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Troy Who said anything about "the government" dispersing the chemicals? Even during slavery, the most vile forms of racism in this nation's history has been committed by individuals and private firms....not the government itself. I believe there are racists working IN government as well as private individuals who have a vested interest in weakening and destroying the Black community through various methods at their disposal. Look at how so many Republicans openly oppose healthcare and the defunding of schools. Those aren't mere conspiracy theories, they are openly advocating policies leading to population control and reduction. While I don't doubt that White people are suffering from a suicide epidemic, keep in mind that suicide takes place in many forms. While one man may seek to end his life with a shotgun in his mouth.... Another may choose to drink himself into a coma every night hoping one morning he just doesn't wake up. Yet another young man stuck in the ghetto with no income, no respect, and no love may choose to engage in SELF-destructive (destroying oneself sounds suicidal) behavior subconsciously hoping for death as a way out of his intolerable conditions. You may not believe in conspiracies but there are a lot of educated Whites who do. Infact, WHOLE FOODS is a supermarket founded on providing organic food free of chemicals and pesticides that these young educated Whites feel are harmful to them and their children and have opted to go organic. I know many Whites....educated professional young Whites....who don't even own a television and won't keep one in thier home. I think it's a shame most of our people don't seem to believe anything until a WHITE PERSON OF AUTHORITY officially states it. Perhaps you should ask yourself...... If there wasn't so much historical documentation on the Tuskeegee Experiments of Black men being given syphilis in Alabama....would you deny that too? Delano Girls developing early is among the LEAST of the problems. Girls turning into MEN is right near the top these days, lol. Girls with tough hard hand that feel like claws when they give you your change back at the store... Girls with aggressive attitudes who are quick to fight and put it on youtube.... Girls with tatoos on their necks..... The first step to solving any problem is first AKNOWLEDGING that a problem exists. If you don't see men being gay and acting like women, or women turning lesbian and acting like men as even a problem......then you won't seek to do anything about it. I see it as a problem, but too many of our people don't anymore. When your standards and morals have been eroded, it's easy to put anything over on you.

Cynique said...... "Matriachies orginated in Africa, and women there are no more inclined to be subservient than any place else contrary to your romanticized generalizing." But she has YET to provide proof that Matriarchies originated in Africa. Rather she came up with a half-assed list of various female figures from Jewish, Babylonian, and Egyptian history and mythology, many who weren't even Black...further exposing her ignorance. Actually, the above exchange between me and Cynique in which this ex-postal worker went postal and resorted to juvenile hyper-emotionalism and name calling is a PRIME example of why I don't feel most of of our Black organizations should be ran by women. Keep in mind I'm speaking in general, this isn't the case for ALL women but lifes decisions are usually made on generalities....not exceptions. Generally speaking, women tend to be more emotional than logical. Meaning their feelings and intuition tend to influence their decisions than facts, strategy, and cold logic. Sometimes this is good, but often times this is bad. They also tend to determine who is friend, who is enemy, who is good, and who is bad based on an entirely different standard than men. I met a woman one time who had a boyfriend in prison who was a dope dealer and a killer, but she said he was really a good man. Why? Because he never "cheated" on her, lol. In other words..... A woman often times determines who is good based on who's good to THEM rather than looking at the bigger picture. This alone makes one...regardless of gender...unfit to be a leader of any major organization such as the NAACP.

There's no telling HOW those skeletons got there. Especially given the fact that Arabs had a massive slave trade of their own that involved Black AND White slaves from Europe, Africa, and the Middle East. I've been doing more and more research on the Arab slave trade. They were enslaving Black people before Europeans even knew where we were!

Troy That's it. That's the clip I was speaking of. Yeah he seemed a bit dithering, but we can't get hung up on his presentation but the man is a 70 something year old comedian. LIke Bill Cosby.....even when he's being serious he looks funny because cutting up is part of his personality. AfroAmericans are an emotional people, they like a little humor and theatrics in the delivery to drive the message home. The question you should ask whether it's Dick or Prince is, is there some validity to what they're saying? Clearly something foul is going on in Black neighborhoods all over the United States. Why do AfroAmericans lead the statistics in so many diseases and crimes? Why are our girls fighting eachother so much in the schools and on the streets? Girls balling up their fists and fighting like men isn't natural. Ofcourse when you make a claim, the burden of proof is on YOU to prove it. But whether it's politicians, preachers, potential clients, or even telemarketers...... I've learned to disregard the delivery and focus on the substance of what people are saying to determine whether the information they're giving me is true or false because everyone isn't blessed with the gift of articulation. Sillyque Either that..... Or they no longer fear to plainly say what others may believe in their hearts but are afraid to utter. "Pioqueer"...lol. So....you're making fun of homosexuals and calling them "queer" now ??? It's funny how the same people who fight like hell to defend homosexuality will turn right around and use it as an insult in the same breath. ...and fail to see the hypocrisy. I would expect nothing less from one so morally confused and bankrupt. I know you're fond of making up your own definitions so I don't know how YOU define "repulsive" in that schizoid mind of yours, but my now disbanned organization was once over 70% female and routinely had more women members than men. And ALL of those women (including some lesbians) knew EXACTLY how I felt about homosexuality, the role of women in the family, and the role of women in society at large. But REAL women would rather dwell in the presence of a REAL man with conviction and principles rather than waste time with a flip-flopping emasculated gigilo willing to tell them whatever they want to hear.

Sillyque Oh really? Well what the hell were you "suggesting", ....what a morally confused woman with a schizoid personality can sound like if she experiments with too little sleep and too much hen-dog? Trust me, Anyone who's visited your Heads or Tails thread........ ....already knows this, lol. Are those the same "instincts" that drive you to put goofy pictures of yourself and tell all your family business on a global communications network? I don't know if I'd trust THOSE instincts. Atleast I'm secure enough in my looks to get what I want when I want it. And don't have to resort to desparate measures to get it. Unlike YOUR voyeuristic ass.......and your pathological urge to advertize yourself all over the internet. If I throw in the towel.....lol...it certainly wouldn't be in the same pile of dirty laundry that smelly housecoat of yours was thrown into, lol. When was the last time you washed that musty thang anyway ?????? You got AALBC smelling like Cody Wild Musk and sour cream, lol. As for me..... After justifiably defending myself from insult I've now decided to take the path of civility and end this pitiful exchange. My next posts in this thread will be aligned with it's original subject.

Sillyque With so called women like YOU setting the example..... No wonder so many of our young girls are turning into lesbians and even men in some cases.

Sillyque Since I've been on this site you've been cussing and talking foul both TO and ABOUT people and now all of a sudden you develop a sense of modesty? ((Pioneer laughs like Al Pacino)) Ha haaa..... Oh..NOW you want some respect? Well, if you want to be treated like somebody's mother then goddamit ACT LIKE ONE !!! If people were to read some of the foul shit you post they wouldn't be able to tell if it were from an 80 year old grandmother or the rapper DMX. That feeble ass twisted mind of yours should be careful trying to guess what her husband (who if people notice, I've never disrespected) would or wouldn't have done. *I'm sure a lot of women have gotten their husbands killed while trying to defend them from some bullshit THEY started with their big mouths. He might have kicked YOUR ass for getting on the internet using foul disrespectful language and "advertising" yourself in various photos. Look , do yourself a favor..... Take them cheap ass "$5 at da' liquore store" shades off, put your "Montgomery Wards spring-sale of '69" house-coat on....and take your cranky ass to bed.

Troy Damn! Lol, this is a side of Prince I haven't seen before. I just might become a fan of his if he keeps talking like that. Did Farrakhan have a few words with him or something....lol. I'm not exactly sure of the Dick Gregory comments he's referring to, I'll wait until you post them and I'm actually half-way looking for them among other things while I'm online right now. But I do remember during a State of Black America presentation some years ago right before Obama was elected....either '07 or '08 when Gregory was talking about the chemicals they were dumping in Black neighborhoods that were causing Black people to become violent. He mentioned one chemical in particular that he said would make a man mad enough to kill his own mother. Not sure about the conspiracy, by nature they're hard to prove. But I know what I see. You're a little older than me so unless you've been tucked up under a rock for 30 years I'm sure you've SEEN it too...whether or not you've chosen to take notice......lol. Regardless of our differing views on homosexuality, I'm sure you can agree with me that the younger women seem to physically be more masculine today than 30 years ago. We can argue all day over whether there were just as many lesbians back then but were hiding in the closet, but the PHYSICAL appearance of so many of our young sisters is hard to deny.....it's open. Look at the very large husky broad shoulder young girls in highschool today. Those growing facial hair...mustaches and light beards. You may have seen SOME 30 years ago, but you see a lot more today!!!

Sillyque ((Pioneer not smiling right now)) Oh.... So now you want to talk about a Black man's beloved deceased mother???? ** Under normal conditions, this would be yet another case where your irresponsible and reckless comments would require an apology and all communication between us would cease until an apology was rendered. But to someone as morally confused as YOU....it would be like demanding an apology from a child who can't stop pissing in the bed. You really can't help yourself can you. Nor are we talking about the existence of Matriarchies in Africa. You said Matriarchies ORIGINATED in Africa. I asked you for proof. Stop trying to change the game. Either provide proof to support your claim or finally admit that you don't now what the hell you're talking about. You really are a poor historian. "Jezabel"...as you call her (which is actually spelled "Jezebel") was a JEWISH woman in Palestine-Asia....not Africa. Isis isn't a human being at all but an Egyptian deity. Cleopatra.....lol....seriously???? The queen who fell in love with a Roman governor named Mark Anthony and the Egyptian empire collapsed. You want to use HER as an example??? And for your much needed information, there was no queen called "Sheba" either....genius....Sheba was the name of the LAND the queen came from. Not only do you have a poor sense of history, NONE of these examples you used provides PROOF nor are they even evidence that Matriarchies ORIGINATED in Africa....a claim that you're attempting to back track on. Try harder........ I didn't say they didn't get respect from children.....just not the way men get it. Again, all civilized peoples on the planet know this and wouldn't argue it. Yeah, From the way you constantly repeat my name in your posts I'm probably not the ONLY one who "jacks off" at the thought of myself.....lol. With all the bullshit you drop, I'm thinking you and your 4 chambered belly would be able to stomach anything....lol.

((After trying to figure this response out for over 40 minutes, even sitting on the toilet and meditating on it......)) I constantly find myself running to the on-line dictionary after reading your posts to find out if certain words actually exist....lol. Man, what the hell is a "jaopens"??? I can't find it in any of the dictionaries. When I first read the context I thought you may have meant to type "happens"????? The letters to both words are close to eachother on the keyboard. But if not, can you please clarify the meaning of "jaopens" before we go on? Thanx in advance.

Cynique Lol..... I think you're just paranoid. Judging by what you're willing to believe.....it appears that you're so used to people blowing smoke up your ass, everytime you see someone with a pipe or cigar you probably fall into a panic, lol Oh..so not only are you a half-ass Buddhist, now you're a wannabe historian?????? What proof can you offer us that matriarchies originated in Africa as you claim? There is no religion originating in Africa that can compare with the Virgin Mary worshipping Catholic Church that came out of Europe. There is no religion in Africa that worshipped a goddess over a god. The term Lesbian and the island of Lesbos originated in EUROPE, not Africa. No form of polyandry (marrying more than one husband) is found anywhere in Africa as has been documented in parts of Europe and Asia. You're half-baked attempts at history is as comical as your views of religion, lol. They are products of fatherless homes. When there is no strong male in the household to instill and enforce discipline, the children both male AND female tend to become wayward and corrupt. Even a little kid acting up in a grocery store will respect and obey the deep authoritative voice of a man they don't even know more than their own mother's. That should tell you something. Take off the mob-moll shades....lol...and open your eyes to what's going on in your community. Howz-a-bout I start in Illinois and make YOU one of my first experiments,lol.

What "more" do Black people need to know? How to BUILD OUR OWN HOSPITALS!!! Black people have been in this nation since it's inception, where are the Black or predominately Black hospitals and medical schools today? We had them in the past, before integration. Before Black folks got too lazy to do anything for themselves. If you look at Black America a hundred years ago you see pictures of Black doctors and rows upon rows of Black nurses caring for their community. Black farmers who grew REAL food that actually nourished our people. Black scientists like George Washington Carver. I'm talking about REAL Black scientists who worked for themselves and did their OWN research and experiments....... Not these chicken-livered negroes with worthless degrees and white coats on who act as mere flunkies to clean up the petri-dishes and mop up the damn laboratory floors AFTER the White scientists go home for the night. Not only does Black America have an HIV problem, but if you notice more and more Black females have become lesbian of the BUTCH type with big husky hairy shoulders, flat butts, and a truly masculine demeanor! All these weird disease our people used to never get. Women turning into men. Black youth are increasing victims and subjects of chemical experimentation. That's what happens when you: 1. No longer believe in a Supreme Being and lose your morality. 2. Become so lazy and complacent you lose the desire to do anything for yourself.

I see your point, however...... I was WARNED never to go to a bar drinking with White co-workers. You'll uncover some feelings that you wish you could really cover back up and forget about, lol.

You know...... Every time I see or hear stories about White people who "dare" to go into predominately Black neighborhoods and take up residence or perform a service for the community.....I have to laugh to myself, and often times LOL. Tom Brokaw of NBC Nightly news was good for that..... He'd often top off his news report with some half-ass manufactured story a White guy from the suburbs who out of the kindness of his own heart would dare to venture down to his local ghetto to feed little Black children or paint over some graffiti and "make a difference". After that 3 minute bit of racist propaganda he'd shuffle his papers with a smile and that NBC music would begin announcing the end of the broadcast. As Dolemite would say: I wanna ask yall just one thang........ What's so brave about an old White woman or a White woman of ANY age going around the hood talking with and taking pictures with Black men? What the hell do THEY have to fear? White women aren't the ones being shot up and killed by Black men. OTHER BLACK MEN ARE!!! If ME and TROY went around the hood trying to give young Black men we don't know "bro hugs" and asking them to take pictures with us....lol. Now that's courage.

? I don't understand your question. I don't think getting drunk necessarily makes people more honest or trustworthy, I think it tends to impair their judgement and make them more prone to be perpetrators and victims of violence.

Troy The madness going on in many Black neighborhoods is indeed an American problem, however thanx to the media and the resegregation of America's public schools....an increasing number of non-Black Americans don't even see the AfroAmericans in the innercities as HUMAN let alone fellow Americans. They see them as mere statistics or routine characters that make up the first 5 minutes of their nightly local news. They could care less what happened to them. The Canaries in a mineshaft analogy is a good one because while the canaries are the first to die....often if not most times they are the ONLY ones to die because the miners manage to save themselves through sacrificing their feathered friends. Having been to Europe and seeing how other Capitalist nations operate, there is always an undercurrent of "throw away people". A large pool of uneducated, ignorant, and often times immoral and drug addicted people who are constantly in a state of desparation and are readily exploited for their labor and bodies and/or sexuality and then disgarded. In Europe these have historically been other Whites, but in American history most of these "disposable people" have been Black and Brown. They want it this way. It's not about eliminating crime....it's about CONTAINING the crime and regulating it to certain neighborhoods. I've said it again and again, the only way the crime problem in Black neighborhoods will be solved is when DECENT BLACK MEN stand up and take care of it ourselves.

Cynique If you think putting women in charge would automatically make things better, take a look at the matriarchal Black family today in the United States and tell me what phenomenal accomplishments OUR people have achieved as a result of female headed households? Just look at the innercities of America. Look at what happens when so many of the older men are locked up or dead and the only ones around to keep order are women. ((Pioneer takes a puff or 2 from his pipe and frowns disapprovingly)) Hmmm..... I see somebody's been drinking the poisionous Kool-Aid that White racists and their silly ass negro slaves (who have a nasty habit of being too lazy to do research for themselves) have been serving up in cheap paper cups as "history", about our beloved Civil Rights leaders. First Martin is accused of cheating on his wife, then they go after Malcolm with the most digusting of slander.....one by one they seem to dig up "something" on our brothers 100 years after the fact. It's funny to me that they wait until DECADES after these men have passed on and most of those who would be around to corroborate or dispute their lies have died or become senile, THEN they come out with new never heard before "information" on the personal lives of these men. Matriarchy wasn't thrust upon the Black race as a whole, just AfroAmericans. African men STILL know how to act like men and African women STILL know how to act like women and both respect their roles in society. The only Black communities where this gender-bending madness can be found and even tolerated is in Black America. I wouldn't put too much faith and hope in men who "appreciate" women who take charge and lead organizations. Those generally are the same gigilos who'll not only share the power but relinquish ALL of life's responsibilities over to their women for an occasional blow job and spaghetti dinner on Sundays. Being a good mother to her children and raising them properly so that they know how to stay out of jail and be productive members of society is one of the most important jobs anyone could have.

This may sound a little ironic but..... Now, because the President DIDN'T do anything militarily (yet) it actually makes him look weaker! He had no business drawing red lines on Syria to begin with. Even after drawing it he could have came up with another alternative to hold the Syrian government accountable. But after preparing for war..... THEN passing the buck along to Congress for approval.... THEN accepting a deal from Russia to help monitor and destroy Syria's weapons.... It makes him look as if he's looking for any excuse to get out of a fight that he started. It's like a kid insulting you and you threaten to kick his ass after school but then you keep walking up to him asking him to apologize and then tern to his friends asking them to make him apologize. ....you really didn't intended on fighting in the first place. There's nothing wrong with wanting peace, but if you're a head of state you shouldn't go around bluffing.

((Pioneer takes a couple of puffs from his pipe, sips on a hot cup of coffee, and ponders the subject while watching Zacharia on GPS......)) I....I uhhh.....I think I'm going to go back to the original idea of this thread and graft another branch on this tree, lol. What is knowledge? What do you really know? I have my own system of categorizing information and one of it's foundations is accurately separating beliefs from knowledge. If I've experiened or observed it myself....it's knowledge to me. If I haven't experienced or observed it.....it's just a belief of mine that may vary in intensity. For example, I don't KNOW that China exists....I haven't been there and I haven't actually seen it myself from any distance. I BELIEVE it exists from the books I've read and the people i've met, but I don't know for sure. I KNOW Mexico exists because I've been there to not only observe it but experience it. Do you KNOW the Sun is appx 93 million miles away from Earth? Or did scientific books you trust relate the information to you and you accept it as fact without dispute? How do we KNOW how fast light travels? The speed was determined at a time when light was considered the fasting thing in existance, so by which method did they compare it to in order to measure it? There is a big difference between knowledge and belief, however you really don't KNOW everything you think you do...lol. KNOWING this difference has kept me out of a lot of trouble.

Delano Ofcourse no race has a monopoly on stupidity or greatness, but from a technological and financial point of view it is clear that for the past 4 or 5 hundred years or so, the Northern Europeans and to some extent the Northern Asians have been advancing farther than the rest of humanity in general. I believe this is because those who founded this modern economic system set it up in a way that jives with their genetics. That would explain the theory that if those who are the wealthiest were stripped of their wealth, they would get it back in short order. A system has been designed to favor their very nature and allow them to rise towards the top regardless as to where they started. Much of the wealth in this world is owned by Northern Europeans (White Americans, English, Germans) and Northern Asians (Russians, Japanese, Northern Chinese). These groups share a lot of similar cultural traits and they have come together to make a society and world based on THEIR genetic and cultural traits like: -Monogamy -Sexual restriction or weak sexuality -More left-brained logical pursuits -Societies where you are expected to act one way at home and another way in public -Disciplined in scientific/academic study These are traits most wealthy families/communities in this world possess that set them apart from most of humanity who tend to be less disciplined and more sensuous and open with their feelings and behavior. Also, it is known that Europeans tolerate alcohol much much better than Africans, Native Americans, or even Asians. So in a society where alcohol consumption is so prevalant, who will be the winners?

Delano When it comes to world power, there is PRIORITY....orders of importance. Yes, racist global capitalists enjoy making money off of ignorant Black people by keeping them addicted to dope, alcohol, and tangled up in the criminal justice system. However, most would RATHER just destroy them outright (which they will never be able to do) and hoard the resources for themselves. Remember, money is just currency or a means of exchange to get what you really want. RESOURCES (land, food, energy, ect.....) are their ultimate desires.

Malcolm X once said the AfroAmerican community is a matriarchy, meaning it's ran by women. This is one of the reasons the Black community is in the shape it's in today and why it has often been victimized and exploited by other more male-dominant ethnic groups that has come into contact with it. While I think it's wise for any organization to pick the smartest most qualified people to lead regardless of gender, because the United States is a MATRIX that breed MATRIARCHIES...... Meaning, Because the United States is an incubator primarily governed by White men who love to be incharge themselves but don't like to see men of other races incharge therefor love to put WOMEN of other races in charge of their respective communities instead of the men in order to destablize those communities. .......I think Black organizations should be very careful when selecting it's leaders. They need to understand that while women are just as intelligent as men, there are other qualities of leadership that are just as if not more important than education and intelligence.

It took you only 20 minutes to go from granny to Mob Wife? Lol.... Diane Nyad isn't the only woman over 60 who can break records.

I've noticed that most Black folks have strange first names but "standard" last names. DeCarlos Jones LaMarkus Jackson Shekeelah Smith However, most White folks have "standard" first names and jacked up last names. Matt Spechineck John Gigglioni Josh Meckldeczkwek Jr Lol......

Cynique Much of what you say are my sentiments also. I'm not sure if it's the media who celebrates Black people who drag down the race more so than those who uplift it....or is it Black people themselves who seem to embrace them more! It's known through out psychology, sociology, and history that people with low self esteem tend to gravitate towards underachievers and rebels in society because they feel more comfortable with the lack of competitiveness. I think much of the way so many of our people speak comes from laziness* and lack of proper education but I'm beginning to believe a great deal of it is also genetic. You mentioned Ebonics in a different thread. I believe there is some science behind the concept of Ebonics. You said we like to use the word "be" but I think it's actually the opposite. I don't think Black people of West African descent feel comfortable using relatively useless verbs like "be" and "is". These are words that state that something "exists"....which is obvious. An example I like to use is............. A girl walks into a room and seeing her brother sitting on the couch inquires about their mother. The correct English version would go something like: Girl: Jason, where is our mother? Brother: Oh, hey Jan.....mom's gone now. Girl: Oh? How long has she been gone? Brother: She's been gone for quite some time. The AfroAmerican version goes something like: Girl: Where mama? No need call his name or use the term "our" as this is evident. Brother: She gone No need to use the word "is" she being gone is also evident. Girl: How long she been gone? No need to use the word "has". Brother: She BEEN gone! Being an emotional people, how we say a word and how intense we say it can be just as effective a description as using a lot of adjectives. In the Antwon Fisher story Antwon said his step mother called him and his brothers "nigga" on the regular but they'd all know which one she was talking to by how she said it, lol. I believe Ebonics is more than just cultural but it has to do with how our brains are wired too. With our genetic speaking pattern we seem to now like using many unnecessary or redundant words and our highly emotional personalities also come into play....sort of like the Italian language where you use your hands to emphasize some words. * A lot of our people have a "lazy" attitude. Even growing up I've heard so many Black people purposely mispronounce words and names because they didn't want to take the time and effort to learn how to properly say it. It's not that they couldn't physically pronounce it, they just didn't want to take the time to even LEARN how to pronounce it. I used to go to the laundry mat and see fat women sitting around with their eyes half closed mumbling out words and talking about how "tired" they were. I heard them make fun of names and words they hadn't heard before instead of saying it right. For example.... If they were talking about some African immigrants from the Belgian Congo they would say "Where dem' niggaz from?" "Ah-owe-know (I don't know)....from the BELCHIN' CONGO or somewhere......"