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Troy K2 I'm not against Black people seeking higher education IF THEY CAN. What I'm against is Black people who AREN'T QUALIFIED just going through the motions and wasting their time and money seeking a degree they will never attain. Just funneled through the system and being used by the university to make money off of. Telling people who can barely graduate highschool that they should seek higher education to solve their problems is like telling people who can barely afford to keep up their house....to run out and try to buy a MANSION. Further more, like I keep saying....it's not the education that's the problem but the LACK OF JOBS and RACISM that's the problem. I don't give a damn HOW much education you have, if you're giving your resume to a racist who has vowed to never hire straight Black men to that firm.....you're wasting your time anyway. Also, keep in mind I said PROFESSIONAL DEGREE. Now as far as I'm concerned the jury is still out over whether most people can actually achieve a Bachelor's degree. I suppose if you are of atleast average intelligence, learned how to study properly, was disciplined and motivated, and had all their finances (tuition, living expenses, ect.....) squared away then maybe MOST PEOPLE could get a basic 4 year degree. It also depends on how easy or hard the University is. But how much is Bachelor's worth today anyway? If you want to talk about putting your education to work for you, I'm talking about a Master's or higher in a specific field. Now what percentage of the population...of any race...have the intellect and discipline to SUCCESSFULY (not try and quit and try and quit and stall and make excuses before giving up) go through 7 or more years of intense study and examinations? Clearly less than 25%. Now a days almost ALL young people are sent to college.....but most end up failing. Look, for the VAST MAJORITY of the population to have a decent independent life weneed to push for more AGRICULTURAL and MANUFACTURING jobs that are well paying yet simple and don't demand much education or discipline. It's as simple as that. Now either I'm right...... Or this is all part of my BIG TRICK to talk these little negroes into dropping out of school. Matter of fact.... Hey Troy, why don't you invite me to your class so I can speak to your students for a couple hours....lol.

Kalexander Actually....I'm MORE than one person. I'm a COMPOSITE of people who take turns on different days using different computers....in the same building. Ask Mel...(the one using the picture of some slim brownskinned chick with long hair and an attitude).....she'll tell you! Troy If @Pioneer1 was a troll he would be the most ineffective or slowest one in existence. Pioneer is not a troll. Slowest....???? I don't know whether to say thank you or be insulted......lol I'm not the smartest man in the world but I've learned fairly early in life that it's not wise to tell ANYONE more information about yourself than you have to. Either on line or off. Especially when there is little to be gained. I mean, if I were on here looking for women then I'd post my picture in e-mails.....lol. But just showing my picture to be showing it and giving my real name and other personal information....with no money to be made....just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I don't call others stupid for doing it....I just let them do them. Kalexander mentioned White racist trolls and in his paranoid delusional rant he actually further detailed a point that I was making to Cynique earlier: We know the goverment monitors various websites, that's a given....no secret. They already know who you are. But I don't consider them the biggest problem. RACIST TROLLS and LURKERS who monitor Black sites looking for victims are! And I think it's silly for Black people to feed them with personal information they can use.

Ahh shit...Is that CYNIQUE coming to my rescue????? Cynique Oh, Puleeze. As much as i butt heads with Pioneer who is regular poster of long standing on this site, i find your accusations ridiculous. Lol.... You know I'm gonna have to use this moment as FURTHER EVIDENCE of you having a secret sexual attraction to me! I appreciate the thought, but perhaps Kalexander is right! Perhaps the only reason I even joined this site way back in 2012 is because I KNEW if I stayed on here long enough..eventually....Kalexaner would show up. And lo! On a more serious tip....... Does Kalexander's reaction help you to understand WHY it's not wise for someone to reveal too much of their personal information on the internet? It has nothing to do with being paranoid or hiding....it's about using common sense. No matter how much fun you may be having, things can take a "left turn" with people real quick and now they know ALL about you. No thanx. 　 　 Kalexander A person without suspicion will respond within an hour. One with suspicion needs time to regroup or never respond again. Lol, I don't know but it seems to ME that the person (or persons) who is actually monitoring you is the one who can respond "with in an hour". But anyway.... I appears that you've caught me RED HANDED! I should have known it would only be a matter of time before you figured it out. So now, I supposed the only thing for you to do is turn yourself in to the nearest U.S. Embassy and we'll see that you get justice! Maybe......

Wait........hold up....gimme a minute............. ((Pioneer gets up and leaves the room for a good 7 or 8 minutes....lol))

, I don't discourage a person from getting a good education any more than I discourage someone from becoming a professional athlete. Meaning...... If they have the ABILITY to do it, by all means do it. I just don't believe most people have the ABILITY to achieve a professional degree. So I believe it's a waste of valuable time expecting them to. I think this society has trained too many of our youth to focus too much on the MEANS and not enough on the END. Unless you just love scholarly work and studying for hours on end, academic education is merely a means...one of many....not an end. The end is being able to support yourself and family, have a happy and meaningful life and accumulate wealth. There are thousands of Black people with degrees who STILL aren't attaining these valuable goals....so what does that say about the value of higher education? Because at the end of the day most of our educated Black people STILL have to go to White people begging them for jobs and opportunities. Back during Reconstruction right after slavery Black people who could barely read a book were able to build towns for themselves, houses to live in, hospitals, schools, churches, markets, raise their families, and eat better than many are eating today. Keep in mind that the same men who build the prisons are the same ones who built most of the educational institutions.....and for the same purposes....to control this society. I say we need to stop relying so much on systems White men set up to keep us beholden to them and focus on building our own systems and institutions that will allow us to live the kind of life we want to live.

And look at how so many people have been robbed and murdered BECAUSE of Facebook. Hell, look at how many people have been getting killed LIVE why they were actually posting on Facebook! Some things you just can't help, we know the internet is being monitored......but when you recklessly and voluntarily put all your business out in the street with nothing really to gain by it, that's down right foolish.

Besides drugs, the other major reason so many Black men are locked up in the United States is because after most of the manufacturing jobs that Black men traditionally made good money doing were purposely eliminated....most Black men of average intelligence and talent had fewwer opportunities to make a living for themselves. This is why I don't think more education is the key. Especially the traditional academic education that is being promoted as a solution to poverty. Higher education is called that for a reason....because most people CAN'T achieve it. You basically have to be smart to finish college and get a professional degree, and most people aren't "smart".....most people are average. Sure if the average person is strongly motivated and willing to work hard enough and spend a lot of money and time and do a lot of sacrificing they could possibly achieve one...but how many people have the discipline and time to do all of that? And more importantly, why should they? This society isn't focusing enough on making simply well paying jobs that the AVERAGE person can easily do and make enough to support themselves without breaking the law.

One of the reasons the incarceration rate is so high is because there are TOO MANY LAWS. Not only do you have thousands of FEDERAL laws, but you have thousands more of STATE and LOCAL laws.....so many that no one citizen can know all of them. So you end up breaking them inadvertently. There are so many laws on the books now that even lawyers don't know all of them and have to often times refer their clients to OTHER lawyers who specialize in certain aspect of the law. You have to have special lawyers for custody battles. Special lawyers for medical malpractice. Special lawyers for real estate. This society is becoming too complex and those who aren't smart enough to manage and manuever there way through often get caught up in the system.

Cynique who, incidentally, hides behind the picture of another man, apparently ashamed to show his own mug. Listen....... This is the 3rd or 4th time you've made mention of my using other pictures as avatars instead of my own image. As if it's some sort of cardinal cyber-sin or something.....lol. Has it ever occured to you that maybe it's not a very good idea for anyone and especially Black folks to parade around the internet posting their pictures and other forms of personal information for the WORLD to obtain? But ofcourse..... For someone as narcisisstic as you, I'm sure thoughts like that rarely if ever cross your mind and even if they did you obviously STILL couldn't resist advertising yourself all over the WORLD WIDE WEB.

But I do take a second opinion as to him being brilliant. If he truly were he wouldn’t position himself with DT. His career as a surgeon also comes into question in as much as John Hopkins U. is concerned. Perhaps he's really BOOK SMART but lacks basic common sense..... Maybe he was one of those kids who was always academically inclined but never "cool" and always had this strong and nagging craving to "fit in" and be popular. Just maybe...this position provided him with an oppotunity to fullfil his dreams, lol. I was wondering what happened to Urkel after Family Matters.....lol.

There may be a campaign to sexualize Black girls at an early age, but I DO believe that Black girls tend to become sexually mature earlier than White girls by nature. In other words, if White people did nothing but let nature take it's course.....Black girls would still be sexually active earlier than White girls. Teenage Black girls have been having sex and having babies for millions of years, that's just nature and that's not the problem. The real problem is THIS SOCIETY and it's restrictive and frankly unrealistic Judeo-Christian moral standards that tend to demonize sex and sexuality at ANY age. This society doesn't educate or prepare young people for PROPER sexual activity and the consequences off it like STDs and pregnancy and how to be good fathers and mothers and care for their offspring. Because of this lack of adequate education and preparation you have healthy teenagers enaging in acts that they are supposed to enage in withouth the prerequisite knowlege to protect themselves and this is what's leading to so many of the problems. Perhaps, we need to change our culture from that of anti-sex and pro-violence....to one of anti-violence and pro-sex.

I agree with Troy, it depends on the situation. Unless I see some sort of trauma attached to the emotion, my first reaction would be curiousity. I'm not sure about White men, but I've learned over the years that White WOMEN can actually MAKE themselves cry real tears when it suit their purposes. Not saying they all do this, but I know some of them do. I first witnessed this when I was a kid in school and a White girl accused me of something and she seemed perfectly composed until we went into the office and cried like a baby with tears flowing and as soon as we were dismissed she left and laughed it up with her friends. And I've seen many other incidence similar to this one afterwards. I've heard Black women tell lies, but I haven't really witness any MAKE themselves cry. Or if they did.....they were so good I couldn't tell. If anything most Black women I knew tried NOT to cry, which made me take it all the more serious when I actually saw them doing it. The weird thing about crying is....... I tend to shed a tear or two when I get very angry, and most Black men I know are the same way.

And to think...... If only Ben Carson would have known that poverty was simply a state of mind when he was just a poor kid coming up. Instead of all those years of going to college, studying, and hundreds of thousands of dollars in student loans in order to become a doctor and make a good living for himself......all he really had to so was go out on the porch, sit down, and CHANGE HIS MIND, lol. I don't agree with his politics but Carson is a brilliant brother. He wouldn't have made it to head nigga in neurosurgeon at John Hopkins Medical Center if he weren't. It's sad to see him disgrace himself and tarnish all of his achievements like this. It reminds me of how the esteemed General Colin Powell allowed himself and his sterling reputation to be turned into shit by doing the bidding of George W. Dr. Carson should resign from that position and abandon that sinking ship.

RIP bro...... Lol, my man said: "You won't be around next year.....my rhymes is too severe!" Craig had to have been one of the greated MCs when it came to straight up delivery. I STILL bump "Ya Jockin' My Style" in my ride! Not too long ago I saw a video of him at some sort of fundamentalist church as if he had joined it or something.

Del But remember on Good Times when Florida dates the Atheist after James dies. It's like people saying Holy Cow in the US. Yes, And if you'll remember James himself wasn't the biggest believer...lol. Remember when he teased Florida by looking at his watch and giving "God" so many seconds to perform some sort of act and his watch ended up stopping.....LOL. Cynique Hippocratic oath which originated with an ancient Greek PHYSICIAN who was NOT a religious figure. I know who Hippocrates was, but an OATH is still taken either to him or to a deity in his name. Which makes it a RELIGIOUS ACT. Oaths are religious acts.....which is why they usually have you put your hand on the BIBLE to take an oath in court. 　 Specifically, what effect did all of the institutions you referred to have on Science? How about naming the "atom" after "Adam"...a religious character of Judaism and Christianity. 　 Troy I think part of the problem is that you too are tying science to Western civilization which is relatively new even the stuff Hippocrates knew was taken from Kemet. Science predates Christianity I have to tell you the same thing I told Mel who brought up how much Western civilization may have stolen from Africa; once the West gets ahold of it.....it's not the same. Ofcourse they got a lot of the knowledge they use for SCIENCE from Africa as well as other ancient societies, but once they prepare it and modify it to fit Western science, that knowledge is no longer the same. Truth and knowledge predates Christianity, but "science" doesn't. "Science" itself is a Western institution. It's a Western way of collecting and organizing information.

I know exacty what you're saying. This is one of the reasons I no longer call myself a Democrat (or a Republican). Malcolm X used to compare the Republicans and Democrats to wolves and foxes. Both of them want to eat you but they just have different methods of redering you vulnerable. Atleast when you have openly racist ultra-capitalist Republicans in office you don't expect for them to do anything for you......so you're forced to DO FOR SELF. When Democrats get in office many Black people seem to be lulled into a sleep thinking everything is alright and humanity is saved. While Black people were celebrating 8 years of Barack Obama, as a whole their economic and political bases were slowly being eroded and racist ultra-conservatives at the state and local level were slowly taking over major portions of the nation.

It's one thing to be a loser with a good attitude. Another to be a winner with a rotten attitude. But if you're usually wrong AND you have a rotten attitude....lol...WATCH OUT NOW! 　 Zaji I know I am moving into a little bit of objectivity when I begin to black out when even those whom I believe are right, become egotistical and bombastic in their responses. Any attack, to me, causes me to back off and lose a tad bit of respect for those whose views I happen to agree with. I then sink into questioning all sides of a discussion, those I agree and disagree with. All becomes a question and suspect. I ultimately quiet myself and my spirit and just watch and listen. Why? Because I want to be a good listener. I want to be enlightened. I want to find truth. Again, I have a VERY long way to go. Too long. But I am working on it. When the words start to fly in here, I go quiet, sit, cross my legs, close my eyes, and let the sounds flow over me until they find truth. For me, it depends on WHO'S doing the arguing. I don't like seeing Black people fighting and quarreling with eachother, especially over nonsense where there is no clear right or wrong. The recent squabble between Dr Umar Johnson and Tariq Nasheed is a good example of Black people wasting time and energy attacking eachother. However I loved seeing intelligent Black people out-debate and cut throught the lies of White racists in an eloquent and elegant manner. I loved seeing Malcolm X debate White scholars and intellectuals and defeat them. I loved seeing Dr Frances Cress Welsing debate White professors and embarass them.

Del No, it's not irrelevant. It's actually in line with what I said earlier about doctors having to swear a HIPPOCRATIC OATH. They are basically taking an oath to Hippocrates who is an important figure in ancient Greek mythology.

Not every body is a mamby-pamby bland person who prefers to go along to get along No. But on the flip side, it also becomes a problem when one goes OUT OF THEIR WAY to be disagreeable and combative. Pretty soon, they're looked upon as just a little obnoxious orang-u-tang who hangs around looking for trouble, lol..

Del If you got rid of the church and religion would it change science? I would say so. Science and Religion attempt to answer large questions. The validity of those answers appears to be personal. If they were to get rid of church and religion, not only would "science" collapse in the West but WESTERN CIVILIZATION ITSELF would collapse. Western civilizatoin was built off of Christian morality and values. Even most atheists in the West adhere to basic Christian values..... They get married and those marriages are monogamous. They take Sundays off on most of their jobs and don't do business transactions on Sundays. They use Christmas and Thanksgiving as opportunities to spend time with their families and tie up the airports. They even use the expression "oh my god" on a routine basis but CLAIM they don't mean anything by it, lol.

Please don't say the Black Panther movie for I think you will discover that it will not change the world and make it better for Black people -- despite all the hype to the contrary. Actually, I think and predict that the Black Panther movies will do more for Black America than President Obama did.....lol. The movie...like Obama....gives HOPE and INSPIRATION. Look, ofcourse Wakanda is made up BUT it gives you an illustration of how a successful and powerful Black society could possibly look if one were to exists! And that's the beauty of it. Sometimes people have to SEE something before they can consider the possibility of it. 　 How else could wealth inequality be so great, or how could so many people, be so impoverished, or go without health coverage, with all the charitable people we have? There is so much poverty and lack of decent healthcare in America because Black people ALLOW this to be so! I'll probably get push back from you and Cynique (lol) about this, but it goes right back to what I've said so often. Most of the problems Black and poor people face in this nation are OUR FAULT because we haven't exercised our rights as American citizens the way we should. Black people get into office and too often just continue the same narrative as their White predecessors. More business as usual. Black people become mayor and instead of getting rid of the old city constitution and charter and making a NEW one....they keep the same one that the White founders of the city wrote up 200 years ago; and wonder why the city falls apart. Like I said, Black people operate best when we do OUR THING and make up OUR RULES. You may think this is crazy as hell, but with Obama in office and so many Black people in congress...Black men could have solved the "Broken Black Family" problem in 5 years by making POLYGAMY LEGAL in the United States instead of gay marriage. But the thought probably never even crossed their minds. White men in Utah have no problem pushing it, but Black men who INVENTED it are afraid to even mention it, lol. A fool will keep playing a game invented by someone else and WONDER why they keep losing.

Troy Where is the flaw in telling people they in control of the own lives and to think positively? Number one, it's a lie....lol. And by it's very nature, lies are inherently flawed because they are incorrect. No one on this planet is in complete control of their own lives and destiny, and the poorer and more powerless you are.....the less control you have. You may have some INFLUENCE, but you don't control it. Number two, positive thinking alone and simply wishing and believing alone can not only be useless but down right DANGEROUS because it causes you to be so happy and content in your miserable condition that you won't do anything to change it. If you are diagnosed with a serious disease and the cure calls for you to take action, positive thinking alone could cause you to ignore the disease and neglect proper treatment.

The problem I have with many of these so-called "prosperity preachers" like Osteen and others is that they tell their congregation and audience that everything they're going through is THEIR OWN fault. If you don't have a good job or decent healthcare it's YOUR FAULT. They teach them that if they just BELIEVE hard enough or change their attitude...they can change their reality. Unlike the Martin Luther King generation of preachers who took an active role in trying to better society...... This new generation of preachers are telling their flock not to focus on corrupt politicians or encouraging them to change governmental policies and fight for social justice as a way of achieving success.......just BELIEVE and THINK NICE THOUGHTS and everything will be alright.

Cynique I admit I was wrong for spelling "congratulating" as "congradulating". But will YOU admit that YOU were wrong for saying that science NEVER espouses religion after several of us have shown you otherwise? Will YOU accept some responsibility for a change? Troy even a broken clock is "NEVER" wrong, for it is correct 2 seconds every 24 hours. Of course only unreasonable people will argue that the clock is valid for that reason I don't understand your analogy. A broken clock may be right SOME of the time but wrong MOST of the time. How does "never" even factor into this example? Also keep in mind the terms BC AD are relatively new. There are thousands of years by scientists, in multiple cultures, where these terms were not used (for obvious reasons). Why hang your hat on such a specious and weak point? Is it really just to "win" this argument? Lol....come on bro, my motives are irrelevant. Whether the point is weak or strong is also irrelevant. Nor does it matter when BC or AD started being used by science. The fact that these terms are used at any time CANCELS OUT the statement that religion is NEVER espoused to science. Like Del said, if we take the emotions out of it......... Either what I'm saying is correct or it isn't. Either what Cynique said was correct or it wasn't.

No worries....lol....because now WHITE PEOPLE are begining to invest that same money back into Black neighborhoods themselves! -in the form of GENTRIFICATION. It's a damn shame that for decades you had thousands of wealthy Black people who HAD the money to re-invest in the inner city neighborhoods but chose to run out to the suburbs and help build the economy of White communities, and now young adventurous wealthy White kids are taking up the initiative to venture into the hood and buy up property to renuvate and pump money into.