Pioneer1

Then they have NOT determined....as you claimed....that sexuality is wired at birth, they are still in disagreement with eachother about it and in your words "still trying to sort it out".

Oh? Well if I said that then PLEASE provide a quote from me actually saying this. Last time I checked the only thing I said that came remotely close to this is when I said as long as the females are ABOVE puberty then.... (not that it's OK even then if you're already married to someone because I don't advocate adultery).......I don't give a damn. Those affairs would be between them and his wife, not us. I won't tolerate pedophilia in society but I WILL tolerate adultery although I don't like it because although it's immoral (in my opinion) it's not AS immoral and harmful. Speaking of which...... Why is it all about "male entitlement"? Incase you've been living under a ROCK (where squirmish creatures like you often dwell....lol) for the past 20 years, you'll notice that the vast majority of cases involving adults taking advantage of those too young for them have actually been WOMEN. Female teachers who can't seem to help themselves and end up sleeping with the boys they're suppose to be teaching! Society started off feeling sorry for these maniacs but it's gotten so bad now and so many teachers are sleeping with these boys that judges are being FORCED by society to give these women prison time.

Chev ??????? Not sure where all this talk of "12" and "13" year old girls is coming from........ What I've heard for years was that Elijah slept with his "young secretaries" and some of them were teenagers but I haven't heard any specific ages. Since this discussion I've actually tried to look up the ages of these girls/young ladies he allegedly had affairs with and I couldn't find any specific ages .

Cynique They can't even sort out their own sexuality. They are the ones who have determined that sexual orientation is present at birth Well that sounds like a major contradiction in your observations. Whether their conclusion actually has valitity or not....how can someone who has DETERMINED something be confused about it an unable to "sort it out"????? Chev For decades Neely Fuller Jr. has been predicting how they were trying to promote homosexuality and gender neutrality among AfroAmericans to reduce the population and create confusion and fighting among the men and women over gender roles. ...even back in the 60s he was saying this. Check out this 4 minute clip of Neely Fuller breaking down precisely how they are trying to destroy the Black community through sexual confusion: https://youtu.be/a3qUE8GGDvk This man was the late great Dr. Frances Cress Welsing's (The Isis Papers) mentor and he's still coherent and sharp as a razor at 90 years old giving interviews. You should really check out his work and his lectures.

Troy As far as what you just wrote. I gather it all means you have no proof to justify your secalious assertion that MLK has a homosexual affair Lol.....I was about the post the very same thing. When I glanced at the paragraph and all that was written I came close to assuming he MIGHT have some references in there. I just KNEW he wouldn't waste half of a damn page whining about how he's being mistreated and allegedly held to a different standard.

More LIES and garbage. Just like you've lied on Martin Luther King and couldn't back it up when challenged to do so. Lied on Malik Shabazz and couldn't back it up when challenged. I challenge you to back up the lie you just told on me. My position isn't the one that needs to change because I'm not the one constantly churning out lies in order to slander and defame.

Del I was disappointed by Pioneer1 saying he didn't care about Elijah raping girls and he would smile. What was the reaction from the men. So it's not enough that you lie on Martin Luther King and Malcolm X who aren't on here to defend themselves.....NOW you wanna lie on ME huh????? I've NEVER said that I didn't care of Elijah Muhammad or anyone else raped girls and that I would smile about it! Don't even TRY it Delano....don't even. You're deliberately taking my words out of their context and trying your best to twist them so that they will comfortably fit YOUR twisted agenda of attempting to portray yourself as some knight in shining armor who stands above all the other men on this site when it comes to defending the Black woman's honor. But let me ask you a question: Now I know what I'M doing in real life to protect Black women and girls- And I don't know of everything Troy is doing but just providing this platform for AfroAmerican writers ALONE is doing more to help talented Black women than most Black American men are doing for them so far- But besides typing up a storm on the internet, what are YOU doing in real life to advance your "cause" to protect the Black woman and her honor......lol....way overthere in Australia?

Neely Fuller has said for decades that the biggest and LAST trick of White Supremacy....is to try and fool people of color about their sexuality and get them sexually confused.

Let me make a correction on that statement you quoted that I didn't notice until you quoted it: I meant to write if he were banging them and HE were smiling, not if I were smiling. Other than that, my statement still stands. As long as they were above puberty and he didn't physically force himself on them, he's not a monster in my opinion. Would I have done it? No Do I think it was inappropriate? Maybe However like I said, I judge a man on the wealth of his deeds not on bits and snippets and again, as far as I'm concerned his sexual behavior was between him, them, Sister Clara Muhammad, and The Supreme Being Who will be his ultimate Judge. Stop thinking like your oppressor who believes that having sex with someone is the worst thing in the world. They'll go to a nation and slaughter THOUSANDS of people....men, women, and children with weapons.....and get called a "hero". But if that same person instead decided to grab someone and f*ck them instead of killing them, they would be called the worst of scum. Why? Because SEX is the "orignal sin" in the Caucasian psyche......not violence. Which is why graphic violence is allowed on U.S. televison but nudity isn't. Stop thinking like your oppressor Del. A man who has sex a lot of indiscriminate sex isn't the worst person in the world. Chev Professor Griff was a member of the 80s/90s rap group Public Enemy.

While I'm doing that.....maybe YOU should look up the words LIBEL and SLANDER.

Del I didn't say people who knew you thought you were gay. I'm just accepting what YOU revealed about yourself about people thinking you were gay (whether they took time to get to know you or not)......and offered an explaination as to possibly why. Perhaps it was how you carried yourself moreso than your intellectual abilities. Instead of trying to read INTO what I write....why not simply READ what I write and take it as is, lol.

Del Do you know why Professor Grif was kicked out of PE? According to what he's said it was because Chuck and some others were pressured into kicking him out over alleged anti-semitic remarks he made while in Europe. 　 Who told you a self acknowledged drug dealer was a 5%. Do you know why they are called 5 percenters? Lol..... That MUST be a rhetorical question. Why in the world would I tell you about an organization I didn't know about myself???? Jay-Z repeatedly refers to himself as "god" and "cipher" in his songs. And there are many who claim the Five Percent who also sell drugs, smoke weed, and steal. They are called "POOR Righteous Teachers" because poor doesn't just mean financially poor but also a term used for empathy. What's your source.  I never heard any called cipher growing up. Do you know what it means? Because they would stand around in circles (cipher = 0) and recite the Nation of Islam lessons. Cynique As for you treatise about Elijah Muhammad and the black Muslims having more impact on black America than any other organization, 　 I never said that. Lol, you really need to stop yawning and pay attention.

Del Didn't you just say in this very thread: "I have people tell me I am quirky, non aggressive , sensitive, good cook, good dancer, psychic, smart. So for a lot of people that makes me gay." Apparently the projections aren't coming from me. I'm not "a lot of people"....only one person...who has no idea as to your sexual orientation and not terribly concerned about it, lol. As for my Korean friend..... I left him back on the Westcoast but we still keep in touch from time to time. Lol, do you you want his phone number??

Since YOU seem to be their designated spokesman, if I had any questions for them I'd probably just ask YOU....lol. BTW......... Troy and Del A little bit of information you may find interesting. Since you both grew up Uptown in the 70s you DO realize that many of the rappers like Jay Z, Nas, and Poor Righteous Teachers as well as many others belong to a Nation of Islam splinter group known as "the nation of gods and earths" or "Five Percenters" right? This group was started back in the 60s in Harlem when one of Elijah Muhammad's ministers Clarence 13X was put out of the Nation of Islam and decided to start his own organization using much of the Nation of Islam's teachings but with fewer restrictions. It became really popular with many of the young people in the streets and it heavily influenced rap music. Erykah Badu and the Wu Tang Clan also are adherents to the Five Percent Nation. They often call eachother "god" and "cipher".

Flip It Cynique I'm always suspicious of male homophobes. i'm among those who wonder if these guys hate gay men because the latter make them question their own manhood. .....and THIS, from the same person who said in another thread: "Political correctness is becoming as stifling as those it targets. It is totally shutting down comedy and satire, forbidding people to laugh at the foibles of the human condition. " https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/5550-kevin-hart-shows-some-heart/ 　 So which is it Lady Liberty? Should people have the right to express their own opinion without being shamed, or does any attempt to criticize homosexuality deserve your suspicion as being homophobic????

Naaaaah...... All attempts at diversion will fail, lol. YOU started this thread accusing MLK of having affairs with BOTH men and women, and when challenged to produce evidence of this so far you haven't been able to. Any further points you'd like to make before this case is laid to rest?

.....just as long as you don't confuse SUPPORTING Black women with actually PROTECTING them. People in distress need a police officer not a damn cheerleader, lol.

Lol...... Is that your "scenic route" way of saying that you actually HAVE NO OTHER sources or evidence of those homosexual allegations against Malik Shabazz outside of some "book" you forgot the name of as well as ABSOLUTELY NO sources to back up your allegation that King was involved with men? So you're just gonna go right ahead and put those accusations out there anyway huh???? Well......I'm a little disappointed that you'd do that.

Yes but look how it took a brother like NICK CANNON to come to Kevin's rescue and point out the hypocrisy of some of the same Caucasian women like Chelsea Handler and Amy Schumer who calling Hart "homophobic" but were actually using gay slurs in the past THEMSELVES ! https://www.essence.com/celebrity/nick-cannon-defends-kevin-hart-over-homophobic-tweets/ I have much respect for Nick Cannon for this one. @Chevdove Chev Did you know that the United States and other Western nations are now THREATENING to cut aid and humanitarian resources off from many African and Carribean nations unless they change their policies and start accepting homosexuality and transgenderism in their societies? Homosexuality is being actively promoted toward people of color in both Africa and Asia.

I'll tell you why.....right AFTER you tell me why if Malik (whom you still call "Malcolm") "told it like it was" and was the example of a real man who reminded you of a father figure then why the hell didn't YOU join the movement so that you could either MEET a man like that or support it simply to encourage them to keep producing more men like that. Don't wait 50 years later when Malik has gone off the scene to start praising him as a real "man's man". You had your opportunity to do it when he was alive. The only reason you CLAIM to respect and admire him now is because he's gone and not on this site calling you out on your hypocrisy. As to your other question....... Besides the man you CLAIM to admire so much, Elijah and the NOI produced: Muhammad Ali one of the world's greatest boxers Naim Akbar one of the world's greatest AfroAmerican psychologists Kareem Adul Jabbar one of the world's greatest basketball players Minister Louis Farrakhan who in 1995 organized the largest demonstration ever to be held in Washington D.C. The Black Panthers came out of the Nation of Islam The fact that so many Black people call eachother "brother" and "sister" today is as a result of the Nation of Islam. The fact that so many Black people call eachother "Black" today instead of "colored" or "Negro" is as a result of the influence of the Nation of Islam Much of Rap and Hiphop and artists like the Wu Tang Clan, Ice Cube, and Public Enemy are a product of those who've accepted the teachings of the Nation of Islam. Ungrateful woman...... You need to STOP getting it twisted and recognize that it was ELIJAH MUHAMMAD and his organization who cleaned up the man you CLAIM you admire today.....stopped him from being a pimp, drug dealer, and abuser of women and helped make him the man the world remembers today. If you wanna start condemning organizations that abuse young children, take your ass to the nearest Catholic church and START THERE and perhaps you may have just a little more credibility with me.

Perhaps you're right. I haven't been to Africa yet so I'm not sure how the majority of people on that continent actually look. However going by most of the Africans I've seen and met HERE in the United States....they tend to have nicer skin and better physiques that most of the AfroAmericans I've seen. Keep in mind I keep saying "MOST" because I've seen a lot of beautiful fit AfroAmericans and some busted Africans, lol.

Chev A CHILD SHOULD NOT BE FORCED TO HAVE SEX WITH A GROWN ASS MAN! Hey, I agree 100% And if any man is found to have forced himself on a child sexually he should be punished.

Del It is speculation about whether both Malcolm X and MLK had homosexual experiences. Well WHO is doing the "speculating"? Again, can you provide me a source.....preferably a more credible source than Gay Edgar, lol? I've only read in ONE BOOK that came out decades after Malik's departure that accuses him of some sort of homosexual encounter, and only then it merely IMPLIES that he "went into a room with a man and locked the door for the night" or something of that nature if my memory serves me correct. Other than that book, nothing else. WHERE did you hear about Malik or Martin engaging in HOMOSEXUAL relationships? Chev I can understand part of what you say here! I feel that there is a serious problem with how we as BLACK AMERICANS have been conditioned to go against the BLACK MALE LEADERSHIP! But, on the other hand, if Black men have bought into that old timey DOMINATE BLACK WOMEN SYNDROME, then they do not need to be leaders. When we speak of leadership....the onus is on the leader and what they do. When we speak of domination...the onus is on the followers and it implies that those followers are being FORCED into their position. A good leader doesn't have to FORCE his/her followers into submission. If they are a good leader the people will naturally respect their leadership and will WANT to follow them. Also...... Keep in mind when I think of Black male leadership I don't think of ALL Black men dominating and ruling over ALL Black women. I think of a few QUALIFIED Black men (along with qualified Black women to help) leading and ruling over the majority of both Black males and females with justice. Just like you can't exclude the female, neither can you exclude the male....which is what many are trying to do today. There is no properly leadership without the influence and input of BOTH genders male and female. There must be a balance.

Chev Naaaaah Alice honey, you aren't going to take me down THAT rabbit hole......LOL. I'm going to focus on MY POINT that Elijah Muhammad and the Lost Found Nation of Islam was one of the most effective forces in reforming and advancing the socio-economnic status of the masses of poor Black America in the 20th century and his personal indiscretions will not change nor tarnish that fact. All this about discussion about which age is the most appropriate for marriage and how soon should a female have sex and puberty and menstration and all of that.....I'm not going there. Just like I told our brother Nubian as he tries to engage me over the relevance of African traditions, I'm not going there. I'll sit back and observe, but don't expect me to actively participate.

Well stop screaming...lol. Perhaps I answered too quickly and didn't grasp the full meaning of your question so I will RE-answer it. If that man.....or any man....sexually FORCES himself on my teenaged daughter I would seriously injure or kill that man. Does that answer your question?