Chevdove

On 8/21/2018 at 1:58 PM, Troy said:

I could not help but think, man these folks have really kept this place all to themselves.

@TroyThis is the real American Dream... that seems to be out of reach for many people! I have gotten that feeling too, when I visited other places, not only in Florida, but in certain spots all over America. 

On 8/21/2018 at 4:42 PM, Cynique said:

i had a taste of white entitlement this week-end when my kids surprised me with a surprise party on August 18th, my 85th birthday

@CyniqueWOW! HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! CYNIQUE! 

On 8/21/2018 at 4:42 PM, Cynique said:

I jokingly likened the lively  affair to a "wake" and a last chance for everybody to view my body because i don't want a funeral when i croak, just cremation.

LOL! You are too much! You don't seem 85 years old but, 85 years young. My uncles got you beat though, one of them is 97 years old this August and he seems as though he is in his thirties when he talks and converses. One of my maternal aunts is 99 and she is doing fine. And one of my aunts is 82 and I have to hold my breath around her because, she loves all of her neices, nephews and kids, but she is a pistol... 

On 8/21/2018 at 4:42 PM, Cynique said:

So, according to my daughter, this pest almost spoiled the surprise

Oh no. And you say, she wanted her gift opened first!? LOL. I've been in that predicament many times. 

2 hours ago, Mel Hopkins said:

Any black man can achieve the "American dream" that is if he survives the effects of racism. 

I agree.

My 2 cents:

My take on this may seem unconventional. Also, I cannot make sense nor can I interpret the percentage breakdown on certain issues but, here’s my opinion on this topic:

I feel that this government has a lot to do with the issues of visibility versus invisibility when it comes to both Black African American men and women, and I feel that this system has a lot do to with the gender conflicts that exist between us and they have used methods to foster and carefully instigate conflicts and at times beef it up by way of certain ploys especially in terms of job opportunities given or not and etc. But, way before these Europeans set sail for this land though, I feel that there were already problems that did already exist between the Black African men and women and therefore, this is only being exploited continually.

And this is not an issue with just Black African American. My experience with a past co-worker, from India, shows me that they have the same dynamics in their cultures. 

25 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

My husband's brother is also O+, however, his people identify as an African American, but his grandmother was born on a reservation, and belongs to a North American tribe. Their ancestry on both sides go way back before Columbus. So, I here this O Pos. presence in the African American culture a lot. 

Yes, me too. I hear a lot about the O type blood but not the rh neg though coming from a lot of ethnic people.

@CyniqueThis chart reflects what you are saying about the O blood type. And, I did hear about the blood transfusion and that experts wonder about this issue too in confusing the results of people being negative. That makes me wonder about that African woman who at first had, positive rh but then after having two babies, she was told that she had rh negative. That is interesting.

17 minutes ago, Cynique said:

I also know that the RH factor was just discovered in the 1940s during WWII when blood transfusions were at an all time high.

**My husband's brother is also O+, however, his people identify as an African American, but his grandmother was born on a reservation, and belongs to a North American tribe. Their ancestry on both sides go way back before Columbus. So, I here this O Pos. presence in the African American culture a lot. 

5 minutes ago, Cynique said:

Do a little more research on the subject.  

I am trying. 

You know, that is what I was saying about the statements about the Genome Project in that it is said that people of African descent especially sub-Saharan Africa have NO DNA from Neanderthals. That sounds like a contradiction to me especially due to African Americans and how we have been intermixed over here for hundreds of years. Also, I did read the break down on the process of the D negative and D positive testing and how it is determined that a person has RH NEGATIVE. I do know about the recessive breakdown on the possibility of a person having RH NEG. And I know what is said about the percentage of RH Neg in the Horn of Africa. But are you saying that this RH NEGATIVE PRESENCE IS NOT PREDOMINANTLY PRESENT IN WHITE EUROPEAN WOMEN?

RH positive has a child that is RH negative, the mother’s blood will literally kill the child due to incompatibility, this is not an evolutionary trait from a single stock of genetics.

…… However, according to modern DNA sequencing, it is demonstrated that humanity as we know it, isn’t just ONE single ‘race’ that descended from the same ancestor in Africa, but a hybridized species, with a far more enigmatic truth behind it all.

https://newearth.media/7573-2/

Inheritance[edit]

If both of a child’s parents are Rh negative, the child will definitely be Rh negative. Otherwise the child may be Rh positive or Rh negative, depending on the parents' specific genotypes.^[29]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rh_blood_group_system

4 hours ago, Troy said:

I never heard of a Zorse either  I see it is one of many different Zebroids.  You learn something new everyday

yes indeed. Lol.

4 hours ago, Troy said:

I would discourage you from using Christianity to understand science -- then you'll get really confused.

I don't know, I try to use a timeline along with secular scholars especially about the history that revolves around ancient Egypt, and I see some accurate correlations. But yes, in the past, Biblical references were confusing based upon what so-called 'Christians have taught'. 

3 hours ago, Cynique said:

my RH factor is "negative". My husband was "O" positive.

Are you saying that you have no recent parent that was not European? Wow. that is not the norm for certain. 

President Obama's mother passed this onto him but like you, but he is the male. So I don't know. 

I've read where an African woman gave birth to two sons and during her third pregnancy, she was told that she was rh negative. 

If the doctors are lying and giving these injections to these White women, then they need to go to court! LOL.

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Definition of TOPCROSS

A cross between a superior or purebred male and inferior female stock

to improve the average quality of the progeny; also: the product of such a cross

 https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/topcross

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Tigons are much smaller than ligers so are less popular in the world of hybrid fanciers.

Tigons are not only smaller than ligers, they're often smaller than both their parents.

Most tigon offspring don't reach full term or are stillborn because the mother tiger's

womb isn't big enough to hold the big tigon cubs, which are larger than what the male

tiger's cubs would be. Tigons are often smaller when full-grown than either of their parents.

https://animals.mom.me/difference-between-ligers-tigons-3506.html

A ZORSE

A Zebra male + Female horse = a Zorse

Offspring of Two differnt species  

@Troy Thank you for posting the beautiful photograph of MS. Teresa Kemp and you! 

I read up on her past works and saw that she wrote two other books and I hope to follow her more now. She has such a rich background. She has posted photos of her youth when she went to school in Germany! She went to college in West Virginia and lives in Georgia. Here is one of my favorite pictures that she posted of herself when she was younger: 

Teresa Kemp

What a beautiful fro! She is gorgeous both in her youth and now. I am so gratefule that you have shared this information. 

15 hours ago, Troy said:

[1] By your first question are you implying that Black and white people have different blood?

@Troy Thank you, I appreciate your comments. But regarding Black and White people having differnt blood--I absolutely do NOT believe they have different blood. But based on the partial conclusions scientist are offering in lieu of proven facts, it seems obvious to me that their are at the very least two separate species that this world today comprise. That is why I posted the LIGER and also, I will share my reference on THE TIGON to show how different species can mate. But the "L" means that the LIGER is a Lion hybrid and, the "T" means tha the smaller species hybrid, the TIGON is defined and categorized by scientist as a TIGER hybrid.

This is based on the TOPCROSS malefactor, the Lion, because he is the most dominant of the cat species. And the Tiger is the malefactor that mated with the Lioness but scientist define species based on the TOPCROSS and then go down from that perspective. Tiger males that are compelled to breed with other species in captivity do not huge casts on the percentage that the Lions do. 

YOu're right. All male hybrids like Hercules, the 1,000+ pound LIGER are completely sterile. But the female hybrids born from these two species reproduction CAN reproduce and they have reproduced. This is the same thing that has happened with humans noted in the past that did practice various forms of Selective Breeding. 

@Troy You may understand the basics of Genetics, but I am not really good at this, but I try to take notes because for me, it is a lot! And, I can get confused, however, it is my passion and I am trying to understand this more and more. I took the required Genetics and Statistic courses in college and it became a fascination since that time. 

Regardind BLOOD TYPES and as I stated before, I agree with you in that there are many White Europeans that have more African DNA than many Black African people! But, when I look at the DNA research and the Bible, I know why this is. It is due to the partial CONCLUSIONS scientist are making. They don't explain their findings completely. They admit there are more than one species that did intermix but that's is all they do. The ABO Blood groups and etc. shows that most modern humans have this blood group, and the RHESUS MONKEY research that led to an understanding of the RH factor gives more information and reveal Neanderthal presence. All Africans, original anyway are RH Positive. Like the Primates all original Africans are of the AB blood group but Europeans have a variation.

Many Europeans in Ireland, UK, Scotland, and France and in Mexico and an area in East India, have a high percentage of being Rh- and have the O Blood group; 60% or 70% of the population. When Africans have this Rh- factor it is always due to a White mother. Not all White women have this Rh Negative factor. Most of Europeans in other parts of Europe have the normal Rh postive factor. What does this mean? It means that most White people origins come from Africa and the African man and woman. But the Rh negative means the presence of another species. So, no, I absolutely do NOt believe that all White people have different blood at all. I believe that there is much more to the science of the Neanderthals that scientist are not willing to share because in the past, they wanted to believe that African people were all Apes, and Gorillas, and Monkeys because they knew we all had the ABO and rh + like the primates and they could not explain away that rh- that they knew existed. 

***Some of my older cousins told me, one of which was a medical doctor, that Cain was cursed and turned Black. My husbands older sister, who was a minister of a Black church, told me that same thing. And now, I see through research where this may be coming from. White Supremacist do NOT want to admit that the Genome Project and all of their research shows that the modern humans HOMO SAPIENS come from an African man and woman.  So they put out negative propaganda for a long time and we are now confused. 

This was simply a mistake. Some had made the assumption that Neanderthals were the same species so they would homo sapiens. To distinguish, they referred to modern humans as homo sapiens sapiens. In other words, modern humans would be a sub-species. However, DNA analysis has shown this to be incorrect. Neanderthals were a different species so they are now called homo neanderthalensis and we are homo sapiens.

Article: WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOMO SAPIENS AND HOMO SAPIENS SAPIENS

https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-difference-between-homo-sapiens-and-homo-sapiens-sapiens

Neanderthals diverged about 500,000 years ago, so they are mostly no longer categorized as homo sapiens neanderthalensis, but as homo neanderthalensis.

https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-difference-between-homo-sapiens-and-homo-sapiens-sapiens

Earlier in another post, I mentioned this Liger BUT i Iincorrectly said his name was Samsun, but I was wrong.

His name is HERCULES.

The Liger is a hybrid cross between a male lion and a female tiger, thus both its parents are from the Panthera genus, but from different species. Ligers are the biggest of all the big cats, growing to almost the lion and tigers combined size.

@Troy Perhaps the reason why my statements are not understood clearly is because I lack a higher degree and have not been in a disciplined classroom environment beyond a B.S. degree. But still, I would like to reply to some of statements but, not on what I believe but what I understand from scientist, scholars and reference material, and also observation: I agree about the 'One Drop Rule' being ridiculous and again, I don't understand this governments definition of 'race' but, I want to address your other statement;

7 hours ago, Troy said:

Black and white people have the same blood

[1] Scientist findings about the ABO Blood types and also the RH factor does show a break down based on differnt 'kinds' of people. Based on my understanding of the research, the Rh Negative factor has an exclusive origin in 'White females'. This is not what I believe this is a fact that has to be considered for such things as blood transfusion and preganancy issues. When a White female with RH- is impregnated by a Rh+ father, she has to undergo procedures because of what has happened in the past before this issue was recognized. Her body builds up sustances that will harm the baby and, if she becomes pregnant with the second baby, it is that pregnancy that is in danger. 

8 hours ago, Troy said:

If does not matter how you vary the question all of humanity belongs to the same species. Homo Sapiens.

[2] Okay. In terms of the modern Homo sapiens, I agree. But if the scientist today speak in reference to the presence of Neanderthal DNA and also, they categorize them in a separate 'species' then, there is a distinction based on the scientific definition of the term 'SPECIES'. There was a conflict on how to categorize 'Neanderthals in the 1920s because of the issue of the AFrican people of whom was believed to be 'lesser race' but soon, scientist defined modern humans as being 'HOMO SAPIENS' and the Neanderthals as being a separate species as 'HOMO NEANDERTHALENSIS'. But I do understand you in that even though scientist report that modern humans did intermix with Neanderthals, you still believe that their presence does not change the definintion of todays modern humans and that we are all one species. 

8 hours ago, Troy said:

Neanderthals and all other human species (as far as anyone knows) migrated out of Africa.

[3] But this still does not change the reports in that Neanderthals are a distinct species apart from the modern Homo sapiens? It doesn't matter where they migrated out from, the classification of 'species' is not based on geographical origins in this earth.

8 hours ago, Troy said:

but I doubt there is much of a relationship.

[4] Me too. I am limited on the subject of DNA and so, I am not absolutely sure about my research because I am not in a classroom setting. HOwever from what i understand about Horse coat coloring and cat coat coloring, this has been used by scientist to correlate to the human race in regards to DNA, eye coloring, hair coloring, and etc. the terms used such as 'EUMELANIN' and more are the exact same terms and science that determines the coloring of horses and cats. You are not requesting for me to back up what I say by offering references and so, I realize you think I'm way out in left field. But nevertheless, if I come across some references perhaps, you might be willing to check it out.

8 hours ago, Troy said:

If you want to believe that man is made up of multiple species and that these species related to the different humans races and that Neanderthal DNA plays a factor and this is all explained by cat hair color... it is a free country.

[5] No, I don't want to just believe blindly but I did present some terms like HOMO ERECTUS, HOMO FLORENSIES, HOMO NEANDERTHALENSIS, and HOMO SAPIENS because these are terms that scientist use to define separate species. And no, I don't want to believe blindly that Neanderthal DNA plays a factor in the modern humans, but I did refer to these topics as being determined by the scientific process byway of scholars. Oh well... thanks anyway for reading. 

I did get a chance to look at some links and references about a subject that I had mentioned earlier about 'giants' and it sort of goes along with this topic so, I hope to at least post some references about that. 

@Delano This article is good to read! Thank you. But also, it hurts. 

It is pretty interesting too, that the author is a White man and he really struck at my core because of his candidness about White Supremacy and his viewpoint about President Trump. This part really hit me to core:

" Trump’s nationalistic right-wing populism, which scapegoats immigrants and minorities to deflect rage from Cohn and his fellow profiteers, is nothing new. "

And they he wrote about the villian in the book the Great Gatsby:

"the plutocratic villain of The Great Gatsby, Tom Buchanan, is a white supremacist prone to observations like “if we don’t look out the white race will be … utterly submerged” and “It’s up to us who are the dominant race to watch out or these other races will have control of things.” …"

Lastly, what really caught my eye was when he wrote that only two years after this book was published around 1925, a budding real estate developer was arrested at a KU KLUX KLAN riot named FRED TRUMP!!! My my my...

And then this author of this article ended with this painful statement in that; "...The rest is history inexorably leading America to this dark place where, nearly a century later, the green light at the end of Daisy’s dock is so distant it just may be in China."

The American Dream is gone for so many people except for maybe as he wrote the one percenters. 

Again, thank you for posting this article.  

Like this auther said, so much has changed since 911 Attacks and even since the past 10 years ago; 2008. 

23 hours ago, Troy said:

They are still SPaiens like the rest of us.  Maybe if they had 75% Neanderthal DNA it would be a different story.

I don't know about that because, this 'percentage' classification would be RELATIVE to who in the past records would have defined it as such and also based on scientific facts with regards to a comparison and contrast to other issues. Tlhat is why I brought of 'THE ONE DROP RULE'. Relative to this government and their definitions of A QUADROON and etc. they made their laws. But Based upon science today and ancient records, this would be a wrong way to classify people, with respect to being 'AFRICAN' or perhaps 'a DARK SKINNED, STRAIGHT HAIRED AUSTRALIAN ABORIGINE' for example.  Also, the Neanderthal has the same GENUS HOMO but the term Sapien is sometimes not defined to include them. They are defined as 'a species' that is distinct because they existed long before the HOMO SAPIEN SAPIEN that is defined in other regards. 

Also I mentioned GENDER DETERMINATION based on GENETICS because today, the law has been passed that is based upon a person's choice, whether or not they choose to undergo surgery or just be defined as LGBT or etc. But in the past, this would be wrong and solely based upon a persons GENETICS. 

Neanderthals are intersexed but not the original African man and this can be seen in their GENES. But due to the intermixing of Neanderthals with the HOMO SAPIEN SAPIEN, today, some people today are born intersexed in the African 'race' and 'European 'race'. 

Also, the Neanderthals have a separate classification from the HOMO SAPIEN SAPIEN and therefore, there is two distinct classifications here based on GENETIC MARKINGS. Nethertheless, the Neanderthals did intermix with the modern humans of today [Homo Sapien Sapien].  

Therefore like other classifications of species and genera, it is not cut and dry here, and it is not based upon percentages like 75%. IF there is a reproduction of two species then, it becomes A HYBRID.  A Hybrid from a Neanderthal father would be A HOMO NEANDERTHALENSIS [ie. sometimes written as Homo Sapien Neanderthal],  and a Hybrid from a modern Homo Sapien--African man would be a Homo Sapien Sapien. Therefore if Neanderthal men intermixed with the modern womankind and produced offspring, how can they be extinct with these traits are shared traits from this kind of reproduction? 

In respect to the DENISOVANS that died out, the NEANDERTHALS that lived for a long time on this earth and, the contradiction that scientist say, the Neanderthals died out; [1]  The Neanderthal and the Denisovans have been determined to have a MRCA Recent Common Ancestor. This means that the Neanderthal is definitely A DENISOVAN!

[2] When I went to visit the Smithsonian, all of the many other HOMONIDS in the room were either Black or very dark skinned except for the Neanderthalensis. What does this mean? Well, that would mean that the Neanderthal underwent A MUTATION and therefore they are distinct form of a DENISOVAN.

[3] The anthropology of Neanderthals shows that they were a violent presence due to the marks on their skeletons, broken bones, gashes, blows to their skulls, that healed and were broken again... and there were deformities and etc. What does this SUGGEST. Well, if they are a lesser presence of the DENISOVANS then, it suggest that the Denisovans or should I say, ORIGINAL NEANDERTHALS were much more powerful yet, they became extinct due NOT TO PHYSICALLY UNFITNESS but due to some type of violence. 

[4] The NEANDERTHALS are white, and this is the mutation that shows up in their chromosomes, however, technically they were not just 'white' but they carry the DNA of ALBINISM [ie. many forms of it] and they carry many other distinct traits that the African man does not carry. 

So in my brief conclusion: The Neanderthals could not completely have died out if they intermixed with 'the AFRICAN MANKIND' and their traits are ever present and showing up in all of us today. So it would be a serious misinformation to say that african people do not have any Neanderthal traits, but it would be more correct, scientifically to say, that AFRICAN PEOPLE DO NOT RETAIN certain traits because a lot of the Neaderthal traits were tranferred in THE SKIN CELLS!!! And also, in respect to the SCIENCE OF COLOR, White people, as you have alluded to, are not necesarrily defined as Neanderthals because they are White, but the color of being 'White' is not only determined by one origin. the color 'white' or etc. light skinned, can come from the African mankind.  This can easily be seen due to the science of 'CAT COAT COLOR' and 'HORSE COAT COLOR', but due to White Supremacy and an intense time in ancient times of INBREEDING and SELECTIVE BREEDING, there is a confusion today as all humans contain MARKINGS of the reproduction that occurred a long time ago. This is why I say that scientist have delibarely contradicted themselves. 

23 hours ago, Troy said:

Yes most Europeans have a small percentage of Neanderthal DNA, but this does not make them, Neanderthal -- or "white."  They are still SPaiens

@Troy In terms of your statement; [1] How to you feel about 'THE ONE DROP RULE?' Do you believe that if a White person has ONE DROP OF BLACK BLOOD then, they are Black or African? 

And think about this question; [2] If a European person marries an Asian person and has an offspring, then are they only European, or are they Asian, or BI-CULTURAL or, dual-Species, or one species?

And, I have yet two more questions that may help me to further explain my research on this subject of 'SAPIENS'; [3] If a man and a woman marries and has an offspring and that offspring is born with perhaps, a form of MENTAL RETARDATION and this is a recognized pattern in the male's ancestry, should this issue not be significant in an attempt to understand why this is occurring? and lastly,

[4] What if a man and a woman marry and has an offspring and afterwards it becomes obvious that baby is born A FEMALE with female reproductive organs but also is born with a combination of MALE REPRODUCTIVE ORGANS and byway of Genetic testing it is recognized [observed' that the father has an EXTRA X SEX CHROMOSOME with a SRY-MALE SEX GENE attached to this X  SEX Chromosome. Furthermore, it is a determined a proven factor that NO INDIGENOUS AFRICAN MAN has this issue but it is a pattern that continues to show up in a high percentage of White Europeans and furthermore------- DRUM ROLL HERE ----- it is a pattern that defined in NEANDERTHALS? Should scientist recognize this kind of GENETIC information to determined a distinction with regards to SPECIES of HOMO SAPIENS?

CONCLUSION: Even though humans come from a particular origin scientist makes classifications with regards to GENETIC MARKS that show up at differnt times in the past. So there are phrases like HOMO ERECTUS, and HOMO FLORENSIES [sp?], and HOMO SAPIENS, and HOMO SAPIEN SAPIEN ane etc. Also due to certain GENETIC MARKINGS known as MUTATIONS, this is one basis for different classifications of species. 

@Troy On the other hand, though, if you flip this phrase the other way, then the answer would be different.

23 hours ago, Troy said:

There is not a single physical characteristic of any so called race of people that is not present in indigenous Africans. 

If you were to say; There is  a single physical characteristic of so called race of people that is not present in White Europeans, but actually present in original African people, then you might understand the distinction between indigenous Africans versus 'some' kinds [ie. kindreds] of people on this earth. 

Also, regarding 'physical characteristics' and the issue of GENETICS ther is definitely a distinction that determines the unique species of people on this earth. 

On 8/14/2018 at 8:59 AM, Pioneer1 said:

I personally use those terms for LACK of better terms to use in the English language.

@Pioneer1 Yes, I agree. I use this term and others for lack of better terms in this English language too.

And I do agree with much of what you have written. But regarding the term, 'Caucasian' even though I know that today European scholars use this term too, in the description of White people, but I have another deeper understanding about this term too.

On 8/14/2018 at 8:59 AM, Pioneer1 said:

human beings with different phenotypes are indeed different from eachother and those differences should be recognized and appreciated instead of pretending that they don't exist.

NOw, here, I have a problem with this understanding and here is why. I majored in Biology and have done extra research. So I also consider the term

GENOTYPE  and PHENOTYPE. As you said earlier, Phenotype is determined by GENES. Therefore, I think you may have this backwards. A persons GENOTYPE determines a persons' 'race' based on my understanding.  

On 8/14/2018 at 8:59 AM, Pioneer1 said:

When you pretend that there is no difference between you and White racists, you set yourself up to be harmed and exploited

Absolutely!!!

On 8/14/2018 at 8:59 AM, Pioneer1 said:

Like both you and I have said, it doesn't matter whether WE believe race exists or not...as long as White people in charge believe it then we have to accept this as a fact and deal with it.

Absolutely!!!

On 8/12/2018 at 3:24 PM, Troy said:

but it is much more likely we'll just go the way of he Neanderthal and Denisovans.

@Troy You know, I believe we have been mis-educated on this score. Scientist say that the Denisovans died out but the Neanderthals lived for a long time afterwards. Also scientist day that the Neanderthals died out, but here again, they have contradicted themselves. 

If Neanderthals breeded with Europeans and etc. and lived contemporary with the modern humans 'Homo sapian sapian' [a distinct species] then, what this really means is that the Neanderthos DID NOT DIED OUT ALTOGEHTER!. So while their dominant presence has died out, however, ... Uh! LIke I said, this is a contradiction. So hey, maybe after a million years from now, humans might still be existing but what they look like... who knows.... but they may still possess some type of commonality due to a continuous presence through some type of 'reproduction', resurrection or whatever the term may be...

11 hours ago, Troy said:

There is no chromosome or set of gene one can use to identify one's race.

@Troy Uh, in terms of species, Genera, Family grouping; there are sets of chromosomes that do identify certain classifications of Humans. 

On 8/12/2018 at 8:12 PM, Pioneer1 said:

you have African, Native American, Caucasian, ect.. races.

But, the problemI am having, @Pioneer1 is that these terms that are used today and defined by this Western Civilization is a confusion for me because I see a deeper issue here. And this is why I still don't understand the debate over the term 'race' today. For example, I have heard many people argue about the term 'African' in that it is not the correct term to define Black people from this continent we know today to be 'Africa' based on sound reasoning. I want to say I understand you but then, I still don't understand this term 'race' on a wider scale. 

'The African race'-- why not be known as 'the race of Kemet' or 'the Hamitic race' or 'the Negro race'; all of these terms can carry a unique definition one from the other.  

--So what about 'the South Africans that are White and Blonde hair'; they don't fit the definition that I have in my mind about being 'African' based on traits as you have pointed out. I may be over thinking this, but still, it is a confusion for me.

As @Troy did say, I prefer to use the term 'Species' when I address 'races' today. 

On 8/12/2018 at 8:12 PM, Pioneer1 said:

The reason why it seems so confusing is because White Supremacists keep CHANGING the names and definitions of the races over and over again to keep you confused.

Oops! There it is. Maybe this is why I am confused on this issue. 

13 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The Nubians are dark skinned, dark eyed, and kinky haired 3000 years ago and they STILL are today.
The Germanic people were white skinned, blue eyed, and straight blonde haired 3000 years ago and they STILL are today.

I'm not even sure about this either. Confusing. Why do I say this? Well there are many other kinds of 'Nubian people' that may stem from 'the Orginal Nubian' and have unique traits but then there are other people that lost this identity altogether and would not be considered Nubian anymore. However, some people still may identify as Nubian even though they don't look nothing like the Original Nubians and in this sense, there is a conflict. This goes the same for the term 'Germanic'. What is an Original German?

On 8/12/2018 at 3:24 PM, Troy said:

An African can have more in common, genetically, with a European than another African.

@TroyYOu know, I agree but scientist contradict themselves even in this regards. There statements about the Neaderthal and the percentage found in Europeans and Asians versus Africans shows this contradiction. 

On 8/12/2018 at 3:24 PM, Troy said:

But over time this backward thinking will die out on its own.

I don't know about that. White Supremacy has been pretty resilient for a long time, a long, long time. Your quote about 'having a gun and using it' pretty much some up how violent this supremacy movement has been. Even though it seems to me, when I see Black people in the Olympics, percentage-wise they are a resililent people but then, nevertheless, we are a minority and Black men have filled up the prisons in the majority. On the other hand, White people are a majority. So it seems that Black people may be the ones that may die out first, anyways, if things keep going in this way. 

On 8/12/2018 at 3:24 PM, Troy said:

Saying that Americans have been the most oppressed for "thousands upon thousands of years" is a gross exaggeration don't you think?

YOu know, I thought I said Black Africans as a whole. Did I say Americans? I have to read what I wrote. But yes, that would be too restrictive even regarding Black AFricans, however, I was thinking differently but wrote the wrong phrase. I was actually thinking in terms of a time way before Africans were known as such. 

I've been to visit the Smithsonian. I saw the Human origin museum. Every HOMONID presented was either Black or very dark skinned, all except for the Neanderthal and he existed for a long time without the presence of the Black Homonids based on the dates offered. So in this regards, I don't believe that I am exaggerating. 

On 8/12/2018 at 9:57 AM, Mel Hopkins said:

For you, I will add a bonus feature and provide you with the non-fiction source material (mostly secondary)  I used to to give the novel its "factual"  feel.

Thank you! I'm a reader and I am lookinf forward to it. I've so met so very few authors in my life, so this is amazing!

On 8/12/2018 at 3:32 PM, Troy said:

someone stole my slogan, readmoor.com is taken. 

@Troy,  @Mel Hopkins You're kidding!? Oh well, I hope they are Moorish. 

@Troy Yes, thank you, I actually stayed up for a while and searched the web and read Teresa Kemps' Bio on her website and look at her photos. She is fascinating! YOu have done awesome work.  

16 hours ago, Troy said:

Unfortunately I did not capture our conversation about African Giants, she spoke about people being 20 feet tall.

I have never heard of Giant reaching that height. As you have said, some issues with certain kinds of Giants [not all] have significant problems that lead them to have a short life span. So you have met this author?

Well, I find her extremely interesting! She speaks about her ancestors and about their connection to Brazil and how the recent Olympics of 2011 impacted this rich history. She speaks about some African people being traders during the slavery times and about the ancient metalsmith practices which is very significant in dating history. And she is a living proof herself of what she speaks of in terms of her ancestry being from West Africa and also being linke to the Jews. 

Her features are striking. She has a mediteranean nose [ie Seljuk Turkish traits]. And she has Egyptian eyes that droop downward on the outside of face. She is astonishing. And what I like the most is that she mentioned the color range of African people in that they can be very fair skinned and then she said--- to a dark purple Black. Many people today don't believe me when I speak about 'being so Black skinned that the hue can appear to be 'blue-Black or even violent-Black'. They think I am crazy. I would love to meet her and get her book. But first, I am trying to get my pennies up to get @Mel Hopkins book and now, the magazine. And I have got my mind set on that mug too, I am thinking about making some holiday gifts, but I won't be asking you about that until a few months from now. I really like that mug; 'READ MOOR'. I am also envisioning even a t-shirt or hat with that theme on it. 

13 hours ago, Mel Hopkins said:

I lived near Moundsville, WV,  when I lived in the Ohio Valley and Native American lore indicated there were giants buried in the mounds. I included the lore in my novel since it advanced the story line.

@Mel Hopkins Wow! Thank you very much! I am so happy to get this link to add to my research. You know, that is where I am from. I am from Western Pennsylvania, the Ohio Valley area--- the Shenango Valley. Amish country. And I have done research on the Mound Builders Civilization and know about the main Capital of the three Capitals and that the main Capital was in this very area! ---The Serpent Mound in Ohio and the border area of my homeland. the Nadene Civilization. I think the other two was in Mississippi area and then somewhere in Middle America. When I grew up and moved away eventually, I would be sent back home just about every summer, and my older cousins would tell us these dark dismal stories that scared us younger cousins and some of the themes included stories about mounds, and headless horsemen, one armed hook man, and ghost and giants, mummies and ... it scared me.  Many times, we'd be up listening to them all night until the sun rose up.  

15 hours ago, Troy said:

n another post you mentioned other races of humans like the Denisovans.  They were a difference race of people.  But the so called white man and Black man are the same race, Sapiens -- despite the claims of racists. That is basically it.

Yes, but again, I actually don't understand that term 'race' as it applies to anything. So I try to remember to use quotation marks when I use this term. 

You say that the 'so-called white man and Black man are the same race and for now, I just don't have a problem with your stance' but, I do consider the fact that the people that run powerful governments have set the standard no matter what we believe.  European people today who dominate this system define their system based on differientiating based on "the White European race'" and the "Black African 'race'".  In ancient times, other systems defined their governments in certain ways and based on Colorism in many regards. So even though mankind came from a certain origin, most of the big governments run by certain people made a difference no matter what origin we come from and so, how can this be ignored especially if Black and darker skinned people of African descent seemed to be the ones the most oppressed and for thousands upon thousands of years?  I feel like this; If this history is unavoidable and we still today are compelled to be defined by these basis then, the issue of our origins as 'a oneness' doesn't matter now. Based upon how certain cultures have been defined over the years becomes almost like a defense now, a basis to which may be used to have a voice against White Supremacy. We can't force White people to accept that we all came from 'the same race'? So, if they want to be viewed as a distinct 'race' apart from 'Blacks' then what can we do? 

Now, I will say this in regards to my research on the DENISOVANS. My research reveals that based on the DNA analysis and the Genome Project, it is a fact that the Neanderthal and the Denisovan have a Common Ancestor. So, this is what I believe too. I believe that you are absolutely right in that at one point, one distant point in time, the White man and Black man are the same 'race', so you don't have to convince me! 

Scientist do say that the Neanderthals are indeed, Denisovans at one point and so before the Denisovans became extinct they must have lived contemporaneously when the Neanderthals exhisted too. But there is a very long gap too, when the Denisovans disappeared and the Neanderthals inhabited this planet...alone... without the presence of the Denisovans. So then, what happened to the Denisovans!? I have an opinion about this... 

I do believe that ideas pumped into our society can be distructive and, I also believe that some beauty features such as wearing certain hairstyles can be viewed as supporting White Supremacy and Colorism, but today, it is not altogether viewed the same as it was in the past. Today, there are some Black women that wear hairstyles such as blonde afros and weaves as an enhancement to their features like this sista I posted. beautiful!!! She is so beautiful.