Sinners - Evil Cannot happen without your consent...true or false

[frankster]

This a Spiritual Laws that aligns with Free Will and Moral Dualism..

Sinners | "Let Me In" Film Clip | In Theaters April 18

This is the spiritual concept behind the scene above

It is almost impossible to argue the above scientifically ...

But in life I see it all the time....happening.

Evil is  allowed to lie cheat and decieve....

Evil only needs to fulfill one of  two requirements Tell you the Truth and or get your Consent.

This one of the Wisdom of the Ancients but a truly cannot see it as being true in every situation....but they say it is

 

Sinners are individuals who "miss the mark" or are incomplete

The Whites as Vampires represent their Parasitic and Cancerous Nature vis a vis Africans and the Global South.

The Mixed sister(mary) who came back in "Stack's" Life and turn him......is Lot's wife (Proverbs 26:11)

Pearl is Sammy's love interested is not just a sinner but an adulteress....by going to the juke joint she has consented to sammies overture

Sammy consumes the forbidden fruit....The Pearl of Great Price - Sacrifice

Smoke and Stack is One person who is in serious Ethical dissonance or dualism....That colors of the Hat represent blood plasma

 

Gotta go great movie...tried to break down how I saw it neither right or wrong just personal interpretation.

what say ye????

[Troy]

I saw this movie twice in the theatre -- I doubt I've ever done that with another film.  I saw it twice not because it was such a great film (thought it was good enough to view twice), but because I took someone else who had not seen it.

 

15 hours ago, frankster said:

It is almost impossible to argue the above scientifically ...

 

Nothing dealing with spirituality can be argued (or proven) scientifically.

 

15 hours ago, frankster said:

Sinners are individuals who "miss the mark" or are incomplete

 

All humans are sinners.

 

There are so many videos attempting to break down the movie's deeper meaning.  I have yet to see the filmmaker, Ryan Coogler, explaining anything, but I have not looked either... It would be nice to hear Coogler explaining the deeper meaning behind Sinners. 

 

[frankster]

3 hours ago, Troy said:

I saw this movie twice in the theatre -- I doubt I've ever done that with another film.  I saw it twice not because it was such a great film (thought it was good enough to view twice), but because I took someone else who had not seen it.

My kids forced my to watch.....they were surprised I did not fall asleep and so was I.

I like it because it showed hoodoo in a positive light somewhat...

 

3 hours ago, Troy said:

Nothing dealing with spirituality can be argued (or proven) scientifically.

That was once true....no longer is

Somethings once thought as spiritual....is now recognizable and measurable scientifically

 

3 hours ago, Troy said:

All humans are sinners.

Yes..... according to Western Christiuanity.

 

3 hours ago, Troy said:

There are so many videos attempting to break down the movie's deeper meaning.  I have yet to see the filmmaker, Ryan Coogler, explaining anything, but I have not looked either... It would be nice to hear Coogler explaining the deeper meaning behind Sinners. 

True

[Delano]

On 7/1/2025 at 3:31 AM, Troy said:

It would be nice to hear Coogler explaining the deeper meaning behind Sinners.

It probably won't happen. since doing so collapses all of the potential meanings to just one.

[Troy]

Like observing at election?

 

yes, it is so much better for the film if all this speculation continues to fly around. 

 

What amazes me is the time and effort people are putting into these videos to explain some aspect of the film. There are 40 minute YouTube videos to explain something that took 30 seconds in the film.

 

It’s crazy. People are getting too deep for themselves. You can see all kind of crazy things if you look hard enough. I mean Ryan cougar must have been a genius to build all these Easter eggs and double meanings, symbology, all known forms spirituality people have conjured up, and make an entertaining film on top of that.

 

[richardmurray]

Well... as a writer...

 

when I look at Coogler + Peele, the two most commercially successful black writer-directors in the last twenty years [commercial success defined as profit earned from films, not creative assessment] both make one and done films, no sequels. Both don't go into deep public analysis of their films, let audiences make assessment videos. Both tell stories dealing with the black experience having global implications but from a personal space. They remind me of August wilson's plays where the outer world is present, potent but the plays setting is a small black space.

Get Out- Black man taking white woman to see her clan.

US-Black family on a vacation to country house

Nope- Black siblings on a ranch

Sinners- Black blues joint in the south

 

Booth Peele + Coogler's movies have aspects of spirituality[ The sunken place, the doppelganger, the horse whisperer, Hoodoo] . Religion by name is a spirituality tied to a  book. Spirituality is anything involving the spirit of a person , regardless of whether that involvement is technological [ psychological tools, cloning], a skill[communicating to nonhumans, horses or aliens] , a specific tradition passed down[ hoodoo] 

 

When I think of 

Within our gates from oscar micheaux [ written and directed]

blood of jesus from spencer williams [ written and directed] 

Ceddo + Emitai from Ousmane Sembene [ written and directed] 

Daughters of the Dust from julie dash [ written and directed] 

The reality is most Black writer-directors tend to make historical fictions or historical dramas [Malcolm/Boyz in the hood/Black girl/Superfly/dead presidents/down in the delta(I can't believe maya angelou didn't edit or manipulate it) or similar]. But the works of Peele + Coogler follow the least traveled road of said list of artist using worlds with fantasy elements.[ may it be science fiction or spiritual heritage] And that harkens back to the classic Black descended of enslaved storytelling or heritages from before the war between the states, championed by Zora Neale Hurston. 

 

Now to answer the question you asked  "Evil Cannot happen without your consent" in the context of the film sinners. 

Well, one thing , we don't know how the white vampires were made? The film doesn't go into in great detail nor does it need to. All we know is the lead white vampire is old, their are rules. But as the black twins prove, the goodness of ones actions is not bounded to humanity. Vampires can be good as his twin proves at the end, if you define goodness by non verbal actions and not race[whether race is defined as a categorization or ranking or order based on religion/language/gender/blood lineage/phenotype or appearance/age/philosophical adherence/ or other determinant].  To restate Vampires are not inherently evil in the film, thus their entry into a place can not be deemed welcoming evil,  if you take the whole story into account. In parallel, in the film humans are not inherently good. And the KKK are not coming with the consent of the juke joint.  

 

So from my point of view,  in the film itself,  your question is not answered.

And what is the contrapositive to your question. Good can happen with your consent? Well define good. Are humans good while vampires evil? is goodness defined by non verbal action. but can't one action be deemed good or evil based on its specifics. 

OR about the opposite. Good cannot happen without your consent? again define good 

and in my view Coogler isn't offering viewpoints but not being ironclad in opinions. Steinfeld some say is yella, some say is white, by one drop is black, but their is a long heritage of blacks in the usa who are visibly white ala Charles W. Chesnutt. 

 

Away from writing....

Your posiiton as a black christian, i find thought provoking. I am not christian, but my views on black christianity are various. If I have one wish for black christians, it is for black christians to accept the many branches of black christianity, which I don't think black christians tend to do. But to your question, Evil Cannot happen without your consent,  I think based on your definitions, the answer is yes. 

 

For me, away from writing, the first question for me is always elements in the question. What is good? what is evil? what is consent? 

I comprehend positivity or negativity. I know what can be mostly positive or mostly negative, but nothing in my mind is all negative or all positive. and for me what people refer to as good is a supposed all positive, or evil is a supposed all negative. And I prefer to use the word grant over consent. What is granted is complicated. Sometimes one is granting things absent their knowledge or awareness, the raising of children proves this. 

Philosophically or spiritually, I  can only answer your question,   Evil Cannot happen without your consent, once it is restructured with more definition to what is evil or what is consent.

If you ask me, Vampires cannot interact to non vampires absent non vampirical grant? I will say no because Vampires I define as any creature that absorbs leechlike from another. Do the gnomes who suck souls require grants? Do the succubi require grants? I don't think so to either. Some types of Vampires do but not all. 

If you ask me, those with negative intent cannot happen absent anothers grant? I will say not usually. Negative intent can be from many and rarely requires the targets permission. 

If you ask me, can human blood craving Vampires enter the home of others absent a grant? I say both. historically from ancient times, some of said vampires have been blockaded from entering the homes of others , not all but some, arguably many. 

 

[ProfD]

Finally got around to watching Sinners.  Very well done movie.   Enjoyed it.

 

While I can see how and why folks could dive into deeper meanings, I'll wait for Ryan Coogler to spill the tea if it exists.

[Pioneer1]

17 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Finally got around to watching Sinners.  Very well done movie.   Enjoyed it.

 

While I can see how and why folks could dive into deeper meanings, I'll wait for Ryan Coogler to spill the tea if it exists.

 

I saw it twice....enjoyed it both times.

Just when people were beginning to believe nobody was coming after Michael Jordan.....Lebron stepped on the scene to dominate the NBA.

In the same vein....
Just when people thought Spike Lee had Black cinema on lock and nobody else would come after him and the show was over.....Ryan Coogler stood up and made everyone turn around and sit back down again, lol.

We continue to produce greatness from our ranks

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

We continue to produce greatness from our ranks

There's no shortage of talented folks within our ranks. They just need an opportunity and/or a platform to shine.

[richardmurray]

@Pioneer1 what about peele ? he was between spike + coogler? what about the wayans clan? what about mario van peebles? 

 

@ProfD yeah and to be blunt, more black people are getting opportunities today than in the past and many of those opportunities come from black wealth as well... no black people aren't running the world but we didn't nearly exterminate the native american either.

[ProfD]

13 hours ago, richardmurray said:

 

@ProfD yeah and to be blunt, more black people are getting opportunities today than in the past and many of those opportunities come from black wealth as well... 

Undoubtedly, Black folks have generated enough wealth especially within the entertainment industry leading to broader creative opportunities. 

 

As a result, Black filmmakers have the resources and latitude to make non-stereotypical films to the benefit of Spike Lee, Hudlin Brothers, Antoine Fuqua, F. Gary Gray, Jordan Peele, Ryan Coogler, etc.

 

 

[Pioneer1]

On 7/8/2025 at 9:49 PM, richardmurray said:

@Pioneer1 what about peele ? he was between spike + coogler? what about the wayans clan? what about mario van peebles? 

 

We're not talking about ANY Black director.
We're talking about those on Spike Lee's level, who could make movies that HIT you in the right spot.

Nobody makes a movie like Spike Lee.

Notice how after Spike Lee's version...nobody has made a Malcolm X movie since.


We've always had Black film makers.......
Besides the ones you named we have Tyler Perry, the Hughes Brothers, Eddie Murphy, Ice Cube, even Denzel dabbled a little in the directing business.
But none of them have that "guarantee" effect that Spike has.
There was a saying back in the day that if Spike Lee made a movie you were going to see it anyway because you KNOW it's going to be good.
It's a guaranteed success.

Coogler is now in that upper echelon with the likes of Spike.
 

[richardmurray]

@Pioneer1 

I see, it is funny, Spike Lee only made a few movies I actually like. I comprehend them but they aren't my cup of tea. 

• I love four little girls for me Spike's best work
• I like Malcolm X though the cast does brillianlty, and I think his cameo hurts the film
• I like get on the bus, ozzie davis i am a fan of
• I like inside man but he didn't write it

The way you talk about spike lee's work, I dont' feel that way. Alot of his movies I haven't seen in completion, I saw a part and had to go, didn't like it. 

I will be interested in a variation of kurosawa in Lee's highest to lowest coming out, kurosawa's work itself based on a book. 

[Pioneer1]

On 7/11/2025 at 12:24 AM, richardmurray said:

@Pioneer1 

I see, it is funny, Spike Lee only made a few movies I actually like. I comprehend them but they aren't my cup of tea. 

• I love four little girls for me Spike's best work
• I like Malcolm X though the cast does brillianlty, and I think his cameo hurts the film

Lol....you didn't like Spike playing "Shorty" in Malcolm X?
....talking about how much he loved pig's feet and White women.

Four Little Girls wasn't really a movie so much as it was a documentary.
I only watched it once, I didn't want to watch it again.
He actually showed the dead bodies of those girls while they were still laying in the rubble of the church; something I won't forget.

But that's what I mean about Spike Lee.....he brings it home.
He shows things and puts our community up on information that the lame/main stream doesn't.
Information that they have but are sitting on and hiding.

Some of the scenes in Malcolm X were actually gotten from the hours and hours of FBI and other agencies audio and video footage of Malcolm but wasn't released to the public in decades and STILL hasn't been released.
There is audio OF the actual shooting.

[richardmurray]

@Pioneer1

No one I have ever communicated with ever said the following

6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Four Little Girls wasn't really a movie so much as it was a documentary.

In my mind documentaries are movies, thank you, as an artist, I will ponder your words.

 

It wasn't this

6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Lol....you didn't like Spike playing "Shorty" in Malcolm X?
....talking about how much he loved pig's feet and White women.

I just think spike lee is not a good actor and he hurts films. 

 

[Pioneer1]

richardmurray

 No one I have ever communicated with ever said the following

Lol, exactly what did I say that nobody else every said to you before?