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Troy Dude, again if native Oklahomans disagree with you that should tell you something. It tells me that many Oklahomans...just like many people all over the nation...have been MIS-educated or NOT educated at all. Take a look at these maps: Tulsa and the entire state of Oklahoma is clearly in the South. That's a fact. Facts aren't determined by consensus or HOW MANY people agree with it. A lot of native Oklahomans are anti-vaxxers too...lol...a LOT of them. Do you agree with that? But you can check out this Forbes article on the Brother's company. Forbes i a good white-owned company that you can believe, since you won't believe me. I didn't say I did or didn't believe you. I don't know the brother. My focus was on his mis-statement about Tulsa being in the Midwest. It was inaccurate. My only issue with what he was pushing was a GENERAL issue...not personal....that we need more brick-n-mortar businesses and less web-based businesses. Or a less PROPORTION atleast. Too many of our people have a laziness problem where they'd rather spend time playing games on the computer instead of putting on a pair of overalls and getting out doing some WORK.

ProfD I actually struggled a bit to find something to ADD to what you just said, lol. You summed it up bro.

Well.... Will there be any STEEL RESERVE ...served at the spot? If so, I might roll through there....lol. Don't start pouring the libations until AFTER I've arrived though.

When I was a kid.... The teachers used to CORRECT you when you used words like "ain't" or used double negatives like "ain't got no". By the time I got to highschool they STOPPED doing that and just let the kids talk however they wanted to. Same thing with handwritting. The teachers used to grade you on how neat and legible your handwriting was....then they stopped. I'm seeing a connection between the school system and the police where at a certain point in time they just LET things deteriorate.

You haven't seen anything yet. Stick around a while and watch how threads intended for ONE thing will shape shift before your very eyes and transform to something entirely different....LOL At Troy mentioned on another thread, it is what it is. Often times a thread that sticks strictly with the subject the OP intended...is a thread that contains only a few posts and ends up buried in the backyard. Another thing you'll notice is more people will talk about a subject in a thread it WASN'T intended for...than in a thread you actually MADE to talk about the subject in.

Maybe next time someone offers you an apology you'll ACCEPT it and move on...lol.

Sheeeyit..... If she ain't got nothing better to do she can take her ass back up to her old job at the post office and start braiding some hair again...lol. "Girl hold still.....shit!"

Cynique It's a simple formula that has worked for many people. Selling dope has worked for "many people" too. Prostitution has worked for "many people". Stealing has worked for "many people". We're not talking about what works for "many" people. That's not the focus. The focus is on...or should be on....what works for MOST people. In fact, the graduation rate is up for black kids And? The "graduation" rate is up for ALL kids now a days because they're not flunking them or holding them back anymore. As long as they show up to class and don't drop out, they're shuffling them through the system. You have kids showing up to college who can't even read and can barely count. Graduating from highschool NOW a days means next to nothing. not to mention that today's kids are all computer literate because they have phones and games and the internet and high schools nowadays are geared toward computerization. You mean the same computer literate kids that spell "you" as "u", never capitalize their words, and think emojiis are actual letters of the alphabet? Oh....THOSE kids....lol....gotcha.😉 incidentally i did not lead a sheltered life. Guuuurl you know you was spoiled...shut up, lol Miss "living in a sorority house with White maids" having ass. Gone on somewhere, lol

Troy So here we go again, we arrive back at your REFUSAL to recognize the reality of race. Again, the claim from the article that "a killer pathogen that is specifically designed to kill people of only a particular race." is simply false. It simply can't be done because there is not genetic basis for race! If this is true. If race doesn't have a genetic and scientific basis, then how did doctors/scientists determine the RACIAL differences in hypertension (high blood pressure)? Check out this article from the National Institute of Health Racial Differences in Hypertension: Implications for High Blood Pressure Management (nih.gov) 😏 Maybe YOU don't believe multiple races exist, but science certainly does.

West Texas is MUCH different than East Texas I liked the weather of West Texas better. It's sunnier and dryer...like Arizona. Houston was hot and humid like New Orleans. So was Dallas.

Troy Maybe it is part of human nature on some level. As a resident or a predominantly white neighborhood, I can tell you that white folks do the same thing. I've lived in predominately White neighborhoods and I haven't experienced them playing loud music on a regular basis except during a bar-b-que or outside birthday party. Certainly not every day. And I've lived in places as White as Portland, lol. and continue believing all Black men like big butts But I never said ALL Black men liked big butts. You have a habit of setting up STRAW MEN arguments to jab and stab at instead of dealing with the actual specific statements I make. "But you said EVERY SINGLE BLACK MAN on the planet loves big butts...and that's simply not true!" I said Black men TEND to Meaning: for the most part, not all. It's been my experience and observation that MOST Black men like women with wide hips and big butts. Not all. But you'll toss that "all" in there just to make it sound broad based and sweeping...so you can side-kick it down, lol Cynique who resides in a world of his own making. I thought you said I WASN'T an abstract thinker, lol.

Cynique Middle class values are there for anyone to adopt in the process of doing what it takes to get ahead. These values don't cost anything but good character. They're a state of mind! Do you ever think in the abstract? That's you problem (well....atleat one of them...lol). You keep arguing from an ABSTRACT or THEORETICAL perspective instead of a practical one...a more realistic point of view. Your argument is all a person has to do is dot every "i" and cross every "t" and everything will be alright for them; as if LIFE doesn't happen. It still hasn't occured to you that a large percentage of the population do not have the ability to graduate highschool. A good 20% don't have the ability to read at atleast a 7th grad level. And even if you do everything you "think" is right...you can still fall through the cracks if there isn't a sound and solid safetynet to keep you from doing so. Besides, graduating from highschool and not getting pregnant mean NOTHING if you are pre-disposed to addiction and end up an alcoholic or drug addict which is one of the main reasons so many people end up in destitution. Most people know right from wrong. They just live by their own code. In all of these true crime stories that I watch 🥺 See... And that's ANOTHER problem right there. You're watching that propaganda on television thinking THAT'S reality. It conditions you into that "good guy vs bad guy" mindset where you blame PEOPLE for all of their conditions instead of spreading some of that blame to the society they were brought up in. And you consider yourself a critical thinker. You could benefit from a class in Sociology. ....and you could benefit from Behavior Modification Therapy. Wanna make a deal to start the classes together? Troy For example of grew up with the "get over" mentality. It was not a mentality that my mom instilled in me, it was one I learned in the street. It encompasses from cheating on tests, beating fares, shoplifting, selling drugs, not paying of lying on taxes, etc, etc. This mentality sees nothing wrong with any of these activities -- in fact you are a sucker if you don't do these things. Exactly. She never HAD to do any of these things and probably never group up around people who DID have to. So in her "sheltered" mind....there is no excuse for not staying the course and completing the assignment. When you're facing not being able to eat or have a roof over your head...these "values" and "rules" go out the window and you do what you need to do to SURVIVE and stay alive. You're not thinking about graduating school when you're in an abusive home where you're getting your butt kicked every other day and watching a loved one get even worse. Education is the least of your concerns.

A Federal holiday is a day declared special by the U.S. federal government. A National holiday is one any nation on the planet may observe to celebrate it's independence.

Chev Ok, I'm sorry Chev....❤️....I removed some of the more lighthearted posts! Some of you work seems extraordinarily complicated to understand. I'm still trying to figure out how you came to the conclusion that Jesus was allegedly crucified on Thursday when the Bible doesn't see this.

Mzuri She can identify herself however she wishes but a Black Irish is a type of white Irish person, not one of Negroid descent. I figured that MIGHT be what Anonymous50 might have been getting at with the "black Irish" term, but I'm still not sure. Perhaps she can make it a little more clear. Did you know that the ORIGINAL people of Ireland were small Black folks...very small....and that's where the legend of the Leprachauns come from?

thisbassholery all day Lol...pretty witty. This conversation reminds me of Radio Raheem from Do The Right Thing "Gimme two slices. ...and put some moosarella on that mutha" Troy Race has nothing to do with class In a race-based society such as the United States, your race often IS your class in many settings. As I said in another thread, a lot of characteristics we associate with a certain class are often actually ETHNIC based characteristics that transcend class. For example.... Heterosexual Black men of ALL classes tend to like women with big butts and wide hips. We also like bass in our music regardless if we are poor or rich. Even our sense of humor tends to be similar regardless of socio-economic status.

Speaking of which....man I LOVE Indian food. There was this nice Indian buffet I was going to B.C. (Before Covid) with a huge assortment of colorful and delicious food and beautiful brown and black skinned Indian women bouncing all around the place dressed in traditional clothes as well as business attire. They stayed open as long as they could but eventually had to close their doors. Man I miss that place.

That's not much of a punishment. Lol....you do that ANYWAY.

Cynique Anybody can have middle class values if they strive to be upstanding and ethical and hardworking. Can anyone be "hard working" if they don't have any good paying jobs to work hard AT? Can anyone be upstanding and ethical if they weren't taught the spoken and unspoken social rules that govern much of corporate/middle class America? Rules that most people don't learn UNLESS they've gone to college and learned them by association.

Chev Those pics are showing the past president in celebration of this DIWALI Festival. This festival was instituted here in America back in 2005, I think [?]. It was instituted by former president Bush Jr. So, again the significance is to show that it is celebrated in the White House. My first question about this is.....is this a REAL photo? 🙄 I looks doctored to me. Are you SURE this is an actual photo of them being dressed like this? This is a federal holiday in certain states where schools are out, etc. 😏Now WAIT a minute woman.....lol....how can it be a "Federal holiday" but only in CERTAIN states??????

ProfD I don't know what she classifies HERSELF as........but I'D classify her as an Irish Mulatto. A person who is half Blk, half Wht...and Irish by nationality .

Hmmm.......... Now what exactly is a "black English" or "black Irish" and how are they branches of the Caucasian race?

Not only does financial status and education influence "class" but race and ethnicity also heavily influence "class" in this nation. I sincerely believe that it's in the NATURE of most Black people to want to celebrate with loud music, especially bass and drums. The youth and poor AfroAmericans are just careless enough to let it all hang out and do what MOST AfroAmericans of all social classes and ages want to do anyway but are reluctant to do because of how it may be PERCEIVED by their Caucasian friends or colleagues. Loud music is part of our tradition. As well as public dancing and walking around singing. Throwing Block Parties is another Black tradition that extends beyond class and economic status and is just part of OUR nature. We are a communal people by nature. it just so happens that loud music....like many other characteristics like dressing in loud vivid colors....is associated with "low" class and poor people because so many OF our people have been poor in this nation historically. So it became associated with poverty and low class....instead of a more appropriate association with Black and Brown people.

Troy I would not try to shoehorn these definitions based upon state boundaries. We're not talking about shoehorning though. These are official definitions. Oklahoma is OFFICIALLY a southern state. There is no way around it. Michigan is nothing like Nebraska....but both of them are "officially" Midwestern states. Besides if you got tripped up on the Brother referring to Tulsa as the Midwest, you failed to appreciate the reason I shared the video -- which is surprising given you espousing the importance of Black people supporting each other. After you lecturing me about mis-information you should understand why I value CORRECT information so much...lol. If you start off giving misinformation, even if it's an honest mistake...that let's me know HOW fallible you are and causes me to question the efficacy of the rest of the information you offer. Now granted, I don't know the brother personally so I'm not criticizing HIS information at all (except for his labeling Tulsa "Midwester"....lol); and yes I DO support good Black businesses. However as I've said time and time again a lot of what we're calling "Black businesses" today are mere internet schemes and scams that produce little tangible benefits for the Black community. It's merely Black men ATTEMPTING to imitate White men in shuffling money around from one pocket to the next....or from your pocket to there's..in various investment and crypt-currency schemes. "Yes!!! I just made $4.35 from my web based crypto-currency "business"! My wife will be so proud of me when she comes home from her REAL job at the hospital...that pays the bills while I play on the computer all day!!!" I'm not a financial advisor or stock broker so I'm not sure how venture capitalism works. But I know what a grocery store is. I know what a hotel is. I know what a gas station is. These are solid concrete businesses that our community needs.

Cynique I know I'm in the minority but I can do without the shaggy or bushy beards black men are now sporting. But who ASKED you? "BACK to your corner!" Lol..... I didn't give you permission to come dangling out yet! ProfD Inspired a bunch of n8gglets to look like they're from the Middle East or North Africa. Nicca looks like an ancient Zulu chief with a big belly and gold chains around his neck. All he needs is a harem of topless women laying around him. ....minus the big breastesesess Rick has, lol.