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BEYONCE SHAKIRA These two women are SUPPOSEDLY of two different races...... But can anyone point out any actually PHYSICAL DIFFERENCES between the two? I don't care what anyone says......Beyoncé IS NOT BLACK! Too many AfroAmericans have been brainwashed into accepting ANYONE who calls themselves Black AS Black....and it's creating problems in the community. Beyoncé is being promoted and paid by racist entertainment executives because of her light skin and she's being encouraged to dye her hair blonde, probably straighten it, and wear all types of weaves and extensions to FURTHER brainwash Black youth.

Yes, culturally speaking men are usually programmed to be more aggressive AND they are naturally more aggressive because men are predominantly higher in the hormone testosterone which ALSO makes people more aggressive. My point is it's not an EITHER OR....it's BOTH.

For the sake of conversation.............. What's the problem with Jews....male or female...running for office?

I brought up the Nation if Islam as an example of how men putting on suits and ties DOES NOT necessarily mean you're trying to be White, because the Nation of Islam teaches that White people are a race of devils....lol.....so they're obviously not trying to be like them. Now it's a well known social as well as scientific fact that men tend to be more aggressive than women and it's been that way since recorded humanity. It's also well known that testosterone.....among other things.....causes one to be more assertive and aggressive. This is just one of MANY examples of how biology influences sociology and behavior. But if you want to continue to believe that the only reason men tend to be more aggressive than women....have deeper voices, have penises, have larger muscles, and can grow beards.....all simply because of "programming" then you're well within your right to do so....lol.

I remember Claudine.....and that bubble bath scene. Infact, there was a couple of nude scenes in the PG movie. But like I said in the other thread, this was the 70s where sex and nudity was more appreciated in society. It's a shame how sexually conservative the society has become since the 70s I remember the first time I drove to Chicago on my own and ended up GETTING LOST in the Cabrini Green projects.....lol. I needed gas and had been to the Northside which was shockingly White and segregated and a Black security guard warned me not to stop and get any gas up there because Black people get attacked on the Northside at night, so I drives down the Dan Ryan to what I thought was downtown and ended up smack in the middle of the projects with prostitutes hanging around and helicopters flying around shining lights through windows.....lol. Detroit's housing projects obvioulsy can't be compared to New York's or Chicago's but we had a few high rises of our own that were either torn down or coverted into apartments. Diana Ross and the Supremes actually grew up in the Brewsters Projects on the Near East side...but much of it has been torn down now. Actually I support the IDEA of public housing projects. I think more of them should be built. The only problem is when Roosevelt started them and he passed on, they were ALLOWED to fall into chaos because they weren't properly maintained or secured. Anything will fall apart if you don't properly maintain it...even a mansion.

It sounds like Kanye is going (already went?) off the rails....lol. But after hearing what he said in context, I KIND OF understood what he meant or was trying to say. It was more of a message of responsibility in the sense that Black people couldn't help being taken captive and brought to America as slaves but during those 400 years you had plenty of time to think about it and choose to become I can't find his entire set of tweets dealing with the issue right now, the only thing they're putting on line was his "slavery is a choice tweet". Kanye isn't helping himself with his silliness, but clearly much of his words and actions are taken out of contexts and isolated to make him look more irrational than he already is.

I wouldn't DO what R. Kelly is allegedely doing, but I don't think what he's doing should be demonized. Men using their power and money to attract a harem of young ladies for their sexual pleasures has been going on since the beginning of humanity. What the man is doing is NATURAL. America used to be one of the most sexually liberated nations on the planet with all types of sexual experiments and orgies going on in the 60s and 70s. What Kelly is doing would have barely raised an eyebrown 50 years ago. But since the Regan Era when an avalance of conservative cultural ideology began to sweep across the nation.....along with the AIDS epidemic.......sex and all forms of it outside of traditional marriage began to be demonized again.

Mel Erm nope... your premise was black women emulating white women by changing their appearance.. It doesn't matter to what degree - whether slicking down hair with pomenade or dying your hair blond - and lighting your skin and wearing a YT's suit to be appealing to YT... it's your stance, so degrees don't matter. And it was you who brought NoI into the equation. I'm not sure what you're refering to by "slicking your hair down with pomade".....lol. But if you think I'm unfairly targetting Black women and saying ONLY THEY are trying to be White, ofcourse Black men who relax their hair and texturize it are trying to do the same. During the 30s and 40s and 50s when Black men used to get their hair "conked" was an ever better example. But physically altering your appearance by lightening your skin and bleaching your hair is NO WAY in the same catergory as wearing a suit or speaking proper English. You're trying to muddy up the argument......lol....and it won't work. My point is biology is a hard science and not to be mixed with sociology. Well your point is wrong, because the two go togther. Biology heavily influences sociology. Women are biologically made to produce milk during and after they give birth to their children....which is why MEN DON'T BREAST FEED. If we went with your argument, men would be just as able to breastfeed their children as women.....if society would only allow. K2 Lol..... Man, I really have no idea what point you're making or trying to make. What's your POSITION in this discussion? Troy You wrote in an earlier post that you thought Odell was trying to be a white women. I clearly recall reading that. I don't know, you may have indeed read it.....but you didn't read it from ME....because I never wrote it. The only thing I wrote about Odell was this: _____________________________________________ Troy I forgot to mention back when you sarcastically asked was Odell Beckham trying to be a White woman...... Believe it or not MANY young Black men today are both consciously and subconsciously trying to be White women! They feel being a "man" is too hard and comes with too much stress and frankly, many of them are confused on what manhood is. They look at how White women are pampered in this society and how they seem to be able to say and do anything they want and everyone comes to their rescue and comforts them and does favors for them and growing up watching this......many young Black men have come to the conclusion that life as a WHITE WOMAN is much easier than trying to grow up and be a Black man. __________________________________________________________ Now I do edit most of my posts.....almost always within the first 15 or 20 minutes of posting them. But I stand by my words. If said that i thought Odell was trying to be a White woman then it would STILL be posted up there! I suggest you re-read our entire exchange and perhaps you'll find a statement you may have misunderstood.

Mel Ancient KMT wasn't the beginning of civilization... Did anyone on here say it was? I believe it was just the TAIL END of a much more grand Black civilization that existed millions of years. By the way, cleopatra was african and greek OK? Thanks for telling me what I already knew and , that's not quite the way I would "word" it. African is a race and Greek is a nationality. Perhaps African and Caucasian would be a better choice of words, but yes she was mixed race. What makes some men more aggressive is psychological programming. But like I said, I don't mix biology with sociology.... Human pathological tendencies have too many causes. I suppose the only reason women have babies and almost no men can is due to "psychological programming" too.....lol. Look, psychological programming is only a PART of why men univesally tend to be more aggressive than women. A much greater part of it is the fact that they have a preponderance of testosterone which MAKES ONE more assertive and dominant. 　 "Atavistic residues of aggressive behavior prevailing in animal life, determined by testosterone, remain attenuated in man and suppressed through familial and social inhibitions. However, it still manifests itself in various intensities and forms from; thoughts, anger, verbal aggressiveness, competition, dominance behavior, to physical violence. Testosterone plays a significant role in the arousal of these behavioral manifestations in the brain centers involved in aggression and on the development of the muscular system that enables their realization." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3693622/ Biology HEAVILY INFLUENCES the sociology. 　 　 And that's because there's some kind of glitch on the board - so when you quote a comment- in one thread after just responding to another thread - it merges the quotes no matter where you're responding. It happened to me earlier but I caught and just deleted the response . Huh?????? I'm not sure what you're talking about but again.... I PREDICTED that you would use the fact that both males and females have both testosterone and estrogent (at varying amounts) to prove that there were no differences between men and women.....and you pretty much did so with your above statement. I'm not sure what "glitch" you're talking about. K2 　 I was shocked that (in Papua New Guinea) homosexuality, promiscuity was part of their culture, rampant actually. That young women receive gifts from their fathers to adore their bodies to be attracted to young men for early sex. And that young men are encouraged to engage in oral sex with older men for complete manhood; to avoid keep his sexual desires in check. Homosexuality exists in every society, but in natural conditions probably less than 5% of the population of any society is homosexual. I believe it to be a natural form of birth control to keep the population in check. But Western society takes it and promotes it and encourages it to the point of it being destructive and unnatural. Palestinians, they to be of claim African and Greek descent. Palestinians or PHILLUSTEENS (as they call themselves) are related to the Berber peoples of North Africa. Both groups are mixed today, but originally both groups were WHITE PEOPLE from the Greek islands and were known as "sea people". Apparently, they didn't want an American wearing a Press badge taking pictures of the Prince gambling. Funny you never mentioned anything about a "press badge" or you working for the press UNTIL Mel mentioned her career in journalism....lol. I thought Muslims weren't supposed to gamble....what are casinos doing overthere??

Troy Del my name is not Pioneer, the new information forced me to change my original position. Besides the issue of of RACE....of which this "new information" you have yet to present to me despite me repeated requests...lol.... PLEASE SHARE AN EXAMPLE of me not changing my original position when new information was presented to me.

Del When I was talking about what White women put up with from White men, I was talking COLLECTIVELY. Meaning as a GROUP they tend to put up with their men abusing them, forcing them to have sex with animals, and killing them. Obviously not all of them get killed by their husbands. But collectively, many of them understand this possibility but still continue to pledge their loyalty in the name of White supremacy. Troy If it were up to some Evangelical and religious extemists here in the United States, women HERE would be wearing the exact same thing. Look at the Amish women and Mormons and some of the other extremist groups that live way out in the desert and rural areas of the West and how they have their women dressed like something out of the 1800s. Infact, you can look at most NUNS and how they dress in the Catholic Church and tell that they aren't too far away from what the Muslims are doing in the East.

But males and females have them at different levels with men being testosterone dominant and females being estrogen dominant and THAT causes the sexual differences and the gender differences between most men and women. ......that so many feminists seem NOT to understand, lol.

Because your consciousness doesn't die with your physical body.

Mel ESTROGEN does not make women submissive It's a hormone! Testosterone is a hormone too....and it MAKES MEN MORE AGGRESSIVE. Whether or not estrogen makes women submissive is irrelevant. The fact is men have far more testosterone than women and THAT'S what makes men more aggressive. 　 But here's the kicker women have both our testosterone and estrogen hormones as do men and they both fluctuate in varying levels.. Any imbalance in those hormones then yes we may experience physical problems - but please stop mixing biology with sociology... gender stereotypes in this day and age is just plain ignorant. LMAO!!! The REAL KICKER is the fact that you just made this statement ONLY MINUTES after I PREDICTED YOU WOULD!!!!!! In another thread I said: "Next thing you'll be saying the concept of male and female doesn't exist because ALL HUMANS have both testosterone and estrogen. " 　 https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/5137-pulitzer-prize-winning-emcee/?page=2 AND YOU BASICALLY SAID IT 2 OR 3 MINUTES LATER. IN THIS THREAD....LOL. Man oh man..... I don't understand why I can predict people so much yet I'm still not rich (yet). I don't understand it...lol. 　 and I blame the Ancient Africans for all this bullshit. When we were an egalitarian society , a true civilization and ran the neandarthals into the caves ..life was good. When some of the Africans decided they wanted to be nobility it was the beginning of the end ... we get patriarchy which led to slavery - and coveting and stealing and corruption... ((Pioneer holds up a an index finger)) Uhhhh actually..... Ancient Egypt or Kemet thrived under male kings, but when they started getting female leaders like Cleopatra....that's when the civilization collapsed and ended up being conquered. African society was more egalitarian than Europe...true. But the men were still leaders. We African became more matriarchal.....that welcoming nature of women allowed more outside invaders to come in and take advantage of the resources and eventually conquer the people.

Mel @Pioneer1 Now I know you're just being contrary - - Women shave their unwanted hairs everywhere they don't want it INCLUDING THEIR MUSTACHES AND SIDEBURNS!!! - But yes, beards are rare which is why I said all humans grow sideburns. Some women can grow sideburns that wrap around their ears to the nape of their neck - a Good Waxing helps them out though. I'm not talking about SOME women, I'm talking about MOST women and men. SOME women are sexually attracted to other women, MOST aren't. If you want to start picking out exceptions to every rule pretty soon there won't be any rules or boundaries and no facts would stand. Next thing you'll be saying the concept of male and female doesn't exist because ALL HUMANS have both testosterone and estrogen. As for the Nation of Islam and its followers; their founder looked like a Sicilian (YT) man and some historical accounts actually say he was a yt man. And NoI followers dress just like him. Low cut slick hair is european and suits are a european design. Now maybe if they had shaved bald head and wore robes, then we'd have men looking like their African ancestors but - NoI members look like they've assimilated by emulating YT's design. Our African ascendants didn't wear suits in any of their old paintings or carvings. Nor did they have slick hair - they shave their heads bald. The Rastafarians , the other African religious sect believe we aren't supposed to touch our hair at all. So when you bring NOI into the equation, you're definitely wandering into the trying to look YT territory. I can't speak on why the Nation of Islam wear suits and ties, perhaps they are trying to look professional or presentable to Black people who were raise in Western culture. At any rate, I think a person putting on the clothes of a White person is still a far cry from one who actually ALTERS THEIR PHYSICAL BODY to look like one. In other words, I'm not going to charge a Black person who chooses to wear suit and tie with the same accusation of wanting to be White as someone who goes so far as to actually DYE their hair blonde and use skin lightening cream. One is clearly more extreme and pathological than the other. As far as the Rastafari...... I wouldn't call them an African religion, but more like a Bible believing religions with elements of Christianity and Judaism. The religion didn't begin in Africa but in Jamaica and only makes references to Africa.....Ethiopia in specific.

Well I say it's harmful...... It's not harmful that women want to be treated fairly and protected from abuse.....that's justice. But what is harmful is WHO is pushing feminism and WHY they're pushing it. Feminism in the Black community didn't come FROM Black people, it came FROM racist White people who are attempting to FURTHER manipulate and disrupt and destablize the Black community in general and the Black family in particular. Racist White women who PRETEND to be strong and independent will sit up and tell Black and Brown women and girls that they don't need men in their lives and that they should stand up to their men, confront them, argue with them, fight them, and leave them for the slightest insults. Yet THESE SAME White women after doing all this preaching to Black and Brown females will THEMSELVES go back home to the suburbs and by good little housewives to THEIR husbands! Their husbands will beat them, make them have sex with animals, and even kill them and chop them up but they'll STILL remain loyal to these men! But if a Black woman catches her Black boyfriend having sex with another woman she accuses him of being SATAN INCARNATE! That's what feminism has done to the Black community. Don't forget that over 53% of White women....the same ones pumping their fists in the air claiming feminism.....voted for Donald Trump! Some of the same women that were marching on Washington D.C. in 2017, voted for Trump in 2016! If you go on most college campuses today what you'll see if few Black males but plenty of White males with girls of ALL RACES studying, partying, and having a good time together. This is what "feminism" is really about. Prying women of color out of the arms and away from men of color and bringing them to White men both young and old to enjoy.

Despite all that I said about Bill Cosby and not giving him a pass for sexually assaulting women...... Something about this guilty verdict isn't sitting right. I don't like it. I can't explain why I don't like it....but I just don't.

K2 The way you think, and speak, Pioneer1, would cause one to deduce you are White. But, I trust brother Troy's insistence you are not a White man, or a troll. First you accused me of being a gay mason. Now you're accusing me of being a White troll....lol. Based on your BASELESS accusations, one could come to the conclusion that you're a paranoid schizophrenic who misses his medication from time to time....lol. But I won't accuse you of being one..... I just want to figure out something from you. Since you seem to be obsessed with the notion of common sense and insists that it's universal. Please give me a short list of COMMON SENSE IDEALS and BELIEFS that are shared among everyone across the globe regardless of race or culture........ 　 Troy Pioneer I wonder if you would tell Odell to his face that you thought he was a white woman? Why would I say that about him to his face OR behind his back? And I'm curious as to the reason you asked me what book I was reading. I thought it was leading to something.....lol. Mel 😝@Pioneer1 actually sideburns can be achieved naturally and grown Naturally by HUMANS of all races - but mostly in women because women tend to grow sideburns ONLY since most women have a more difficult time growing a beard - which is exactly what sideburns attach to if a man allows his face hair naturally I'm not sure what point you're making, but few women can actually grow SIDEBURNS because sideburns are actually parts of a BEARD where they meet the temple and most women can't grow beards. If you google the image of sideburns right now the vast majority of images you get will be male. Women with sideburns are only about as common as women with beards.....lol. but most men trim their sideburns and shave their beards - for aesthetic reasons - dare I say to look more like white men 😱😝 I'd be careful saying "most men" without adding THIS CULTURE to it. Most men in THIS CULTURE shave their beards because of it's ties to professionalism, but in Muslim and Hindu cultures where there are billions of men collectively.....beards are quite common. Further...... I'm not so sure being without a beard puts you in the "wanna be white " category. For one thing look at the Nation of Islam: These men go without beards and they are almost as far from wanting to be White men as you get...lol. Also, of all the races.....Caucasians whether they're in Europe or the Middle East are among the hairiest races and Caucasian men tend to grow the longest beards and have the most body hair. Even as youth, you see a White man in a pair of shorts and you see all types of hair legs...lol.

Troy I forgot to mention back when you sarcastically asked was Odell Beckham trying to be a White woman...... Believe it or not MANY young Black men today are both consciously and subconsciously trying to be White women! They feel being a "man" is too hard and comes with too much stress and frankly, many of them are confused on what manhood is. They look at how White women are pampered in this society and how they seem to be able to say and do anything they want and everyone comes to their rescue and comforts them and does favors for them and growing up watching this......many young Black men have come to the conclusion that life as a WHITE WOMAN is much easier than trying to grow up and be a Black man.

The question I have is, how much responsibility does the Black Church have in the spread of HIV? -Teaching and encouraging Black people to practice morality that was invented by Caucasians which basically leads to sexual supression and deception. -Making Black people feel so guilty about sex and sexual encounters to the point that they feel they DESERVE any type of sexually related disease they get and therefor are reluctant to find a cure. If Black people were smart and organized in the way they SHOULD be by now....WE would have came up with a cure for HIV and the other diseases our community have been afflicted with instead of waiting on White people to come up with them. Infact, we would have had our own hospitals and medical centers by now. Man......... As I type this, tears actually come up in my eyes just envisioning what we COULD HAVE been and how much progress we COULD HAVE made by now if we were smart and industrious enough. I don't know if everything can be blamed on racism or if Black stupidity is seriously a major part of the problem. Why, why, why......

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K2 Common sense isn't common to everyone. I personally believe that what's common sense to most White men isn't common sense to most Black men.....and probably differs between Native American and East Asian men. What's "common sense" to you really depends on your cultural up bringing and the structure of your mind. Not only because they "feel like it," but also because it could be part of their indoctrination into womanhood. May I ask you, again, as to why you choose 'sideburns' as part of the image you admire? Did you not say, sideburns reflect 'manliness,' or were you mimicking White boys of "love fest hippie age?" Sideburns can be achieved NATURALLY and are grown NATURALLY by men of most races. Any man who can grow hair and a beard can grow sideburns. The only men who can't may be Native Americans who generally don't grow beards. 　 　 　 Troy when was the last time you read a book and what was the title? About a couple months ago......Wheat Belly!

There are some things I trust males over females. There are other things I trust females over males. Usually when it comes to financial business I trust females over males because so many men tend to be so greedy and ruthless when it comes to making money. But when it comes to sexual issues I usually trust males over females because many women are more confused and more deceptive in their true sexual feelings. It's not necessarily their fault, but it's the way society forces them to be. But to show you how deep it is, I know a lot of women who would rather see their brothers, husbands, and boyfriends POOR AND IGNORANT.....broke to the point that THEY would have to support them.....rather than see them wealthy and prosperous and independent. Why? Because of the underlaying fear that if these Black men get right then they may leave THEM and to go a White woman to give all their money to.....like so many have unfortunatly done. But this fear leads to mistrust and the inability for so many Black men and women to help eachother become successful.

Mel Ok, then you understand that this is EXACTLY what you are doing when you represent YOUR experiences and observations as truth. At least the studies that contain the statistics include an abstract, raw data and , methodology of how they've come to the conclusion. I understand the point that you're making that you'd rather trust a systemic method of collecting data rather that simply trusting heresay. My issue is WHO the data is coming from and how trustworthy are they. What are their motives for collecting the data in the first place and do they have a history or presenting false data? You can't call all data or information someone or some institution presents to you - "facts". Because all of it may not be true. You yourself just said: "Since I spent several years in broadcast news - I don't trust anything I hear on the radio/television. I understand how broadcast news works" You KNOW data and figures can be manipulated and skews and out right fabricated depending on the motive of whoever is presenting them so you out of everyone in here should have the most understanding of my skepticism! So unless a TRUSTWORTHY person or people are the ones presenting the facts then why should you trust them? 　 Del Of you hear news story from credible sources you have more confidence it is true. However even on science or scientific experiments there is bias. EXCELLENT point. If the person or people who are presenting this information to you (I don't call them facts unless they've been verified) have a HISTORY of being dishonest and bias...why would you believe their data? 　 　 　 K2 After all, can't Black women attain their own identity of beauty, if only for fun, without trying to be some-one else? And my answer is.....OFCOURSE they can. And they do, with styles like twists and locks and braids. But when they dye their hair BLONDE this it's a clear indication that they are attempting to present themselves as closer to "White".....whether they're doing this consciously or subconsciously. The same goes for when they "relax" and straighten out their kinky hair. It's clear that they see straighter hair as more attractive because of it's association with Whiteness.

Troy Rather than having me "prove" the validity of the data others have already collected, why don't YOU prove anything you've said. I've already asked you twice to provide proof that white women were the first to dye their hair blue or that Black women dye they hair blue to be like white women. It's history. It happened in the distant past and is no longer tangible. Unless I had videos of the event, I couldn't prove it any more than you could DISPROVE it. However based on evidence such as art work, paintings, and historical references we know of no cases where Black women either in Africa or the Americas were dyed their hair blue. Only in the United States AFTER White women started doing it atleast back in the 50s, do we find Black women starting to dye their hair blue. There are no reports, art work, sculptures, paintings, ect....in Africa of Black women making their hair BLONDE. Again, the only reports of Black women who dye their hair blonde is in the Americas AFTER coming into contact with White women.