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@Troy thank you. @Pioneer1 the problem is a question of association: black emancipation from white enslavement side the potency of the usa. by your words you used the word we representing the populace of the usa in a topic about whether black people will be emancipated. Are these topics connected. You think they are. I quote you again The connection to the USA of or the value to the USA from the Black populace in it, or the condition of the black community in the usa in parallel to other black communities for many black people are not related to the emancipation of black people from whites. To your question Most black leaders are negative. But that happens. The problem is the association, for you positive leadership = leadership but it doesn't. And it connects to my point about individualism. Under individualism, one is only responsible to lead thyself, not lead others, which is a key point. Under individualism, those who are negative leaders from a communal view, are 100% acceptible ro positive, under indivdiualism -
@Pioneer1 you say black conservatives used to be liberal but those terms liberal or conservative are based on the white community of the usa. I rather use the terms communal or individual. Many black people in the usa, most black people in the usa, when young are communalist. But the usa : populace/government/fiscal environment , are white not black, and it has always given, and will always give, black people a choice sooner or later. If you want to make money in the usa as a black person, being an individual is the way to go historically. Two types of individualsit in the black community in the usa. One who publicly displays it, like a Clarence Thomas or an Oprah Winfrey. Or one who masquerades as a communalist: most Black elected officials or Black CEOs or black entertainers. yes, a few elected officials/ceo's/entertainers who are black are communalists but they are very few. and I don't see that as a problem as communities under all governments become what they chose. At the end of the day, the black people who fought for the usa when it was being founded fought for individual power, not communal power. Any black person in the colonies who thought that the betterment of the black community was in the secession of such colonies from the british empire was a fool. But, said people functional goal was individual power. The ability of a black individual to do whatever they want to help oneself while not the community . was their goal and that has been achieved. @Troy exactly, the usa isn't about communities and the greatest problem is many people keep thinking the usa is about bettering communities when it truth, it betters none and I even include the white community in the usa. When you look at modern usa, the truth is, white individuals are thriving, not necessarily the white community en large. whereas in the past, in the usa, with the daughters of the american revolution side jim crow, for all the pain to the black community , it bettered the white community. @Delano great point @zeke1234 his opinion flat out says what I have said about individualism in this very website countless times. The question is why do black people in the usa dislike the communalist/individualist dichotomy in debate? We in general seem to not want to admit it. I wonder why?
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richardmurray replied to Troy's topic in Culture, Race & Economy
Well @Troy the question in the usa market is who are the competitors to Metaverse: facebook<community pages+profiles+blog>/instagram<images>/threads<text message>? You mention their dominance, but the first question is who are the competitors. If someone is in the usa who else do they go to ? am*zon is a competitor, but they are mostly a closed ecosystem. If you use am*zon prime and am*zon kindle and am*zon shopping services, you are in your own ecosystem, not really social media based but with social media functionality. apple has long been a closed ecosystem in itself, social media functionality but really a separate space full of technologies. alphabet , like apple, like am*zon make physical goods. yes they have the google search engine and through google youtube, but youtube is such a specific space. thus why tiktok grew. long videos are fine but they are not as catchy as short videos. in the same way tweets was more catchy than blog posts. They have android but that is a tool, not really a social media aspect. microsoft, has the xbox with gaming and the operating system for larger electronic devices. SKype is again like youtube of alphabet, not really prone to social media effectively, it is more an open space than a cultivated space. and linkedin, which was meant for labor just isn't doing much in social media space. So... meta platforms is really the lone esocial space. Esocial elements are in most all big tech firms but meta alone has esocial as their mainline. Three of their domestic rivals really make devices that has esocial elements. And one, alphabet is focused on a strategy where esocial is lessened of value. The only rival i can truly think of for Meta is Tiktok of bytedance. but China stands alone of countries outside the usa that has kept control of its internet existence wholeheartedly and has reached outside of itself. Japan has its own internet, but japanese websites don't get extremely popular outside japan . @Pioneer1 it started with newspapers, and it can be argued before with history books. -
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@Troy I concur to your position. The question is: Who does more damage to the black community? The problem with such a question is the difficulty in assessing the damage over time from either party to the greater community. Pioneer1 has biases, as do we all, but to properly assess, the biases have to taken out and the process of determination, historically is quite a challenge @frankster comprehend one thing, the white jewish, white italian, white irish community in nyc today owes the white streetfolk for everything, the same white streetfolk who many times killed, acted illegally for profit, acted petty or violent or murdered in their own community. But said streetfolk were the key to those communities, or at least many people in their communities, betterments down the road. And the same to black streetfolk. Some black people today in harlem own buildings, have their busineses or other because of black streetfolk. I repeat, in the usa, fiscal capitalism only provides two ways to make large revenue absent inheritance or knowing someone. Illegal activity side entertainment. Everything else requires inheritance or knowing someone plain or simple. -
The 28th edition of the 2023 Richard Murray Newsletter topics Cento poetry series Violet PAntheresss, Wife of Pink panther Labors of Judasa IF YOU MADE IT THIS FAR: Disney blackish, 40+ Doubledutch, Sammy Davis jr,We in modernity, Mrs PArkington, Brock PEters https://rmnewsletter.over-blog.com/2023/05/07/09/2023-rmnewsletter.html
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That is the day when the earth is farthest to the sun in its elliptical orbit, now the earth slowly pulls closer to the perihelion I said formerly , thanks to @Stefan for reading , for the record i did say the sun was farthest in the original prose, so I made a human error That is the day when the earth is closest to the sun in its elliptical orbit, now the earth slowly pulls away to the perihelion The sun was farthest from the earth and now the earth slowly gets closer and closer from the sun until the perihelion formerly The sun was farthest from the earth and now the Earth slowly gets father and farther from the sun until the perihelion Aphelion Story 1 https://aalbc.com/tc/blogs/entry/261-aphelion-day-art-or-text-craft-parade-good-news-blog/?do=findComment&comment=923 Aphelion story 2 https://aalbc.com/tc/blogs/entry/261-aphelion-day-art-or-text-craft-parade-good-news-blog/?do=findComment&comment=924
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The Labors of Judasa is a history in the Chronicle of The Four King in the Tarikh Rohoregens. No one has a complete Tarikh Rohoregens, but recently this Incomplete Labors of Judasa in the Chronicle of The Four King was discovered. https://www.deviantart.com/hddeviant/art/An-Incomplete-Labors-of-Judasa-970676145 Audiobook https://www.kobo.com/audiobook/an-incomplete-labors-of-judasa-from-a-griot A Runic Remnant Of The Labors Of Judasa Colored https://www.deviantart.com/hddeviant/art/Orc-Tofusenshi-Dtiys-2023-Color-970678947 Coloring https://www.deviantart.com/hddeviant/art/orc-tofusenshi-dtiys-2023-blackandwhite-970678468 Cento https://www.deviantart.com/hddeviant/art/An-Incomplete-Labors-of-Judasa-Cento-970677156 To see more excerpts, go to the following post, remember to click read more Single Status Update from 07/06/2023 by richardmurray - African American Literature Book Club (aalbc.com)
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The Labors of Judasa is a history in the Chronicle of The Four King in the Tarikh Rohoregens. No one has a complete Tarikh Rohoregens, but recently this Incomplete Labors of Judasa in the Chronicle of The Four King was discovered.
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@richardmurraytiktok The Labors of Judasa is a history in the Chronicle of The Four King in the Tarikh Rohoregens. No one has a complete Tarikh Rohoregens, but recently this Incomplete Labors of Judasa in the Chronicle of The Four King was discovered. https://www.deviantart.com/hddeviant/art/An-Incomplete-Labors-of-Judasa-970676145 Audiobook https://www.kobo.com/us/en/audiobook/an-incomplete-labors-of-judasa-from-a-griot A Runic Remnant Of The Labors Of Judasa Colored https://www.deviantart.com/hddeviant/art/Orc-Tofusenshi-Dtiys-2023-Color-970678947 Coloring https://www.deviantart.com/hddeviant/art/orc-tofusenshi-dtiys-2023-blackandwhite-970678468 Cento https://www.deviantart.com/hddeviant/art/An-Incomplete-Labors-of-Judasa-Cento-970677156 #rmtja #rmaalbc #kobo #audiobook #richardmurray #black #artist #poetry #calligraphy ♬ original sound - richardmurraytiktok Youtube
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fair enough @Chevdove
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Someone somewhere suggested Clarence Thomas , a current < 2023> supreme court judge in the usa, is elitist. While I dislike Clarence Thomas I think that label is a mischarecterization. Elitism at its core is a matter of selection, in the same zone as eugenics or a caste system or the phenotypical order in the usa. But I don't see Thomas as someone that champions others based on selection. This is about merit, since he is a lawyer or judge of years he knows merit derives from a sense of gaining no matter the ways or means not the idea in modernity which is earn through acceptible or so called good ways or means. Thomas to me is clearly of the I got mine get yours mentality. He has no communal attachments. And to be blunt, though I dislike him, his philosophy has historical truth. When you look at most of the black community leaders in the usa most well thought of or known, they have one thing in common, fiscal impoverishment. When you look at most of the black fiscal aristocracy in the usa from the war between the states till now, they have one thing in common, individualism or they don't risk a penny for or give time to the black community. And this connects to one of the fundamental problems when black people talk about the usa or even its founding, ala July 4th. The problem is most people in the usa, any phenotype, tend to suggest the founding of the usa was the start of some grand communal experiment. But I argue that is a crude lie. Again, you can take any community in the usa, barring the native american since they are the only indigenous group, and it is easy to see that the populace of said community in the usa doesn't make their larger global community better. Do irish in the usa make ireland better? Do italians in the usa make italy better? Do jews in the usa make israel safer? Clearly blacks in the usa have a detrimental effect on black people outside the usa, ala mandela in south africa. Even beyond phenotype, do women in the usa make female groups better outside? I argue no. The USA is best for one thing or breeds one thing, individualism. Now if you want to grow as an individual the usa is positive,most positive, but if you want your community to grow, the usa is negative, most negative. Clarence Thomas is a prime example. The truth is, black people in leadership positions who say they are communal , ala a barack obama, have done no more or less than thomas in terms of the black community. The difference is Thomas doesn't lie about the truth, while an obama does. Tell the truth folks. No shame in the truth being a lot of negatives. Wishing or hoping the truth to not be what it is for a given place or populace or time is foolish. A shadowy club in California recently associated with Clarence Thomas is being sued for multiple labor violations. Here's what the secret retreat is known for. Former workers, known as valets, are suing an elite men's club for alleged labor violations. The lawsuit claims they were forced to work over 15 hours daily without breaks. The Bohemian Club has been associated with right-wing political figures, including Clarence Thomas. The Bohemian Club, an all-men's private society in California that counts former presidents among its members, faces a class action lawsuit from servers for alleged labor violations. The exclusive club occasionally pops up in the news, primarily for its association with elite and wealthy men. Most recently, a ProPublica report detailing Justice Clarence Thomas' relationship with Harlan Crow mentioned the club. Thomas, who went on luxurious vacations with the billionaire real estate magnate and GOP megadonor, accompanied him to Bohemian Grove — a hidden woodland retreat often associated with the club that hosts events like a 14-day summer camp. Former valets who used to work at Monastery Camp in Monte Rio, California, which they described as one of the "most prestigious and well-known camps at Bohemian Grove," filed the complaint on June 5. The valets, who attended to wealthy guests during summer camp, claim in the complaint that workers were required to work over 15 hours a day with no breaks or meal periods while only receiving pay for 8 hours a day. The suit alleges that club management "continually worked together to come up with methods to avoid paying payroll taxes and overtime." The suit names Bohemian Club treasurer William Dawson as someone who directly asked employees to "falsify payroll records." It also claims that valets were asked to hide when the owner of the payroll company Pomella LLC, also named as a defendant in the suit, came to inspect the Grove. The suit alleges that the payroll company was also aware of the falsified timesheets. The lawsuit also alleges that valets working at around 100 other camps plaintiffs say are associated with the club are run by captains that have engaged in similar labor violations. The lawsuit says that Bohemian Club may seek to distance itself from these camps during litigation, but asserts that these affiliate camps are a joint venture of the main club and that members pay the club to access these sites. The members are suing for up to $1.5 million in damages. In a statement to the Press Democrat, Sam Singer, a communications representative for the club, said that the club "has always valued and respected its employees, and that includes our commitment to full compliance with all applicable wage and hour laws and regulations." "We believe these three individuals know full well they did not work for the Club and that this lawsuit is a transparent attempt to drag the Club into their individual circumstances," Singer told the Press Democrat. "The Club will vigorously defend itself in this action, as it would in any other meritless lawsuit." The Bohemian Club, which has thousands of members and has been associated with Republican presidents like Ronald Reagan, Richard Nixon, and George HW Bush, has been hosting the summer camp for over 150 years and describes itself as a club of "gentlemen who are connected professionally with Literature, Art, Music, or the Drama." The club, full of elite men often tight-lipped about its members and events, has garnered the interest of conspiracy theorists, left-leaning protestors, and interested onlookers. Although there is still much to learn about the club, one ritual was uncovered by InfoWars host Alex Jones, who snuck into the Bohemian Grove summer camp to film a strange ritual that consisted of robed members burning a coffin effigy — named "Care" — in front of a 40-foot owl statue. According to previous investigative reports, the Grove also hosts various social activities, like plays and comedy shows featuring men portraying female characters. The club is also known for hosting "Lakeside Talks," where members, often those of the political elite, speak about policy ideas. The Bohemian Club and a lawyer for the plaintiffs did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment. URL https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-shadowy-club-in-california-recently-associated-with-clarence-thomas-is-being-sued-for-multiple-labor-violations-here-s-what-the-secret-retreat-is-known-for/ar-AA1dlmGn?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=W069&cvid=b39fee1dccf24cb2a2de19bc899dd1cf&ei=30
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The PAwnbroker
Happy Birthday Brock Peters, that voice. In this film, he plays a homosexual black illegal fiscal capitalist
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@richardmurray both
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@Pioneer1 now I comprehend. You call the people the community fails , dead weight, fair enough .
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@zeke1234 very simple, most in humanity are reared to be liars or aid or abet in the maintenance or proliferation of lies. Lies often are the least violent of negativities until the truth comes forward, which usually yields the most unfortunate results or consequences of all negativities.
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@Pioneer1 the black community in the usa never had a philosophy to concur on cause the goals of views of the various black groups are too variant. That is just the historical reality. My only suggestion is for those who think like you, who share your opinion, collate and do.
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@Chevdove What you have to comprehend, and I hope you embrace the following idea well, most countries in modern humanity are filled with liars, the rich lie about where their wealth comes from, the poor lie about why they are denied wealth, the governments lie about the nature of their system, the governed lie about the reality of living under the system. The USA, rich or poor or government or general populace the governed , lie more than any one else in humanity, but has created an environment where most countries mirror the lying culture of the usa. France has always been anti non white or anti non european. But, a few rich in France, have some non white friends or non european friends and tout this egalitarianism. The government of France needed closest to enslaved labor but couldn't operate in the usa global system as in the past, so they had to invite poor people into france, the usa model. But they only wanted their cheap labor , in the same way the usa or england only wanted or wants cheap labor. But, the government of France was unable to say in the usa global system that they never planned on the cheap labor or any of their descendents to be anything in france but that, so France doesn't compute race in their statistics. A strong cover in a humanity whose media in nearly every corner of humanity, led by the USA of course, love statistics to prove or disprove, thus france can say, france is an aracial country cause no racial statistics exist. But the africans in france are liars as well. JAme sBAldwin in his book, I am not your negro flat out said, the algerian is the negro of france. I don't know how better to say it. Any african in France talking about being abused when you think about the relationship of senegal or algeria to france is a liar at the least or at the most a fool plus liar. The truth is a simple thing. It isn't desired by liars cause it invalidates their position. The government of france wants to say it is built to embrace all, when it isn't. The rich of france wants to say, they are open to profit for all when they don't. The poor of france wants to say they are a multiracial community when they are not. The poor of france in parts can't stand each other. The immigrants to france from outside europe, no matter the generation feel they should be accepted or embraced into france when they knew they were not and know they don't need to be. I have been to north africa, yes, their is poverty, alot of it, and the wealthy north africa has no interest in sharing wealth or supporting their impoverished neighbor. But, the immigrants to france from north africa can go home, home being where they came from. I know I have preached and I apologize. But, in this issue people are focusing away from the primary point. The lies eventually are undone by the truth. No shame in telling the truth even if it is a negativity. https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2369&type=status
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@Pioneer1 that's your view, again, all I will say is, I don't concur to the principles of the following from your prose. Again, I don't want you or anyone else to change your views, but I am free to say you don't speak for me or my views are not analogous to yours or anyone else's To the following, I am certain all groups in humanity can grow or expand as well as lessen or diminish . Any human who thinks any group in humanity can't get better or worse at any time , is for me, a true fool. But I don't comprehend what you mean by dead weight, what are you talking about?
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@Pioneer1 all i will say is I can't agree or I don't like or can't accept the following from you as analagous to my perception For me, and me alone, I ask no one to agree or change their opinion, but again for me I can't say how I describe said events fits how you describe it.
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@Chevdove what do you think? history can not be changed while alternative histories can not be known. My position can not be proven nor can pioneer's position be proven absolute. The only thing that is certain is what happened. but how history is assessed explains ourselves and i think many black people in the usa show they are, safe pragmatist, in how they assess history. Taking every turn of history in the usa as a positive step on a path is best, not because it is fact, which is what the past is, not because it must be assessed positivlely, which is only opinion, but because it fits the strategy of seeing the choices the black community, in particular, DOS community has made as to the best interest of the black community. But I argue many events in usa or its european colonial history are not for the best for the black community or at least its majority and do not lead to wiser situations in the time after said events.
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Sammy Davis Interview
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went into the army
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you know that that horrible
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that was my first taste really of racism
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you know ever because I never been
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exposed to it being in Show Business you
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know
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you know you'd run into the average bit
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of it but not them not enough to to
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upset you or anything you know or not
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even to be aware because I'm in show
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business so I wasn't aware of it and as
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a kid being in Show Business you I
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didn't learn until later the about why
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we slept in bus stations and why we had
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to go to the police and say where's
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there
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a colored family that you can stay with
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because you couldn't get in the hotels
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and things like that you couldn't eat in
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this restaurant
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but there was a very close fraternity
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between most of the black and white
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performers at that time
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uh that doesn't exist today what were
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some specific examples when you started
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first getting the message
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well I think the the first real thing
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that I got was in the Army when I you
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know and I was in basic training and I
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hadn't even gone to basic training I
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went in San Francisco we went to the
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Presidio Monterey and the third day I
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was standing in line and this is before
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um desegregation came in the Army you
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know uh and I'm standing in line and at
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the at this place where there was black
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and white soldiers and the cat said you
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know
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where I come from [ __ ] you know
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staring in the back or they they ain't
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here I forget the exact line now and I
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had my my duffel bag and I'm a duffel
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bag but you know the thing like use the
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carry of Shaving equipment in and I just
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sundied him you know
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and knocked him down and had cut his lip
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and he's bleeding from the lid and he
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said
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okay you knock me down but you still a
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and that laid with me you know because
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that that's that's so
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so venomous it really is you know that
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that's the kind of cat that you ain't
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gonna never reach
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were there some points at which you
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during that time when you had a lot of
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pressures on you almost lost confidence
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in yourself
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oh well I that happened to me but not
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until I made it really because you know
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when you when you're hungry and you're
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trying to get there that's one thing
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because you've got that ambition that
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feeds on and you keep crawling on your
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ambition to get there I got there until
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I lost control of everything
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sense of values uh
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now I've got the doll so wound up
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there was no relaxing there was there
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was no being aware of anything first of
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all there was not much to be aware of
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anyway in those days
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but I mean the nominal awareness that
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wasn't there I was just wrapped up in me
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then then I got scared because I started
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to lose what I thought was the basic
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human instinct that I had had
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and I got too phony I did oh I did it
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all man I invented some
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the ones that in the book I invented
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some other problems you know but
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I you know again to relate to what you
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are I said today and I look back 25
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years ago and I say wow I don't think I
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my head would be where it is now if I
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had not gone through that
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25 years ago all the mistakes being on
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all the time
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emulating in truth emulating the white
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stars not trying to get my own identity
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but because that that was the kick then
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you know that's what you had to do so I
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decided if you got to do it then I'd do
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it better than anybody else had ever
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done it
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you know in other words when I started
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to do Impressions and all of that kind
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of stuff relating to a theatrical thing
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being on Broadway and Mr Wonderful you
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know I wanted to do all that because I
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figured if Donald O'Connor can do it man
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I'm gonna do it
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so in other words I was becoming a black
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Donald O'Connor a black Mickey Rooney
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instead of becoming a black Sammy Davis
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what about the Rat Pack era you and
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Sinatra and let me light a cigarette and
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I'll tell you okay
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I keep thinking uh just a few days
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[Music]
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no longer will it be anything happening
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like it should be the one traffic ticket
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that's the first step to maybe in 20
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years is not to legalize it right now
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when they legalized marijuana
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but I'm just comedically I'm thinking
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when they legalize it they will be back
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to commercials again
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and plus but the most important thing is
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you'd never be able to run through the
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forest
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thank you
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what about the Rat Pack era
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was that a part of your mistakes
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well let me tell you about let me tell
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you about the Sinatra thing
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uh
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if it hadn't been for Frank Sinatra
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I don't I would have never been in films
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really
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because he gave me uh
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he gave me a an opportunity
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in three pictures
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based upon the fact that there was
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nothing to do really except the fact
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that it we got the job because we were
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all friends and buddies and it was based
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upon a camaraderie that we had as a
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bunch of guys as performers that Frank
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said why don't we do all do a picture
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together
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but he so he helped my career
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tremendously again my own personal
6:32
involvement being such that I became so
6:35
involved with that lifestyle
6:38
that again I found myself submerging
6:41
into a lifestyle that I could not equate
6:43
with after you'd leave the party you
6:45
come home and you're going to
6:47
and you say wow man it sure was nice to
6:49
be in the company of all them big names
6:50
and the movie star
6:52
but there was no
6:54
on one hand I I loved being with my
6:57
friends
6:58
but it was submerging me as a human
7:00
being I think as I analyze it now
7:03
and there were Beautiful Moments during
7:05
that period of the 60s the early 60s and
7:08
there was some frightening moments I
7:09
remember walking on the stage at the
7:11
Democratic Convention and being booed by
7:13
the southern contingent you know
7:16
because they had no business the only
7:17
reason they booed me was because I was
7:19
married to a white woman you know to put
7:21
it right where it's at that's why they
7:22
boom boom hits how dare you be married
7:25
to a white woman you know
7:27
but it was
7:28
a part of conversation privately and
7:31
publicly is that uh you were married to
7:33
a white woman how do you feel about that
7:36
how would you advise a young black
7:38
person your son about marrying a white
7:41
woman
7:42
I think a person should marry who they
7:43
want to marry man
7:45
I think that you can be committed to
7:47
your people to the cause whatever you
7:49
whatever the terminology you want to use
7:51
doesn't matter matter who you're married
7:53
to if you fall in love you fall in love
7:55
if you're if you're getting I don't
7:57
think anyone gets married has children
7:59
and the rest
8:00
to do a three cheating job you know
8:03
and uh
8:05
to me
8:07
I feel no thing about it I really don't
8:11
I really don't feel anything about that
8:13
because I think that's so damn private
8:16
man
8:16
that has to do with what I want a cat to
8:19
do if it's a brother on the corner
8:20
whatever it is look at me and say what
8:23
did you do today to help
8:24
don't talk about my private life
8:27
that's mine that if you know if I want
8:30
to marry a dog that's my life
8:33
this is the point whatever I had I paid
8:35
my dues to get it
8:38
and I mean pay them
8:40
in every way you want to talk about but
8:43
what I'm but that's professionally
8:45
that's as a human being on a
8:47
professional level but as a human being
8:48
period I tell my kids Harry who you want
8:52
to marry
8:53
now I know this sure as I'm sitting on
8:55
this floor man whole bunch of brothers
8:58
and sisters don't like me there's a
9:00
whole bunch of white people that don't
9:01
like me why do you feel there's a group
9:03
of brothers and sisters who don't like
9:05
you because there was a whole bunch of
9:07
brothers and sisters that didn't like
9:08
Jesus Christ that's why
9:11
and ain't nobody ever been put on this
9:12
Earth that everybody liked
9:14
they don't kill Martin Luther King the
9:16
only thing he kept singing was we shall
9:17
overcome and love and peace killed him
9:19
wiped him out killed Malcolm
9:23
wiped out everybody man don't you
9:25
understand and some cat hired three
9:29
black cats to wipe out the man who was
9:31
the mother of our time and when they
9:33
killed him he had a half a church full
9:35
of people it wasn't like it was packed
9:37
and jammed because already he was losing
9:42
and he says it himself if you read his
9:44
works that there's a whole bunch of
9:46
[ __ ] that don't like me black folks
9:48
like me but not the [ __ ]
9:51
which is true and three black cat three
9:55
[ __ ] knocked him off
9:57
paid by white establishment that's my
9:59
feeling and I will feel this as long as
10:01
I live
10:02
and it was afterwards at the the
10:04
Resurgence of this man and suddenly we
10:07
became aware of all the things that he
10:08
was saying because as long as doesn't it
10:12
strike you funny that as long as
10:16
Malcolm was preaching separatism
10:20
as long as he was preaching such
10:23
vehemence he never got hurt at all it
10:26
was when he came back from Mecca and he
10:28
said we must all live together we must
10:29
we must ask black people do our thing
10:31
but we must all live on this Earth as
10:34
one blah blah that's when he started
10:36
getting his house bombed
10:38
he got wiped out months later
10:40
same thing with King as long as King was
10:42
hitting the March as they put him in
10:44
jail that was it as soon as he started
10:45
talking about Vietnam
10:47
and the workers and this that and the
10:49
other getting out of his field of
10:52
reference
10:53
really
10:55
heavy too heavy for somebody wipe him
10:57
out
10:59
you know and it's frightening to me so
11:01
that's why I say a lot of people will
11:03
not like any performer and you try to
11:06
relate
11:07
as far I'm not talking about relating in
11:09
terms of oh hi bra and do the Fist and
11:12
whatever it is and hey man right on I'm
11:14
not talking about the words I'm talking
11:15
about in your heart relating to what the
11:17
problems are
11:18
but the society in which we live in
11:19
today it has gotten to a point where you
11:21
cannot do that anymore based upon the
11:24
fact that I must do what I feel
11:26
if I feel that I I want to help in this
11:29
area I try to do it and I try to do it
11:31
Sans publicity not based upon the fear
11:34
that I have for my job
11:36
but I think that sometimes if I want to
11:38
help some brothers who are in trouble my
11:40
lending my name to it defeats the very
11:44
purpose that they're trying to achieve
11:48
but money is money
11:50
heart is heart you should lend your
11:52
heart and your money you ain't got the
11:54
money
11:56
then lend this lend your body man to it
11:59
you know but I'm talking about I think
12:01
that if the performer can be used
12:05
than he should be used
12:08
to put my obligation into black positive
12:11
things I'm not talking about National
12:12
organizations it can be something that's
12:14
happening on the corner a project that
12:16
because I found out and Walter Mason can
12:19
tell you we found out that you go into a
12:22
town
12:23
and sometimes it's as little as a
12:25
hundred dollars because you go to an
12:28
area where this where where some
12:30
projects are and they got a recreation
12:31
center ain't got no pool table ain't got
12:33
no records to play so the kids don't go
12:35
there they hang on the car right
12:37
Jesus you walk in and you look around
12:40
and you say hey well I know I get a pool
12:42
table and I know I can get the record
12:44
player and I'll get reprise at that time
12:47
or my own company to send records you're
12:50
in a privileged situation first of all
12:52
uh I can't help but make an analogy
12:54
between yourself and lean a horn
12:55
I mean the two of you are for lack of a
12:58
better phrase are superstars are using
13:00
to some extent your sense of commitment
13:04
you uh you're evolving a new sense of
13:06
self and most importantly like you're
13:09
going in front of the nation and you're
13:11
saying I'm Black and I'm Proud and I'm
13:13
relating to my people
13:15
I'm not going to use anybody's name but
13:17
I'm sure you won't but where are the
13:19
heads of a lot of the black Superstars
13:21
we don't see them like we see you in
13:23
Philadelphia with the street gangs we
13:25
don't see them saying what Lena said in
13:28
terms of what's happened to her well I I
13:30
think
13:32
I think the phonies
13:34
that's what I think and the bitter irony
13:37
of it all is
13:39
that
13:40
again I have to sit by man and watch
13:44
these people be lauded by our brothers
13:46
and sisters in the streets
13:49
and they and the brothers and sisters
13:50
must be aware
13:52
that they ain't doing nothing
13:54
but it took me a long time to get there
13:55
maybe they maybe my brother brothers and
13:57
sisters who are superstars need that
13:58
kind of time and there are many who say
14:00
I don't want to get involved in it
14:02
but I don't know how you cannot get
14:04
involved in it because they are first of
14:06
all black and they are committed
14:08
whether they want to be committed or not
14:10
the very nature of the skin commits you
14:12
I don't read a script that I don't weigh
14:15
and say I wonder what the brother and
14:17
the con is going to think about this
14:20
how can I change it if it's wrong
14:23
because the black performer again has
14:25
that obligation
14:27
that we are black performers
14:30
and so therefore I'm not talking about
14:32
you gonna come out every time man and do
14:35
a number because like on Laugh-In
14:38
you know I do jokes but somewhere along
14:41
the line I've got to relate to what's
14:43
really happening
14:44
somewhere so that the brother who's
14:47
watching me who may not necessarily buy
14:49
my records
14:50
may not go to my movies may not come to
14:53
the Copa the Sands Hotel lassimi will
14:56
say yeah
14:58
in a bar or in his house yeah
15:01
that's all that's my thanks but the
15:04
black audience
15:06
owes that black performer an obligation
15:08
of watching and supporting him unless he
15:10
turns out to be really the rat of all
15:13
time
15:15
but I mean when I say rap I mean he's
15:17
not doing anything he's doing things
15:19
that embarrass the the black population
15:23
now I know a lot of people don't like
15:24
flips doing the the Deacon I've heard a
15:27
lot of talk about it Geraldine Geraldine
15:29
they don't like uh I now my personal
15:32
things I think geraldine's funny I feel
15:34
a little funny about the deacon
15:36
because I think that's going back to
15:37
something that's so deeply rooted in
15:39
black people
15:40
religiously you know that I think that
15:43
that does this to me but I think it's
15:45
still funny because I'm looking at it
15:46
again through one eye that looks
15:49
in two directions first as a performer
15:52
is it funny is it clever secondly as a
15:55
man we're trying to relate to the cat on
15:57
the corner again you understand what I
15:58
mean because first and foremost I'm a
16:01
performer that's all I've ever done all
16:02
my life
16:03
so I know he's got to weigh it but what
16:06
do you do
16:07
you've got to have the support of your
16:09
people
16:10
but geez I just love saying that number
16:13
one variety show in the country now and
16:16
start in by a black man who is very very
16:20
funny but Amos and Andy was funny don't
16:24
do that to me don't do that
16:27
and Geraldine is funny and uh the Deacon
16:31
is funny but can you move forward you
16:33
know at at the level of the struggle we
16:36
are for Liberation yeah you know came
16:38
before to continually uh entertain white
16:41
people with shows produced by white men
16:44
with a frame of reference of what we are
16:46
I mean that's not defining ourselves and
16:49
the role of the Entertainer
16:51
to some extent has to accommodate that
16:54
relevant I think that the Amos Amanda
16:56
was funny I was embarrassed by it I
16:58
signed the letters too you know but I I
17:00
say that I think at this point now we've
17:02
got more stars than we've ever had
17:04
before that I can afford the luxury
17:07
because in place of Geraldine and then
17:10
place a Flip Wilson I have Don Knotts
17:14
since you both guess no baby I was out
17:17
of town you know I haven't had a chance
17:19
to live a boat here okay so what you
17:21
think of the terrible cat dead man
17:27
we are like
17:29
in one sense limited because we will
17:33
never have the audience of a commercial
17:36
Channel but do you want that audience
17:38
I'd like to have that audience on the
17:40
other hand if getting that audience
17:43
necessitated compromising our principles
17:46
I know they have ten Brothers
17:48
out of the 200 million people in this
17:51
country watch this show yeah then they
17:53
have the 200 million people in this
17:55
country watch the show even because I
17:57
think being irrelevant is
17:58
counterproductive you know and and that
18:00
brings me to the next point
18:02
uh you have a show
18:05
that
18:06
folded
18:09
and that's when I think like what you
18:13
said you were in another era
18:15
you're being very kind yeah
18:18
I was a stone rock and you could be for
18:21
free yeah what would you do I mean I
18:24
don't know but I would I tell you what I
18:26
wouldn't do or maybe by that you can get
18:28
a clue I certainly wouldn't do nothing
18:29
more than I'm doing as an entertainer
18:31
today in other words I ain't gonna let
18:33
them change me last time out I let him
18:35
put me in suits I couldn't smoke I
18:37
couldn't say what I wanted to say and
18:39
though I put a lot of people to work and
18:40
I did a lot of things and all of that
18:42
and I changed a lot of policies at NBC
18:44
you know when they catch and went yeah
18:47
because you know I walked into the
18:48
publicity office one day I didn't see no
18:49
black people I said I don't understand
18:50
this it looks like the Lilies of the
18:52
white Fields you know and that was it
18:54
and the guy went oh he's very bitter and
18:56
I went well the hell with it I am very
18:58
bitter if I got it I gotta surround
18:59
myself with people that I know of and
19:01
we've got capable brothers and sisters
19:02
to do it now you go up there and be
19:04
seeing it's packed and jammed and the
19:05
executives are there you know but the
19:07
only thing that they are
19:11
you know
19:15
the most relevant thing I think I was
19:18
able to do was near the end of the
19:20
series I did a sketch
19:21
with nipsy Russell
19:24
about how brothers treat Brothers
19:27
and I did a very Bourgeois cat going in
19:29
to apply for a job right
19:31
and very Bourgeois with the three button
19:33
code as soon as he found out it was a
19:35
brother
19:36
he took his head on each other
19:39
right and the cat's baggies to send him
19:41
in and the cat walked in he said damn
19:43
hey babe that ain't the way he walked in
19:46
the White Secretary was there seeing he
19:47
said I'm I'm here for the job and I like
19:50
to apply I've been okayed and I went
19:51
through the IBM machines blah blah blah
19:54
talked very problem as soon as he went
19:55
in there instead of identifying and
19:57
saying Hey I want a groove it is to see
19:59
you in this position he didn't do that
20:00
he just put his feet up on the desert
20:02
dead go ahead and sign that
20:05
you know I'm straight
20:08
you know and suddenly here's the brother
20:10
sitting there trying to do something and
20:12
he is not protected and it was a funny
20:13
sketch and we loved doing it I got such
20:16
complaints from NBC you would not
20:18
believe and we never were to do another
20:19
one because I think we went through a
20:21
period where we were just pleased to see
20:23
a black guy there
20:25
yeah
20:26
there we are
20:28
there we are we in there because we
20:30
needed that at that period now we've got
20:32
to go on
20:33
further
20:35
you know what I mean and it's not just
20:37
seeing the black cat there anymore
20:39
you know it's like the guys I will
20:42
believe till I die that when the
20:44
pressure came on the Madison Avenue and
20:46
they said you got to put black people
20:47
into commercials they said we'll show
20:50
them black people in a commercial so
20:51
they put them in the commercials where
20:53
black people look ludicrous in
20:56
you know because everybody has a white
20:58
neighbor
20:59
you very rarely see two black women
21:02
talking
21:03
and if they're black women talking
21:05
they're not the sisters
21:08
it's Bourgeois middle class you know
21:11
straight hair no dues never a dude ever
21:14
never do you know can't look like Gloria
21:16
Foster no chance you know you must look
21:19
like you know the old days of of tan
21:22
confessions you know and that's it
21:24
and I look and I say it on the stage
21:26
sometimes I say it's ridiculous because
21:29
it doesn't relate to anything
21:35
you wearing a free Angela button have
21:37
you had any reaction from other people
21:39
as a result of wearing that button well
21:41
that was a fan of mine
21:43
in the restaurant and uh
21:46
was at the risk around the airport and
21:48
the guy walked up and asked my autograph
21:50
and he was white and he said Jay the
21:53
wife gets a big kick out of here when is
21:55
he on the laughing and all that sign us
21:59
for the kitties you know and I signed it
22:01
and he said I was wondering if and he
22:03
started staring at the button and I was
22:04
wearing you know this but and he was
22:06
going like this and he kept saying I was
22:08
I was and he was trying to focus on it
22:10
because I I was blowing his bubble
22:13
because they have
22:15
an image of me I guess of another kind
22:18
my involvement with Angela is again the
22:22
Injustice of it all
22:24
uh her political beliefs you know are
22:26
her own
22:28
I don't share her political beliefs I
22:30
share her blackness
22:32
and I share the Injustice to any black
22:35
person and there's no way that she's
22:36
going to get the right kind of trial we
22:38
know that
22:39
it's stacked against it
22:41
uh they made her the Most Wanted woman
22:44
since uh Bonnie of Bonnie and Clyde and
22:49
I think that if a guy like myself wears
22:51
a button
22:52
that's letting somebody in that crowd
22:54
that I go around with know where my
22:55
head's at
22:57
you're now married to a sister
22:59
is she I didn't I didn't know that
23:04
[Music]
23:09
[Applause]
23:13
[Music]
23:18
and it's so groovy and so nice I've been
23:21
in the hospital five times
23:22
[Music]
23:24
[Applause]
23:30
I think he's trying to tell me so
23:34
I'm absolutely
23:36
you know flabbergasted by the by the
23:39
fact that we as a people almost without
23:42
the underground which they keep saying
23:44
we've got and everything else around the
23:46
ground as a soul underground you know
23:48
don't take no trains or nothing this
23:51
something happens it's it's the same
23:53
thing compared to
23:54
as soon as downtown gets the dance we've
23:57
gone on to another one and nobody ever
24:00
told us that they got it and we didn't
24:03
care about it but when they get funky
24:04
chicken we're into something else
24:06
uh there's something else you know it's
24:08
the thing that we have that ain't no
24:09
other people got in the world
24:12
it's that immediate eye to eye contact
24:15
that says
24:17
jamf
24:19
horse that says
24:21
yeah
24:23
that's that same thing again that one
24:25
word yeah
24:27
and you know and it's not followed by
24:29
he's down right on but really just yeah
24:33
you feel that we can solve our problem
24:34
by having some type of army or some type
24:38
of violent confrontation with whites
24:41
no
24:43
you know ain't no way you can put poor
24:45
Cadillacs against the tank
24:48
two Rusty raises
24:50
you know against an M1
24:52
and the flame throw against a bottle of
24:55
Coca-Cola with a rag in it ain't no way
24:57
you can do that
25:01
how is it that you're free enough uh to
25:04
talk the way you're talking and be an
25:06
Entertainer
25:07
because you know
25:09
the rationale is that if I'm black and
25:11
an Entertainer I can't be too involved
25:13
with black causes and survive in an
25:16
industry controlled basically by white
25:18
people how are you free enough let's say
25:20
to come on black journal and relate to
25:22
the brothers and sisters the Way You Are
25:24
but I I think
25:27
that it's called
25:29
a respect for one's opinion
25:31
because I've had too many white people
25:33
talk to me and say I
25:35
I don't like what you said on the David
25:36
Frost show about something such a thing
25:39
well you but you shared a lot of guts to
25:41
say it
25:44
and the other point is which is very
25:46
very good man
25:48
I really don't care I don't give it
25:52
when I say this is a racist society in
25:55
which we live in everybody knows it is
25:58
that ain't no that ain't no big big
26:00
statement to make it maybe it's shocking
26:03
to hear it from someone that you just
26:04
watched the night before on laughing uh
26:07
but it is man I can't say well how can
26:10
you say that white and black say this to
26:11
me how can you say that man you got it
26:13
made I said I Got It Made because I had
26:15
to fight all of that but I then owe an
26:17
obligation to my brothers and my sisters
26:19
to let them know
26:21
that it existed then it still exists now
26:24
and I've been here for 40 years you know
26:27
I've got the house I've got a wife I've
26:29
got children I've got success
26:32
and now it is time for me to try in
26:36
every way feasible
26:38
to help
26:39
the plight of my people
26:41
and to gain our freedom because I'm see
26:45
the fallacy is man and let's let me say
26:47
this and and I really mean it from the
26:49
bottom of my heart
26:50
money don't make you free
26:52
popularity don't make you free
26:55
don't you know that
26:58
you know sure I live in Beverly Hills
27:00
but I'm Shackled by the same things that
27:01
happen to the brother and Watts
27:06
I've had my bosses say to me
27:09
cats that I work for
27:11
who you know really basically give me a
27:15
Jack Entrada will say to me Sam geez
27:17
that was a little heavy statement you
27:19
said on that I said but it's true ain't
27:20
it Jack he said yeah I know it's true
27:22
but I said Butcher and that's the end of
27:24
that
27:25
I mean that man and my cousin did I say
27:29
it like it is man I've been the last
27:31
five years
27:33
go away
27:39
thank you
27:40
because he's got to respect me it's like
27:42
when a brother comes to me and says but
27:43
man you're a Jew
27:45
you know I look at him and say what's
27:46
your religion and he says I'm a Baptist
27:49
or I don't have one or I'm a Muslim I
27:51
said well our religion is blackness
27:55
because if we ever get to the point
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The Problem in the USA/France/China/Brazil/Nigeria/Russia/Ukraine/Italy/South Africa or most governments in humanity is the spread of the advertised dysfunctional universalism of the USA. I repeat the advertised dysfunctional universalism of the USA. The USA has peddled since it was created a universalism that doesn't exist while has no honest attempt at implementation anywhere in humanity, including in the USA.
The question is what are governments afraid of? the truth, that humans being are free to hate or dislike equal to love or like. The question is, what are populaces afraid of ? IT is clear many white people of france have never embraced the non white or non european. Why are they afraid to say it publicly? We tell children to accept themselves, why do we adults have such a problem doing it? Accepting yourself and publicly expressing yourself allows others to know how they truly stand. In parallel, what are non europeans or statians< of the usa> afraid of? IF you know someone doesn't like you but offers you an opportunity better than in your own environment, well... accept both parts of the equation? Live in the white community, go to harvard, but also accept the white children harassing your non white child, accept harvard resisting you as much as possible. I will even use a current film media reference, and say , consequences. Accept the prosequences folks, but also the consequences. Don't complain about you knew walking in. You don't want those consequences chooe another road, with different consequences, all roads have both.
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Shooting, riots in France show U.S. is not alone in struggles with racism, police brutality
World Jul 1, 2023 8:29 PM EDT
A police killing caught on video. Protests and rioting fueled by long-simmering tensions over law enforcement treatment of minorities. Demands for accountability.The events in France following the death of a 17-year-old shot by police in a Paris suburb are drawing parallels to the racial reckoning in the U.S. spurred by the killings of George Floyd and other people of color at the hands of law enforcement.
Despite the differences between the two countries’ cultures, police forces and communities, the shooting in France and the outcry that erupted there this week laid bare how the U.S. is not alone in its struggles with systemic racism and police brutality.
“These are things that happen when you’re French but with foreign roots. We’re not considered French, and they only look at the color of our skin, where we come from, even if we were born in France,” said Tracy Ladji, an activist with SOS Racisme. “Racism within the police kills, and way too many of them embrace far-right ideas so … this has to stop.”
In an editorial published this week, the French newspaper Le Monde wrote that the recent events “are reminiscent” of Floyd’s 2020 killing by a white Minneapolis police officer that spurred months of unrest in the U.S. and internationally, including in Paris.
“This act was committed by a law enforcement officer, was filmed and broadcast almost live and involved an emblematic representative of a socially discriminated category,” the newspaper wrote.
The French teen, identified only as Nahel, was shot during a traffic stop Tuesday in the Paris suburb of Nanterre. Video showed two officers at the window of the car, one with his gun pointed at the driver. As the teenager pulled forward, the officer fired once through the windshield.
Nahel’s grandmother, who was not identified by name, told Algerian television Ennahar TV that her family has roots in Algeria.
Preliminary charges of voluntary homicide were filed against the officer accused of pulling the trigger, though that has done little to quell the rioting that has spread across the country and led to hundreds of arrests. The officer said he feared he and his colleague or someone else could be hit by the car as Nahel attempted to flee, a prosecutor has said.
Officials have not disclosed the race of the officer. His lawyer said he did what he thought was necessary in the moment. Speaking on French TV channel BFMTV, the lawyer said the officer is “devastated,” adding that “he really didn’t want to kill.”
Nahel’s mother, identified only as Mounia M., told France 5 television she’s not angry at the police in general. She’s angry at the officer who killed her only child.
“He saw an Arab-looking little kid. He wanted to take his life,” she said.
Police shootings in France are significantly less common than in the U.S. but have been on the rise since 2017. Several experts believe that correlates with a law loosening restrictions on when officers can use lethal force against drivers after a series of terrorist attacks using vehicles.
Officers can shoot at a vehicle when a driver fails to comply with an order and when a driver’s actions are likely to endanger their lives or those of others. French police have also been regularly criticized for their violent tactics.
Unlike the U.S., France does not keep any data on race and ethnicity as part of its doctrine of colorblind universalism — an approach purporting to see everyone as equal citizens. Critics say that doctrine has masked generations of systemic racism.
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TWO QUESTIONS OF INDEPENDENCE SIDE PHENOTYPE
If the colonies did not win against the british empire does chattel slavery in the usa end? I give my opinion
Many Black people who succeed in the USA suggest they are pragmatic while black people who don't succeed are not, but I don't concur to that. I think all are pragmatic the key is in what way.
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@Pioneer1 I study history , and in my assessment, notice I didn't say I was right or wrong ... in my assessment your following statement is assumption. What do I know ? I know that even though the british lost the war against the colonies, they did uphold their bargain to the majority of the free black people of the british colonies, said folk who fought against the whites of the colonies. If anyone else reads this notice what I said, they fought against the whites of the colonies. The USA has in it a blood feud that too many have tried to make unreal through media but clearly exists even today. But what does that have to do with your quote Pioneer. You suggest that if britain would had won, then no war between the states. But you forget in your assessment of history, if britain would had won based on their own actions in losing and in the war of 1812 which in my view was the true end to the USA as colonies of britain going forward. Britain was always going to allow Black people in the usa to have rights equal to the whites in the usa if britain won. I don't think britain would had ended slavery but they would had universalized slavery. Meaning what. I guess, no one can know so I am not saying I am right or wrong, that if britain won, the black soldiers would had to play a key role <<it is a joke of nature that black soldiers of the french empire coming from hispanola, that would be soon haiti fought for the colonies. If Haiti had been created, before the usa, said black soldiers don't fight for the french against the british but fightffor haiti alongside britain against france side the usa, only conjecture but it fits>> and based on what britian did in losing, which the usa didn't want. Britian would had given the black soldiers land and rights, equal to any whites in the colonies. why? Ths had nothing t do with europe. Britain only wanted money from the colonies. Britain would not had minded money as long as they are getting it. Sequentially, slavery wouldn't had ended but the phenotypical bounds of slavery in masters or enslaved I think would had ended. And that would had changed human history. To be blunt, chattel slavery still goes on in the usa even, through various cult groups , so slavery never ended , cause it can't, slavery is an element of human culture, forever, the question is, who is enslaved and who is enslaving. I argue the usa becomes like the roman empire , where being enslaved or being an enslaver was polyphenotypical, it had no bounds on appearance... any human could do both. Thanks for the historical question near july 4th
