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Cynique My argument is not a straw man one. You are, and always have been, coming from a place as the "expert" on the sexual behavior of black men which you contrast to that of European men who you claim don't have the hearty sexual appetite of black men. Yes your argument IS a strawman, because you are attributing words and positions that I have not said or endorsed. Can you find anywhere me "claiming to be an expert" or White or Black male sexuality? If not, how can you attibute that claim to me and then proceed to argue on it's validity? 　 That ongoing attitude is what i keep in mind when arguing with you. You continue to complain how this country's culture stifles the natural sexuality of black people whose African blood makes them polygamous, according to you. So you are focused on white people whose values you don't want imposed on black people in this society, because you assume their sexual habits are different from those of black people. It's more than just an assumption. If Africans and Europeans had the same sexual habits then you would find the same sexual and marital customs independantly between the two respective continents Africa and Europe. However historically before having major contact with eachother history has shown that MONOGAMY and HOMOSEXUALITY and CELIBACY were common sexual characteristics in Europe that were even encouraged in various European cultures and religions. While in Africa POLYGAMY was widely practiced and encouraged among men who could afford to do so and even African religions permitted this. 　 And, since you are aware of the mixed blood lines are people of color in this country then why do you continue to want to characterize them as polygamous Africans? Why don't you just mind your own business and stop trying to tell these assimilated slave descendants what comes natural to them. You're so busy trying to portray black men as super studs that you can't conceive of the idea of that sexuality varies from person to person and is a human issue. Did I say there was no difference between individuals INSIDE and OUTSIDE of different races and ethnicities or that all Black men were superstuds? Or is these more strawman arguments that you are attempting to pin on me to divert from the legitimacy of my actual focus? No need to answer/respond. That question was rhetorical as I already know the answer, lol. Carry on with your Scare Crow making......

Cynique And you are making the mistake of thinking that you can speak for married white men inasmuch as you are assuming that they don't desire sex with other women from time to time. Who claimed that married White men DON'T desire sex with other women (or men) from time to time? Did you read where I said that, or are you simply MAKING UP a statement and attributing it to me simply to argue against it, as usual? Despite your strawman assumptions, I'm not focused on what White men do or don't do sexually, as long as they don't try to FORCE it on my community. My focus is on what's best for AfroAmericans.....both male and female. Furthermore, what you refer to as "Afro-American" men are hybrid men of color who have mixed blood as a result of the miscegenation spawned by slavery Thanks for tell us what we ALREADY know. If you would pay attention to what I write instead of just cherry picking points for disagreement, you would have acknowledged the fact that instead of always using the terms "Black" or "African" for our people which suggests a pure racial stock......I usually use the term "AfroAmerican" as an ETHNICITY because it encompasses all descendants of American slavery who are of African descent regardless of the varying amounts of African ancestry they may have. so you aren't qualified to speak with authority on this subject since you insist on applying what you have decided are African customs to these men. And it's not like black men are so oversexed that they are harassing women in the work place more than white ones are. The fact that you call being polygamous "oversexed" is a clear example of the problem with AfroAmericans taking on the Caucasian mindset and moral code. How do we know that men who desire sex with multiple women are the ones who have a problem that need to be fixed? Who's to say that men who only desire ONE woman may infact be the ones with somethin wrong with THEM? ....like a weak physical disposition or imbalanced hormones that may be affecting their sex drive? It' s a known fact that for most men, when they get elderly their sex drive tends to diminish as well as other aspect of their health. So it could be that NATURE says a strong sex drive in which a man wants to run around having sex with multiple women is actually a GOOD thing and a symbol of robust health.

Delano Merry Christmas Thank you. But I don't celebrate pagan holidays; nor do most of the people I roll with. Now will you please and kindly answer my questions. Those being, and I will repeat: 1. Is the Hansel and Gretel story a myth? 2. Is the Oedipus story a myth? 3. And if NOT, can you please share with us some CLEAR EXAMPLES of myths? 　 Cynique There is no difference between the nouns "response" and "answer" unless an adjective such as "right" or "wrong" modifies them. Wrong again....... Let me give you a COMPENSATORY EDUCATION on these two different words: The fact that "response" and "answer" are TWO DIFFERENT WORDS alone qualifies there being a difference between them. All answers are responses, but not all responses are answers. A response is merely a REACTION to a question, but it doesn't necessarily answer it....while an answer is a response that focuses on RESOLVING the question being asked whether that answer is correct or incorrect. For example..... If I ask a woman if she's married and she puts her hand over her mouth and blushes...that's a RESPONSE but it doesn't answer my question. However if I ask her if she's married and she says "no" then that is an ANSWER.

Cynique Depends on who the person is. In your case, you being yourself is so mediocre that you "wanna-be" something better. But you don't have what it takes. So, the compound adjective "wanna-be" applies to the self who you are stuck with being If that is the case......lol....then there is no need for you to criticize or insult me nor anything I post. Why waste time criticizing and insulting a person who is stuck where they are and can't do any better than what they'e doing? The wisest thing to do with a person like that is to just compliment them and encourage them on any good that they manage to do.

Cynique All you had to say was "they" were either Correction: I didn't "have to" say anything. I CHOSE to respond to you because I know how frustrated you can get when I don't give you enough attention.

1. You didn't give me an answer, you gave me a RESPONSE.....there's a difference. 2. Librarians "git paid" to help people find books, not to educated them on their findings. Now are you going to answer my questions, or do I have to get Robert Mueller to fly out there and interrogate the answers out of you?

Well.....SHOULDN'T a person "wanna-be" self, since that's who they already are ???

I have one...... Lol, now what word do I have to look up to find YOUR answers to my questions?

Why would a library have YOUR answers to my questions?

Del..... Are the Hansel and Gretel and the Oedipus Rex stories MYTHS? I'd prefer an actual answer to that question rather than a finger wagging lecture, lol. And if not, can you give me some clear examples of myths that I may examine them and see the value in them for myself.

You said it was a fairy tale, but is the story of Hansel and Gretel an actual "myth"? And is the Oedipus Rex story also a myth?

Troy Has anyone read the epic Gilgamesh? I have. It's been awhile, but I remember it being a Sumerian text about the making of a monsterous human being and the flood that the "gods" brought to destroy a portion of humanity.

Exactly what statement did I make that {was so above your level of understanding that you didn't grasp it and } you THOUGHT was stupid?

Everything can be improved upon. I don't know about Troy's understanding, but can you make it a little more clear for me?

Lol, don't get too spooked out. I actually posted it BEFORE your explanation but I figured you wouldn't notice it so I deleted it and RE-posted it after your last post.

Alison Felix is sexy as hell. I thought Flo-Jo was sexy too. When I was younger they featured track and field nearly every weekend on television, especially on NBC. But when more and more AfroAmerican athletes started dominating the games all of a sudden they stopped showing it so much and now all you see on television on the weekend is swimming or football.

Delano What EXACTLY do you mean that "a myth is something true that never happened"?? Please break this down as SIMPLY and as LUCIDLY as you can.

Troy You're right that ALL of us are effected, but everyone's not effected in the same way. Kind of like alcohol. Caucasians drink alcohol and gave it to the Native Americans....but that same alcohol that causes most Caucasians to celebrate and get happy ended up devastating Native American society and turning many of them into depressed alcoholics. Likewise...... Caucasian culture and values like monogamy and the nuclear family have proven to be good for many Caucasians and helped them to live stable and productive lives, but has also proven NOT to work for most Africans and has resulted in broken homes and dysfunctional families where the women don't trust the men and the men are forced to lie in order to be sexually fullfilled. Human sexuality is a complex combination genetics and environment it always has been. If there is a greater incidence of homosexuality it probably is all the chemicals put in our environment and food that is the culprit, not some evil cabal white racists. I agree. But the question is who put the harmful chemcials IN the environment in the first place? 　 Cynique My response to your generalization about what "most" African American men want is what most African American men, who are racial hybrids as a result of slavery, want is one wife. They may all be playas when single but once they decided upon their own that they want to marry and have kids, they are satisfied with one mate because this works better when you don't live in a grass hut in the jungle. Otherwise, they remain bachelors and play the field. Once again, you're right AND wrong. Yes, most AfroAmerican men want a good woman at home once they are ready to settle down.....but that's so that we can have a stable home to raise our offspring in and come home to. But MOST (certainly not all) still have an active sex drive and desire sex with other women from time to time. They just don't want any relationship and very little emotional attachments; those are reserved for his "main" or his wife. You're making the mistake of assuming you know what men want or how they feel by looking strictly at their behavior or what they are "allowed" to get away with. 　 All you have to do is to look around you and observe how everybody in America does their own thing. If everyone in America were doing their own thing and expresing themselves as they wished, there wouldn't be so many "support groups" and psychologists catering to people who feel they are unable to express their "real" selves in their environment.

Polygamy for one. Most men of African descent are POLYGAMOUS by nature and Christian/Western society attempts to SUPPRESS this natural desire by either making it illegal or making it shameful and socially unacceptable.

I wouldn't worry if I were you. Everyone already knows how IN-credible you are, lol.

About as much as your question has to do with the subject of this thread.

Cynique And you want to replace these white lies and myths with black ones Mythology has it's place but I want to replace lies with TRUTH, which has no color. And the reason folks on the internet say what you accused them of above could have something to do with the idea that until "niccas" get scientifically superior enough to dismantle white supremacy, then there's no reason to believe they are exceptional enough to supplant existing scientific theories. You're actually correct....lol....for a change.

Cynique 　 In the ghetto culture, black people do "what comes naturally" and ignore "white" values, and the result is not positive........... In reality, blacks have their own personal code of conduct, and that accounts for the class divide among them This is not true. Except for a relatively few independant minds, most AfroAmericans whether they are in the ghetto or living in the suburbs may not have a Caucasian standing over them directly telling them what to do BUT most of them are Christians and heavily involved in the Church. And so Caucasian values are injected into the AfroAmerican mindset by proxy THROUGH Christianity.....especially the Western European versions. On top of that, most people in society get their morals from LAWS; they determine what is "right" or "wrong" based on what is currently legal or illegal.

Troy Who are "they?" The USUAL suspects...... The same ones who promoted NWA and gangsta rap. The White Supremists who control the music industry. A lot of people who get tatoos all over their body and face have a mentality where they don't care and don't expect to even live long enough to regret what they've done. Most don't don't see themselve making it past 30 anyway. That's why they run around saying Y.O.L.O. Cynique And who are "they" trying to disgrace? The monkeys or the black youth??? Atleast the monkey is acting the way it SHOULD and is EXPECTED to act. Monkeys have been behaving that way for millions of years. You can't find any record of AfroAmerican youth looking or acting the way these two do 60, 50, or even 30 years ago.

Troy Cynique is half-right....lol. Horus came before Jesus and BOTH of them are Greek names. But like you said, Horus is the Greek version of "Heru" of Kemet.....where the term "Hero" comes from by the way. Some claim that the story of Jesus comes from the story of Heru but having read various versions of the story of Ausar, Auset, and Heru I see very little resemblance. I believe that the story of Jesus is BASED ON the life of a man who did live at the time named "Yashua" who taught, performed wonders, and challenged Roman authority but was eventually arrested.