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Yes... I hope our dear brother Prince went peacefully. He was a true artist. Lol, on a lighter note.... What the hell were you doing laying up "dreaming" about Prince anyway !?!

....and many of the MALE teachers and staff also target Black boys for sex. I still remember being approached by one of the guidance counselors at our middle school. Something told me not to trust him so I just kept nodding my head but never took him up on his offer for more counselling and mentoring. But he was so smooth with it, there's no telling how many boys he probably trapped.

Sara I pretty much agree on the "revisionist history," P. Although I've never seen any blond, blue-eyed Indians. They tend simply to have paler skin. Pretty much everyone in the highest caste, the Brahmins, are pale-faced They are few, but they're there. Usually in the mountainous Northwest parts of the nation where the first Aryans settled. You find them in Pakistan and Afghanistan too. Most of them don't come to the West as often as the darker Indians because they already enjoy a very prestigious social and economic life in India being of the higher castes. It's similar to how most of the Mexicans who come to the U.S. tend to be the darker Indian and Meztizos while the ligher Spaniard Mexicans rarely see a need to come here as they already enjoy a high standard of living in Mexico.

Troy Pioneer, you know that story about an Aryan invasion of India has been largely discredited as myth or perhaps British propaganda. At any rate there is not evidence that this occurred. There however is ample evidence to show that America's "peculiar institution" was indeed peculiar because enslavement was based upon one's phenotype (one's so called "race"), in perpetuity. This was an American invention. Yes, I've heard from a few who have fell victim to skilled revisionists that the "Aryan Invasion" was no longer valid history. But historians have been known to lie and distort history depending on the political atmosphere of the day. So how can we allow people WHO'S OWN credibility is often called into question..."discredit" anything of history? It would be best to look at the evidence and decide the truth for ourselves. Most of the evidence points to the fact that there was INDEED an invasion by Aryans from the Northwest who came in and conquered the darker skinned natives of that region: 1. The languages that dominate northern India are Indo-European and vastly different than the Tamil and other Dravidian laguages of the South and Eastern part of India. 2. The PEOPLE of Northern India tend to be lighter (with more Caucasian features like blonde hair and blue eyes that can't be blamed on less sunlight) than the darker skinned Indians of the South. 3. The caste system of social heirarchy that still exists and is being practiced in many parts of India today is actually called the "Varna" or COLOR system and it was originally based directly on the amount of Aryan/White blood a person had in determinine their social status. Pure Aryans were at the top, pure Dravidians (Black Indians) were on the bottom. The Black Untouchables (lowest caste) had the most oppressive and dangerous jobs and this system was strictly enforced for thousands of years. The evidence of the Aryan invasion is crystal clear, the British just exploited a system that already existed. Again, race and skin color being attached to slavery and oppression isn't unique just to the United States. The same racist codes of oppression were practiced in Mexico, Cuba, Brazil and through out Central and South America. If Blacks weren't being persecuted for their skin color then Native Americans were. On the flip side....... Muslim Arabs and Muslim Africans enslaved millions of Whites from eastern Europe specifically. So much so that that word "slavery" actually comes from the ethnic term "Slavic" from all the Slavs/Eastern Europeans who were captured and enslaved. They were taken to Arabia and North Africa to be used as slaves, concubines, and gladiators and were known as "Mamlukes". So my basic point is while most slavery was based on warfare and the enemy being captured and bonded, there are cases of history before America where race was a determinine factor in enslavement and oppression.

Chasitie On a second note, wouldn't you all argue that the ghost of slavery itself haunts America, even if actual slaves do not? Certainly the LEGACY of slavery haunts the United States. ....and every other nation in this hemisphere that instituted slavery. Not only do I believe individual people have souls, I also believe entire nations have a sort of "soul" or "spirit" or "mind" (whichever one chooses) that comes into existence with it. I guess it could be what Jung called the "collective unconscious". And this pervades through out the history of that nation continuing to influence it and BE influenced by it.

I heard there were some problems with NYC polling stations. They said many people who attempted to vote for the Democrat candidates couldn't cast their ballots or their registrations couldn't be found. If this is true, they better correct this problem before November. It's funny you say New York is a blue state. I haven't spent much time in New York but I used to live in Pennsylvania and I was surprised at how rural and conservative so much of that state is given that it's on the Eastcoast.

Chasitie if we are unhappy with the schoools, why dont the parents boycott? Dont send them. Stop going. Stop participating...just one week. Or reinforce with your own teaching. I agree, with all of thee above....but for MORE than a week. Perhaps most of our youth should just leave the public education system all together since the drop our rate for Black boys in the United States is approaching 50% anyway. Most Black boys drop out of school not because they aren't smart enough, but because of how they are treated by the teachers and staff. Half of the female teachers are trying to entice them into sex, the other half are intimidated by them and seek to expell them for the most minor of offenses. I've complained about the Western educational system for years and how it robs Black and Brown children (especially males) of their creativity and tends to give them low self esteem. You spend 12 years learning what a LOSER you ad your race is and how magnificent the European race is.

Dr J Cynthia ....the sharing of mates will not work in a system of white supremacy/racism, it is against the law. Our ancestors were able to share mates and it was with in our culture. I'm afraid Cynthia is no longer with us. I suggest you "redirect" all questions you have for her to others qualified to answer them.

Sara Where do you get these references from? My "spirituality?" What do ghosts have to do with spirituality??? Uhhhh...because it's commonly understood that ghosts are the spirits of the departed. Voudun has nothing to do with ghosts haunting people! And flesh and blood people/slaves poisioning slavers has nothing to do with the topic. Actually, both are related. Vodoun and other African religions deal extensively with not only the spiritual well being of the individual while they are living, but also the state of their spirit/soul after they are physically dead. Ancestor veneration and the constant sacrificing and pouring of libations to deceased relatives is testimony to this. And slaves poisoning and putting "roots" on their masters was a way they got even with them before death just as haunting them would be a way of doing so after death. What do these spirits do to the victims? Do they move furniture, go "booooo" in the night, what? My understanding is that it's mostly on a psychological level...... They give them insomnia, depression, anxiety problems, nightmares, many even begin to hear the voices of thier victims and see visions of them coming at them at night. They often have reoccurring nightmares that force them to relive the same violent scenes over and over again. Sometimes they might replace themselves with the murderer's OWN children or other loved one in the nightmare to make it even more disturbing. Again, most combat veterans suffering from PTSD will tell you this I must admit that I haven't seen a ghost personally (though I have had spiritual experiences), to say for sure that I KNOW they exist. But I've known many credible people who say they have, so I can't easily dismiss the possiblity.

Sara I gave it credence until I saw and heard this video. I mean, I've NEVER heard any white person say the ghosts of slaves haunted them.... or their house. And like Paul says, if ghosts exist, the ghosts of slaves would fukk a hellava lot of white people up! So no, at this point in time, I call B.S. on "ghosts." Oh come on now, don't tell me Paul Mooney has influenced your spirituality.....lol. I actually believe a lot of slaves DID haunt their masters, and many even poisoned them and their families while they were alive...which was why Vodoun and other forms of African spirituality were outlawed for slaves to practice. I'm not a "spiritologist" but based on my LIMITED understanding of the spiritual world, perhaps the answer to Paul's skepticism may have 2 heads: 1. The spirits of the dead actually DO often hang around and haunt the living they felt treated them with severe injustice. Talk to anyone who has been in combat and has killed many innocent people and most of them will tell you with certainty that they are HAUNTED by the spirits of those innocents they killed. That's where a lot of PTSD comes from. 2. Very few if any spirits hang around the Earth plane for hundreds of years. T'hey hang around for some period of time to comfort their family and loved ones (or haunt their enemies) and then they eventually move on to the "light" and transition to another realm. Given those two reasons which is common knowledge to most people who are educated in spiritual things, there would be no reason to believe slaves who died hundreds of years ago would still be hanging around Earth just to play games with the great great great grandchildren of their former masters.

Western Civilization has people of African descent going in the wrong "direction" as far as social customs are concerned. For that reason, I don't think it's such a bad idea to go back and STUDY our roots for a basic blueprint of our proper "nature" as a people of African descent. Knowing what foods we should eat, hair and skin products to use, marital customs, and other social habits to practice. Knowing this will probably point us in the RIGHT direction, by giving us social customs that jive more with OUR nature as people of African descent instead of continuing to follow destructive Western culture. However once we're pointed in the right direction, after that we should PROCEED in that direction and continue onward towards more and more scientific and technological progress in higher and higher stages. Otherwise, it makes no sense to go "back" to the same vulnerable condition that allowed our people to be enslaved in the first place. Troy But we are mistreated globally, not because of the color of our skin, but because of greed. The color of our skin, as the reason for mistreatment, is a relatively new idea You'd be suprised at how far back anti-Black racism goes. When a Caucasian people called "Aryans" first invaded India over 3 thousands years ago they encountered the Black skinned Dravidians in Mohenjo Daro and other cities and after killing and enslaving them set up a caste system based on race and skin color that was more elaborate than what the United States had in the antebellum South. Infact in India today you still find the darkest skinned people on the bottom of society as a result of this original race based caste system that is over 3,000 years old. Similar anti-Black systems can be found in communities around the Middle East and North Africa. I agree with you that ignorane (and fear) are the biggest enemies to the Black race. Infact, they are the two biggest enemies to HUMANITY. Eliminate ignorance and fear and over 95% of human problems would not only be solved....they probably would never materialize in the first place.

Cynique If you noticed, I didn't say they DIDN'T teach it...I said I never came across it. When Elijah Muhammad's brother John was still alive he used to teach and I would go to hear him speak from time to time and heard things from HIM that I NEVER heard or read from Nation of Islam literature or Elijah Muhammad's speeches. Nor am I questioning what you may have heard from Malcolm. I know for a fact that we often witness things with our own eyes and ears that doesn't make it on the "official" records of history. Growing up in Detroit you could watch a crime or accident go down in the street and if it was big enough to make news you run to the television later on that night to see it and the reporters end up telling it NOTHING like what you saw yourself. Half of the description is wrong and it seems that some news reports even feature people in the story that you've never even SEEN in the years you've been living in that neighborhood. You turn on the 11 pm news and you see some fool running his mouth with a showercap on and tattoos but you were out there on the same block all day since the incident occurred and NEVER saw him..lol. My only point was that I studied the Nation's teachings heavy when I was younger so I know that in most of their official literature they teach that White skin came about through a sort of selective breeding...not a curse, regardless as to any casual statements made by some of it's members. As far as racists claiming Noah cursed his son Ham Black, the fact that they claim it is true.....but the object of the curse is Biblically not true which just exposes more of their ignorance. I've also read the Bible from cover to cover and most curses in the Old Testament involve turning the skin WHITE...not Black. For examples: Exodus 4: 6 "Again, the LORD said to him, "Put your hand inside your cloak." And he put his hand inside his cloak, and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous like snow." 2 Kings 5:27 "Because you have done this, you and your descendants will suffer from Naaman's leprosy forever." When Gehazi left the room, he was covered with leprosy; his skin was white as snow." In most cases the "leprosy" of the Old Testament spoken of as a curse actually turned the skin White and not Black. If more Christians would actually read the book they claimed to believe in instead of letting preachers tell them what was in it, most would know better than to believe Blackness was a curse.

I've been watching more and more of Paul's videos lately. Homeboy sounds as gay as a rainbow, but he's bold and unapologetic in his delivery and very on point in his observations of racism in America. I can't believe I'm just now tuning into this brother after all this time. Troy The show looks exceedingly stupid. Lol @ "exceedingly" stupid........damn. That sounds like a stupid that goes beyond the limits of typical stupidity.

Sara 　 Negro, please! You don't have to beg. Just start being nicer to me and I MIGHT....lol. 　 Oh! Just in case I decide to tell in what war black men kicked the U.S. Army's butt, killing at least 20 white soldiers for every black one (in some cases, darn near 100 whites killed for every brutha biting the dust! lol)... in case I decide to SHARE knowledge of that war, tell us - what war am I talking about? Uh, and if you don't answer, please don't come up with "I knew that!" .... should/when I decide to 'share I hope you're not talking about Somalia back in the 90s. That wasn't an official war, and a lot more Somalis died in the conflict than Americans. They were just so relentless that Clinton decided to pull out early ((he made the same mistake with Monica...lol)). If you're NOT talking about Somalia, then please share you knowledge with me and the viewers. Anyway, I just came across this question on my way out the door so whether you tell me I'm right or wrong don't expect a response from me until later.

Sara I said desert Caucasians because they came down from the Caucasus mountains and migrated to the desert areas of Iraq and Syria and became what was known as the Hyksos, Hitities, Hebrews, Assyrians, and other groups...... Uh, (snicker) NEXT time so there can be no, er, uh, misunderstanding give the correct answer rather than the incorrect one that makes you have to "backtrack." Wheee!!!!! Well, "Wheeeeeeee" my ass...lol I'm not the one who said "Ham" had the curse in the first place. I was responding to the original statement Cynique made...word for word. But of course you didn't "look it up." It's just 'coincidental' that you and Wiki came to the same conclusion.... INDEPENDENTLY! I gues so. We both tend to come to our conclusions based on FACTS and solid research. I had known for years from reading other sources that the "myth" of Canaan being cursed was made up by Jewish Rabbis to justity them their taking of the land BEFORE wikipedia even existed. The Aryans came up with the same excuse to demonize the Dravidians to justify taking the Indus Valley region from them...calling them evil and animalistic. ou won't find THAT in Wikipedia. Your momma has titties. Would she extend her titties sympathy to Cynique? I suppose any woman with titties would...lol. If I had a pair of titties myself, I wouldn't want to even THINK about them eventually become leathery. What the....??? So NOW it comes out - YOU'RE Cynique's alter ego! Oh, for shame. SMDH If you think I'm Cynique's "alter-ego"....you've been shaking your head TOO damn much...lol. Stop that.

The Zika virus causes pregnant women to produce babies with abnormally small brains and craniums. I WOULD post pictures to show how devastating it is, but seeing them would probably be too sad for some of the more sensitive viewers.

Troy I didn't know he wrote for the Original Gangsta of comedy himself! After I read that a couple days ago, I actually started doing a little research on Paul and listening to some of his skits....now I like the guy, lol. I have to admit I hadn't really listened to his actual standup routine. What little I knew about him was from what I saw of him either doing an interview on CNN or on a talk show and his feminine demeanor and political commentary wasn't very appealing. But the brother IS funny as hell doing stand up. Sara Paul's message was that ghosts didn't exist. Do you?

Sara No need to post on this silly, (almost pathetically) childish thread Now Sara....it's not nice to keep insulting my thread ((smile)) If this thread is childish, then you add some maturity to it by doing the grown up thing and making nice with your big sister Cynique. Michael Jackson said go ahead....make that change! Both Sara and Cynique I'm a patient man...really...I am. But everyone has their limits..... Yall gonna make me put my grown-ass-man pants on in a minute and start STOMPIN' up in this mug!

　 Sara ((if you feel like coming back to this thread...lol)) The bible was written before 638 A.D. So was Homer's "The Odyssey"...what's your point? At any rate, it is well that you don't believe in that "Noah cursing Ham" garbage because nowhere in the bible does it says Noah cursed his son, Ham I know it actually says it was his grandson Canaan. But regardless, it's still garbage. I peronally believe the story was made up during the Jewish exile in Babylon to justify their taking the land of Canaan from the people who were already living there. How can anyone who gets drunk stand on the moral highground to curse someone else....and that curse be honored? 　 Come on Sara.......... Now why would you sit up there and talk about that woman's titties like that? You KNOW there is no such thing as titties turning "leathery".....lol. That's right! I still can't believe you'd say such a thing about another woman's titties. You have titties of your own....Sara....you should have more empathy, lol. it has waaaaay more free time than even the average octogenarian! The average octogenarian doesn't know how to post on the internet! I'm under 50 and still don't know how to use Instagram. And don't WANT to....lol. Cynique The Black Muslims said white skin was the mark of Noah. I've studied the Nation of Islam teachings and never came across that one, however there are some scholars who believe the mythological "Mark of Cain" was White skin. Many also believe that the "leprosy" of the Bible was a curse of White skin or what we now call "vitiligo" today. But I personally don't believe that entire races or ethnic groups are cursed from the actions of one ancestor. The closest thing to a "generational curse" would be a genetic defect, which is usually through no fault of the ancestor but probably came about through some form of incest. People need to understand that in Western Civilization, White supremacy is the OBJECTIVE. Religion, laws, science, and other institutions are just METHODS used to achieve the objective. In the past when people were more religious, White Supremists used religion and religious books to justify their mistreatment of people of color by claiming they were descendants of a "cursed Cain" or a "Cursed Canaan". But now, since much if not most of their religions have turned out to be based on falsehood and stolen mythology....they've turned to "science". So now White Supremists use "science" to justify their racist behavior by claiming Black people are either intellectually inferior or less evolved. It's all garbage not based on actual facts, but cherry picked bits and pieces of pseudo-science and mythology patched together to justify the mistreatment of people.

Cynique No, I'm not a mason. I'm sorry, I didn't intend for my reference to God to be taken as a RELIGIOUS reference. I'm speaking from a non-religious point of view, though I do consider myself spiritually inclined with a strong belief in the Supreme Being. Nor do I believe in that "Noah cursing Ham" garbage. Most of the stories of the Bible were written by Semites....desert Caucasians who had to justify their racist genocidal takeover of Black lands in the Middle East.

I'm not sure what's on television, I hear it going in the other room....but it would be haaard for a brutha to find something that would beat this Richard Pryor flick I got on right now: "Which Way Is Up"

Oh lord, the girl done picked her gun back up....... Cynique I too used to say "Whatever floats your boat"....until everybody else started saying it. Now I like to end disagreements with, "Well...whatever helps you sleep at night". CD Though I'm not quite ready to lable the United States the BEST nation in the world because I haven't been to every nation to qualify that statement....I believe it's up there in the top 10. ((smile)). Personally, I like Canada better. I fell in love with it the first time I went there after experiencing females actually hitting on me. That was something that used to rarely happen in the United States. I remember going to the mall and seeing Chinese girls wearing Fila with their hair braided up, and Chinese men with fades and earrings. I thought to myself, something is DIFFERENT about this place. Then at the airport a White woman asked me to hold her purse while she took a picture of her relatives and I started looking around for a video camera thinking it was a joke....lol. The social attitude there as compared to here was like day and night. The taxes are high, but in my opinion Canada is a healthier place for Black psychological health. But if America is indeed the best nation on Earth, best believe it's because we FORCED her into greatness! And we can't stop....we have to keep pushing. We can be grateful, and we should be. But once you get SATIFIED with the way things are and stop adding more fuel to the fire....like a car in neutral if you aren't going forward then you go backwards. We're seeing now what happens when people stop fighting for more and more government benefits...they start stripping them away. Look at how expensive healthcare and college tuition has become. You had to go to the military and risk your life and disability just to get a good college education, meanwhile the German, the British, the French boy your same age was able to go to college for FREE during that same time period. Why? Because while the United States was spending hundreds of billions of dollars to protect Europe.....since they didn't have to spend money building their military Europe could focus it's revenue on benefits for it's own citizens like free healthcare and free college education. Sara When a system is set up to ensure you fail, you will most likely be prevented from taking advantage of "said" freedoms. Yes, there will always be a token, but as a group, well, since everything is interconnected, SAID system will fail if it permits the group to partake of its goodies, unmolested. Reform only goes so far. Surely the system is set up for certain people to fail, but I believe God has the power to override ANY system and bless whom He chooses to prevail. Even during slavery there were Black people who were wealthy and prosperous. There have always been Black people who were blessed to achieve greatness despite the pressures against them. There is a certain type of Karma that tends to balance things out, even on the racial level. You think you wiped out the Native Americans, but they return to the land...this time speaking Spanish as Mexicans and Central Americans. I've even heard that America was secretly set up with the knowledge that Blacks would not only eventually gain thier freedom, but the forefathers also knew that through this nation we would eventually gain our rightful place on the planet.

I rarely sit down and watch television now. For some reason I've just lost interest in most of what's on nowadays. I find more enjoyment on the computer looking at old movies and documentaries hooked up to a large monitor and speakers.

Cynique I'd have to get one or both of my daughters to agree to accompany me to an event that takes place in the middle of the week. Where you at.....I'll come and get you, LOL. I HOPE you don't have a curfew. Or a problem holding your liquor...lol. PS. You can't STILL bring both of your daughters. Sara ....alright now Sara, don't be difficult...lol. Come on and do the right thing. You'll feel MUCH better afterwards! ((audience)) See....I KNOW what they wanna do. They wanna quiet down and slowly ease away from hostilities without giving a Black man credit for making the peace. If I were a White dude trying to bring them to the table they'd be crying and hugging eachother and taking back everything nasty they ever said while kissing and slobbering all over me. But that's OK...... Like Usher said, I'm still gonna tip my hat and pop that collar and keep working....lol.

Sara Not only is the system currently in operation in the nation designed for Black people to fail, WESTERN SOCIETY in general was designed to benefit Whites and malign people of color. It was designed this way during the European Renaissance as a way to maintain power and dominion over the territory and people's they conquered. The diet which promotes a lot of starches and dairy products is against our nature. The cold highy individualistic social customs are against our nature. The nuclear family structure is against our nature. The overly-cereberal and less kinetic academic system is against our nature. The dreamy unattainable and usually sexually restrictive moral codes are against our nature. But there is hope if we choose to take advantage of some of the SAID freedoms America originally intended for it's White male citizens but WE now have after much struggle. Taking advantage of them can give us a window of opportunity to correct other imbalances in the system and allow more of us to prosper in it.