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A-50 Yes, Mzuri was right. That is what I meant by black Irish. There ancient ancestors were the Silures who are ;thought to originally come from Spain. They were physically characterized as a short Caucasian people having swarthy skin and curly hair, similar to Arabs. The Silures were the original people who were present in what is now Great Britain at the time the Romans invaded. This was before the redheaded pale skinned Celts and Germanic peoples came. Yeah, I figured that. Some White people are so race-conscious and obsessed with keeping their lines "pure" that they'll label ANYONE with known Black ancestry as "Black" whether they actually are or not. These ancient Silures...have you seen any actual paintings or carvings or other ancient images of them? Troy Once you start mixing nationality with geography in the context of the artificial concept of race the topic becomes so sloppy as to be nonsensical. But it is an open forum. Not to me. It's all as clear as a bell to me. I can separate race, from ethnicity, from nationality, from geographical boundaries.

While Derek Chauvin was locked up in the county jail, only White corrections officers were allowed to handle him because they thought the Black and Latino officers may have caused harm. But when was the last time you heard of them affording that same luxury to Black inmates? Especially those accused of high profile crimes?

So........... I suppose all of that talk of yellow asses has pretty much ended, huh? And I REALLY thought it was all eventually heading somewhere....lol.

I think both the Kenosha police department and the sheriff's department need to be investigated by the Feds for why they were allowing those armed racist militias to walk around intimidating people. There are videos of Kyle walking around with the weapon and his hands raised and the cops riding right past him to arrest someone else.

I've heard of SANTA CLAUSE and the EASTER BUNNY too. But that doesn't mean I believe in them....LOL

It's not enough to spend MILLIONS if not BILLIONS of dollars flying racist sexist Afgans to the United States and putting them up in houses and giving them spending money to assault U.S. citizens . Now he's want to give MORE money away to non-Black immigrants to sweeten the deals he's already made.

ProfD Kwame Brown is manhood on two feet. Intelligence, masculinity, a shining example of it. And both him AND King Randall advocate the teaching of skilled trades and other skills to Black boys. King Randall also advocates SEPARATE schools for boys and girls...something I also advocate. Chev Congradulations on your success. Black children can learn EASILY when they have a good and dedicated teacher who can speak their language and is willing to teach them. This is why during Segregation Black kids usually got a BETTER education than they're getting now. The schools may have had inferior books and facilities...but the teachers were SUPERIOR and could relate to the students much better because they cared about them. Black kids who are motivated can learn MUCH faster and MUCH more than White kids. Asian kids are just an EXAMPLE of how much easier children of color can out perform White kids.

ProfD I'm only illustrating that poverty has not increased over time. Yes, I know what you're saying. My point is...I think it actually has, but they're playing with the figures to make it seem like things are getting better. As we have already discussed, there's a reason for more homeless folks on the street. Closed institutions and shelters in favor of prisons. Right. Same people in poverty. It didn't reduce...it just SHIFTED from the streets to the prisons. Job opportunities and lower interest rates and inflated credit scores have allowed more black folks to take out mortgages. I think the lower interest rates and inflated credit scores along with the mortgage loan scandals prior to 2008 deserves more credit than more job opportunities...lol. Good paying blue collar jobs have been outsourced to other countries since the late 1980s. Robotics are taking over here in America. Facts The new blue collar worker is in a warehouse or driving around making deliveries. Otherwise, more folks are sitting in office buildings shuffling papers around. More facts. And both of those blue collar jobs you mentioned require LESS workers than an assembly line. 🤔So LESS blue collar jobs available...but the population has increases dramatically since 1990....so how does the poverty rate go DOWN with fewer blue collar jobs? Another reason poverty is down is because many folks who could be classified as such are shacking up and living with family members, friends, relatives, etc . Then I must give the same reasons as was given to the homeless to prison explaination. That means that the population in poverty hasn't gone down...or even remained the same. That simply means it has SHIFTED. From struggling alone....to struggling together. But the poverty rate remains the same. 1) why are there so many people living below the poverty line in a wealthy, developed country Because they need a constant supply of cheap labor. Both on the outside and in the prisons. 2) what can Americans do to lift their brethren out of poverty Another New Deal like Roosevelt had. 3) do people in poverty want a a better life and what are they willing to do in order to realize it Some do...some don't. But it's the government's responsibility to have the necessarily programs in place for those who DO want it to take advantage. The fact that poverty hovers under 10% of the population leads me to believe it's being managed like a business. I personally think the poverty rate is MUCH higher than that. Look at how many MILLIONS of people have recently been evicted for not being able to pay rent, and the millions who were just kicked off of unemployment. I think it's closer to 20% of the population or perhaps more. Mzuri The Census Bureau doesn't even have an accurate method of counting the homeless, they count people who show up for a meal somewhere, and then they try to count the people who live in tent cities and such. Clearly they are missing all the people that are sleeping in their cars and wherever. Then there's all the homeless people who have jobs, who counts them. 👏Exactly! You go to a Walmart in the morning and you'll see so many cars in the parking lot with people sleeping in them. Even many of their WORKERS are homeless and sleeping in their cars! But you have others who are just homeless and living out their cars in the Walmart parking lot and other parking lots. I don't trust most of these government statistics. At all. I don't either. These people are KNOWN liars with a reliable history of lying to the people. It's even worse than we thought, the article I linked below says that half of all American workers made less than $35K. That puts people squarely IN the poor category....even if they have no children. Unless they are living with someone taking care of their bills OR living in a very cheap area...$35,000 a year is BARELY enough to take care of yourself and live independently. Mr. Snarky Lol..... but what makes your arguments weak is that you based them solely on your personal anecdotes. In my opinion....if the person is trustworthy...that makes an even STRONGER argument. I'd trust the information coming from a person who has a reputation for being honest and telling the truth, before I'd trust it from a bunch of numbers and stats that come from who knows where. I'm not gullible enough to believe everything the government tells me. What is odd, to me, is that folks would completely reject the government's numbers in favor their clearly limited personal observations. Because a personal observation MIGHT be correct, or close to it. When the governments numbers might be completely fabricated. They have a habit of lying.

Sounds like some creepy cultish type of shit to me. Looks to me they already had the name ready and wanted to make the change and were just looking for the right excuse and opportunity to make the move.

I've heard of it. But I doubt that 90% of the population can actually make a living that way.

Chev So, these are some of the elements to determine the actual day. But I cannot remember right off hand whether it was Thursday or Friday. I will have to get back. 🥺 🤨

Troy Here is question for you @Cynique (or anyone). If the police call you in to question you about an illegal activity (say selling small quantities of marijuana) that you know a family member engaged in; is it right or wrong to tell the police about your family member's illegal activity? It depends on the family member. But generally speaking, I think it would be wrong to go to the cops and tell on a family member for such a mild offense. The punishment and problems it would cause would out weigh any harm that came from smoking weed. Especially when they're starting to legalize it all over the nation anyway. ProfD Maybe that mindset along with a biracial population explosion will bring racism to its knees. Well according to the teachings of Neely Fuller you either have White, Non-white, or White Supremacist. Biracials fall into the category of NON-WHITE. The White Supremacists would continue to be just as racist and harmful to them as they are to full blooded people of color. .....again, according to the teachings of Neely Fuller Jr.

ProfD Ok now you're gonna find out why Troy often finds discussions with me so frustrating: I don't trust those statistics because they don't line up with what I see. Those stats may say ONE thing about Black poverty but what I've actually SEEN from living around the nation is a totally different story. I've seen far more homeless Black people today than 30 years ago. Less Black people actually OWN their homes today than 30 years ago. There may be more Black folks with MORTGAGES than there were 30 years ago but how many of them are keeping up with the payments and paying them off? There are FAR fewer Black people with good paying blue collar jobs today than there were back in the 1970s. More Black people are incarcerated in prisons and jails today than they were 30 years ago before the 1994 crime bill also. So it doesn't make a lot of since for poverty to be lower or cut in half. It's like those unemployment statistics. They only COUNT a tiny sector of people who have been unemployed for less than 6 months and actively seeking work and focus on THAT sector, ignoring the millions of long term unemployed.

ProfD Well my brotha, without getting too personal and/or specific, I'll just type that many people have done it especially moving from poverty/low/working class up to middle class. I don't disagree with this. It can happen and does happen. Maybe you're a prime example...I'm not sure. But as with my argument about Cynique's "fool proof" method of improving one's socio-economic status...how many HAVE improved their status by this method? Out of the tens of millions of poor and lower middle class people...how many have the intelligence and energy to work hard, grind, and stay of trouble hoping everything falls in place and raised their condition? Again, I'm not asking how many CAN do it. Ofcourse we know some CAN do it. But how many HAVE done it...what percentage? 10? 20? 50? I'd like to stay away from ABSTRACT and THEORETICAL concepts in this particular post like "potentially" or "they can do it if they try hard enough"...and focus more on what HAS happened. We can argue for 30 years over what people CAN do if all the conditions are met and they try hard enough. What have we SEEN people do and HOW MUCH of the population has been able to do it under those same conditions? As I've mentioned in a few threads, I believe the the middle class in America has been expanded in order to anesthetize the masses. I believe so too. I believe this was a TARGETED expansion. They took away much of the good paying factory and other manufacturing jobs that poor people would get to bring themselves up out of poverty into the lower part of the Middle Class. But they made access to college more accessible through student loans as well as producing more corporate jobs. But this changed benefited Caucasians and Asians FAR more than it benefitted AfroAmericans.

Nor does what you consider edible..........according to rumors, lol.

🙄 🧐 Mr. Neptune?

ProfD A rose can grow up through concrete as evidenced by any number of scholars, entertainers and athletes who've started on the bottom or near it and ascended to another class. These are people who are exceptionally talented; either mentally or physically. People with high IQs, every strong and coordinated so they excell in sports, or have great musical abilities. They make up less than 20% of the general population. Folks can jump and skip classes as they so choose to do. Just a matter of effort. A matter of effort for those with exceptional abilities. Infact, I would say it's less about their efforts and more about their innate abilities they already had. Can those with NORMAL abilities jump and skip classes? Sure it's POSSIBLE...but not likely for most. I'd say less than 10% of those with NORMAL abilities will...for one reason or another..jump to a higher class. Usually people of NORMAL abilities jump to higher classes through: -Marrying someone of a higher class -Hitting the lottery or inheriting a large some of money -The fortune of having a lot of sheer energy to work hard and save and study to climb and scape and climb to a higher status. Something most people don't have. And after all that they still run the risk of falling back down to the class they were born in if they don't play their cards right and properly invest and establish connections while they have the opportunity. Too many things happen in this life today for the average person to just "work hard and save" himself up the economic ladder. Legal problems. Medical problems. High rent Car notes Downsizing Boyfriend/girlfriend Insurance (medical and auto) How many people have the time and luxury of working 80 hours a week for 20 years to get themselves out of one class to the next?

ProfD I'm here for the conversation too but.... I mean... If somebody (a FEMALE...tipsyturv) just WANTS to show off a yellow ass, I won't stop them! I won't turn them away! I won't complain about it! Freedom of expression...lol. And it doesn't have to be yellow.....it can be caramel colored, chocolate, or jet Black!

I've been following this young brother around for a while now. He's extremely intelligent and wise for his tender age of 22.

🙄 See....told ya. Yall THINK yall know Cynique....but you really don't, lol. Cynique I wasn't about to leave and make everybody happy Your leaving wouldn't make ME happy. I'd be disappointed. As if one of the toys that I like to play with got lost...lol. you sound like somebody who is using pioneer to make Troy jealous Well if she is....lol...I'll enjoy it while it lasts. I've been used a couple times to make other men jealous. By the time it was over....the women walked away wondering who REALLY got taken advantage of...lol. Maybe the guys will be lining up to kiss your yellow ass. but Don't underestimate what SOME Black men are willing to do to put their mouths on a yellow ass...lol "You wanna do what????"

I was raised in the Working Class (Lower Middle Class). Neither of my Parent's went to college, but they came along at a time when college wasn't necessary to secure good paying long lasting jobs that offered benefits. I was raised in a Working Class Black neighborhood where MOST of the parents had good paying blue collar jobs working in factories. They were able to buy property, send their children to school (often for nothing because the degrees were often useless), and some of the men even had enough money to support mistresses outside of their marriage....like the movie Fences.

Troy As you may know so called Black people die at a disproportionately higher rate from Covid and part of the reason is because people believe the falsehoods being spread on the web. You said that's PART of the reason. What do you think the OTHER part(s) of the reason are that so many Black people are disproportionately dying of Covid?

We definitely need an online presence to stay on top of modern technology. However I don't want to see Black people putting the cart before the horse. Online businesses and investing are careers of REFINEMENT. These are careers you engage in when your INFRASTRUCTURE is already build, solid, and sound. The housing is intact. The plumbing is straight. The roads and fixed. The population is healthy. The basics of society is already established. Now you can go into your nice well built home..sit at your desk....and get online to engage in web-based activities. White men have a full well rounded diversity of men who can do these things. But if you're broke and homeless like a lot of our people are, with no construction or medical skills. You have to PRIORITIZE and focus on what needs to be done the most. Let's keep it real. The reason you, me, and so many of our people can get on the computer RIGHT NOW and mess around....is because White men are keeping things running. They are keeping the lights on, the heat going, the roads fixed, the grocery stores stocked with food, ect.. So Black folks don't feel any need to learn how to do these things. But when they run out...and all you know how to is swap currency on the internet....what are you gonna do?

Troy I didn't take her post as a farewell. I took it to mean she's not going to engage with me or Mzuri any longer....not argue with us atleast. I don't BELIEVE it....but that's how I understood it, lol But I guess she can clarify...if she's still here. If I was Mark Zuckerberg, I would use my algorithm to prevent you from seeing Pioneers posts, but alas that is not possible. Problem is...she WANTS to see my posts, lol. Nobody is forcing her to interact with me or talk about me...she WANTS to do that. You're looking at things like a big brother who is concerned about his little sister going crazy chasing around some abusive dude who mistreats her. But that little sister is 35 years old and a grown woman who knows what she's doing and why she's doing it DESPITE how you feel! *And before Cynique says anything.....I don't mean "chasing around" as in sexually interested. I mean chasing around as in desiring the fun or excitement. Looking for friction....drama.

Troy Your INSERTION of the word "all" in my statements is what turned them into your strawmen to target. "You said ALL Black men like big butts! Yes you did....YES YOU DID. You MUST say this in order for me to win the argument!" Dude you wrote: "Heterosexual Black men of ALL classes tend to like women with big butts and wide hips." Which is a TRUE statement! Rich, poor, or in between....you will find Black men who tend to like women with big butts and wide hips! It's not the ONLY thing they like. Hell....some like OTHER MEN. But what do MOST of them like? Now if you're saying I'm wrong..... Then what you're saying is: There are SOME CLASSES in which none of the heterosexual Black men IN those classes find women with big butts and wide hips attractive. That's LITERALLY what you're saying by disagreeing with my statement. And if that's what you believe, then WHICH CLASS would that be? Do you understand the difference? The first is a declaration that would require support to substantiate, as it can be easily refuted. Then refute it....with proof or empirical evidence please. Your strawman argument is stating that I disputed the 2nd statement, which was not the statement you originally made. If you dispute the FIRST one...you're still in error. In my opinion.... Unless you can prove otherwise. Do you understand? Yes, I understand the problem quite well. I think both you AND Cynique need to enroll in classes together this semester...lol She can take a class in Behavioral Therapy. You can take a class in Logic. ....lol