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Troy and Mel Honestly, I have very little evidence to support this belief (or their belief) other than visual inspection and knowledge of geography. I'm not familiar with the scientific details of genetics and to be honest, White people made much of these terms up and they are the ones who REALLY understand it. Many of us are just parrotting what White geneticists are saying or what we read of what they found, and it's the same with archeology. How much research have BLACK SCIENTIST actually done to confirm these genetic and anthropological findings that White science puts out? I personally go with what makes sense me, and claiming White people came from African Black people just doesn't make sense from my limited perspective. But what the NOI teaches DOES. And Mel, I'm not sure if you mentioned it before but did you say you DIDN'T have any White ancestry by way of slavery? I know you said your lineage was East African, but still most Black Americans who are descended from slaves still have some White and Native American ancestry. Are you saying you don't?

Hate to piss on the praise parade but................ This video is a bit disturbing for a number of reasons: 1. If you notice, why do they have so many WOMEN looking at Nicki's body in a sexual manner? Even the hotel maid takes a look at Nicki and looks like she's getting hot as she whips out her hair. 2. Besides Future, why are the ONLY Black men in the video being chased down and beat up by NON-BLACK police officers? (right around the 2 minute mark) What's up with that? What kind of message is that sending, that Black men who look at a good looking woman must be chased down by the police and beat up? Or when you see Black men being beat up by the police you should just walk by looking sexy like Nicki did as if it's a common everyday thing? What's the message? 3. Finally, it's not the biggest deal but...... Nicki is an attractive woman but she doesn't really represent "Black women" or the way most Black women look. So constantly praising women who look like HER or BEYONCE or AMBER ROSE and talking about how beautiful they are really tells darker skinned Black women with more African features how UNattractive they are. But again, what's up with all the women lusting after Nicki and what's up with the brothers being beat down by non-Black police?

Cynique No i'm not insinuating that there was some sort of conspiracy involved in his death. Any other silly questions? Yeah. America made this brother rich. Why do you diss a country that produces rich Black folks? Answer me that....and I'm good, lol. Del and Troy They say that Johnny Cochran was constantly on his cell phone, and HE TOO died of brain cancer. Man Pioneer most people don't have the focus or drive to work with any of those cats. They are on a next level. Most people can't alk for ten minutes on any subject. Although I am pretty sure you could. And I am not being sarcastic or ironic. It's focus, drive, discipline but also a strong dose of intelligence or good old fashioned MOTHER WIT. Reginald Lewis was a lawyer before he got into real estate so he wasn't an idiot to begin with and like Cynique said he was doing impressive things even as a child. Also when it comes to "people" industries like real estate where you really have to sell items or ideas....CHARISMA plays a huge role in your success. I think Reginald....like Oprah....had a lot of this. Unlike the stock market where you can be successful by studying trends and patterns, in sales and marketing you have to know how to make people trust and like you enough to buy from you. Hell, even if you're a stock broker you have to do have this ability until you reach a certain amount of success. Some people just can't do this despite their high level of intelligence. They don't have the charisma or likeability to gain the trust of people. When I go to the local universities in my region and look at many of the young people, they may be very smart with numbers and facts and can regurgitate a lot of information....but when it comes to "reading" people and basic human psychology that some people learn in the 6th grade...they're complete failures.

Del Naw the P is on some next level type shit. He is in a class by himself "The P"......I like that....lol. Troy Actually I think he would admit that he is. Sure "The P" would admit it....if you paid him to, lol.

Troy The origin and migration patterns of humans that you are attributing to the NOI run counter to the to the commonly accepted understanding that humanity (including Black people) originated in and migrated from Africa But the commonly ACCEPTED understanding of the origins of humanity run counter to COMMON SENSE, lol. 1. The theory that Europeans came out of the Asian/Indian Blacks makes more sense when you look at the ENTIRE phenotype of Europeans including there hair structure and facial structure. There are far too many physical diffrences between most UNMIXED African Blacks and most UNMIXED White Europeans to believe that Whites came from them. 2. Africa is less densely populated than either Europe or Asia. Does it makes sense that the continent with the oldest human civilizations to be less dense? Africa should be saturated with old cities, settlements, and ruins from coast to coast.

Troy Is there any proof that thoughts can exist beyond our physical being or outside a suitably powerful computer? Wouldn't wireless internet and television signals be an example of this? Ofcourse they are generated by computers (or stations) but from the time they leave the transmitting agent to the time they are picked up on the other end by the receiving agent they would have to "exist" somewhere intact in space. 　 Mel This would appear to be redundancy - sort of like mixing flour and water together and then adding another mixture of flour and water to the original batter. Although this does happen, for example my ex-hubby is european (French-German mix ) ...Together we have a set of twin girls. Although they may display his phenotype - they carry the mtDNA of the first woman of our lineage from East Africa 80,000 - 104,000 years ago. From what I've read, so far using rCRS and RSRS (revised Cambridge Reference Sequence & Reconstructed Sapiens Reference Sequence ) to determine ancestry - the difference between someone from East Africa and someone from Europe is where there's a mutation point (s). Not really........ I'm not educated on genetics enough to follow you with the scientific names and details of specific genes but I can say the "Black" people that Europeans came from were NOT African Blacks...be they South, West, OR East Africans. I know some archeologists call East Africans like Somalis and Ethiopians "Caucasian" because of the shape of their skulls and some aspects of their genes but this is a fallacy because it's based on the assumption that Europeans came up out of Africa THROUGH the East Africans. I believe East Africans are closer to Europeans than West Africans for 2 major reasons: 1. There was a much larger and older influx of Caucasian (not necessarily European but Arab, Semitic, Persian) blood in the East African population as various Caucasian tribes invaded or settled into the area as they entered Africa through Egypt. 2. If the NOI theory is correct, East Africans (even those without Caucasian ancestry) are still closer to Europeans for the simple fact that they represent the Blacks who are closest to their Black family in Asia (the Blacks who Europeans actually came from) as they had just arrived in Africa before they went Westward and South. But again, the Black people that I believe Europeans came out of are ASIAN Blacks like the type we find in India....like the Dravidians. So a more appropriate analogy would be more like mixing flour and water together and then adding graham crackers (a product of wheat that is related but not exactly the same as the flour) crumbs to the batter.....lol. Meaning, if you DID have genetic memory of Rome from ancestors who were there....there's not much of a chance of it coming from your East African ancestors because THEY aren't the ones who went to Europe. It would have to have come from your White American ancestors whose line went back through their respective European countries back to the Roman Empire. For those who can't follow what I'm saying about Asian and African Blacks I'll illustrate it with these pictures: 　 　 Asian Black man from India. African Black man from Ethiopia　 　 　African Black man from Ghana The first man is a DRAVIDIAN man or Asian Black man from India whom the NOI teaches were the first people of this planet. It is also the people whom they teach White people came from. The second man is an ETHIOPIAN man representing East Africa. Again, the area of Africa that I believe Asian Blacks migrated down through before migrating to other parts of Africa. The third picture is of a GHANAIAN man from West Africa....from whom most AfroAmericans are descended. You can see that despite similar complexions, there phenotypes are clearly different but you can see a gradual change in our physical features as we traveled out of Asia into Africa from Eastern Africa to Western Africa over time. 　 I did answer but you and I speak a different language ... sort of like what @Troy just referenced when he compared debate vs fight ... I will be mindful of that. But my family calls a debate "fighting" and we literally debate everything... even the content of the cereal lol But I digress. "Hitting on" is physical in my dictionary - it assumes that I'm an object to be obtained. I didn't have that problem and neither did the Asian Flight Attendant I was with, meant Italian men didn't objectify us ... I used her as a measuring stick. If they didn't "hit" on me ...that didn't necessarily mean they weren't brutish - but when I noticed they didn't "hit" on her either, then I assumed they had respect for women. Same as how they are here in the states. Every Italian men I've dealt with or dated was respectful. Well, that is, except Victor in the 4th grade. He called me the N-Word. I guess I have to get into Lawyer Mode, lol. Since we may differ on our understanding of what "being hit on" means, let me re-phrase the question. When you were in Italy....... Do you remember how many times Italian men GAVE YOU SIGNALS (whether in words, behavior, even gestures, ect.....) that they were interested in you sexually? Lol. Because almost every Black woman whose been overthere has told me that the men are aggressive in their approach toward Black women.

A lot of people have been saying the same thing about Scaramucci. They're saying he's so charismatic and his personality is so big that he's gonna out shine Trump....something quite threatening to a narcissist. But with all of the NEGATIVE attention Trump is getting, I don't think he'll mind another guy getting a little shine and taking the heat off of him for a while. I personally don't believe the Republicans EVEN WANT to replace Obama Care. Most of them are owned by Big Pharma. And Obamacare is basically a give away to the Health Insurance industry. With the passage of the Affordable Care Act, the government basically FORCED 22 million people to do business with Big Pharma and even guaranteed that the premiums they pay will be subsidized by the government when their customers can't afford to pay them! How could big business and those who represent them REALLY be against that? Imagine if the government made a law that forced everyone to buy cars and even promised to subsidize their car notes? Do you think automakers would be against that?

I have never once needed to touch a single thing Cynique has ever posted. Obama never had to "touch" Bin Laden. But I digress.....lol.

Troy and Del I found both of your encounters (or proxy encounters) with our brother Reginald interesting if not slightly fascinating. When I read his book I wished we had Black men like that in every major city, it would have been very inspirational. Sure Troy, most Black people would never become a Reggie Lewis. Hell, most White people would never be. That man had the brains, the charisma, and happened to be born in the right place at the right time to do what he did. But what he could have done is TEACH what he did know so that those few who DO have his talents and abilities can learn and not only do what he did but build upon his work and exceed it......and so on and so forth one generation after the next. Cynique Yes I knew of his untimely death. I declined to mention it but I figured it would come up eventually if the conservation about him continued. Ofcourse dying of such an illness is a bad thing in and of itself, but for a Black person that was so young with so much wealth and potential to succumb to it makes it even worse. When you speak of the irony of his death and his smarts, are you insinuating some sort of conspiracy?

　 Cynique Whenever i see Vice president Pence, a staunch bible-thumper, i just want to bring him down The problem with removing Pence is the same problem with removing Trump. Republicans have set things up in such a way that if you remove ONE you end up with another MUCH WORSE....lol. If Trump gets impeached and removed....PENCE takes over. But if for some reason PENCE get's impeached and removed.....PAUL RYAN takes over! Mel A few points........... -Ofcourse you're right that most AfroAmericans have ancestry from West Africa, but whether one's ancestors are from West, East, or South Africa originally.....the vast majority of us STILL have large amounts of European and Native American ancestry mixed in as well. Which means that that European ancestry theory of genetic memory is still valid. -I hear what you're saying about the West Africans being the original or first people. Perhaps Western science makes this claim and people are going with it, but I don't believe it. Although I'm not 100% sure of it, the Nation of Islam's theory that Blacks actually originated in ASIA and MIGRATED into Africa seems to make more sense to me personally than all of the so-called "evidence" White scientist produce to say otherwise. I know as an educated woman you probably think that's silly, but my intution is telling me that this theory of the NOI is probably closer to the truth than what Western archeologists are telling us. For one, thing when you listen to the stories of African "tribes" (for lack of a better term) that migrated, the vast majority of them claim to have come from the North and East of Africa GOING South and GOING West. And when you look at East Africans like Somalis and Ethiopians and Nubians they look more like Indians or "Asians" and the further South and West you go in Africa the kinkier the hair gets and the more Congoid the features get. I say all of that to say that I believe the West Africans CAME FROM the East Africans, rather than the other way around. - Finally, another theory that comes from the Nation of Islam that I also agree with is that Caucasians came from Black people. However, they didn't come from AFRICANS. The Nation of Islam teaches that White people came from Black people of Asia. Again, though I'm not a scientist and not too educated THIS THEORY still makes more sense to me than what White archeologists and anthropologists claim with the "out of Africa" theory because the difference between Caucasians and Africans are more than just skin color but hair texture and facial features. But when you look at the Blacks of INDIA...the Dravidians.....they basically look like dark skinned Caucasians. So much so that they are even CLASSIFIED as Caucasians racially. But the fact is, I believe....like the Nation of Islam....that it's the other way around. I believe that White people actually came from THEM. So in a nutshell....... I believe that BOTH Black Africans AND White Caucasians are the offspring of Black Asiatic people like the Dravidians of India. Is this belief backed by Western science? No. But I trust my instinct and observations sparked by the teachings of the Nation of Islam more than I trust Western scientists and their constantly changing "facts" on the origins of humanity. You shouldn't be too suprised at your experience with the woman in Peru. Like I said before, most of us have Native American ancestry and it often shows in our phenotype as well as genetic memory. By the way.... I didn't ask you if you had a problem with the men in Italy, I asked did you get hit on by them. I know you said your Asian friend didn't get hit on EITHER....but still, the question wasn't actually answered.....lol. You know most of the White Argentinians are actually of Italian descent right? Italians and Germans were brought into Argentina in mass numbers to "Whiten" the population, lol.

I think Scaramucchi is an interesting character....lol. He has that eastcoast Italian "mafia boss" persona that many Americans respect and some even love. Knowing that most mobsters have nicknames, even calling himself "the mooch" plays into this stereotypical image. It's a shame that so many Italians who themselves weren't very welcomed in this nation for so long and in many circles aren't even considered WHITE....frequently throw their lots in with racist Republicans and Conservatives. Most Italians have a working class unionized history in this nation, but their desire to be bonified "White people" and be well accepted by the W.A.S.P.s forces too many of them to make fools of themselves and overcompensate by doing things like supporting the Republican party and being overtly racist towards Black people.

Troy Know what? Perhaps you should have kept Cynique on as a GUEST poster.....lol....that way you can first carefully examine and then DECIDE whether or not some of that silliness she writes should be viewed by the public. Remember, George W. Bush said: I'm the "decider"...lol.

Troy Yeah, I noticed it too. I was wondering if I went to the wrong site for a second. It reminded me of one of those google "cache" settings where everything is a skeleton of what it should be....lol.

Troy We were all destined to work for companies with the same demographics and sensibilities. Some Black men thrive in this environment I was not one of them. Sure i did my job and often enjoyed it, but I always felt like an outsider, as if I did not belong. This could be me projecting my own bias as well, but the reality I grew tired of "Frontin." And this is the very thing I tell a lot of Black students who go to these major universities. Whatever they're going through in college, I told them to magnify it by 10. There's a certain foul spirit or "off" demeanor in corporate environments that turns most Black men off, especially straight and masculine Black men. The business world was designed by White men for White men, Black men tend to have the most success when they venture off and get their own businesses. One of the books I like to read is one by a brother named Reginal Lewis: 　 He talks about the problems of Black men working in corporate America and how he decided to venture off and get his OWN enterprise going. Cynique English is an international language which does not exclusively belong to America. Ofcourse not.. Just like diamonds, gold, oil, or anything else of value....it's popular and in high demand so it gets exported, lol.

　 Mel You're basically saying the same thing I told Del concerning reincarnation. I told him: "Ever thought of the possibility that you were actually recalling the genetic recordings of your ANCESTORS' LIVES that was encoded in their DNA and passed down to yours but when you recall them you mistake them for your own? " And you're saying the same thing. Concerning your trip to Italy.......... If you're like most Black Americans I'm sure you have Caucasian ancestry and that genetic memory could have been traced back to the Roman Empire and it would explain your knowledge of Rome. Your genes traced back through your European ancestry. BTW.... Did you get hit on by a lot of Italian men? They love Black women overthere and every Black woman I've met who's been over there tell me how big of a fool they act....lol.

That's how "they" get you. The Federal law says one thing and the State or Local law says something else. But if you notice, very few laws are mandatory to be enforced.....meaning each jurisdiction can literally pick and choose WHICH laws they choose to enforce and bust people on and which laws to ignore and let people slide. This is a pretty slick move because it allows the Feds and the State to have contradicting laws but by allowing themselves the option not to enforce them they can stay out of conflict with eachother WHILE arresting whom they choose. So theoretically you can have 5 Black men with weed shops and 5 White men with weed shops all operating in states where selling weed is legal. But if the feds decides to bust the Black businesses and ignore the White ones, they are pretty much within their legal right to do so because selling weed is still a federal crime. See my point? There are many many laws like this that contradict the state, federal, and local penal codes and I believe they are designed on purpose for this very reason. But it goes back to what I was saying about Black people who are in charge and have to opportunity to change things but refuse to take advantage of that opportunity. I doubt most Black people even think along those terms that I just laid out about the contradicting laws being designed to trap them.

Troy Pioneer don't share that theory with anyone else Wasn't planning to, lol. My aim was to share it with YOU, and subsequently you'd start teaching it to your students as an actual science until or unless proven otherwise. If you did me that one SOLID, I'd sure appreciated it....lol.

Sight is one of humanities greatest gifts and we who have it should be thankful. I sincerely wish you a successful surgery and a quick and successful recovery.

People often confuse CRIMINALITY with MORALITY. They mistakenly believe that if something is illegal that must mean it's immoral, and vice versa. Instead of recognizing that laws are MAN MADE and many laws are unjust and totally unnecessary. .....which means many people who are labled "criminals" for repeatedly breaking those laws may indeed be decent people who are victims of an unfair system. A good example of what I'm talking about are the change in the marijuana laws. You have thousands of Black people who are in prison today because at one time dealing weed was ILLEGAL. But now that it is LEGAL a lot of White people doing the exact same thing are getting rich and their freedom isn't in jeopardy.

The sad thing is....... Most Black youth who are inclind toward criminality aren't "testing" these cops. Sadly, I don't think they know any better and pretty much aren't smart enough to stay out of trouble or avoid confrontation. Imagine a bunch of squirrels darting in and out of the street ducking and dodging cars, some of them get hit while others make it across the road. To humans of higher intelligence what they're doing doesn't make sense, but to THEM they don't see any other options or alternatives. Over 20 years ago I did security at an apartment complex and I was amazed at how blazen and frankly stupid a lot of those (many who were actually older than me) who were engaging in criminal behavior were. Many sold drugs openly despite the fact that cameras were all over the place. Others stood around begging and harassing people for money. Some would see bikes laying on the ground or on the grass and after a few looks around would pick the bikes up and try to walk off or ride off with them and this often would lead to fights from the owners but the fact that so many people would steal without planning or seriously trying to conceal their activities were amazing. It's almost like they either WANTED to go to jail or just simply didn't think about that aspect. And then the police would come............. I was doing security but I had to shake my head at what I'd see. I actually felt sorry for most of the people who were getting in trouble because they clearly had mental or intellectual problems that I think went beyond the drug and alcohol problems many had. You KNOW the police don't like you and are armed yet you stand their cussing and arguing with 4 or 5 police officers and even try to run away! Many people would get arrested basically for nothing but much of it was THEIR FAULT. People see the police engaging with someone over an incident and would come out of their unit and instead of monitoring the situation which is legal and what citizens should do.....they'd start jumping in and trying to tell the officers what to do and even touching them and end up getting arrested and hauled off themselves! What was even dumber was that often times they'd come down high with drugs either in their pockets or even in their hands! But these weren't community activists, these were people who are drunk and high and just had some weird crazy idea to come down and meddle in with what the cops were doing. And that was just one experience. Ofcourse many police officers do a lot of criminal and underhanding things. But that security job taught me a lot about how a lot of Black people THEMSELVES often get themselves in trouble with the police doing stupid shit and they really should know better than to do.

This just goes back to the discussion we were having months ago about subtle racism and being able to recognize it. I remember on an episode of The View a few weeks ago Whoopi Goldberg went off on Deray and others who accused the new Apes movie of subliminal racism and said they were crying wolf and grasping for straws. Many of our people simply can't think "deep" enough to recognize how subliminal messages and subtle language as well as dog whistles are used to demean them and influence the image the public has about them. They just can't see it......until someone points it out to them. And even once it's pointed out many of our people are still not smart enough to recognize it and accept it. Actually I believe that apes actually came FROM HUMANS...lol. I can't really prove it but I have this idea that somehow when we were more scientifically advanced Africans mixed human genes with monkeys (the little simians with tails) and through that combination we made APES (gorillas, chimps, ect.....). But when you really look at apes, you can find aspect of thier physique that can be applied to all races.

Troy I believe the grammar among Black people in the United States have devolved also. I watch some old footage of common Black people being interviewed back in the 50s and 60s and even poor and working class Black people seemed to have a better pride in how they talked and used better grammar than most of the youth today. But this devolution of Black grammar is different than "Black Slang" which are the words we invent to convey our thoughts which is also different than "Ebonics" which is our style and structure of speech or it's syntax. The professor NEVER said a word to me! But felt it perfectly OK to talk about me with the other white people, in my absence. I was angered by this, but trust me I never EVER mispronounced that word again. That's what they do! Often times when White people have a problem with you OR OTHER BLACK PEOPLE they may may not say anything to your face about it, but they'll turn right around and rattle on and on about it to other White people. And this is one of the things I try to get across to other Black people, especially younger Black people and how they conduct themselves in public. Noticing this for years I've come to the conclusion that there can only be 2 reasons for this: 1. They fear the reaction of Black people if they decide to call them on errors they make in speech and behavior. or. 2. They secretly RELISH observing Black people making errors in public because they feel it makes them look better or superior. Cynique Not only has cursive (or as my Father used to call it "writing") become nearly extinct among many young people, a friend of mine who is a social worker and had to take SHORT-HAND told me most of the youth she works with hadn't even heard of the term before. But aren't you glad you went to school in AMERICA where you can study the English language and grammar all you want in a nice air conditioned room with your own desk and books with no one bothering you or "affecting" your studies? Be honest........

Saw WFTPOTA a few days ago and it wasn't a bad flick. I personally liked the original more low budget sagas of the 60s and early 70s much better, but this modern trilogy wasn't too bad. But I must say, there was so many subliminal messages in that movie it was disturbing. Deray McKesson and Tariq Nasheed caught a little heat from saying that the movie had racist undertones in it but I have to agree with them whole heartedly that the movie was subtly racist. My only issue with Deray and Tariq is that they used to weakest points to make their case like one of the characters wearing a blue vest. Hell, there were about 10 or 15 stronger points in this movie that would support any claims of racism aimed at it. We don't really need to grasp for straws. Let's start with some of the soldiers wearing signs that read, "The only good ape is a dead ape". That line was clearly lifted from older racist rhetoric from the Jim Crow era. Or the fact that they kept the apes in concentration camps. That wasn't a part of the original movie of the 70s, the apes had their own government. In this one they basically make them slaves and holocaust victims giving it more racial undertones. The female apes often wore beads in their hair for decoration.....and most of us know Black girls tend to wear beads in their hair for decoration. There are so many subliminally racist messages in the movie it ain't even funny.

　 Troy We used to use solid synonymously with favor. As in, "Ma Brother, would you do this solid." You know I actually forgot about that definition of it. I've heard it used that way a few times also. The problem with Black American culture is it's too unstable and constantly changing. As soon as you get used to a style of clothes or words, it changes 5-10 years later. Basically we keep a style or manner of speech for as long as it can remain among us, but as soon as White people learn and begin to adopt it....we change it up again to throw them off, lol. Cynique Black people have a very special relationship with the word "be". Maybe because it assures them that they really exist. So, - they "be", he "be" and do she "be"? Traveling around the nation, I've noticed that the use of "be" is pretty consistent in Black communities regardless of region. For example we'll say, "When them kids come to our house they be all over the place". Or, " She be playing the lottery every day and don't never win". But you never hear Black people say, "I can't talk because I be driving on the freeway right now". Or, "Do you be thirsty and want a drank of water?" Whether it's Detroit, New York, Mississippi, or Los Angeles we all seem to use similar rules of grammer. That's how I know the concept of EBONICS is legitimate.

So now the question is what are the Black people of Baltimore going to DO about White cops planting drugs on them. This is what I mean about the victim mentality and Black folks PLAYING the role of slaves and second class citizens. Black people too often LET other's do shit like that to them and then complain about how they're being treated or how unjust the system is when they have it within their own power to actually DO something about it. Baltimore is a Black city with a Black government. Why do White police officers feel comfortable enough to plant drugs on Black suspects and engage in other unethical activities? Simple. Because based on past experiences they're counting on most of the Blacks in charge to be either too stupid to figure out what's going on or too scared to do anything about it. So now let's see what comes of this.