Will The Real Kamala Harris Please Stand Up!

[frankster]

11 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

@frankster That is very interesting!

One of my ancestors, my Great-grandmother is from East Africa. She was a slave child.

Another, my Great-grandfather was from India. He was light skinned though and was not a slave. 

Ethiopians, many of them over here keep telling my son that he looks Ethiopian. 

And many Arab people tell my son the same thing, that he looks either Egyptian or Ethiopian. 

So, I can relate to what you have said. 

My guess is they are referring to the Amhara or Oromo ethnic Groups and not the Mursi or Hamar Ethnic Groups all four are of Ethiopia or Ethiopian Nationality.

 

11 hours ago, Chevdove said:

Yes, we are all of African Descent, I agree but only when it comes to our male origins. 

So our Female origins are different.....explain?

 

11 hours ago, Chevdove said:

I don't know the actual gene that has this allele for 'African hair' but, I am positive that geneticist do know. It would definitely be a specific gene.

I am Confident you can find out which gene it is?

 

11 hours ago, Chevdove said:

Yes, that is so true and that is why Geneticist would know the exact gene associated with 'African hair type' -- the type of hair that locks.

If Nappy tightly curled hair (4c) and Coily hair is not the same please show them both and the "Locking" that differentiates them.

 

11 hours ago, Chevdove said:

In other words, they can see the gene association with the E1b1 groups and that their genes have that very gene expression that causes the phenotype of nappy hair,

Cool....E1B1 is responsible for the phenotype nappy hair.

 

11 hours ago, Chevdove said:

and then they can see other haplo groups and that they do not have that on their genes at all. So it's not only observation but, scientist can see the gene expression in association with the phenotype of Black African people that also have other dominant traits associated with people in Sub-Saharan Africa.

Which Haplo groups does not have these Genes E1B1?

 

11 hours ago, Chevdove said:

So, they know that nappy hair will never be in certain other haplo groups due to mutations that have occurred. And obviously the degree and percentage of melanin a human expresses in their genetics is absolutely connected to this gene expression, even in albino people of African descent. 

What Haplo groups can nappy hair not be in?...

Are you saying that an Albino(Type1A) who has very little Melanin or is unable to synthesize (Pheomelanin or Eumelanin)....is incapable or unable to have Nappy/Coily hair?

 

 

11 hours ago, Chevdove said:

Not when it comes to 'hair that locks'. That genetic trait is firmly attached to a certain degree of melanin and also certain other dominant genetic traits located on a certain gene. For example, a Black or dark sknned Aboriginal Australian versus another dark skinned Australian with an afro will show a distinction in their phenotype in certain ways. If a person has no thick lips, or no thick hips, or no rounded nose, etc. then, they will probably have no nappy hair. 

To my understanding Africans are the Originating ethnic group of the human specie and so they should have all genotypes and have the potentiality to express all phenotype.

"probably" means there maybe exceptions....correct?

 

Doesn't  the picture below contradicts your statement above that I have emboldened ?

https://images.app.goo.gl/UrEunDAdyypzBNZHA

 

11 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

If a person has thick lips, thick hips, rounded nose, they can also have bone straight hair, but not the other way around.

Yes....Because African is the Original Type of human.

Yet....intermixing among humans can lead to mutations and a continuing of Variation in phenotype expression.

The Widest Variation in Genotype and Phenotype is among Africans.

 

11 hours ago, Chevdove said:

With no obvious traits that are predominant of most people of African descent then they will not have nappy hair because this trait is firmly attached to genes with certain predominant traits and a certain degree of melanin that you see in people of the African continent. Australian aboriginals, Boons, with nappy hair have distinct traits that can be seen versus the ones that have bone straight hair.

True....but not in every case as humanity continues to evolve.

[frankster]

14 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

 

 "Define this genetically speaking LOCKS that is exclusive to Black Africans?

Coily means tightly curled as in LOCKS

Kinky Frizzy wooly nappy springy bushy are all basically afro.....3a-4c"

 

 

 No hair that LOCKS does NOT coil. 

Yes, coily does mean curled and can be tightly coiled but that is completely different from hair that locks. 

All those terms you wrote, Kinky, frizzy, 'frizzly', wooly, nappy, bushy, and afro, and more terms too refer to hair that locks NOT curly though.

Coily means tightly curled....4c

 

14 hours ago, Chevdove said:

On 8/11/2024 at 1:07 PM, frankster said:
On 8/11/2024 at 12:37 AM, Chevdove said:
This was my thesis in college. I studied different types of animal and human hair, etc.

Congratulations....I respect the accomplishment

 

Thank you much!

 

On 8/11/2024 at 1:07 PM, frankster said:
On 8/11/2024 at 12:37 AM, Chevdove said:
It is the seal of the living God in the forehead [i.e. top of the head]. 

True...the Halo of Angels and the fully bloomed Crown Chakra

Is this seal of the Living God exclusive to Africans with Afro Hair?

 

Absolutely! I've seen depictions of angels painted with straight hair though, and they also have the halo painted around their heads.

So, this too would be truth, in that 'not all angels have Afros'! 

How does that not contradict your earlier statement:-

Quote

 

On 8/11/2024 at 12:37 AM, Chevdove said:

NAPPY HAIR or WOOLY HAIR genetically speaking is the only kind of hair that LOCKS. 

This was my thesis in college. I studied different types of animal and human hair, etc.

It is the seal of the living God in the forehead [i.e. top of the head]. 

 

 

14 hours ago, Chevdove said:

On 8/11/2024 at 1:07 PM, frankster said:
On 8/11/2024 at 12:37 AM, Chevdove said:
Under a microscope African hair looks extremely unique in how it LOCKS and has angles. It does not coil, it locks. 

 under a microscope....is that still phenotype?

African Hair runs the spectrum from straight to coily....As African hair is the  mother of all types of Human Hair.

 

idk. I guess it would depend. If your are looking at an amoeba or a one cell organism, that wouldn't be defined as a phenotype or genes.

Genes are located on chromosomes and there are several. Chromosomes are located within the nucleus, so a high powered microscope would be used...

I need to 'remember'! LOL, or go pick up my books and review!

I think it would be considered a Trait as a component of a phenotype

 

14 hours ago, Chevdove said:

Melanin 'cells', I think I am saying this correctly-- melanocytes are in skin cells and I had to take a course called 'Histology' to study different types of skin cells in humans and animals. 

 

I vaguely remember looking in microscopes and studying hair strands embedded in skin cells, at the root, or something like that. So, the color of hair, or phenotype, I don't remember.

I think a phenotype is a SET of observable traits of an organism.

 

14 hours ago, Chevdove said:

But when I was trained as an environmental scientist, I had to study different types of human hair and asbestos fibers, and animal fur, etc. and so, I guess that could be defined as phenotype. idk. 

Informally or colloquially hair is often referred to as a phenotype but in actual fact it is a trait.

 

14 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

So then, yes, there is many types of human hair and African hair varies, but 'it's not actually the mother of all types of human hair, but the 'father' of all original MODERN HUMAN HAIR.'

Ok....we actually splitting hairs now

 

14 hours ago, Chevdove said:

The variation of hair type and hair color comes from females. 

Coily or curly hair stems from hybridization and the variation between straight hair and hair that locks would be wavy hair, curly hair [i.e. coily hair] and especially 

COMBINATION HAIR and this is due to polygenetics. 

okay...

This is heredity and genotypes....not exactly what we are discussing but - yes related.

 

14 hours ago, Chevdove said:

Coily hair sort of looks like it wraps around or makes spirals, downward spirals, but hair that locks, looks so distinct under the microscope. 

It looks like it has 'angles' and it does not coil. It's jaggered and it's much thinner than straight or coily hair. 

AND it NAPS, meaning, it forms KNOTS. It does not tangle, but it knots up; it snatches up.

AND what is also EXCLUSIVE to nappy, wooly, hair that locks, is that it's difficult to free up individual hair strands without certain types of oil, and one especially that will free up nappy hair from LOCKING is LANOLIN, oil that comes directly from LAMBS and is why LAMBS have always been associated with

I get that you think nappy hair locks and coily hair tangles....while I think that coily hair and nappy hair is the same - you seem to think curly hair and coily hair is the same.

Give me something other than or more than just your thoughts or something that supports your idea of nappy locking hair as opposed to coily hair?

Bear in mind that the difference between curly and coily is in degrees of tightness of curls

 

14 hours ago, Chevdove said:

African people and the Biblical Hebrew Israelites. 

The ancient Cushites as well as all ancient Kemet are linked to the symbol of the Ram, or lamb for this reason--LAMB'S WOOL and 

LAMB OIL; lanolin-- because of that dominant African trait of having pre-dominantly woolly hair.

True

 

14 hours ago, Chevdove said:

But as you said, African people have varied hair type, nappy hair is just a dominant trait that goes back to the Original humans. 

One of my sons, had nappy hair when he was young, later, he lost all of his naps!!!

I don't know what in the heck happened!

I used to cornrow his hair, so I know!

Yeah i know of those issues..

Here is a recipes to see those naps again...bald your/the  head and only wash it on a regular basis after about a month tell me what you see - don't worry the effect is temporary based on hair growth.

 

 

[frankster]

 

'You don't have to look black to be black': The complex racial identity of a tiny Ohio town

'You don't have to look black to be black': The complex racial identity of a tiny Ohio town

[Troy]

@Pioneer1 show me anything in 23 & Me that applies races to people or  applies percentages of any race to people.

 

@frankster don’t waste time trying to convince pioneer that race have no basis in genetics or science. He only operates on what can see or what he can wrap his brain around. Which is why he is also an antivaxer and can only see women in role defined by white  men.

 

I did not watch the film but you never have to look phonetically Black to be Black in America. Again it odd a social construct.

[frankster]

14 hours ago, Troy said:

 

@frankster don’t waste time trying to convince pioneer that race have no basis in genetics or science.

@Troy it is fun to watch how @Pioneer1 uses chicanery equivocation and ambiguity to make and defend his belief.

 

14 hours ago, Troy said:

He only operates on what can see or what he can wrap his brain around.

true

 

14 hours ago, Troy said:

Which is why he is also an antivaxer

This is where @Pioneer1 and I may agree.....since the 1950 thereabouts vaccines have been repurposed and used for various global agendas disguised as philanthropy.

 

14 hours ago, Troy said:

and can only see women in role defined by white  men.

True....

 

14 hours ago, Troy said:

I did not watch the film but you never have to look phonetically Black to be Black in America. Again it odd a social construct.

Thats cool

As It was mostly targeted toward @Chevdove & @Pioneer1.

[nels]

On 7/23/2024 at 8:03 PM, aka Contrarian said:

if she can defeat that Spawn of Satan

Only a seriously uninformed person could state such a claim. Kamala Harris is the worst of the worst with a proven track record of socialist governance and support. One thing that she and her corrupt handlers are counting on is an ignorant black America that will help them crawl across a another rigged finish line.

On 7/24/2024 at 9:33 PM, ProfD said:

white male running against tRump

What?

On 7/27/2024 at 1:14 PM, Pioneer1 said:

but I don't have too much confidence in her

Sounds more like you don't have confidence in yourself or you've been subjected to intense gaslighting for perhaps your entire adult life. It's quite possible that you're destined to learn the (very or extremely) hard way, stuck on that Democrat plantation that is about to suck you and all of your generations to come bone dry.

On 8/2/2024 at 7:41 AM, frankster said:

because she is half Black and a Woman

That comes across as one of the most illogical and irrational statements that a person could make. Scratch the archaic and irrelevant 1/32nd rule; she is not black and she could care less about black America. But then again, some blacks just can't get the straw out of their heads.

[nels]

On 8/4/2024 at 3:13 PM, Pioneer1 said:

PREDOMINATELY (key word) of Sub-Saharan African descent

It might be interesting if you could cite any truth-driven facts to back that up. Blacks who can't claim being anything other than black are so hung up on race that it blinds them from the reality of just being happy and thankful that they wake up every morning.

On 8/11/2024 at 5:17 AM, ProfD said:

VP Kamala Harris is Black if these are her parents.

Incorrect.

On 8/10/2024 at 10:11 PM, Chevdove said:

looks Black

And that's black America's biggest problem when it comes to defining themselves. Nearly every black American knows what the "black" look is, but many of them spend a lot of time trying to look and be anything but so-called black. Perhaps reflective of unchecked self-hate, some might say.

[frankster]

4 hours ago, nels said:

That comes across as one of the most illogical and irrational statements that a person could make.

Thats an indication of your intellectual capabilities....it did not come across it went over your head

 

4 hours ago, nels said:

Scratch the archaic and irrelevant 1/32nd rule;

Now that it does not suit you

 

4 hours ago, nels said:

she is not black and she could care less about black America.

If not black then  what is she?

And you care more about black America than Kamala?

 

4 hours ago, nels said:

But then again, some blacks just can't get the straw out of their heads.

and you talking about irrational and illogical

[nels]

1 hour ago, frankster said:

Thats an indication of your intellectual capabilities

On the contrary, it's more than obvious that most black Americans have been programmed to be stupid, and your response is no exception.

1 hour ago, frankster said:

Now that it does not suit you

No one has time for circular logic.

1 hour ago, frankster said:

than Kamala

I don't give a s*** about Kamala. Isn't that obvious? The woman is a con, a fake, a nobody, ruined California, everyone including herself knows it, and that's just the beginning.

[nels]

On 8/16/2024 at 3:47 PM, frankster said:

'You don't have to look black to be black'

Why does it seem like only unambiguous black Americans care about race? No one else appears to care.

12 hours ago, frankster said:

antivaxer

Best thing anyone could be.

On 8/16/2024 at 11:36 AM, frankster said:

He was light skinned

What's that got to do with anything?

[Troy]

23 hours ago, frankster said:

This is where @Pioneer1 and I may agree.....since the 1950 thereabouts vaccines have been repurposed and used for various global agendas disguised as philanthropy.

 

LOL!  @frankster have you raised children? Did you give the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine?  Have you traveled did you take the malaria, yellow fever, or tetnaus?

 

11 hours ago, nels said:

23 hours ago, frankster said:

antivaxer

Best thing anyone could be.

 

Wow @Pioneer1, @nels and @frankster have found common ground

 

As far as "race" is concerned our oppressors and their henchmen care, so we have no choice but to care.  So, when you see a sister with a blood wig and blue contacts don;t be so quick to judge. She may be making a fashion choice, but it is in the context of a white racist society.  But keep in mind many so-called white women dye their hair blond and wear colored contacts too.

 

 

[ProfD]

 

26 minutes ago, Troy said:

But keep in mind many so-called white women dye their hair blond and wear colored contacts too.

White women are an integral part of the dominant society. They're *free* to do whatever they choose without being judged one way or another.

[frankster]

12 hours ago, nels said:

On the contrary, it's more than obvious that most black Americans have been programmed to be stupid,

I Am African and American...

Me being stupid is your opinion to which you are entitled

 

12 hours ago, nels said:

and your response is no exception.

Talk sense to a fool and he calls you stupid....Euripides

 

12 hours ago, nels said:

No one has time for circular logic.

I understand You maybe going in circles....trying slowing down.

 

12 hours ago, nels said:

I don't give a s*** about Kamala. Isn't that obvious?

Thats a lie...

Whats obvious is that you have an agenda involving Kamala.

 

12 hours ago, nels said:

 

The woman is a con, a fake, a nobody, ruined California, everyone including herself knows it, and that's just the beginning.

Sounds like most politicians i know of.....nothing new there

 

12 hours ago, nels said:

Why does it seem like only unambiguous black Americans care about race?

Because our lives may depend on it....especially here in America

 

12 hours ago, nels said:

No one else appears to care.

Not true

 

12 hours ago, nels said:

Best thing anyone could be.

I hate being categorize or label....so I do not subscribe to any.

 

12 hours ago, nels said:

What's that got to do with anything?

In America....a lot

[frankster]

1 hour ago, Troy said:

 

LOL!  @frankster have you raised children? Did you give the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine?  Have you traveled did you take the malaria, yellow fever, or tetnaus?

Yes.... both my wife and the school system forced it on them

 

1 hour ago, Troy said:

Wow @Pioneer1, @nels and @frankster have found common ground

True.

If I believe its truth and found enough independent evidence to support it as such....then the source and those who share in it is secondary - Truth is always First

 

1 hour ago, Troy said:

As far as "race" is concerned our oppressors and their henchmen care, so we have no choice but to care.  So, when you see a sister with a blood wig and blue contacts don;t be so quick to judge. She may be making a fashion choice, but it is in the context of a white racist society.  But keep in mind many so-called white women dye their hair blond and wear colored contacts too.

I Take the same Stance as I do with Abortion - I am Against both.

I would never deny  or block access for any one the Right to express themselves the way they desire....be it wearing blond hair or having an abortion

To the contrary I would aid them both.....

I told my daughter with regard to abortion - if your life is not in danger with the fetus/pregnancy being healthy and you are willing to carry that child to term i will raise that child.

 

 

[Troy]

3 minutes ago, frankster said:

Yes.... both my wife and the school system forced it on them

 

You were not forced; you could have home schooled your children.  In any case, I'm glad you complied it was not very long ago where people died from diseases like smallpox, whooping cough and other maladies that have been irradiated thanks to vaccines.

 

13 minutes ago, frankster said:

I told my daughter with regard to abortion - if your life is not in danger with the fetus/pregnancy being healthy and you are willing to carry that child to term i will raise that child.

 

 

Humm... would you also be willing to carry the baby to term and be willing to deal with the baby's daddy for life?  Some things are easier said than done.  

 

Would you make an exception for your daughter if the father was abusive or a rapist?  Would you make an exception if tests showed that the child would be profoundly handicapped?

 

Are you against the "morning after" pills?

 

Are you against contraception?

[frankster]

1 hour ago, Troy said:

 

You were not forced; you could have home schooled your children. 

The thought had cross my mind but i was already working one full time job and a part time job as well as a part student and did not see how it would work with an uncooperative wife....did not learn of the religious exemption till after my third child....so i join the Adventist

 

1 hour ago, Troy said:

In any case, I'm glad you complied it was not very long ago where people died from diseases like smallpox, whooping cough and other maladies that have been irradiated thanks to vaccines.

That is the common belief promoted by officialdom

More true is that basic hygiene, public health greater understanding of nutrition actually played a greater role than vaccine

 

1 hour ago, Troy said:

Humm... would you also be willing to carry the baby to term and be willing to deal with the baby's daddy for life?  Some things are easier said than done.  

Carrying the baby to term was an impossibility then so it was not a consideration...

A man's body is not design to carry and maintain a pregnancy....for that reason i would not.

If i could afford surrogacy or artificial gestation then i would....so long as the possibility of harm to the fetus is little or none from such a process.

It his child so if he wants to retain his Parental Rights....he is welcome to play his part and role.

 

1 hour ago, Troy said:

Would you make an exception for your daughter if the father was abusive or a rapist? 

No....but I would challenged his Parental Rights

 

1 hour ago, Troy said:

Would you make an exception if tests showed that the child would be profoundly handicapped?

Yes

 

1 hour ago, Troy said:

Are you against the "morning after" pills?

Yes

 

1 hour ago, Troy said:

Are you against contraception?

No

[Troy]

1 hour ago, frankster said:

More true is that basic hygiene, public health greater understanding of nutrition actually played a greater role than vaccine

 

Deep.  Do you know how highly contagious diseases like measles is spread?  Washing your hands and balanced diet is not gonna cut it.  before the vaccine 2.5MM people dies from it alone each year.

 

I'm surprised you'd be against the morning after pill. I the implication is that you believe life begins at the instant the sperm fertilizes the egg.  Still women who take that pill may not actually be pregnant. Opposition to that seems extreme to me. 

 

1 hour ago, frankster said:

A man's body is not design to carry and maintain a pregnancy....for that reason i would not.

 

I think you know what I meant, but your response answered my question.  

 

Given what you've written is it fair to assume that you would compel all woman who became pregnant to carry a child to term if you had that power?  If so, why don't you buy into the "woman's right to choose" argument?

[nels]

6 hours ago, Troy said:

it is in the context of a white racist society

Why does everything boil down to race when it comes to black America's assessment of its social condition?

5 hours ago, frankster said:

Whats obvious

The only thing that is obvious is that you are absolutely clueless and wasting time trying to defend the indefensible. When you can back up your emotionally-driven claims and assertions with truth-based facts, then perhaps people might take you more seriously.

[frankster]

1 hour ago, Troy said:

 

Deep.  Do you know how highly contagious diseases like measles is spread? 

Yes by physical contact and contact with human airborne lung nasal or throat infected droplets....

 

1 hour ago, Troy said:

Washing your hands and balanced diet is not gonna cut it. 

Personal hygiene and Public Sanitation is probable more effective than vaccine and definitely safer.

 

1 hour ago, Troy said:

before the vaccine 2.5MM people dies from it alone each year.

True.... that is the official story.

I am not saying vaccines do not help....I am saying that unscrupulous groups with malice and greed is now using vaccine to fulfill racist globalist agenda.

While vaccines reduces some diseases it may lead to increase Cancer Autism SIDS Infertility and ADHD

 

1 hour ago, Troy said:

I'm surprised you'd be against the morning after pill.

ok

 

1 hour ago, Troy said:

I the implication is that you believe life begins at the instant the sperm fertilizes the egg. 

Human Life begins at Conception....hence the reason i am against the morning after pill 

 

1 hour ago, Troy said:

Still women who take that pill may not actually be pregnant. Opposition to that seems extreme to me. 

True....but its purpose and capability is to terminate any potential or real pregnancy.

 

1 hour ago, Troy said:

I think you know what I meant, but your response answered my question.  

 

Given what you've written is it fair to assume that you would compel all woman who became pregnant to carry a child to term if you had that power?  If so, why don't you buy into the "woman's right to choose" argument?

I would never compel......but offer an alternative - preserving her right to choose   

[frankster]

59 minutes ago, nels said:

The only thing that is obvious is that you are absolutely clueless and wasting time trying to defend the indefensible.

No thats not the only obvious thing....it is obvious to me that you are a  Partisan Republican Apparatchik with usually agenda.

Your Agenda is pure unadulterated propaganda misinformation disinformation and outright lies...nothing about you is real or sincere.

 

59 minutes ago, nels said:

When you can back up your emotionally-driven claims and assertions with truth-based facts, then perhaps people might take you more seriously.

Relying on the opinions of others is a weak argument.

[nels]

56 minutes ago, frankster said:

pure unadulterated propaganda misinformation disinformation and outright lies

Your response was very predictable, indeed. Sadly, you come across as a very uninformed person, to say the least. I didn't come here to convince or persuade you of anything. One thing the left does quite well is to keep people like you from paying attention. Anything the left doesn't agree with, it lashes out in a hostile manner to dispense with that with which it disagrees.

 

In business and on a very frequent basis, I dealt with many average black Americans to help them get ahead in life financially, technically, and otherwise. Unfortunately, most of them had absolutely no clue as to why they even existed. They were the type of people that one can easily describe through the following analogy.

 

-- First you tell them that there’s an extinction-level asteroid approaching the Earth at record speed and in response, they yawn.

-- Next, you tell them the asteroid is quickly approaching Jupiter’s orbit. In response, they turn on and watch a football game.

-- After that, you tell them the asteroid is now approaching Mars’ orbit. In response, they switch the channel and turn on a basketball game.

-- Then, you tell them the asteroid is now approaching our moon’s orbit. How do they react? They switch the channel again and turn on The Masked Singer.

-- Finally, you tell them that the asteroid has passed Earth’s orbit and impact is imminent. What do they do then? They grab a 40 oz. malt liquor, head to bed and call it a night.

 

You remind me of one of these people.  

[Chevdove]

On 8/16/2024 at 2:36 PM, frankster said:

So our Female origins are different.....explain?

 

  I always reference the most recent international report about all modern humans originating from one male individual out of Africa and also how this confirms the Bible too, in that all humans [i.e. modern mankind] stem from Adam. This is genetically confirmed based on the other reference that goes along with the Stanford University report about all male Haplo Groups. But female genetics do not stem from one female individual mtDNA. Some female mtDNA goes back much farther than anatomically straight male haplo groups. 

 

On 8/16/2024 at 2:36 PM, frankster said:

am Confident you can find out which gene it is?

On 8/16/2024 at 2:36 PM, frankster said:

If Nappy tightly curled hair (4c) and Coily hair is not the same please show them both and the "Locking" that differentiates them.

On 8/16/2024 at 2:36 PM, frankster said:

Cool....E1B1 is responsible for the phenotype nappy hair.

On 8/16/2024 at 2:36 PM, frankster said:

hich Haplo groups does not have these Genes E1B1?

On 8/16/2024 at 2:36 PM, frankster said:

What Haplo groups can nappy hair not be in?...

Are you saying that an Albino(Type1A) who has very little Melanin or is unable to synthesize (Pheomelanin or Eumelanin)....is incapable or unable to have Nappy/Coily hair?

 

I guess if were to dig, maybe I could find the specific gene(s) that code for nappy hair, but I think that someone who could study genetics on a master's degree level or Phd level would have the opportunity to learn this firsthand. 

 

As far as finding the prepared slides I had to study as an Environmental Scientist or in my college Histology class, I suppose I could do research on the internet and maybe come across them in some medical book or something. 

 

BUT no, the E1b1 haplo group is not the origin for nappy hair. 

To be more specific and to clarify:

 

The very first Haplo Group 'A' would be the origin of nappy hair, 'hair that locks'. The E1b1 Haplo Groups is said that correlates to many males in Sub Saharan Africa. So to answer your question of what groups does not have nappy hair gene, I will try to reply with an explanation of how scientist based their findings; 

 

As I said earlier, the humans that were born that do not express 'hair that locks' is due to a MUTATION.

One term to define MUTATIONS as a result of reproduction would be the term SNAP which has to do with polynucleotides of which generally means that a new polynucleotide forms as a result of reproduction. Scientist studied these changes on a genetic level and can determine males that migrated away from Africa that have the same genetic structure and this is the basis for haplo groups. If the mutation is due to this type of mutation, then they define new SUB-CLADES. 

 

There are only a few early Haplo groups that branched off the A Haplo group: BT, C, D, E, and F and these ancient Haplo groups are determined on a genetic level. From these early Haplo groups, scientist can see that through reproduction, other gene reproductions occurred and therefore, they are called Clades and Subclades and all modern males have these genetic structures. Therefore, scientist know that certain subclades have genes that will code for certain hairtype. 

 

************* All male basal A genetic mark codes for this 'African hair' of hair that locks. *********** 

But later Subclades show in their genes a certain SNAP MUTATION and this means that they will not code for it. 

****** All male Haplo Groups show this BASAL A genetic marker which shows that all modern males stem from this one individual in ancient times. ***** 

So, not only to the E1b1 Haplo groups show this marking, but the C, D, and F Haplo groups show this same BASAL A gene material. The E1b1 groups do not show a mutation that cause this trait to stop and therefore, this group would be the type of males that have dominant traits that go back to the original male. But other males that show a significant mutation also show that many of these groups migrated out of Africa in great numbers and reproduced in different ways and therefore, the mutation occurred and that gene that codes for nappy hair is absolutely gone! And it won't come back at all, unless they reproduce with a Negro woman with nappy hair for a couple of generations. 

That is the best way that I can explain it. I don't have a higher degree, so I don't know the exact sceintific terminology for all that there probably is to explain it better. 

 

[frankster]

43 minutes ago, nels said:

Your response was very predictable, indeed. Sadly, you come across as a very uninformed person, to say the least. I didn't come here to convince or persuade you of anything. One thing the left does quite well is to keep people like you from paying attention. Anything the left doesn't agree with, it lashes out in a hostile manner to dispense with that with which it disagrees.

You approach me with hostilities....so if anybody is hostile its you.

One thing the Political Right is good at is.....Projecting their flaws and alterity on others.

 

43 minutes ago, nels said:

 

In business and on a very frequent basis, I dealt with many average black Americans to help them get ahead in life financially, technically, and otherwise. Unfortunately, most of them had absolutely no clue as to why they even existed. They were the type of people that one can easily describe through the following analogy.

 

-- First you tell them that there’s an extinction-level asteroid approaching the Earth at record speed and in response, they yawn.

-- Next, you tell them the asteroid is quickly approaching Jupiter’s orbit. In response, they turn on and watch a football game.

-- After that, you tell them the asteroid is now approaching Mars’ orbit. In response, they switch the channel and turn on a basketball game.

-- Then, you tell them the asteroid is now approaching our moon’s orbit. How do they react? They switch the channel again and turn on The Masked Singer.

-- Finally, you tell them that the asteroid has passed Earth’s orbit and impact is imminent. What do they do then? They grab a 40 oz. malt liquor, head to bed and call it a night.

 

You remind me of one of these people.  

I understand why they react to you that way.....they can see right off that you are full of it and mean them no good.

I only react like that to people I know is a liar or one who is peddling misinformation

[Chevdove]

The Albino you say 1A, I'm not sure where you get that from, but as you mentioned, in general, about the Eumelanin and the Pheomelanin;

Albinism is different and means the cells do not produce melanocytes. But many people with albinism can produce some form of melanin. 

But that is not what is occurring when it comes to albinism because many people with albinism have very nappy hair. So this means that the gene that codes for nappy hair is based on their Haplo group and the specific gene that codes for other dominant traits that are connected to other traits. 

[Chevdove]

On 8/16/2024 at 2:36 PM, frankster said:

To my understanding Africans are the Originating ethnic group of the human specie and so they should have all genotypes and have the potentiality to express all phenotype.

"probably" means there maybe exceptions....correct?

 

Doesn't  the picture below contradicts your statement above that I have emboldened ?

https://images.app.goo.gl/UrEunDAdyypzBNZHA

 

On 8/16/2024 at 2:36 PM, frankster said:

 

On 8/15/2024 at 11:39 PM, Chevdove said:

 

If a person has thick lips, thick hips, rounded nose, they can also have bone straight hair, but not the other way around.

Yes....Because African is the Original Type of human.

Yet....intermixing among humans can lead to mutations and a continuing of Variation in phenotype expression.

The Widest Variation in Genotype and Phenotype is among Africans.

 

Hi again @frankster!

 

No. Africans are NOT the originating group of all human species and this is based on mostly all science reports on an international level.

Africans are the originating human species for MODERN MANKIND but absolutely NOT primitive humans. 

So Africans do NOT express all genes from their origins. 

so then, in regards to Phenotype, African people may express poly genetics. 

The highlighted picture you posted shows a girl with a rounded nose and it is impossible to determine that her hair will Nap. 

As i stated before, between nappy hair and straight hair is a variation of the two origins and this is due to two different human species that interbred a long time ago. 

The only way to tell if that female hair has the genetic expression of napping 'locking' is to wet it or after a couple of months, if she relaxed it with chemicals, her new growth will show that it naps.

The ancient CELTS, were so obsessed with straight hair that they did practice putting chemicals in their hair to straighten it. The Bible also records that at some point the Hebrews did the same thing. The prophets wrote in the Bible, and in one passage, it says 'uncover your locks, and pass over the river'... 

In ancient times it was called a process of putting LIME in the hair. So, I've seen some Europeans put vinegar in their hair and it will look like the hair of the woman in your photo. So it's hard for me to know. 

 

 

[Chevdove]

 

On 8/16/2024 at 3:44 PM, frankster said:

think a phenotype is a SET of observable traits of an organism.

 

I  agree.

 

On 8/16/2024 at 3:44 PM, frankster said:

Ok....we actually splitting hairs now

 

 

LOL

 

On 8/16/2024 at 3:44 PM, frankster said:

get that you think nappy hair locks and coily hair tangles....while I think that coily hair and nappy hair is the same - you seem to think curly hair and coily hair is the same.

Give me something other than or more than just your thoughts or something that supports your idea of nappy locking hair as opposed to coily hair?

Bear in mind that the difference between curly and coily is in degrees of tightness of curls

 

I don't really have anything to say about curly or coily hair, I only concentrate on nappy hair; meaning hair that locks.

As I have said, I was trained as an Environmental scientist to know the difference between straight hair, wavy, and curly hair and hair that locks.

 

Hair that locks is distinct. It is thinner than curly hair and straight hair and it has angles. curly hair does NOT have angles and does not knot up.

 

This is not 'just my thoughts'. I was trained on it. I did my college thesis on it. 

 

Hair that locks is totally different from hair that curls.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Chevdove]

On 8/17/2024 at 12:41 PM, frankster said:

On 8/16/2024 at 8:34 PM, Troy said:

I did not watch the film but you never have to look phonetically Black to be Black in America. Again it odd a social construct.

Thats cool

As It was mostly targeted toward @Chevdove & @Pioneer1.

 

I watched the film you posted for me to watch and that woman was very upset with her daughter who chose to identify as being White. 

As @Troy said, "in America" you never have to look phonetically Black to be Black in America. That woman has the right to choose, but that is NOT true for many African Americans though. Some have the opportunity to choose.

But, IMO, it's obvious that woman has traits that show that she has 'Black' traits! 

It's also obvious that she has a lot of albinism too and you can see that she squints, showing that she may have albinism in her eyes.

She absolutely expresses traits that is seen in Africa whereby many African albinos have very similar traits!

That woman is precious. 

But I do understand how hard it is for her daughter because, unlike the woman, however, her daughter shows that she has more European or 'White' traits. 

Unfortunately, here in America, Color has morphed into being defined as 'Race' and so, yes, I too believe that it is a social construct.

This though became a social construct in modern times, but it happened in ancient times too. 

I call today's version 'a social reconstruction'. 

The Biblical Esther was afraid to reveal to her husband that she was 'a Jew' because at that time, Jews were not thought to be like she had been. 

The superficial idea that a person's skin color defined them as being a particular culture or 'kindred' was distorted a long time ago. 

 

 

[Chevdove]

On 8/16/2024 at 2:36 PM, frankster said:

True....but not in every case as humanity continues to evolve.

 

Evolution is a theory.

It has not proven anything yet.

Mutation is completely proven every time reproduction occurs.

Therefore, nappy hair will never be separated from being paired with it original gene structure under the sun, so says the Bible.

Nappy hair is exclusive. It is the seal of the living God in the top of the head. 

 

[nels]

2 hours ago, frankster said:

.they can see right off that you are full of it and mean them no good

From what can be perhaps loosely determined, the exceptionally massive amount of persistent heavy left-wing gaslighting that you've been exposed to, subjected to and undergone is either kind of or somewhat akin to Russia's merciless pounding of the Ukraine. Regardless of how you perceive yourself, you're out of your league here. No one here or anyone else out there in your social media playland is focused on being your friend. Today's world is a of cobras, pit bulls, great whites and the like, so if you're looking for safe passage, your feelings are swimming by themselves.

[frankster]

14 hours ago, Chevdove said:

The Albino you say 1A, I'm not sure where you get that from, but as you mentioned, in general, about the Eumelanin and the Pheomelanin;

Albinism is different and means the cells do not produce melanocytes. But many people with albinism can produce some form of melanin. 

Thats what I said in different words..

 

14 hours ago, Chevdove said:

But that is not what is occurring when it comes to albinism because many people with albinism have very nappy hair. So this means that the gene that codes for nappy hair is based on their Haplo group and the specific gene that codes for other dominant traits that are connected to other traits. 

Okay so far it seems we saying the same thing.

 

13 hours ago, Chevdove said:

Hi again @frankster!

 

No. Africans are NOT the originating group of all human species and this is based on mostly all science reports on an international level.

Africans are the originating human species for MODERN MANKIND but absolutely NOT primitive humans. 

So Africans do NOT express all genes from their origins. 

Yes i was referring to homo sapiens sapiens

Homo Sapien Sapiens are African and so all Humans today are African..

Which Human specie did not originate in Africa?

 

13 hours ago, Chevdove said:

so then, in regards to Phenotype, African people may express poly genetics. 

The highlighted picture you posted shows a girl with a rounded nose and it is impossible to determine that her hair will Nap. 

Her Hair is Curly which is One step remove from coily....

both her curly hair and rounded nose is proof of her African Roots..

 

13 hours ago, Chevdove said:

As i stated before, between nappy hair and straight hair is a variation of the two origins and this is due to two different human species that interbred a long time ago. 

Where did this striaght haired non african human originate ?

 

13 hours ago, Chevdove said:

The only way to tell if that female hair has the genetic expression of napping 'locking' is to wet it or after a couple of months, if she relaxed it with chemicals, her new growth will show that it naps.

True

 

13 hours ago, Chevdove said:

The ancient CELTS, were so obsessed with straight hair that they did practice putting chemicals in their hair to straighten it. The Bible also records that at some point the Hebrews did the same thing. The prophets wrote in the Bible, and in one passage, it says 'uncover your locks, and pass over the river'... 

In ancient times it was called a process of putting LIME in the hair. So, I've seen some Europeans put vinegar in their hair and it will look like the hair of the woman in your photo. So it's hard for me to know. 

So these people you mentioned above had natural nappy hair?

 

13 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

 

I  agree.

 

 

LOL

 

 

I don't really have anything to say about curly or coily hair, I only concentrate on nappy hair; meaning hair that locks.

As I have said, I was trained as an Environmental scientist to know the difference between straight hair, wavy, and curly hair and hair that locks.

 

Hair that locks is distinct. It is thinner than curly hair and straight hair and it has angles. curly hair does NOT have angles and does not knot up.

 

This is not 'just my thoughts'. I was trained on it. I did my college thesis on it. 

 

Hair that locks is totally different from hair that curls.

Thats what I know as coily hair....Magnetic Hair meaning you can use it to pick up other bunches of coily hair

4c hair resembles velcro hence it sticks together... it coils

Please search image of coil and velcro

 

13 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

I watched the film you posted for me to watch and that woman was very upset with her daughter who chose to identify as being White. 

Go to time stamp 2:38 - 2:40 look at the bespectacled boy.

Put in the word "Jewfro" in your search engine and go to images

or you can go to the following pages and take and indepth look and the many so called europeans with afros

Scroll down and where ever you see "continue reading" on a picture click on the arrow and scroll

https://www.quora.com/How-does-a-white-person-grow-an-afro

https://www.quora.com/Do-you-have-white-guys-with-afros

Many of them have typical European features  and curly hair

 

13 hours ago, Chevdove said:

As @Troy said, "in America" you never have to look phonetically Black to be Black in America. That woman has the right to choose, but that is NOT true for many African Americans though. Some have the opportunity to choose.

But, IMO, it's obvious that woman has traits that show that she has 'Black' traits! 

It's also obvious that she has a lot of albinism too and you can see that she squints, showing that she may have albinism in her eyes.

True...the main character is an Albino or is on the spectrum

More important is that in her community you will find individuals with what is typical called european features and afros

 

13 hours ago, Chevdove said:

She absolutely expresses traits that is seen in Africa whereby many African albinos have very similar traits!

That woman is precious. 

But I do understand how hard it is for her daughter because, unlike the woman, however, her daughter shows that she has more European or 'White' traits. 

Unfortunately, here in America, Color has morphed into being defined as 'Race' and so, yes, I too believe that it is a social construct.

This though became a social construct in modern times, but it happened in ancient times too. 

I call today's version 'a social reconstruction'. 

The Biblical Esther was afraid to reveal to her husband that she was 'a Jew' because at that time, Jews were not thought to be like she had been. 

The superficial idea that a person's skin color defined them as being a particular culture or 'kindred' was distorted a long time ago. 

I think Esther being of a different Ethnicity and or religion was the issue not race .....same as with Moses and his wife

 

20 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

Evolution is a theory.

It has not proven anything yet.

Yes....and a Fact

The Longest-Running Evolution Experiment

I would consider the above.....proof

 

 

20 hours ago, Chevdove said:

Mutation is completely proven every time reproduction occurs.

Mutation is the steps evolution is the journey

20 hours ago, Chevdove said:

Therefore, nappy hair will never be separated from being paired with it original gene structure under the sun, so says the Bible.

Biology and ethnic intermixing seems to refute that claim

 

20 hours ago, Chevdove said:

Nappy hair is exclusive. It is the seal of the living God in the top of the head. 

Yeah you will have to explain that to me further....what exactly mean by "seal of the living God"

 

[Chevdove]

On 8/19/2024 at 8:19 PM, frankster said:

Yes i was referring to homo sapiens sapiens

Homo Sapien Sapiens are African and so all Humans today are African..

Which Human specie did not originate in Africa?

 

 

Hi @frankster! 

 

You pose question of which human species did not originate in Africa? And you made a statement that all humans are African.

My response is that all MODERN humans today came out of Africa. All modern humans originated from one male individual out of Africa, however, not primitive humans.

I do not know where Primitive humans originated from.

But modern humans did inter breed with primitive humans and so, some genes that modern humans express do come from this interbreeding.

 

On 8/19/2024 at 8:19 PM, frankster said:

Her Hair is Curly which is One step remove from coily....

both her curly hair and rounded nose is proof of her African Roots..

 

On 8/19/2024 at 8:19 PM, frankster said:

Where did this striaght haired non african human originate ?

 

 

On 8/19/2024 at 8:19 PM, frankster said:

On 8/18/2024 at 9:38 PM, Chevdove said:

The ancient CELTS, were so obsessed with straight hair that they did practice putting chemicals in their hair to straighten it. The Bible also records that at some point the Hebrews did the same thing. The prophets wrote in the Bible, and in one passage, it says 'uncover your locks, and pass over the river'... 

In ancient times it was called a process of putting LIME in the hair. So, I've seen some Europeans put vinegar in their hair and it will look like the hair of the woman in your photo. So it's hard for me to know. 

So these people you mentioned above had natural nappy hair?

 

 

On 8/19/2024 at 8:19 PM, frankster said:

Thats what I know as coily hair....Magnetic Hair meaning you can use it to pick up other bunches of coily hair

4c hair resembles velcro hence it sticks together... it coils

Please search image of coil and velcro

 

On 8/19/2024 at 8:19 PM, frankster said:

Go to time stamp 2:38 - 2:40 look at the bespectacled boy.

Put in the word "Jewfro" in your search engine and go to images

or you can go to the following pages and take and indepth look and the many so called europeans with afros

Scroll down and where ever you see "continue reading" on a picture click on the arrow and scroll

https://www.quora.com/How-does-a-white-person-grow-an-afro

https://www.quora.com/Do-you-have-white-guys-with-afros

Many of them have typical European features  and curly hair

 

On 8/19/2024 at 8:19 PM, frankster said:

True...the main character is an Albino or is on the spectrum

More important is that in her community you will find individuals with what is typical called european features and afros

 

Feel free to repost pictures of Europeans that you believe have African traits, however, there is no such phenomenon today or ever whereby you will see a European with nappy hair. It simply does not exist. But again feel free to post your pics for us African people to witness for ourselves. The male you speak of, I did see him, but no, his hair is not nappy. I see Europeans all of the time with altered hair, but not nappy. The fact that he look like he had red hair is very specific though, like Prince Harry. It is common to see some red haired Europeans with thick textured hair. 

You continue to use the word 'coily' however, it has nothing to do with hair that naps. 

Coily hair is different from hair that naps or locks. 

 

I agree though that curly hair and a rounded nose is definitely proof of African roots. 

velcro versus coily hair 'sticking' together would not be scientific terminology.

All hair type can tangle or stick together in certain ways. But nappy hair is the only hair that locks. 

Some of my relatives have what the red headed male in your film has too, but the hair does not lock. 

It is curly, but does not lock. 

 

Yes, the original Celts definitely had nappy hair. 

 

 

 

[Chevdove]

 

Where did straight haired non African humans originate?

 

My response would be to reference the Smithsonian Museum which is science based.

Absolutely none of the Primitive Hominids in that museum had nappy hair.

Absolutely none of the Primitive Hominids in that museum had curly hair.

All of the Primitive Hominids in that museum had bone straight hair.

All of the Primitive Hominids, even the very dark skinned ones had bone straight hair.

As to where they originated from, I do not know. But they are not Modern Humans.

As to where straight hair originates from, I do not know.

Scientist say that modern humans do not express hair type from primitive humans.

But it does seem to me that the varied hair textured is due to polygenetics and that is what scientist say.

 

On 8/19/2024 at 8:19 PM, frankster said:

I think Esther being of a different Ethnicity and or religion was the issue not race .....same as with Moses and his wife

 

The term 'race' is so arbitrary, however, Esther was chosen due to the Persian king of kings who replaced his earlier queen and so, Esther was indeed chosen based on her 'physical traits' that is why Xerxes did not know that she was a Jew. The depiction of Moses and the Original Hebrews reveals that most of them were dark skinned. So therefore, when his sister Miriam protested against Moses' wife, the Creator judged her for her issues with Colorism. Therefore, the Original Hebrews were dark skinned and had woolly hair. Persian people during Esther time were absolutely not African. Xerxes was not an African man, however, he was a Mede. Just as Europeans today are not defined as African. However, we know that Europeans, Persians, etc. have origins that go right back to Africa. 

 

On 8/19/2024 at 8:19 PM, frankster said:

The Longest-Running Evolution Experiment

I would consider the above.....proof

 

On 8/19/2024 at 8:19 PM, frankster said:

On 8/18/2024 at 10:37 PM, Chevdove said:

Therefore, nappy hair will never be separated from being paired with it original gene structure under the sun, so says the Bible.

Biology and ethnic intermixing seems to refute that claim

 

I watched the film, but I don't know what I am suppose to get out of it. It was about a man from Michigan State who did an experiment that last for a few decades on bacteria. He used phrases about who the bacteria multiplied and at one point expressed some type of adaptation from the earlier bacterium. He mentioned Darwin's theory. He also mentioned how he observed some mutations. 

 

This has nothing to do with the evolution that Darwin has theorized about mankind. 

When it comes to evolution, nothing has been proven. 

A mutation can be observed but evolution is only a theory and should the theory be proven, then it becomes a fact.

Modern Human origins are not 'an evolution', but has its origins that have been proven. 

 

The White Supremacist will always be in a rage about Modern Human origins coming from an African malefactor with nappy hair. 

They will always try to re-define modern humans as having original traits that manifest White skin and straight hair, but that will never happen.

That is their rage. 

If that doesn't work, then they will try to make a claim that all human traits stem from African people so as to equate African people with a negative origin.

Don't be deceived @frankster. 

 

Again, I earned a degree in Biology and I did a thesis on African hair and have been trained as an Environmental Scientist. I have had to study hair and fibers and animal hair.

The class I took in which I did that thesis is called Comparative Anatomy. 

As an Environmental Scientist, I would have to go out and take bulk samples. Then I would take these samples back to the lab and have to prepare slides and then study them under a microscope. 

 

All humans today are Modern Humans, but we do express genes that come from interbreeding with primitive hominids. 

Only because of the male DNA are modern humans classified as being Modern Humans. 

 

Ethnic intermixing still does not mean anything when it comes to a Persian of whom would have dominant traits that would identify them from Africans.

No matter what, people of African descent do NOT look like a person from China.

No matter what, people from India have a unique set of characteristic physical traits that would make them distinct from Nigerian people.

So, although African people can express traits that reveal if they are somewhat intermixed with a Chinese person, these traits are identifiable.

When it comes to nappy hair, that trait is a dominant trait of African people.

This trait will never be separated from dominant African traits. 

You will never see a European with nappy hair but go ahead and post your pictures, if you believe the Bible is wrong.

Some of my relatives have, what some would call, 'a soft afro' of which means that when it is wet, the hair reveals that it does not nap. It curls, but it does not nap up. 

The seal of the living God in the forehead is scripture that refers to 'the woolly hair'. 

 

The Native Americans had a custom known as 'the Comb Test' for this very reason. Even though a person may appear to have a nappy afro, they would be brought in front of the alter in church and a comb was ran through their hair. If they had naps, then they would not be allowed to be a member of that church. 

 

[Chevdove]

 

The Seal of the Living God in the Forehead

 

So, 'the seal' as in the verse 'the seal of the living God in the forehead' means that it is like 'a stamp'. 

The ancient Persian kings had a ring and would stamp letters with his ring that proved it came from that ring. 

It was 'a seal'. So, 'a seal' in this context would be 'a genetic marker'. 

The genetic expression of having nappy hair is on a gene(s) that are connected to a dominant African trait such as 

Eumelanin along with other dominant 'African traits' such as thick lips, thick hips, etc. When humans practice sex 

selection to breed with people that do not express these traits from generation to generation, then mutations will occur and the nappy hair gene expression will also be absent. Nappy hair, is a seal, and cannot be expressed without some other dominant 'African trait'. Genes travel in pairs and therefore, this gene of nappy hair is firmly attached to genes that also express other dominant African traits. 

You will see Europeans with all kinds of African traits, but not nappy hair. 

Most Europeans have curly hair or wavy hair, but not nappy hair. 

Mostly all human traits go back to Africa but due to hybridization, some traits are not from Modern mankind. 

Eumelanin is linked to the Original male individual out of Africa and so is the trait of nappy hair. 

Prior to modern mankind, Eumelanin did not exist in the primitive humans. They express very dark skin but not 'black skin' which is Eumelanin.

And they also did not express nappy hair. You will not see any nappy headed primitive cave drawings!!!

Curly hair, whether loose or tightly curled hair is a variation between nappy hair and straight hair. 

Scientist wonder if the CroMagnon had curly hair, but for now, they cannot prove that... and they won't prove it. 

Curly hair did not occur until AFTER the Modern mankind existed and interbred with primitive humans.

Without nappy hair, curly did not occur. Curly hair is a result of an admixture of nappy hair and some type of straight or wavy hair, etc. 

 

 

[Chevdove]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ProfD]

VP Kamala Harris as Democratic nominee for POTUS did an excellent job in her DNC acceptance speech. She handled the business.

[frankster]

13 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

 

Hi @frankster! 

 

You pose question of which human species did not originate in Africa? And you made a statement that all humans are African.

My response is that all MODERN humans today came out of Africa. All modern humans originated from one male individual out of Africa, however, not primitive humans.

I do not know where Primitive humans originated from.

But modern humans did inter breed with primitive humans and so, some genes that modern humans express do come from this interbreeding.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Feel free to repost pictures of Europeans that you believe have African traits, however, there is no such phenomenon today or ever whereby you will see a European with nappy hair. It simply does not exist. But again feel free to post your pics for us African people to witness for ourselves.

I said curly  hair which is one step from coily hair

 

 

13 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

 

 

The male you speak of, I did see him, but no, his hair is not nappy. I see Europeans all of the time with altered hair, but not nappy. The fact that he look like he had red hair is very specific though, like Prince Harry. It is common to see some red haired Europeans with thick textured hair. 

You continue to use the word 'coily' however, it has nothing to do with hair that naps. 

Coily hair is different from hair that naps or locks. 

Okay show nappy hair with the angles you speak of..

 

13 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

I agree though that curly hair and a rounded nose is definitely proof of African roots. 

cool

 

13 hours ago, Chevdove said:

velcro versus coily hair 'sticking' together would not be scientific terminology.

All hair type can tangle or stick together in certain ways. But nappy hair is the only hair that locks. 

Some of my relatives have what the red headed male in your film has too, but the hair does not lock. 

It is curly, but does not lock. 

 

Yes, the original Celts definitely had nappy hair. 

Did the C

 

12 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

Where did straight haired non African humans originate?

 

My response would be to reference the Smithsonian Museum which is science based.

Absolutely none of the Primitive Hominids in that museum had nappy hair.

Absolutely none of the Primitive Hominids in that museum had curly hair.

All of the Primitive Hominids in that museum had bone straight hair.

All of the Primitive Hominids, even the very dark skinned ones had bone straight hair.

As to where they originated from, I do not know. But they are not Modern Humans.

As to where straight hair originates from, I do not know.

Scientist say that modern humans do not express hair type from primitive humans.

But it does seem to me that the varied hair textured is due to polygenetics and that is what scientist say.

 

 

The term 'race' is so arbitrary, however, Esther was chosen due to the Persian king of kings who replaced his earlier queen and so, Esther was indeed chosen based on her 'physical traits' that is why Xerxes did not know that she was a Jew. The depiction of Moses and the Original Hebrews reveals that most of them were dark skinned. So therefore, when his sister Miriam protested against Moses' wife, the Creator judged her for her issues with Colorism. Therefore, the Original Hebrews were dark skinned

The Bible mentions Miriam Cushitic roots which to me implies the problem was with her Ethnicity.....

 

12 hours ago, Chevdove said:

and had woolly hair. Persian people during Esther time were absolutely not African. Xerxes was not an African man, however, he was a Mede. Just as Europeans today are not defined as African. However, we know that Europeans, Persians, etc. have origins that go right back to Africa. 

cool

 

12 hours ago, Chevdove said:

I watched the film, but I don't know what I am suppose to get out of it. It was about a man from Michigan State who did an experiment that last for a few decades on bacteria. He used phrases about who the bacteria multiplied and at one point expressed some type of adaptation from the earlier bacterium. He mentioned Darwin's theory. He also mentioned how he observed some mutations. 

Go to the 10 minute mark and continue to the 12 minute mark...

 

12 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

 

This has nothing to do with the evolution that Darwin has theorized about mankind. 

When it comes to evolution, nothing has been proven. 

A mutation can be observed but evolution is only a theory and should the theory be proven, then it becomes a fact.

Modern Human origins are not 'an evolution', but has its origins that have been proven. 

That is how the scientific method is done.....one hypothesizes a theory and then set up an experiment to prove it.

The mutations that are passed on that results in adaptation has proven One of the processes of Evolution.... first .40 seconds of the video

 

 

12 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

The White Supremacist will always be in a rage about Modern Human origins coming from an African malefactor with nappy hair. 

They will always try to re-define modern humans as having original traits that manifest White skin and straight hair, but that will never happen.

That is their rage. 

If that doesn't work, then they will try to make a claim that all human traits stem from African people so as to equate African people with a negative origin.

Don't be deceived @frankster. 

I will still hold to the fact that all homo sapiens sapiens are originally from Africa

 

12 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

Again, I earned a degree in Biology and I did a thesis on African hair and have been trained as an Environmental Scientist. I have had to study hair and fibers and animal hair.

The class I took in which I did that thesis is called Comparative Anatomy. 

As an Environmental Scientist, I would have to go out and take bulk samples. Then I would take these samples back to the lab and have to prepare slides and then study them under a microscope. 

cool

 

12 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

All humans today are Modern Humans, but we do express genes that come from interbreeding with primitive hominids. 

Only because of the male DNA are modern humans classified as being Modern Humans. 

cool

 

12 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

Ethnic intermixing still does not mean anything when it comes to a Persian of whom would have dominant traits that would identify them from Africans.

No matter what, people of African descent do NOT look like a person from China.

But these Chinese people are of African descent???

 

12 hours ago, Chevdove said:

No matter what, people from India have a unique set of characteristic physical traits that would make them distinct from Nigerian people.

So, although African people can express traits that reveal if they are somewhat intermixed with a Chinese person, these traits are identifiable.

Yes a unique set of traits....emphasis on set of.

 

12 hours ago, Chevdove said:

When it comes to nappy hair, that trait is a dominant trait of African people.

This trait will never be separated from dominant African traits. 

That trait has been demonstrated by the pictures above...

We are now arguing Nappy vs Curly vs Coily....

Coily and nappy are the same......for me coily and curly are the same but not identical..

You must now show me the difference between coily and nappy that you say locks

By demonstrating this locking mechanism is different from the velcro like locking system of coily hair that you call tangling.

 

12 hours ago, Chevdove said:

You will never see a European with nappy hair but go ahead and post your pictures,

I did

 

12 hours ago, Chevdove said:

if you believe the Bible is wrong.

The Bible is not Wrong......Only your interpretation of the bible is Wrong

 

12 hours ago, Chevdove said:

Some of my relatives have, what some would call, 'a soft afro' of which means that when it is wet, the hair reveals that it does not nap. It curls, but it does not nap up. 

The seal of the living God in the forehead is scripture that refers to 'the woolly hair'. 

Which Scripture are you using to support this assertion?

 

12 hours ago, Chevdove said:

The Native Americans had a custom known as 'the Comb Test' for this very reason. Even though a person may appear to have a nappy afro, they would be brought in front of the alter in church and a comb was ran through their hair. If they had naps, then they would not be allowed to be a member of that church. 

 

Celts have white skin and thin lips and straight noses???

 

[Pioneer1]

Yall DO know that that painter Bob Ross....had his hair permed to look kinky right?

This is him years ago...with STRAIGHT hair in it's natural form.

 

[Chevdove]

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Yall DO know that that painter Bob Ross....had his hair permed to look kinky right?

This is him years ago...with STRAIGHT hair in it's natural form.

 

LOL I was going to share this information, but thank you @Pioneer1.

 

On 8/23/2024 at 10:48 AM, frankster said:

said curly  hair which is one step from coily hair

 

On 8/23/2024 at 10:48 AM, frankster said:

Okay show nappy hair with the angles you speak of..

 

On 8/23/2024 at 10:48 AM, frankster said:

The Bible mentions Miriam Cushitic roots which to me implies the problem was with her Ethnicity.....

 

On 8/23/2024 at 10:48 AM, frankster said:

That is how the scientific method is done.....one hypothesizes a theory and then set up an experiment to prove it.

The mutations that are passed on that results in adaptation has proven One of the processes of Evolution.... first .40 seconds of the video

 

On 8/23/2024 at 10:48 AM, frankster said:

will still hold to the fact that all homo sapiens sapiens are originally from Africa

 

On 8/23/2024 at 10:48 AM, frankster said:

But these Chinese people are of African descent???

 

On 8/23/2024 at 10:48 AM, frankster said:

Yes a unique set of traits....emphasis on set of.

 

LOL @frankster! What 's wrong with you! Those pictures do not show nappy hair. please help me God. lol.

The late artist you show, indeed permed his hair, but even then, his hair is not nappy.

Chinese people, Medes, Armenians, Europeans, etc. yes, all have origins from one male individual out of Africa. But they are not African today.

lol. You know this, so why are you so upset?

 

The scientific method has to have a control group from which the hypothesis is tested. A theory is developed prior to the tests that are performed. That is the first requirement that all Biology teachers must teach. So no, you don't 'hypothesize a theory' LOL. A theory is developed from an hypothesize or a set of hypothesize'. Then experiments are done afterwards. When a mutation occurs and are passed on through reproduction, that is not 'an adaptation'. The process of evolution when it comes to 'humans' has never been proven to be 'evolution'. 

 

What I vaguely remember about 'adaptation' is that it is 1 of 8 definitions of human life. I vaguely remember an example of how a certain animal began using 'a tool' to dig food out of a tree as an example of how later species started doing this. another form of adaptation is due to environmental changes which causes some species to adapt and change behavior due to a change within in their environment. 

 

 

 

[Chevdove]

On 8/23/2024 at 10:48 AM, frankster said:

The Bible is not Wrong......Only your interpretation of the bible is Wrong

 

How so?

 

LOL @frankster Are you Black? 

Help me God. I tell you what, go look at the film with Levar Burton, starring Kunta Kinte, please. 

I am referencing that kind of hair. Chattel Slavery and slaves that were first brought over here to America and sold on the auction blocks did not look like your version of curly hair or whatever you mean by coily hair. 

 

Coil definition--

a round shape formed by a series of concentric circles (as formed by leaves or flower petals)

synonyms:curl, curlicue, gyre, ringlet, roll, scroll, whorl ... 

a structure consisting of something wound in a continuous series of loops

“a coil of rope”synonyms:helix, spiral, volute, whorl  

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/coil#:~:text=A coil is a spiral,tends to form a coil.

 

What is the meaning of coil in English?

: to wind into rings or spirals. coil a rope. 2. : to roll or twist into a shape resembling a coil. coiled herself up on the couch.Aug 15, 2024

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coil#:~:text=%3A to wind into rings or,herself up on the couch

 

 

So, this is what the internet has posted in your word 'coil'. It seems to me to be similar to 'curl' and refers to different types of curls.

 

Jesus Christ. @frankster You are not happy with my making a distinction between curly hair and nappy hair. That is your choice, but your pics do not show the type of nappy hair that many Negro people can express exclusively. When i said 'angles' I am referring to what i saw under a microscope. But yes, I did see the word 'zig zag' and that could be another way of defining nappy hair, hair that have angles. 

 

Zig zag type of hair will lock but not curly hair. Curly hair does not lock.

That was the purpose of the Comb Test. Curly hair can be combed through but not nappy hair.

In order for nappy hair to be manageable with a comb, certain types of oil must be used to 'soften' the hair from its zig zap process. 

Lanolin is one such oil that affects nappy hair, hair that locks. Curly hair does not need lanolin, but can use other types of oil. 

Nappy hair is exclusive and needs specific types of oil to manage. 

 

My interpretation of the Bible is not wrong but you just don't want to accept my references although I have presented them.

The Bible uses the terms 'wool' and 'locks' and etc. when it comes to the Original hair type of mankind. It does not use the word 

'curl'. 

Lamb's wool is NOT defined as being 'curly'

The ancient Persian rugs were classified based on the degree of NAPS. 

 

[Chevdove]

 

I am going to put this definition in a separate thread:

 

Kinky Hair 

Kinky hair, also known as afro-textured hair, is a human hair texture prevalent

in the indigenous populations of many regions with hot climates,

mainly sub-Saharan Africa, some areas of Melanesia, and Australia.^[1] Each strand of

this hair type grows in a repeating pattern of small contiguous kinks

(tight twists and sharp folds). These numerous kinks make kinky hair

appear denser than straight, wavy, and curly hair types.^[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinky_hair

 

 

Okay @frankster Do you see where it says that this type of hair is most prevalent in indigenous populations of many regions with hot climates, mainly sub-Saharan Africa!?

 

It also refers to the word phrase 'sharp folds'!? 

not curls.

it also says that this type of hair is denser than straight, wavy and CURLY HAIR!?

 

 

On 8/23/2024 at 10:48 AM, frankster said:

Which Scripture are you using to support this assertion?

 

On 8/23/2024 at 10:48 AM, frankster said:

Celts have white skin and thin lips and straight noses???

 

The Bible is redundant in regards to the original mankind.

So, there are many scriptures. But i will give you just one general reference and that would be in association to the construction of the temple.

The temple was constructed to address this main connection of the original mankind to 'the seal of the living God'.

And I will give you another scripture and that would be when Jesus addressed the Jews on their obsession with Colorism.

When he finished, they were so angry with what he said, they tried to kill him.

 

Regarding the Celts with white skin, you have to realize the modern age reconstruction of 'race' and so, today, we are mis-educated to believe that the Celts are white.

But you can compare South Africa to this mind conditioning and so, White South Africans are distinctly different for the indigenous South Africans.

Like the Celts, they practice Colorism, so they became Separatist.

 

So when you are thinking about todays Celts, you also can compare us here in America and in how we have become different kinds of Americans.

There are African Americans, Black Americans, European Americans, Mexican Americans, etc.

 

There was a time where they were differentiated and called 'British Celts', 'Irish Celts', 'Scottish Celts' and etc. But today, we think that Celts are White, but no, 

the ancient Celts were Black.

 

[Chevdove]

 

OH! I finally saw where this arbitrary hair numbering system originates! 

A few years ago, I had commented that I did not think that system was accurate and now, I finally see. 

I just read that it comes from a man named Andre Walker, the hair dresser for Oprah Winfrey! He developed this system in 1997, and I earned my degree in Biology

back in 1987 and therefore, based on my research, I thought that this numbering system was suspect! 

 

 

Andre Walker

 

Because of the then-prevalent notion that straight wavy or curly hair (which, unlike kinky hair, is common in people of European origin) was more acceptable than kinky hair, many black people began exploring solutions for straightening, or relaxing, their tresses.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinky_hair

 

Andre Walker has caused confusion because his system is NOT scientifically accurate. 

 

In 1997, hairstylist Andre Walker created a numerical grading system for human hair types. [3] The Andre Walker Hair Typing System classifies kinky hair as 'type 4' (there are other types of hair, classifies kinky hair as 'type 4' (there are other types of hair, defined as type 1 for straight hair, type 2 for wavy, and type 3 for curly, with the letters A, B, and C used as indicators of the degree of coil variation in each type), with the subcategory of type 4C being most exemplary of the kinky hair.^[4] 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinky_hair

 

***** A Hairstylist! ***** 

 

However, kinky hair is often difficult to categorize because of the many different variations among individuals. ... 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinky_hair

 

 

 

[frankster]

On 8/24/2024 at 10:29 AM, Pioneer1 said:

Yall DO know that that painter Bob Ross....had his hair permed to look kinky right?

This is him years ago...with STRAIGHT hair in it's natural form.

 

 

 

Cool 

 

15 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

OH! I finally saw where this arbitrary hair numbering system originates! 

A few years ago, I had commented that I did not think that system was accurate and now, I finally see. 

I just read that it comes from a man named Andre Walker, the hair dresser for Oprah Winfrey! He developed this system in 1997, and I earned my degree in Biology

back in 1987 and therefore, based on my research, I thought that this numbering system was suspect! 

 

 

Andre Walker

 

Because of the then-prevalent notion that straight wavy or curly hair (which, unlike kinky hair, is common in people of European origin) was more acceptable than kinky hair, many black people began exploring solutions for straightening, or relaxing, their tresses.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinky_hair

 

Andre Walker has caused confusion because his system is NOT scientifically accurate. 

 

In 1997, hairstylist Andre Walker created a numerical grading system for human hair types. [3] The Andre Walker Hair Typing System classifies kinky hair as 'type 4' (there are other types of hair, classifies kinky hair as 'type 4' (there are other types of hair, defined as type 1 for straight hair, type 2 for wavy, and type 3 for curly, with the letters A, B, and C used as indicators of the degree of coil variation in each type), with the subcategory of type 4C being most exemplary of the kinky hair.^[4] 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinky_hair

 

***** A Hairstylist! ***** 

 

However, kinky hair is often difficult to categorize because of the many different variations among individuals. ... 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinky_hair

 

 

 

Where is the hair that Locks with angles?

Under the microscope show me the angles?

The San people have Coily hair...

[Chevdove]

On 8/25/2024 at 2:06 PM, frankster said:

Where is the hair that Locks with angles?

Under the microscope show me the angles?

The San people have Coily hair...

 

@frankster I put the definition of 'coil' in this thread, so if you believe the San people have coils, that's your opinion. I do not know.

As far as my sharing my job training and how I earned my degree with regards to nappy hair, I shared enough references. I do not need to 'show you anything under a microscope'. I have shared with you references and compared my interpretation of what I referred to as 'angles' with the 'zigzag pattern' I've seen and that would be a sufficient comparison of what I explained in how 'nappy hair' appears under a microscope. 

Andre Walker is a hairstylist NOT a geneticist. 

You definitely have a problem with accepting references that are genetically based. I shared references from scientist. 

And, I've told you that I've trained on prepared slides as an Environmental Scientist. 

Why would I lie about that? You've seen enough pictures of 'a zigzag pattern' of hair to know what I am  referring to.

 

[frankster]

2 hours ago, Chevdove said:

 

@frankster I put the definition of 'coil' in this thread, so if you believe the San people have coils, that's your opinion. I do not know.

As far as my sharing my job training and how I earned my degree with regards to nappy hair, I shared enough references. I do not need to 'show you anything under a microscope'. I have shared with you references and compared my interpretation of what I referred to as 'angles' with the 'zigzag pattern' I've seen and that would be a sufficient comparison of what I explained in how 'nappy hair' appears under a microscope. 

Andre Walker is a hairstylist NOT a geneticist. 

You definitely have a problem with accepting references that are genetically based. I shared references from scientist. 

And, I've told you that I've trained on prepared slides as an Environmental Scientist. 

Why would I lie about that? You've seen enough pictures of 'a zigzag pattern' of hair to know what I am  referring to.

 

Fair enough...I accept what you are saying

Know that what you are stating is not antithetical to what I have known to be true.

In a space such as this....I need a certain kind of evidence - That can be provided as a rudimentary support for that which I am espousing

If I cannot provide the above...I will hint and not state - though sometimes enthusiasm gets the better of me

Ever since Net Neutrality I have lost access to a lot of information that was freely and readily available without membership swapping personal info or accepting cookies.

 

I Knew what you are saying as true...it is what I was brought up to accept to be true

Especially with regard to our hair and melanin being exceptional.....making us Black people special and unique.

The word coil tries to hide the word spirals which connects us to natural energies and how those energies move - Antennae....nuff said

This being the reason why we excel in every field of endeavor even when we are disadvantaged...The opposer will respond - if that be true then why  are you now at the bottom?

Take for instance the Story of Yakub I first heard of it in the early to mid 80's from  Nuwaubian Nation of Malachi York proselytizers....

Prior to that in the late 60' - early 70's I was told it was a curse from God put on Gehazi that resulted in White skin....the stories are related - Reminiscence of Miriams curse

The story of Yakub/Gehazi I would never defend or espouse in this space...though every year I see more and more Evidence coming out in favor of them.

Now if you can bring those simply receipts then yes....I am all in