....I'm Italian....and my buddy over here is Polish! If you have a problem, take it up with the White guys bro...we're not White!"

ProfD PBT steady brings it don't he...lol. Man, Neely Fuller Jr. talked about the subject of this movie years ago and how they were trying to masculinize Black women. @Mel Hopkins Lol...glad to see you finally poked your head out of your shell for a bit to interact with the people. Those who don't know their strengths aren't necessarily physical will always fail themselves, the Black community, and ultimately society. Facts Most Black boys in America aren't properly TAUGHT how to use their brains for anything besides sports. This is why we have a lot of successful AfroAmerican FEMALES in the corporate world but most Black MALES who are successful in the sciences like medicine, communications, engineering, etc...are from AFRICA and not the United States. Sankofa. I'm familiar with both the term AND the movie. That movie was so deep, especially the resurrection scenes.

Help me out brutha! You listen to Neely Fuller Jr. also, and I seem to remember him years ago SPECIFICALLY say that they were trying to turn Black women into warriors or soldiers. Do you remember this also???? He said that they they were trying to make the Black woman's vagina obsolete, make the White man's anus the NEW "Black vagina" that Black men should seek out.....and then the plan was to get Black girls to become lesbians, seek the comfort of EACHOTHER and then join the military and go fight in wars with eachother and die in eachother's arms. Do you remember hearing any of this also???? If it had came from anybody else besides Neely Fuller I would have chuckled at it a little but coming from HIM I said Hmmmm..... Now look the movie "Woman King" comes out with no women in any positive sexual roles, encouraging them to hate the Black man and see him as useless and then encourage them to become militant warriors who fight and die in eachothers' arms!!! Neely Fuller Jr. NAILED THIS YEARS AGO!!!! I'm trying to find a few links to him saying this. He said it SEVERAL times but mostly in his hours long presentations.

richardmurray maybe because harlem had a black elected official, a legendary one, long before I was born I grew up seeing black elected officials regularly so I don't value their presence. I value their effectiveness to the community. Thus I don't see obama as you are others. but I do comprehend that other black people needed to see a black president. Similar to your experience, I grew up in Detroit which was a Black city operated by Black politicians from the Mayor down to the city Council and police force. I was used to seeing Black people in charge. However as I got older and traveled through out the nation, I realized how lacking Black leadership is in most of America and how "rare" it was for most places to see Black people in positions of power. I apologize, by black loyalist, I meant the name given to black people in white history books who fought for themselves aside the whites of britain and against the creation of the usa or the whites of the usa or blacks of the usa, I call black statians. I wasn't suggesting anyone in this forum is disloyal or traitorous to the black community in the usa or elsewhere. Said black loyalist, the historic group, would oppose you or the others as they did crispus attucks. Ok, I gotcha....lol. Those are relatively unfamiliar terms for me so I'm glad you're somewhat clarifying them. I think you are the first person I heard the term "black statians" from. But based on what you've said, if they're fighting WITH the Whites of Britain against the Whites of America or against the Blacks of the USA...they don't sound like they're very loyal to the "Black" community, but loyal to themselves and THEIR own cause. Kind of like the Black Muslims in Africa fighting along side the Arabs against the Black Christians and Traditionalists. Or like the Black Conservatives fighting along side the White Republicans against Black people of other political ideologies. They aren't loyal to "Blackness" so much as they are loyal to their own special interests with a Black flavor to it. when I mean black loyalist I am referring to that historic community and later the black people in the USA who enacted and enact their historical position of opposing the usa, opposing whites in the usa, opposing blacks statians, who by default support the usa. Ok....LOYALISTS and STATIANS stand opposite of eachother. Am I understanding that correctly??? And thus my point in this forum post. You say that most enslaved black folks will want black participation/citizenship/striving or thriving in the usa as part of it. I oppose that position. But the point is Black people have key disagreements. When one black person says our enslaved forebears in majority wanted to be of the statian dream, while another says opposite, that is not something a bridge or center position can be made out of. And thus, when either black person makes a point, their is a natural friction. I will not say any black person is wrong in the usa for where they feel the black populace in it needs to go to, cause history gives creedance to all positions I think we can both agree that SOME of our Ancestors wanted total freedom and separation from Whites while SOME of our Ancestors wanted to remain under the control and dependent on Whites. What the exact percentage and combination was or which held the majority...I'm not prepared to say because I don't know of any accurate stats for this. Obviously the FIRST Africans to be enslaved wanted nothing to do with it, but as time went by and generations passed...clearly many of our people became "institutionalized" in the system of slavery having known nothing else except their lives under that system. Taking them out of slavery would be almost like taking a fish out of water. but the entire black community in the usa has to realize its variance internally are unlike whites. Whites in the usa, have variance but it isn't the same. Absolutely! Most of our disagreements in our community are over the best ways to achieve power as a people; while most of their disagreements are about how to USE the power they already have. Also, a lot of so-called "arguments" and "fights" that White folks engage in are for SHOW. They are merely PRETENDING to conflict with eachother to give an illusion to the people of color they are governing that they are somehow "opposing" eachother when in reality behind closed doors they both share the same position. I used to see this in school. Two White boys would wait until they got around some Black kids and then start cussing at and shoving eachother like they were really angry.....but would never throw actual blows. 🤔 White folks are always PRETENDING to fight and disagree with eachother but actions speak much louder than words. I like that term you used though......Black Statians.

If they have ANY kind of debate no matter how scripted or well planned.....Walker will lose. Period. He's too stupid and inarticulate to stand up against Warnock....who isn't the best speaker himself. The Walker Campaign is making a huge mistake with this one, lol.

I agree that White people as a group are currently winning. However I personally don't BELIEVE (because I don't control or have privy to the demographic data being collected) that the White populations of Europe and the U.S. are declining. I see more White people walking around now than I did 40 years ago. I believe this often pushed narrative that the "white population is declining" is actually REVERSE PSYCHOLOGICAL PROPAGANDA that serves two purposes: 1. Alarms and alerts White people into producing more children 2. Gives people of color and especially Black people a false sense of confidence and puts them at ease when in fact much of their population is being diluted or decimated. Not only do I believe the White population on the planet has actually increased, but many of the people they are calling "Black" are actually mixed with other races and many don't even physically look Black. They are now trying to turn Black into an IDENTITY instead of a racial classification based on genetics. If they can solidly do that and have most people agree with it, soon you'll have blonde haired blue eyed Caucasians running around in dreadlocks demanding Reparations....and getting them! "Ok, first of all bro...chill...I was BORN White but I now IDENTIFY as Black! Secondly, as a Black man like you...I support the fight of MY PEOPLE for Reparations for past injustices! Third, as Black people we should lay the full blame squarely on where it all started! Not on England, France, or Spain....but on those wicked African kings and kingdoms who sold MY PEOPLE into slavery! That's where the Reparations should come from!!"

frankster What link can you provide as a source on any one of the following ideas?? "talk of having come FROM the Egypt/Ethiopia area and moving West and South"?? "arriving in their lands after their ancestors traveled their from the East or North" ?? "people ENTERED Africa through the Kemet/Egypt Africa originally.....not came out of it" ?? The links are out there, as well as links that claim the opposite. As I've said time and time again, it's HISTORY....."his-story" so unless we have a time machine to get into together and go back and witness these events for ourselves....we'll simply be going back and forth with each other over THEORIES. I provide a bunch of links....then you disagree with them and set out to disprove them with your own. Not trying to do that because I see no benefit in it. Not even for entertainment purposes. If you are seeking a global unity.....These are some of the peoples on the globe - they are a part of the globe so one must start where one is. I'm not seeking global unity. I have no desire to unite with a large percentage....perhaps even a majority...of people around the globe. I'm seeking unity with a SELECT GROUP.

@Troy Professor Black Truth has a message for you and others who suggest that we need to "see" a movie or other piece of propaganda for ourselves before being able to intelligently critique it: I'm not wasting my money or time on PROPAGANDA and refuse to allow it into my psyche.

richardmurray Man you get deep....lol As you are the third person to mention black elected officials as a resultant to the betterment of the black community it is clear, that black elected officials , regardless of their quality are deemed a worthy result for the black vote by many black people. This is true, especially in the case of Obama. Because the VISUAL of seeing another Black person in office gives one needed hope and confidence that others can pursue and achieve the same position. Crispus Attucks will concur 100% to you Pioneer or Frankster or Danielle. But will the Black loyalists? no. But I AM a Black loyalist. A true one, who wants to see the improvement and betterment of Black people. Some of these people don't really care about Black people or want to leave the system of the United States; they don't want ANY rules and don't respect ANY government. If they left America and you put them in another land or territory....they'd still go through the same problems they're going through in this one. Will the Black enslaved? no. I'm not so sure most enslaved Black people would NOT have agreed to their descendants rising to the heights of power and law making in the land they were held captive and oppressed. Infact, I'd be willing to be that was a DREAM for many of our enslaved Ancestors. The Black loyalists said the usa, its declarations, its legal code, the white people in it, the not enslaved black people who fight or live side the white people in the usa are enemies. Not necessarily. Some do, but many if not most Black loyalists don't. The fact that most Black loyalists continue to LIVE in the United States without seriously seeking residence and citizenship elsewhere is proof of where they loyalty REALLY resides. And the Black enslaved had one common factor, they all didn't want to be enslaved. Well, you'd be surprised that SOME enslaved Black folks actuallyw wanted to be enslaved because they felt it was their divine destiny to suffer that fate because of some "Curse of Ham" belief. Others didn't think they could make it on their own without the assistance and support of Whites. Your correct, the Black loyalists nor the Black enslaved wanted a job did they? SOME Black loyalists wants jobs....inf act MOST do. I think most....like myself...want their own businesses INDEPENDENT of White institutions. Most Black folks who don't want to work and want to live criminal lives are NOT Black loyalists however. They aren't loyal to Black folks or even their own families and children. They are only loyal to THEMSLEVES and will carry that same selfish mentality where ever they go. They are dead weight to the community and need to be abandoned for the health of the over all community.

I bet you celebrate St. Patrick's day though...lol. "Come on and kiss me girl.....I'm Irish!"

I'd like to give out copies of Neely Fuller Jr's groundbreaking book: Would you like a copy, Coggins???

🤔Now...... How is SOMEONE ELSE gonna sit up there and tell ME what I am????

Lol.... Sounds like another "Contract on America" scheme like the one the right-wingers were pushing and hyping 20 years ago. I remember some of those wing-nuts were walking around with a "Contract on America" pamphlet in their back pocket and whipping it out every time they got into arguments.

I personally believe that homosexuality is a NATURAL deviation to a certain extent. {Not the majority of cases of homosexuality that we see today though. I BELIEVE (have no proof yet) that most of the Bisexuality and Homosexuality we see today....especially among African peoples....is a result of chemical, genetic, and mental manipulation on the part of racists for deviant purposes.} However in a NATURAL environment, I believe homosexuality probably still exists as a deviation to pose as a form of POPULATION REDUCTION/STABILIZATION. I've read from multiple sources that homosexuality seems to occur the highest in denser populations than sparse ones, which further supports that assertion.

richardmurray the question you pose is simple. What will it take to convince the Black populace in the USA, whose heritage is majority anti usa to buy in, believe, be part of the usa system? Well first of all, whether the majority are "anti USA" or absolutely IN LOVE with the USA are ABSOLUTELY part of the USA system anyway. Most Black folks in America...including the children of recent immigrants not to mention the FBA who have CENTURIES of heritage in this nation: -Were born in American hospitals -Went to school in America -Have Social Security numbers -Pay taxes from their employment, owned property -Have businesses here So they ARE part of the USA already. But most are relatively "passive participants" just skirting by and doing enough to keep their heads above water without wanting to take more responsibility for their own well being and future and that is one of the big mistakes our people make. We need to TAKE CHARGE of our environment, society, and governments on a local, state, and national level instead of acting like "outsiders" or little children just going along for a ride in the back seat of the car while the White folks are driving. The one factor that has a chance in my view of changing the black populace into majority statian is the modern black immigrants from carribbean/latin america/africa/asia. Many of them come not as black but attached to countries and usually, with the important point of wanting to be in the usa, which is against the heritage of the majority of black people in the usa. And I thank GOD for them! Not only do they give us another perspective of ourselves to see and enjoy but they come with a different mentality than most of our people born and raised here. They come here hungry and seeking opportunities that many of us take for granted or simply are indifferent to one way or another. They come here with their own cultures which give the men and women CLEARLY DEFINED ROLES to play and eliminates much of the confusion and frustration so many Black Americans find themselves in trying to get along with eachother inside the framework of a White American culture. ProfD Black Americans are powerless in that regard especially without a united front among us. True. However a "united front" doesn't necessarily have to constitute all or even most Black Americans. Just a critical mass...especially at local levels...to effect a change and impact the area. A united front in...say....the city of Indianapolis----- ALONG WITH A SOUND AGENDA----could radically change the entire paradigm of that city in just 3 or 4 years to a fertile spot for Black progress politically, economic, and socially.

The real question is what role do BLACK AMERICANS play in immigration and who is allowed to come to this nation??? Black people are full fledged citizens of this nation and have risen to the heights of power and yet so many of our people STILL "act" powerless and helpless as if they have no ability to control their environment. WE as AfroAmericans need to be exerting more power and decide who comes into this country and who doesn't. To hell with what some of these White folks think or want. Join the ICE force. Join the Immigration and Naturalization Department. Join the State Department. As a people and as citizens of this nation we need to participate MUCH more in shaping and making the laws of this land instead of sitting on the couch watching White folks make all of the moves and then REACTING to them. For example...... Last year when those Haitians were at the Texas border trying to get in and the rednecks on horses were stopping them and harassing and whipping them....BLACK POLICE OFFICERS from all over Texas should have shown up in huge numbers and SHELTERED those people and then dared the White cops to do something about it. We should have been bringing them food, blankets, medical supplies.....man my eyes tear up a little just thinking about it....toys for their children to play with, books, crayons, various things letting them know that WE see them as humans in need!!! It was OUR FAULT as a people that this happened to them!!! OUR FAULT!!!! Because we LET those devils do it to them! Black Judges, Black Police Officers, Black Lawyers......sat back and LET it happen.

Interesting thread................ There IS an agenda; infact...there are several agendas. And they aren't so "secret" anymore....they're out in the open. One agenda is by Caucasians to maintain control over the world. They use various methods from education to entertainment to military force to do this. The Illuminati is REAL btw.... They are very misunderstood though.

ProfD I WOULD say I'm tired of agreeing with you.......lol.....but that wouldn't "sound" right regardless of the intent behind it. richardmurray Can any one black show me anything that came from black voting? Show me something? The 13th amendment to end enslavement was the result of war. Show me something that Black votes earned the Black community in the USA. I Can't think of anything. Can you? I don't think we need a "National Black Voters Day" to exercise our right to vote. We need to have an AGENDA and push it until it's accomplished. However, to answer your question..... I think the Black vote helped give us Obama, the first "AfroAmerican" President. Not to mention a host of other Black politicians like Mayors, Congressmen/women, local leaders, ect... This was also mentioned by frankster and I'm seeing you two go back and forth so I'm sure there's been some detail and discussion on this but that would be my first thought on what the Black vote accomplished in the U.S.A. The Black vote also helped put Biden in office. I don't think that was too much of a benefit for our community but it showed how effective the Black vote is. you add jobs they give to black people... As the prior commentor who said similar, your answer is correct. The problem is only one sector of the black community has ever found this satisfactory or to their purpose, and the other sectors have not and do not That sounds like the sector of our community who don't WANT jobs anyway, lol. They could care less who's providing jobs for our people because they don't plan on working on them anyway. They're looking to mooch off of someone or engage in the illegal/underground economy.

frankster Yes I agree with all the above...After all of the above.. Where on Earth did Human Life first appear I don't know. However I don't believe it started in Africa because most of the Black tribes of Africa talk of having come FROM the Egypt/Ethiopia area and moving West and South We KNOW where the White and Arab/Berber tribes come from...but the Black tribes ALSO speak of arriving in their lands after their ancestors traveled their from the East or North. This tells me that people ENTERED Africa through the Kemet/Egypt Africa originally.....not came out of it. We already have Institutions to deal with such people.. Focus on the Willing and Able not the worst of us. You said unity and unification without giving any qualifiers or exceptions.

Troy I don't have to see the movie to know that any trailer or poster praising Black women "warriors" and showing a bunch of tall angry looking Black women with big muscles buldging from their arms and swords in their hands is NOT the type of movie or image I want to see promoted to our youth. No sir....don't have to look at the movie to come to THAT conclusion. And if I DID waste $20 to go see that piece of propaganda...what should I expect to see in it? Anything different than what I suspect? I bet with all of this propaganda and so-called "history"...it won't even show Viola Davis topless or nude even though most of the women in that time DID go topless. It shows what they WANT you to see....masculine muscled up Black women. Still, this film will probably spur many people to learn more about the Dahomey and there is value in that. Don't you think? The BAD will outweigh the GOOD. For every ONE person who watches a falsely narrated film and has the desire to go out and learn the TRUTH about it....about 14 or 15 others who will simply BELIEVE that's the way it actually went down and assume they're watching accurate history. Hollywood and the powers who back Hollywood COUNT on this. My friend, you are often too quick to dispense with the historical facts. They matter. Have you considered why the Dahomey raised an army of female warriors? Yes. For the same reason why most AfroAmerican families today are headed by single mothers. I think one can more reasonably argue that we should be more concerned with images of toxic masculinity What is your idea of "toxic masculinity"???? BTW... I'm grabbing some snacks and propping up my feet to read THIS answer...lol

Troy How do you KNOW this Earth itself isn't trillions of years old? Do White folks have to say it FIRST before you believe it? The SAME White folks who used to teach that his planet was barely 6000 years old and was only made a few days before Adam was????

ProfD regardless of the subject matter, whether it's history from millions of years ago to religion to the latest sports legends and everything in between, human beings like to discuss and debate stuff. True. However the problems often come depending on WHO is doing the discussing and debating...lol. If a group of INTELLIGENT people are discussing or even debating, things will go smoothly and it will not only be hopefully enlightening and beneficial on for all parties but also entertaining! "Before we start this discussion, I'd like us to congratulate Taneesha for finally getting us that grant to build that Black History Museum on Lake Blv. The contractors are all set to break ground on December 2nd of this year. Also, I'd like to discuss which one of us is willing to be head CURATOR for the museum after we actually build it!" But if a group of FOOLS with doo-rags on their heads get together to discuss even the most mild of issues...it could lead to a fight and possibly a shooting. Not to mention a long lasting beef over something having NOTHING to do with the actual subject of discussion. "Ok first of all.....watch how you talk to my -- BOP! "Fuck you AND yo bitch.....tell her to keep her damn mouf shut!!!!" "Oh helllll no.....I GOTS to go to the trunk on THIS nigga!" "You ain't the only one with a trunk nigga....what's up???" POP POP......(cheap ass gun jammed on the fool)....POP POP POP POP We simply CAN'T expect a decent intelligent discussion with many if not most of our people today. No sense in even bothering. Give the fool some entertainment and let him go on about his business while the INTELLIGENT Black folks engage in PRODUCTIVE dialog. Otherwise, an obsession with the past would be a distraction and collecting data becomes an intellectual exercise in futility. Yes. And even worse than a distraction it's often used as a REPLACEMENT for real action. Instead of actually challenging and correcting injustice and racism...you want to do an "indepth study" on them and write book after book of your findings. Your biggest fight against racism is demanding the University you work for open up another "Black Studies" department so that MORE people can do MORE research on racism...lol.

ProfD I believe if 100 AfroAmericans divided equally among men and women were thrown out into the wilderness with the tools required to survive, they would figure out how to feed, clothe and house themselves. ....and I believe you're right. But probably after a few fist fights and maybe even a homicide which would be necessary to RE-establish a more natural heirarchy necessary in any society to get things done. But your statement is the MAIN reason Caucasians don't want AfroAmericans to be independent and constantly monitor and "interfere" in Black organizing. They know with practice and experience we will not only learn how to survive without them but eventually build a BETTER civilization than theirs. The smart and wise Caucasians KNOW this. Troy Besides it would be a life of constant work. Is that the way you wanna live, as if we were back in the 16th century? As unbelievable and as silly as this may sound to you, I'd be willing to live like they did in the 16th century for a few years IF IT MEANS getting Black people on the right track towards a more forward and progressive society. In otherwords..... If we have to take a step back to RE-SET the button and get on the right track from where we veered off as a people....I'm for it. And as society moved on FROM that point...we would move on toward progress rather than where our community is today. 🤔Think about it... If we were to live like Caucasians lived in the 16th century we wouldn't have electricity or running water in our homes BUT there would be no drugs, no AIDS, no mass incarceration. If you think about it, our people would have farming skills, carpentry skills, know how to farm and hunt, know how to form and maintain our own society, ect... We'd be in MUCH better shape living like Caucasians did in the 16th century than most of our people are living TODAY.

I'd give the Black folks I live a bottle of Omega 3 Pills (if they don't already have some) , hoping to increase their brain power so that they'd use the OTHER gifts they received more wisely and strategically.