Pioneer1

Troy and Del I'm suprised neither of you pledged. I thought most professional Black people pledged for the career connections those organizations offered. You're right, the Black fraternities are just modeled after the Greek ones. Just like the Black "Prince Hall" Masons are modeled after the White "Blue lodge". (are you listening K2....lol) 　 　 "My man" K2 I REALLY HIT THE NERVE THIS TIME. I thought you didn't want to stand too close to me......lol. Why are you trying to feel all up on my "nerves"?????? I tried leaving this alone And I KNOW why you can't......lol. why would you post a bare chested gay male to make your point I didn't know Tyson Beckford was gay, lol. But more to your question...... Why would you ask a GAY MAN why he'd post a picture of a bare chested man. What kind of foolish question is that????? Think about that...... The man is gay...meaning likes other men...and you wanna sit up there asking a SILLY ass question like that. Use your....uhhh hmmm....."head".....man....lol. and why do you find it necessary to defend yourself? Another silly question. Why WOULDN'T a person want to defend themselves? Self preservation is one of the first laws of nature and self defense is right up there....lol. 　 　 This goes to my argument with (European feature) White Jews, who claim to be the original Israelites. The original Jews ARE Caucasian. And the original Israelites were or atleast represented the White or Caucasian race. But Moses was a Black man from Egypt.

The Republican Agenda to elimnate poverty: DEATH ,, Their plan is to kill off as many poor people as they can with poor or no health care, orchestra conditions in their environment so bad and overwhelming that many commit suicide, and top it all off with a little assitance from trigger happy police officers who don't shoot to subdue but to kill. (I didn't "lol" at the end of that because poverty and death are too serious to laugh about) To my knowledge, many recipients of goverment assistance across America are ALREADY being tested for drugs so what are they planning on doing that's new? Furthermore, even if a person IS using drugs.....should they be denied the basics of survival?

Prince Hall Wanna Be Man, stop wasting your time trying to explain what you DON'T know....lol. 　 Freemason's, formed in the middle ages was a secret Jewish society, for Jews. They become so powerful that non-Jews offered support only if they were included. Today, only the most promising, intellectually inspired Blacks are allowed entry. Many are Freemasons in secret, Barack Obama?, Chester Puller, Colin Power, Herman Cain, Candis Rise, and yes, your boy Ben Carson, etc.; True, most are recruited in college fraternities. With their secret hand-shakes, codes, etc. And who the HELL is "Candis Rise".......LMAO. What country do you REALLY come from? You CLAIM you come from Chicago but you write like somebody who just learned English 5 years ago.....LOL. Have you even considered the bowtie? Why, yes...I have. You like?

Del No one alive really has first hand accounts of Native American or African Traditions. Much was this was destroyed like the people of Tasmania. We are losing African and Native American languages along with the traditions that went with them. Islam and Christianity have seemingly taken over most of Africa and the United Stated for that matter. The more I look at history, the more I wonder if this wasn't the TRUE purpose of most organized religions in the first place. ....to destroy or drive underground the ancient traditions that promoted TRUE spirituality and replace them with dogmatic beliefs that promote violence and sexual repression. This is one of the reasons I was so fond of the movie Black Panther. It shows a Black society where their beliefs centered around actually TRAVELING to another realm to meet with their ancestors and communicate with them instead of a religion that simply tells them to read supposedly "holy" scriptures and believe in them without any evidence to support it.

Troy Pioneer, stop thinking like a "Westerner." It is not about cross contamination, it is about cross support. I participate on Lipstick Alley from time to time because people from there come here (they have not posted, but I can see the traffic). If folks from some of the other forums came here from time to time, that would be a good thing. A good thing huh??? Like having Kalexander2 following you around from site to site accusing you of being a gay Nazi transvestite who practices Luciferianism on the side when you're not working for the shadow government....lol. Sounds like a win win situation all the way around.

Troy was actually asking to see if she was available. I need a passive woman who will do what I say, keep the house clean, cook, take care of my needs, and not give me any lip; you know a traditional woman Seriously, I did not think her personality was suited to being in a marriage -- at least not one she was not being walked all over. Is she cute? Actually........ No lie bro, she's FINE AS HELL ! Imagine Erykah Badu with shorter hair......lol. Even as a kid she was fine and slim. Normal height but very petite and "delicate" in the bones. But what makes her even more attractive in MY OPINION is her nervous like behavior which makes her seem even MORE delicate. The way she'll shy away from conflict and act nervous makes men (or me atleast) want to PROTECT her...which is attractive. I don't know if she's be a "traditional" wife but she knows how to act. I believe she was doing the paralegal thing for a long time and she knows how to act around professional people in professional situations. She grew up in the ghetto but she's not hoodish so she wouldn't EMBARASS you if you took her somewhere. I said she was divorced but I actually haven't spoken to her in years so I'm not sure if she's even back with anyone right now, but yeah.....I think you'd like her, lol. See man, THIS is why I can't "cross wires"....lol. For 40+ years she's had no idea her own cousin felt this way about her and if she came on this site she'd find out and knowing HER scared ass she'd probably avoid me from now on out of embarassment.....lol.

Lol..... Will he still be President by the END of this year? Some people have said that if he is impeached and removed, Mike Pence (the Vice President) will be even WORSE than him!

Troy you a gay mason? Talking shit to this FOOL is about as close to gay as I'll ever be....lol. But while we're near the subject...... I'm not sure why I didn't ask you this before but did you or Del actually pledge any FRATERNATIES while you were in school? Most professions seem to have a particular Fraternity or Sorority attached to it. Cutie Pie So, what is it Pioneer1? Gay, Freemason or both. What do you want? Though you answer may be as questionable as your Identification. Notwithstanding the sideburns! Again, as I asserted before "I stand with your right to be as you are," standing NOT TOO CLOSE though. You CLEARLY don't know the TRUTH about Jews and their history NOR do you know the TRUTH about masons and THEIR history, lol. It sounds like all you know is that right-wing conspiratorial garbage you've been hearing from people like Alex Jones. Now stop being silly and come a little closer. How will you EVER find out what I REALLY want if you're standing so far away????? .....with your LONG LEGGED SELF, lol.

Del I'm paraphrasing but something to the effect of him not knowning what World War 3 will be fought with BUT he knows World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones. K2 As is often the case with your posts, I haven't the slightest clue as to what you're trying to say...lol.

You ain't gotta be gay to know what a gay man wants......lol. Why are you so interested in Masonry, are you a "traveling man"? How much do YOU know about the craft? I'm guessing very little....lol.

K2 What do you really want? Didn't you call me "gay" in another thread? Well....lol.....what do you THINK a gay man wants????

Troy Sorry man, I can't "cross contaminate"....lol. And you're right, there aren't many.....but there still are one or two that I enjoy. If it's any comfort to you, I don't talk about this site on other sites but I DO mention this site quite frequently in real life to those I know who are aspiring authors and screen play writers. Infact, you'd be supised how many people I mention this site to and they end up ALREADY KNOWING ABOUT IT...lol.

I tell you what........ Those 48 hours that Trump warned about is almost up. I'm trying to see what the man is gonna do over in Syria, lol. Since the 50s people have been talking about World War 3 and wars with Russia and China. Sometimes I wonder if it wouldn't be better to just hurry up and get the shit over with so whoever is left can focus on REBUILDING the planet and moving on. All this stock piling and war drills and anticipation and the anxiety of it decade after decade can't be healthy for the psyche of the human race.

Troy is your cousin married? She was, divorced now. But if you're asking to see how she dealt with the arguments that come with marriage...... Her husband was a straight up thug. But she liked that because being so scared all the time she felt PROTECTED with a man like that so she didnt' really argue with him about anything EXCEPT for what they divorced over.....lol....his repeated cheating. The type of nervousness and skiddishness that you see with her is rather rare among Black women in America....lol. She grew up in a rough neighborhood but for some reason just didn't learn how to handle conflict in her environment. I worked with another man.....Black man....who was the same way. He was from Philadelphia and left his family and friends behind because he couldn't handle the brashness of the Eastcoast and felt the Midwest was more his style. Didn't have any base in his voice. He married a White woman from Poland because he was too intimidated by even the White women of America and how much they cussed and drank....lol. Some people just aren't cut out for conflict....either engaging in it or being around it. I don't necessarily love conflict but I tend to CALCULATE the risks versus the rewards of engaging in a particular conflict. Even during school days, I remember not fighting a couple people who challenged me. Not out of fear, but simply because there was no audience to watch it if I ended up winning.....lol.

Troy Originally I believed science has, or should, have nothing to do with religion. Now I'm not so sure... Lol, well WELCOME to my side! Glad to have you! Maybe what i really mean is spirituality (as opposed to reigion) spirtuality is not mutually exclusive of science. I don't know if I'd say spirituality is opposite of religion. I think the two are often if not usually interwined at different levels and in different cultures. We know spirituality exists outside of religion, but many if not most religions center AROUND a particular understanding of one's spirituality. It's strange how you talk about reverence for the environment...lol. I was at a city council meeting the other week and argued for 20 minutes with some of the White women in the auditorium because I felt they were taking up too much time focusing on "environmental issues" and not enough on urban issues like the water in Flint, affordable housing, and school funding in the inner city.

Oh come on Del man....lol. You should end the arguments against injustice only when injustice actually ENDS! But I understand how some people HATE conflict and tend to shy away from it, while others....like Cynique....love it. I have a cousin who since I could remember couldn't seem to tolerate any type of conflict between people. Even as a child she'd either sit down and cover up her ears or just run off and hide when adults or kids would argue with eachother. Even now at 50, if we're having some sort of reunion or she visits with relatives and the slightest disagreement erupts....you can see her starting to get nervous and start looking away. I know many of the exchanges we have on the internet won't change anyone's opinions or way of thinking, but that's not why I do it. I like the INTERACTION of other Black people and the exchange of ideas whether I agree with them or not.

Lol, that just shows you the difference between the thinking of men and women. How in the hell is a young topless woman bouncing her breasts all over an older man supposed to make him "feel uncomfortable" ???? Now, getting a naked MAN to do it........lol.

Great comeback....lol. You don't even have the character to accept my owning up to a simple mistake. Say what you want to about White people, but there is something a friend of mind brought to my attention a few years back and I've been checking it out every since he said it. He said that when him and a White person got into an argument and he apologized and attempted to get along......the White person usually met him half way and apologized for his behavior too. But when him and a Black person got into an argument and he ATTEMPTED to apologize and ATTEMPTED to get along......the Black person usually ignored the attempt to continue the beef, mistrusted his intentions, or even saw it as WEAKNESS and really dug in on him...lol. You want to talk about White and Black morality? Where ever the hell you are or whatever country you're in right now, sit back and WATCH how the Black people act and treat eachother and see if it's with the same amount of respect and humanity Whites or Asians treat eachother with. It may give you some clue as to how Black folks ended up so vulnerable to be conquered in the first place. Lauryn Hill said, how you gonna win when you ain't right with in?

Linda Chavez seems to have forgoten about us too...lol. This long winded comment isn't about Cynique so much as it's about my observation about the Black female posters websites in general. I'm not suprised that women don't frequent this site (or atleast this section of the site) much and those who do quickly drop out. And it's not like they have to leave because they're insulted and barraged with sexist comments, threats, or lewd photos (to my knowledge atleast). It appears that many simply just don't like the "vibe" of the place. I've mentioned times before that for some reason most women feel more comfortable posting on HEAVILY moderated sites, especially where most of the moderators are female. Ofcourse not all women do, but from what I've seen it appears that many women like being able to flag posts that they find offensive and get them taken down AND/OR get the posters in trouble or banned. Troy doesn't seem to be trigger happy like that (and a big THANK YOU to Troy for it). Now is this a good or bad thing? ((shrugs shoulders)) I don't know, guess it depends on your perspective. Not being female, I don't know how they feel but they certainly have a right to post where they feel most comfortable. But from a male perspective.......... I really don't like the lack of Black female presence. Even when Cynique and Mel were posting regularly it wasn't enough as far as I was concerned. It's natural for men to want and get "validation" from the women of their community, and when the women of their community don't want to "be around"....it's almost an insult. As much as they complain about not finding enough Black men at their level.....are you seriously telling me that professional Black women wouldn't want to have an intelligent academic conversation with Troy or Del about a specific field???? Having been on a few White sites.....before they find out I'm Black and the racial insults start...lol....I don't see this type of "divide" between most White men and women. They seem to be able to have conversations with eachother and agree or disagree based on the subject without demeaning or hurling insults at eachother and trying to get eachother in trouble. But with too many Black sites I've noticed they fall into one of 3 categories: 1. It's all woman and gay men bashing the hell out of men. 2. It's all angry men bashing the hell out of women. 3. It's almost all women with one dominant Alpha male running the place and driving out any other man who steps in on the site....kind of like a gorilla and harem routine, lol. But a balanced male and female harmony where both groups can be themselves and express their opinions freely and still get along? Those are becoming few and far in between.

SAY WHAT??????? Nigga I'm going to bed.....lol.

K2 Somebody's wasting a lot of money for your paid commentary, even if it's $0.1 per every 10 words. WHAT!!! Second paragraph, last sentence "American Born Arabs." Alright, alright, alright, calm down clown.....lol. My bad, I thought you were refering to your previous post (which is where I looked for that statement), not your first one. My argument was centered around Arab immigrants, but since you've brought it to my attention that you're talking about Arabs born IN America, then yes....they do deserve the full rights of American citizenship. However much of what I said about most of them being racist and sexist STILL applies to even most of the American born children of recent immigrants because of what their parents have taught them. 　 Incidentally, those beliefs are the same as African's believed when where brought here. Homosexuality and extramarital relationships were considered an abomination. Your sentiments here are telling on you; with your MANLY sideburns. You really should go with the bowtie!!! Religion in its purist sense was to establish rules for moral behavior, like banking, it used to a good thing until the Catholic Church got involved. Your comments and response here are nonsensible, bias, and stupid. Hence, not credibility. Who says that the beliefs and morals of Africans BEFORE they were enslaved/colonized were correct? If their morals and beliefs were THAT great or superior, why didn't they prevent a less moral White man from capturing and enslaving them? There are a lot of African societies with strict sexual codes who STILL engage in senseless violence among themselves and neighboring groups AS WELL AS suffer from famines, diseases, and other lack of resources. Meanwhile the West.....that promotes homosexuality and lasciviousness....is well fed, well armed, and secure from invasion from outside nations. Am I saying Black nations should adopt the morals and the sexual habits of the West? No. But what I AM saying is that Africans need tore-examine ALL of their beliefs and old cultural traditions and replace them with values that WORK and PROGRESS the society instead of trapping them in an endless cycle of ignorance, slavery, and exploitation.

K2 Or is it the way you like your man to look? 　 Maybe like men who look like YOU: -clean shaven -long haired -and rocking a VAGINA instead of a penis ....lol. There is no Black culture. Wrong, there are HUNDREDS of Black cultures. But most of them are in Africa and India, not America. Stay focused..... We're not talking about BLACK PEOPLE as a whole, but AFRO-AMERICANS in specific. 　 What you call 'sub-cuture' is the culture of American Blacks. Arguably, culture is the attitudes and behavior that are characteristic of a particular social group or organization; ideas, beliefs, etc. Thank you for telling me what I ALREADY know. What is American idealims? Money, power, and ethnocentrism. Hence, what's your culture? This isn't American culture, this is HUMANITY in general. The Nazis were power hungry and ethnocentric and so were the Japanese, but neither were American.

K2 Pioneer1: No has to listen to Black gripes simply because you claim you were here first. They do if Black people are in positions of power in the nation they're trying to seek citizenship in. If you're an immigrant and want to come to America and there are enough Black people in the federal government as well as the state to decide whether or not you can come in and whether or not you will be allowed to work and own property......it would be wise to LISTEN to the concerns of those Black people. Korean immigrants made the mistake of dismissing AfroAmericans in Los Angeles and thinking they were weak....until the L.A. riots broke out and taugth them differently. The White people they THOUGHT would protect them....abandoned them, lol. Besides I did said 'American born Arabs,' didn't I? No...you didn't. Muslims don't in believe in homosexuality, girlfriends/boyfriends, and racism. Before I wed my wife members of my family had to met, get approval, and show I was worthy of her hand. Noting wrong with that! Though we had already planned to do whatever if they didn't approve. Free will. There are many sexual restrictions in the Muslim society, but I wouldn't necessarily call it "free will"....they're being FORCED by society and by the laws of their nations to obey certain sexual restrictions. So their morals are being FORCED on them, as opposed to in America where you are free to BE righteous or BE wicked for all to see. Also, many Muslims from the Middle East believe in killing people who don't agree with them religiously or politically. Not all; not even most; but too many. Personally, I would rather live in a sociey where people are walking around naked and having non-stop sex in the streets but peaceful and non-violent; than one where people are virgins and uphold the strictest sexual morals but engage in constant non-stop fighting and killing over religion and politics. Sex often leads to more life coming into the world.....violence often leads to death. And, your beliefs, Pioneer1, are white beleifs anyway. What rights to you have to be reversed? You're losing creditbility here, again My CREDIBILITY with the CREDITOR is only as valuable as the CREDIT he's offering....lol. If the CREDITOR is offering CREDIT that is worthless....lol....why should anyone worry about their CREDIBILITY with him?

The mutton-chop sideburns makes a man look.....uhhh.....let's say.....more DISTINGUISHED! It gives you that nice middle aged RESERVED look that commands respect....lol. By the way, in reality, there IS NO "African American culture". Having your own CULTURE means having our own foods, moral codes, language, dress codes, marriage and social customs, ect.... Most AfroAmericans don't have their own of any of these. What AfroAmericans have here is a SUB-CULTURE at best; a modified version of White American culture. Basically trying to imitate what they see Whites doing.

Except for the initial part of your response, Republicans were the first crusaders of human rights. Irregardless, does that make Arab's any less American; not deserving of American rights and privileges? No - but something else COULD make them less deserving if it's not corrected. Not listening to the Black people who were here for centuries BEFORE them and knew White people far better than they did but chosing to ignore that advice doesn't nullify their citizenship or make them less deserving of American rights and priviledges. However...... Coming to the United States to take advantage of the freedoms and economic opportunities that America has to offer WITHOUT being willing to put their racist and sexist beliefs to the side and conform to basic common American values and social patters DOES make me suspicious of one's reasons for being in the nation in the first place. If you come to America and refuse to let your daughter date Black men and refuse to let your wife work because you're afraid she might make enough money to become independant or if you still believe Black people should be slaves like over in Libya.....then I think we might have to re-consider your citizenship. Why? Because with your beliefs you may end up REVERSING all the gains Blacks and women have made in America over the years.