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Troy and Cynique I've heard both of you say you like Game of Thrones. Infact, I've heard quite a few Black people say they like it. I haven't had HBO in years so I only caught a few seasons of it, but I remember it as being a typical White male ego booster. When I watched it, it was basically White men living out their fantasies of slaughtering their enemies, all types of naked women (many underage) chasing them around and getting naked to have sex with them, and very few of any Black men or men of any color to get in the way of their fantastic fun. Why do so many Black people like a show that basically tells the world how brave and attractive White men are? Does it not promote White supremacy?

Ok, let me get this straight............. On early Sunday MORNING hurricane Irma made landfall and started going straight up the middle of Florida. But late Sunday NIGHTt....YOU....decide to make an obviously WRONG "prediction" about the path it WILL take despite the fact that it has ALREADY taken a path and is even beginning to weaken and whither away. Wanna know MY prediction? I predict that if you don't seek professional help quick.....your imagination is going to carry you to a place you probably won't want to go, lol.

No, I haven't seen it yet but...... If Girls Trip is the most successful Black film ever......that says a lot about the quality of Black films, lol

Korea (both Koreas) tends to be a very XENOPHOBIC culture. Which means that their culture demand that EVERYONE conform to the same looks and codes of conduct. There are plenty of Americans who also share this view, but thankfully I think most of them are in the minority. When most Americans see the diversity of the United States....they see beauty or a symphony of various races and cultures who live together to produce a great nation. But when most Koreans see the diversity of the United States.....they see a circus or jungle of different "weird" peoples all doing their own thing. The problem with this type of thinking is that it leads to stagnation, no creativity, and lack of growth because everyone is forced to do the same shit over and over again by culture. As much as they may criticize America and the West, if you notice they try their damnedest to be like the West.

Del You eluded to it when you mentioned black leaders should be more street. Or is that stretching the point to much. ????? Now you got me saying "Black leaders should be more street" ???? Lol....man, where are you GETTING these quotes? I don't recall saying ANY of this. Again, can you please show me the posts? What in the world is HAPPENING to you down there in the down under...lol. You better come back home...lol.

Nubian I often question if we were the same people. What if the Native Americans were Black? The Americas BEFORE Columbus was certainly populated by a large number of Black people ALONG WITH with the dominant race of brown skinned straight haired people most commonly refered to as Native Americans. All you have to do is read the writings of Columbus and other European explorers in their journals about encountering "negroes" among the Native populations as they moved about. You can also look at the Olmec heads of Black men down in Mexico that were build before the 1400s as evidence of Black men being here. Now as to the origin of these Black people...... I'm not sure if they were indigenous to the land but I've heard that Mansa Musa's brother Abu Bakr actually sailed across the Atlantic centuries before Columbus along with a group of his soldiers and settled into parts of the Americas. Even before that we hear of extensive trading between Africans and Native Americans going back millenia. Infact, they have found tobacco and cocaine in ancient Egyptian tombs for the pre-pharoahic nobility with is proof of some sort of contact with the Western Hemisphere! And I don't mean the 5 dollar Indians either. I know what you mean......lol. These blonde haired blue eyed White people CLAIMING Native American ancestry. One of the problems is that there are so few REAL full blooded Native Americans left in the United States that most people don't know what real Native Americans actually look like. Most of those calling themselves Natives are damn near White with only trace amounts of Native ancestry; meanwhile many people who are called "Black" by American standards (one drop rule) actually have more Native American physical traits than African....but arent' recognized as such. Del Thanks Nubian Fellow. Indigenous people of America have a culture a language and a place. That makes a huge difference The indigenous people of this land or Native Americans are in my opinion FAR worst condition than AfroAmericans. Most of the real ones....in the United States....have been wiped out and replaced with White people who've stolen their culture and perverted it. And most of the real ones OUTSIDE of the United States don't even consider themselves Native Americaan but rather have taken on a Spanish identity....calling themselves Mexican or Peruvian ect... Only a small minority are actually reall full blooded Native American and practice their original culture.

Del Pioneer in your own words. I ain't black enough. ???? I don't have the best memory in the world so perhaps I'm mistaken, but I don't recall ever telling you that. But since you say those are "my words" and my words on here are recorded.....I suppose it wouldn't be a problem for you to show me where I've said that. Perhaps you are indicative of other black that can't see another black person as an expert. I can neither partake nor condone Black Whinerys. I didn't ask when will you sit down with PIONEER.....lol. I asked when will you sit down with other Black professionals like Mel and Troy and plan out some sort of viable economic plan for Black America. Are THEY "Black whinerys" too? So i am coloborating with non Black occultist since Black people have either nit taken my scholarship seriously or they don't put in the time. If your work isn't being take seriously by other Black people then that means you haven't demonstrated your abilities to their satisfaction.....so they don't have much confidence in you. The question is: Is that THEIR fault or yours? Mel 　 "Have you ever worked an economic development program?" Yes Have you even been on a steering committee? No. 　 Black America can have their own economic plan but if there's going to be any type of economic development for a group of people that aren't centrally located a plan would be a start but it will take money and time to execute. Even with a plan, unfortunately, groups of people will still be left behind. There's ALWAYS going to be people left behind no matter what plan we come up with because there's always going to be segments of the population who either don't have the abilty or the desire for any meaninful success. But HOW MUCH of our people are left behind socio-economically depends upon which industry we decide to focus our efforts on building. I don't have a lot of confidence that focusing on robots and artificial intelligence is going to raise enough interest in enough Black people for it to be a viable market to focus our efforts on. I don't mind if SOME Black people who have a keen interest in it engage. I just don't think it's an industry MOST or even a large minority of us should focus too much time or energy on because it's near useless to us as a people. Our people need to focus on getting the yoke of White supremacy off their necks. They need to be able to feed themselves, house themselves, grow their own food, purify the toxic waters in their environmnet, sustain themselves in general....... Playing around with robots and transistors isn't something that will interest the vast majority and it's really something we shouldn't feel too bad about being "left behind" on because it doesn't satify an immediate need anyway. Look..... I'm not "anti technology" and advancment. I'm all for it. But let us not put the cart before the horse. White people come up with all this crap because they've already established an independent civilization and accumulated wealth. So they can afford to experiement with AI and computer sex and all this other sci-fi stuff. We have more pressing and more immediate needs that the most educated among us should focus their energies and efforts on.

Cynique Lol..... Arab is no more a "generic" term for non-Jewish semites than Japanese is a "generic" term for non-Chinese Asians. I'm sure there are plenty of Armenians in the Chicago area, go up to on of them and call them an Arab and see what happens....lol Better yet..... After they've corrected you about NOT being an Arab, I dare you to give THEM the same explaination as to why they ARE Arabs that you've just given me.....lol. No....don't do that. We like having you around here.....lol. 　 You're trying your BEST to turn this into a "Black man bashing" and "you better not say shit about another Black woman" b-side thread.....lol.....but I'm not taking the bait. I've said what I've said and I'm standing by what I've said. If you think Serena should let some White man with an accent take advantage of her and steal all of her money because....well....because Black men with money marry White women too....then you're entitled to your opinion, lol.

Troy I agree that a person should have the right to marry whoever they want. But when I look at Serena Williams and how so many Black men objectified her and her body. I mean....she was a little too muscular for me....but most Black men glorified her big butt and curves and I almost NEVER heard any White man talk about how attractive she was. Now all of a sudden some White dude we've never heard of comes and gets with her and she get's pregnant by him? It just raises a lot of questions for me. You probably already know, White men see marriage as more of a business deal than a loving relationship which allows them to marry and even have children with women they don't even find attactive let alone love. 　 Cynique Serena's fiance is an Armenian, which means he is an Arab ????? Armenians aren't Arabs. They are closer to Iranians (Persians) than Arabs. No, he's not flat broke. But Serena's got a hell of a lot more money than he does and I believe his sole intention is to GET some of it. As far as her being screwed over by Black men......this is the first time I'm hearing about it. Maybe she has been. Still, my point remains that this White man (Caucasian atleast) most likely DOESN'T love her and is just using her to increase his bank account. i don't hear you bruhs complaining about all the money being taken out of the black community by the white wives of rich niggas Didn't I mention that silly ass Tiger Woods? Michael Jordan is another one. Rich Black men who've married White women have BEEN making fools out of themselves. So is it now ok for Black women to try and catch up???

According to the Mayor, having a chief storyteller will help Detroiters and their neighborhoods a stronger voice in the media. Lol.... This is from a Mayor who has focused nearly ALL of his attention and the city's resources on downtown and the entertainment district while utterly abandoning the surrounding neighborhoods. This is a purely PR move..... We have an upcoming Mayoral election and the incumbent Mike Duggan is slipping in his popularity. Duggan is a White mayor of a Black city and his challenger....Coleman A. Young II... is gaining in support because of a recent rash of racist incidents happening around the city that he's been highlighting. This was a pr move done in an attempt to win over the support of some in the Black community.

Left behind? Hell, instead of trying to keep up perhaps that best thing to do is actually go in ANOTHER damn direction...lol. I know you asked Del specifically but I just wanted to drop this quickly......... How should this generation prepare? We should prepare by establishing OUR OWN economy and controling it instead of letting the dominant White economic system and it's ever mutating fetishes and fads (from industrial age....to communications age....now to "artificial intelligence" age) influence our financial destiny. One of the reasons so many Black men and women are on the streets today or locked up in jail or dead is because instead of doing OUR OWN THING and taking control of the farms and factories we had in our possession for so much of the 19th and 20th centuries and being content making our livings through them......like the Amish and Menonites and other "backwards yet self sufficient" groups have managed to do- .....too many of us are obssessed with trying to KEEP UP with White folks and what THEY call "progress". Too many of our people say: White folks are getting rich flipping houses....WE should start flipping houses. White folks are getting rich off Ebay and internet businesses.....WE should get in on it. White folks are getting into artificial intelligence.....WE should get in on it while the getting is good!!! Just following them around like puppy hounds. When will the time come where Mel, Del, Cynique, and Troy along with other Black professionals and thinkers sit down at a conference table and map out THEIR OWN economic plan designed specifically for BLACK AMERICA? Tell White analysts and investors that if they want to play around with robots and rubics cubes, by all means knock yourselves out.....but as for US....we're going to focus on agricultural and industrial development. We MUST CHART OUR OWN COURSE !

Cynique I'm curious. How did i try to deceive you? Like you're doing now..... Playing innocent and acting like you don't know what I'm talking about when you know full well. 　 If a woman is deceptive, then how do you know she is sneaky? Because I'm able to see through the deception and CATCH her as she's TRYING to be sneaky.....lol. 　 Troy 　 I can't begin to comprehend this. "Black" deals with phenotype, "Latino" deals ethnicity, and "Asian" deals with geography. So called Black people can fit into all of these categories and white people can easily fit into the Hispanic and Asian categories. In other words it is impossible to make sense of your statement. Maybe if you cited the scientific proof that will make more sense to me. I'm sorry I posted in a bit of a rush last night because I was in a hurry so let me try to clarify..... Allow me to replace "Black, Latino, and Asian" with "African, Native American, and East Asian" peoples. People of color generally have more taste buds and can taste a wider variety of flavors than White people. This affects our cultures and the type of foods we eat which makes our cultures different than theirs. As for scientific proof, check out this scientific magazine article that backs up the fact that many people have known for decades if not centuries: "Studies have shown that around 25% of people are said to be non-tasters, 25% supertasters and 50% medium tasters. These numbers can vary depending on sex and ethnicity. Women are more likely to be supertasters and so are people from Asia, Africa and South America." http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/body/articles/senses/supertaster.shtml As the article pointed out, people of color just have more taste buds than White people, and this affects the differences in our cultures. White scientists have KNOWN this about themselves, but most Black people have no idea that their tongues and taste buds are different. This is an example of important knowledge that has been kept from them that I mentioned months ago and how we need our own scientists instead of relying on White scientists to tell us the truth about ourselves. Alcohol consumption is a GREAT example of the taste buds genetics between the races............... Most people who have experienced a varity of cultures have recognized the alcohol consumption is a LARGE staple of European culture. White people both here in America as well as Europe LOVE drinking and getting drunk. One of the reasons for this is explained by the fact that most of them...especially White men....don't have the bitter taste receptors to to detect the bitter taste of alcohol like most other races.

Troy My fight is not against white people, but the systems that create white racists. Some racists are born, but MOST are actually made by society. And the reason so many White people BECOME racist is because they look at Black people in this society and see them as inferior. And the reason they see Black people as inferior is because they see so many Black people not being able to function or make it in this society and many often forced to beg, hustle, and live lives of crime just to survive. You may not want to hear this............ But I'm beginning to believe that most of the problems Black people have in this society is not as a DIRECT result of racism but from not being able to function in such a COMPLEX society like this, that has been developed by Whites for Whites. To make it plain and simple, most of our people simply aren't smart enough to manage or manuever their way through out this society successfully and this is one of the main reasons why they keep having problems financially, legally, socially, and otherwise...... Many White people know this and they choose to take advantage of our people because of this. They know they aren't smart enough to understand various financial contracts so they take advantage of them financially. They know they aren't smart enough to understand certain legal things so they take advantage of them legally and they end up in prison. And so on and so on..... I'm not saying this is the case with ALL Black people, you and many others are very very intelligent and probably have little problem achieving success in a society as complex as this, but many just don't have the smarts to do it and that's a sad fact that we're going to have to accept if we want to solve some of the problems we face. The only human solution to this problem is for INTELLIGENT Black people to take the reins of leadership in the community and work on forging a new society for Black Americans that is simple enough yet progressive enough for us to prosper in. The only way most of us can make it is if we build a NEW society and the educated professional Black men and women must us their skills to help do this. Nubian and I am not convinced that the Chinese wouldn't be more brutal with us than white people are now. I've often thought about this also. Especially as they move more and more into Africa. Honestly....... I don't think Chinese would do sneaky underhanded things like AIDS and crack and poisoning the water just to keep control over Black people. They probably would be more open in using force like killing outright or imprisonment....similar to how they handle their own people. Asians make it clear how they feel about you, which in a way lessens the confusion. You mentioned Latinos and how they're treated similarly to Black people. Aside from the fact that many Latinos are actually Black (and many are White); most Latinos from Mexico are actually NATIVE AMERICAN. They are Aztec Indians whose ancestors were enslaved by the Spanish and now call themselves Mexican, or Guatamalan, or El Salvadorian. Native Americans......in my observation....are the closest race to Black people in intellect and temparment and they act more like us than any other race which is probably why they're treated so much like us by Whites. They too can't function in this complex society that was developed BY and FOR Whites and this is why so many of them are alcoholic, in prison, and have a high suicide rate. The only other race that seems to be able to function and do well inside the White socio-economic infrastructure are East Asians.

Black people....especially Black Americans.....just want attention. Most people want attention, that's human. But the difference is many of our people are so psychologically damaged and feel so inferior about themselves and are so desparate for attention that they'll do ANYTHING (including kill other people like the Cleveland killer) to get other people to notice them and pay them some attention. Social media just provides a platform for them to get the attention they crave so much......just like sites like the one Troy's providing is a platform for US to bring attention to our views and thoughts.

Troy Pioneer the differences you are attributing to race are a function of culture or evil. This is true. But as we discussed months ago in another thread, CULTURE is heavily influenced by GENETICS (race). The genetic traits of a group of people (as in a race) heavily influence their cultural practices. For example............... What makes up a culture? Food, language, marriage customs, dress..... Take marriage: Black men tend to have a high testosterone rate than White men, so if you look at Black cultures we have MULTIPLE WIVES and having a high sex drive even as an old man is valued, where as in European cultures MONOGAMY is the norm and celibacy is valued. Take food: Black and Latino and Asian people have been scientifically proven to have more "super tasters"......or have more active taste buds.....than White people. And because of having more taste buds and desiring more flavors, Black and Asian cuisines tend to use more spices and colors in their foods. And the same can be said about language, dress, and other aspect of culture. Race or genetic traits of the majority of the people heavily influence the culture. 　 Cynique Sneaky and deceptive? Yes....that's right. Have i ever deceived you? You tried Or been anything but aggressive in my arguments with you? Rarely ...lol.

I just have to shake my head at this.......... Hooked up with a White man who probably wouldn't even TALK to her if she wasn't world famous multi-millionaire. And EVEN had the man's baby. I don't even believe that man loves her. I believe he's just playing her along to juice her out of as much of her wealth as he can and then eventually leave her..............like Tiger Woods' wife did him. This is an example of how wealth leaves the Black community. Wealth Black people are so quick to get emotionally and financially involved with White people instead of with eachother and a few years down the line these White people find an excuse to LEAVE the relationship and take most of the wealth with them.....back to the White community.

　 Troy the flat butt ones in one I've already placed women with "flat butts" in a category of their own.....lol. I started doing that back in highschool. it makes no freaking sense and only serves as a tool used by the rich and powerful to divide the rest of us against each other. The only problem is, most of those "rich and powerful" just happen to be White Europeans....lol. Even if we stopped using the worl "race", trust me....White people would STILL know who they were and also know who YOU were. And their behavior toward you would still be the same because of certain inherent differences between us and them. For one thing.... They think differently and see the world differently than most of us.....INHERENTLY. White people went around the planet colonizing people based on the belief that THEY were a superior race to the Africans, Asians, and Native Americans.....who didn't see themselves in racial terms at all. The denial or ignorance of the concept of "race" didn't save Africans, Asians, or Native Americans from being colonized, enslaved, exploited, and even slaughtered.

Success is merely accomplishing your goals. If your goal is to own and operate a website.....you're successful. If your goal is to become a millionaire before 25 and you hit that goal....you're successful. If your only goal in life is to survive and stay alive, as long as your heart is beating.....you're successful. Success is less about achieving certain standards that society has defined as success (like being wealthy or getting a family) and more about meeting PERSONAL goals that brings happiness and satisfaction to your life. Troy so you think Jared or Melania are qualified? I don't even think her (his) father (in law) is qualified....lol. But they are certainly qualified to do the job he actually put them IN their positions to do. The problem is............ What the PUBLIC thinks they should be doing in their positions and what HE actually put them in those positions to do may actually be totally different, lol.

Troy Sure White peope practice nepotism, but when they put friends or family in these positions they atleast make sure they're QUALIFIED and PROFESSIONAL when they hold them....lol. Black people too often put their children or cousins or gangster friends in jobs and positions that they....as the old folks used to say "ain't bit mo' " qualified or ready to handle.....lol. 　 Del Start where you are. You can have degree a skill or can hustle. You can play ib the game or make your own. Shore up your weaknesses or play to your strength. Or you can complain about the game and blame (fill in the blank) for failure. Black America has GDP that rivals many nations. But we own little because we are culture whores. Who sell our own inheritance for a bowl of stew. I have been lucky to attend good schools. And was fortunate to do jobs that allowed me to travel and have a 300 book library. Instead of watching TV i read widely. Words are warming but what's you're plan or where will you be in five to ten years. I'm sure Black America has wealth into the hundreds of billions if not over a trillion. I've HEARD that Black America was worth over a trillion dollars but I'm not sure how they arrive at their figures. But we're looking at how much we make, which is often a mistake. To really determine the wealth potential of Black America or any population you have to look at the amount of DISPOSABLE INCOME they have. Most of the money people get, they spend immediately for necessities and paying the bills and paying off debt. Most Black people don't have the type of DISPOSABLE INCOME that is necessary to generate wealth in conventional ways that White America has done it. And don't even get me started on the education (formal or informal) needed to successful manage large sums of wealth and investments. Most of our people don't have the mind for that. It would be a waste of time and energy to expect most of our people to be successful playing in a game that wasn't designed by or for them. Just listening to Troy and Mel talk about the variety of SEARCH ENGINES and their functions is enough to dizzy some people....lol. I just think the game is TOO HUGE and TOO COMPLICATED for most of our people to thrive in. We need a new...."sub system" of our own that we can carve out of this system to allow us to generate wealth in a manner that's easiest and most effective for the majority of us.

　 Troy Pioneer, come on Brother, how many Black women do you see dyeing their hair blonde and bleaching the skin so that they can look like a phenotypical white woman Well first of all I'm not saying ALL or even MOST Black women are lightening their skin. It's a problem, but not the most immediate problem. But I certainly believe that MOST Black women are altering the structure of their hair to make it less African and more European by straightening it, relaxing it, and often times dyeing it colors lighter than it's natural color. They may not CONSCIOUSLY believe they're trying to look like a White woman. They may tell themselves that they're simply "beautifying" themselves or fixing themselves up to look better......but "looking better" to them really means lightening their skin and straightening their hair. And we all know that these features ultimately go back to trying to look White. I often liken this to a Black man who bashes interracial dating and swears up and down that he'll never sleep with a White woman BUT he exclusively dates light skinned women...lol. He'll argue left and right that he doesn't find White women attractive, but he's constantly chasing after "Black" women who LOOK White.....lol. Some Black women have naturally straight hair (you know that "good hair"). I bet you'd assume they are trying to be a reverse Rachel Dozal huh? If it's naturally straight...no. Don't forget that during our discussion on race I said that there were 2 Black races....African and Dravidian (East Indian). So I know there are millions upon millions of unmixed Black people with bone straight hair, even in Africa. 　 Cynique Except for the hair, you don't look a hell of a lot different today than you did in that picture....lol. And I see you even had that SAME sneaky/deceptive grin on your face back then as you do today.....lol. Mel Actually I didn't do a search and I didn't know about these stores......thank you. I think this is a good start, but it's still not nearly enough. Again, where are the FACTORIES where we're making our or products and tools? Where are the Black scientists and dermatologists who are developing products that work best for our skin and hair. It's going to take more than a few mom and pop corner stores or a sister whipping up batches of relaxer in a mixing bowl in her kitchen to really put a dent in the market. We need to corner the entire INDUSTRY with factories, distribution centers, and store chains.

It would be a shame if the main White actor was nominated and not the Black actors, especially the brother who played Larry Reed of the Dramatics. I don't think the brother who played the security guard did much during the film, he pretty much played a "fly on the wall" which doesn't require much acting skills. But if no one was nominated or even if none of the Black actors were nominated I wouldn't be suprised and I would lay the blame squarely at the feet of Black people because they didn't support the movie as much as I thought it should have been supported. Although it was directed by a White woman, I don't see this as a White movie. I see it as a Black movie with some Whites in it....kind of like Glory or American Gangster. I just can't understand why so many people ignored or bad-mouthed this film. It's not the VERY best film I've ever seen, but it was pretty good and did a good job reenacting atleast PART of the urban Black American experience I remembered as a kid. Man, the people you meet when you live in New York (or California or Atlanta)....lol. Did you get to meet and converse with our brother Spike while he was there?

　 Nubian 　 You nailed it brother and that makes a lot of sense to me. Our people are too indoctrinated and because I don't know everyone's religious beliefs, I will stay away from religion for now. But I agree, under this current system of white supremacy, we are being slowly destroyed - which in a way, is worst than being destroyed quickly where we could at least realize what's happening and fight back. You also make an impressive observation about the iq of a majority of our people which we should stop failing at addressing. the key is understanding and most of our people have no clue of what is being done and how, especially are precious misguided youth Well my religion is TRUTH brother. I believe in and worship The Supreme Being and I believe in truth/facts/logic/what makes sense to me based on experience and observations. But if the BIGGEST religion on this planet....which is White Supremacy....were to be destroyed TOO quickly, it would take MOST of our people with it. Gotta give them enough time to get their minds right and GET OUT (like that movie) before that sinking ship takes everyone down with it. Besides...... They say nature hates a void. Perhaps White supremacy is taking so long to fall and die because we as Black people haven't developed an adequate system to REPLACE it with yet. For example: We KNOW it's not good for Black women to be running around with straighted blonde wigs and weaves, but we haven't found a way to make the natural nappy hair of most of our women look attractive to most of us....yet. Or we know our people shouldn't sell dope or work for White people who exploit them without adequate compensation.....but we don't have enough good paying jobs to offer them instead.....yet. But more to your point. Many don't know, but even among those smart enough to know what's happening....many don't care. Being raised in Western society they are too individualistic and selfish to worry about what OTHER Black people are going through. Meaning, if they "got there's" they could care less what type of hell their brother or sister who is less fortunate may be catching and aren't the least bit interested in helping them. But even these type of people can be useful to our community because you can tap into their greed and selfishness and promise them incentives for their cooperation and favors. The Uncle Tom on the school board you've been trying to convince to vote for more Afrocentric schools may not give a damn about the Black community....but he LOVES coochie and if you send a fine sista his way......that MIGHT change his mind and influence his vote, lol. This is why I focus so much on the TRUTH. Because when the truth is told and everyone is honest about there desires and intentions, we can rally around the desires we all have in common and even those who DON'T share the same desires can be used to further certain goals by tapping into their personal desires and finding a way to fulfill them in exchange for that which may be valuable to us. We give so much praise and love to people who look the least like us. I suspect THIS is one of the major reasons Colin Kaepernick is getting so much attention and support from the Black community while others who may have done or are doing the same thing haven't. But I'll leave that one alone......lol. 　 Cynique If a sista is accomplished and responsible and intelligent and capable of earning a good living, who gives a fuck how she wears her hair? Nobody's perfect. You just can't throw that catch-all term "self hate" around and apply to everyone who doesn't conform to your criteria. In an ideal world she DOES have the right to wear her hair anyway she wants. But we aren't living in an "ideal world"......we're living in a society that is built and operates on a system called White supremacy which is HARMFUL to our people. Because of this, everything that supports and maintains White supremacy much be examined, challenged, and eliminated as much as reasonably possible. She can work for a White company and make money to support herself and be successful at it. That too is supporting White suprmacy....but it's understandable because she has few other choices at this point. But to go ahead lighten her skin, straighten her hair, and dye it BLONDE.....that's not necessary. That's a choice above and beyond her being successful and a choice she's making to PROMOTE the White supremist idea that White is more beautiful and thus perpetuate the ideaology of White supremacy. And to make matters worse...... Is she has daughters, she's sending messages to THEM that success and blonde straight hair goes hand in hand. This is why she should be condemned for dying her hair blonde. 　 Troy Black women are not the only ones buying straight blonde hair, white women do it too. White women go to the beauty salon get the texture of the hair changed, get the color of their hair changed, but don't have to contend with the same level of grief our Sisters have to. But white women don't have to contend with a lot of things Black women have to... 　 But the difference is White women dye their hair or even perm their hair generally to LOOK MORE WHITE or atleast look like another aspect of their own race. In other words..... Except for the Rachel Dolezal character.....rarely do you see White women trying to make themselves Black. They may get tans or what not.....but they aren't trying to actually look like someone of another race. When a Black woman uses skin bleacher and dyes her hair blonde....a color totally unnatural to most people of African descent.....that sends a clear message to the world about how she feels about HERSELF. 　 　 　 　 Mel 　 Maybe it's the black woman's hair that is the key to black people's success.. And it makes us super smart so we don't have ever worry about being in the bottom 20% of those poverty-stricken folks. Well you shouldn't be worried about that anyway, because according to you and The Atlantic: "The majority (73%) of black people in the innercities of America and the majority (80%) of black people in the suburbs are living above the poverty line. " Remember? https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/4625-naacp-says-avoid-missouri/?page=2 So not only are the majority of Black people doing just great..... Black women out number Black men, so ofcourse the majority OF the majority of these people doing so good HAS TO BE Black women....lol.　 But I DO think a major key to Black women's success IS their hair. So many Black females have gotten rich just opening up their own shop and becoming stylists. Madame CJ Walker became the worlds richest woman dealing with the Black woman's hair. I mean..... She made her money showing Black women how to make their hair straight.....but still...I ain't mad at her, lol. I'm not going to sit here and say I wouldn't have done the same thing if I were in her shoes and had the idea and opportunity. The next step in my opinion would be for Black people to start MAKING and DISTRIBUTING our own beauty products instead of Whites making them and Asians (mostly Koreans) distributing them to us.

Nubian The most technical thing my brothers and sisters got involved with was building music studios which required a degree of technical skills. But we always seem to fall short when technology is involved. I don't like downing my people but I can't just pretend I never experienced what I did. While we were dreaming of making 40k-60k a year, which is chump change now anyway, those white kids were planning on being our bosses. You're right. I also attened a mostly White school as a kid for a couple years and saw a sharp contrast in interest in academic subjects and learning in general. White kids LOVED that "tech" shit and working with computers while me and most Black boys loved physical things like sports and building or making products. I think where we went wrong in the 60s and 70s was FOLLLOWING THE LEAD of White people in their current industries of communications (internet, cell phones, computers, ect...). It's cool for SOME OF US to keep up with that, go to school for that, and build business around that but........ Those skills and businesses are things that add finesse to an ALREADY BUILT civilization! In other words..... White people already have mastered buildings, roads, sewer systems, cars, machines, ect.....so they can focus on interent, cell phones, I-Phones and shit like that because their immediate needs are covered. We as Black people...most of us don't even know how to build the home we live in let alone fix the sewer system or pave the pot-holes in the damn street. The only thing most of us know how to do is ask for work in a world White men have ALREADY BUILT FOR THEMSELVES. So I think what we should have done in the 60s and 70s was tell the White establishment "fuck you but we aren't following your lead". We're going to open up these building and trade schools and learn how to build structures, agricultural systems, housing for ourselves, learn how to build machines, ect..... If Whites and Asians want to play on computers and walk around with cell phones texting eachother....let them. But we should have worked on NATION BUILDING and learning how to repair and advance our own communities with mastering INFRASTRUCTURE CONSTRUCTION. It's the same with BANKING and FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS. We're constantly trying to get in on a game or system White people made up, instead of establishing our own. Even in African nations you have silly negroes who run their own nation...by WHITE MEN'S RULES. Still playing the same damn game White men left during colonialism instead of scrapping the game and building their own governments and financial systems. ......now most of them are in debt. We're just as smart if not smarter than Whites .....but IN OUR OWN WAY. When we do OUR OWN THING we excel and do exceptional things. But when we try to imitate White people in their businesses and fit in with their system, we don't do nearly as well and most of us actually fail. 　 　 Troy agreed not everyone is cut out to start and run a business, but Black owned business get FAR more grief and other business for poor service, when I'd argue that we chose get a bit more leeway other Black people. I'm not saying we should tolerate bad service from a Black owned business, but I think we are held to a higher standard than even corporate businesses who benefit investor funding while we have to rely solely on revenue. I hear what you're saying and I often have to examine myself and wonder if I'm being too hard on my own sometimes. Some Black people will go to Arab and Asian businesses and spend their money every day and even tell them to keep the change or leave their change in one of those little tip or take-a-penny plates.....but when it comes to a Black businesses they'll threaten not to even come back unless they get a discount. But experience is experience and far too often I can tell a Black owned business just by walking through the front door of the establishment. Even if there are no employees immediately available to help me, just LOOKING around at the place often lets me know who's running it....lol. I really think NEPOTISM is the biggest downfall of most Black businesses that fail. Instead of hiring QUALIFIED Black employees, too often a Black business owner feels obliged to hire their relatives or close friends to work for them which makes maintain professionalism and discipline in the work place akward and often times non-existant. I remember after starting a few half-ass businesses my aunt and other friends of the family would often try to get me to hire some of my cousins because they may have had criminal records and couldn't get decent jobs anywhere else or they just didn't have good work ethics and couldn't keep a job. It didn't take me long to realize how much of a mistake that was or would be. Most Black people are very family and friend oriented and LOYAL to eachother in a deep emotional way that most White people don't or won't understand so it makes it harder for us to fire or discipline people we know and grew up with if they aren't performing correctly. A white man will fire his own MAMA if she's costing him money! My thing is.....hire qualified Black people.....but not your friends or relatives unless both of you have a CLEAR understanding of the expectations.

I think Black people in general need to get more "serious" with our film making. There's only so many hood movies and comedy movies you can make before it looks like a conspiracy to dumb down the population. If we were on our game like we SHOULD be.....Spike Lee should have started his own school teaching young Black people the art of movie making and directing. Too many of our great and talented people take their greatness and talents to the GRAVE with them instead of passing on the secrets to the next generation. White people have developed entire institutions to pass on their knowledge from one generation to the next COMPOUNDING that knowledge with more knowledge. Negroes don't half way want to pass along their soul food recipes.....lol. Some sisters would just as soone die and take the secret to those "mean greens" to the grave than share it with some younger Black women to benefit the community. Saving our knowledge is key to saving our culture.

When I was a kid, you NEVER heard Black women refering to eachother as "bitch" or "that's my bitch". I grew up in a Black neighborhood in a Black city and I'm telling you I NEVER heard them use that term in any type of endearment. It was always a term of insult that no one (including another Black woman) would call a Black woman unless they were looking for a shoe upside the head. Then I started hearing it from a few Black female celebrities in the early 2000s. I forgot whether this was in a movie or during a stand-up comedy routine but I know it was some semi-famous Black entertainers who started using it to refer to their friends and I KNEW right then and there it was going to "catch on" and be a term embraced. For too long racist Whites have been able to.....through entertainment....easily manipulate Black youth into doing and saying almost anything they want because too many of our young people aren't smart enough to realize they're being influenced or made fools out of. Just like many young Black male rappers today.....like Kodak Black and Lil Wayne...are being used to encourage young Black males to look and act like clowns and embrass themselves. Women like Nicki Minaj and Beyonce are being used to promote self hatred in the Black community. They're basically telling Black women that if you want to be seen as beautiful, attractive, and want the men to chase you around then you need to lighten your skin and dye your hear blonde. Getting up in our people's faces and arguing with them about this is too often just a waste of time because many of our people don't have the intelligence to understand...comprehend....what's being done to them. Quite frankly, they're too STUPID to recognize they're being manipulated. The best solution is for like minded Black people to organize themselves and start developing their OWN media networks and entertainment venues where we can begin to promote OUR OWN versions of beauty and attractiveness among our people in it's natural forms. It's going to be hard to take a 50 year old man who grows up seeing long flowing wavy hair as beautiful to accept the kinky hair of a sister who's gone natural. But if we get our people as children and start them off as babies accepting kinky natural hair as attractive.....that will be the key to reversing the hypnosis.