Astrological Prediction the end of Trump's Presidency

[Delano]

Time will tell. 

[Kalexander2]

@Troy   I never said that, or even suggest such a prosperous idea. Since early human history, we’ve devised all sorts of concepts to establish and maintain morals and order within the clan, tribe and community; and punish those who fail to follow those laws; religion was designed to do just.  And just like religious myths, the laws we live under today are equally flawed; to believe, with conviction, that matters for people are better because we have laws or, the course of something is dependent on the law; is not only an unsound consideration but misleading as well. 

 

Time to come out of the cotton field, Brother, laws of this nation has about as much to do with whether DT remains president as do equality for Blacks with Democratic ‘blue wave.’  America does not function because we have laws, it functions because only ordinary people, without power, follow those laws.  

 

[Troy]

 

3 hours ago, Kalexander2 said:

America does not function because we have laws, it functions because only ordinary people, without power, follow those laws.  

 

LOL What?!

 

@Kalexander2 OBVIOUSLY laws have no consequence it they are not followed and no law is perfect.  However, If there are no laws what then would people follow?  Your point of contention is lost on me.

 

Besides being in league with Del on this Trump issue, your method is reasoning is beginning to rival his as well.  Are you also a climate change denyer or flat earther too? 

[Delano]

Troy you believe in climate change because the information from scientist tell you it is true.

 

Yiu think me irrational because i disagree with 97% of climate scientist. 

 

I dont believe them for the following reasons. I looked at close to 300 years of data. I actually had to read a bit about the different types of temperature measurements. I looked at the models. None are good at prediction. I looked at their statements. One is unscientific the other is deceptive. And finally i followed  the flow of money of climate change foundations. I posted procon.org so you could look at both sides. 

 

Information is skewed you know that from selling books. Yet you accept what you are feed. 

 

I have said, what i say on every issue, think for yourself but act sensibly. I have never said someone's  opinion is ridiculous or even wrong. I just try to add a differrnt perspective to reasobing or rational people. 

 

Belittling K2 doesn't strengthen your argument. It denonstrates that your arguments needs support. 

 

Trump is a Black Swan a catastrophic event that happens very infrequently it is the GFC of social political reason. 

[Kalexander2]

53 minutes ago, Troy said:

If there are no laws what then would people follow?  Your point of contention is lost on me.

 

You're kidding me, right?  Your generalization of how laws work and 'consent of the governed' is wanting; just gravy with no meat.  Just because 90% of the people follow and obey laws of the land, while 10% are rogue does not make a system workable, fair, or even mean the majority have to obey them.  Your savior in the law has overtaken more than your reasoning.  And my questioning of the law does not make me a climate change denier or earther, coupling truth with negatives is a fool's argument.

 

While I do concur with Del's timeline regarding the life of DT's presidency, I do not subscribe to his methods for obtaining information.  Del's non-use of myths to devise his methods, however, is not of one who follows the leader.  And that's commendable.  

[Troy]

Politics make strange bedfellow Lol! I'm glad you two have found common ground.

 

3 hours ago, Delano said:

Belittling K2 doesn't strengthrn your argument. 

 

@Delano It is interesting that you find my equating your reasoning with K2's "belittling." 

 

3 hours ago, Kalexander2 said:

Your savior in the law has overtaken more than your reasoning.

 

Lol! Man that is a good one! I have not laughed out loud from reading something here in a long time.

 

Negro, I never said laws were perfect, but tell me something else that has improved anything for Black folks in the country.... I'll wait.

[Kalexander2]

14 minutes ago, Troy said:

but tell me something else that has improved anything for Black folks in the country

 

Two (2) questions in answer to your one question: 1. describe what's improved for Black folk in America, specifically (not in general terms)?  Are you suggesting Black progress if any, thanks to lawsw have better served us than we ourselves?

[Delano]

5 hours ago, Troy said:

Are you also a climate change denyer or flat earther too? 

@Troy my prediction was ahead if the curve your positions seem to be behind the curve. 

You thought Cosby was innocent. The cartoon of Serena not racist .

And Trump being reelected. 

[Kalexander2]

@Troy  Brother Del's made some interesting points here - if he's right - you've based your insightful commentary on subjective reasoning; which is a flawed way of thinking; not well taken for someone who proclaims to be a firm believer in scientific theory.

[Troy]

Man @Kalexander2, you have ripped another page from Del's playbook, by dodging a direct question and posing unrelated others. You should change your name to "Delano2."

 

2 hours ago, Troy said:

tell me something else that has improved anything for Black folks in the country.... I'll wait.

 

@Delano, Yes I changed my position on Cosby after becoming aware of overwhelming evidence (Something you should consider regarding climate change).

 

I do not think the Serna cartoon is racist. Changing my position after learning Osaka had a blond pony tail.

 

I never said 45 would be reelected, I just have not dismissed it as a possibility. 

 

As far as being behind or ahead of the curve, that you thing not mine. 

[Kalexander2]

Come on, Brother, you're too intelligent to believe that sort of deflection will work, on me!  I not only answered your question with two question posed to you, which you're trying to avoid; by addressing Del's comments which you, obviously, can't deny.  AND YES, you really did make the comment 45 would be reelected, without simply suggested it as a possibility.  Do you make a habit of deciding before thinking?

[Delano]

32 minutes ago, Troy said:

, Yes I changed my position on Cosby after becoming aware of overwhelming evidence (Something you should consider regarding climate change).

 

7 hours ago, Delano said:

Troy you believe in climate change because the information from scientist tell you it is true.

 

Yiu think me irrational because i disagree with 97% of climate scientist. 

 

I dont believe them for the following reasons. I looked at close to 300 years of data. I actually had to read a bit about the different types of temperature measurements. I looked at the models. None are good at prediction. I looked at their statements. One is unscientific the other is deceptive. And finally i followed  the flow of money of climate change foundations. I posted procon.org so you could look at both sides. 

 

Information is skewed you know that from selling books. Yet you accept what you are feed. 

 

I have said, what i say on every issue, think for yourself but act sensibly. I have never said someone's  opinion is ridiculous or even wrong. I just try to add a differrnt perspective to reasobing or rational people. 

 

Belittling K2 doesn't strengthen your argument. It denonstrates that your arguments needs support. 

 

Trump is a Black Swan a catastrophic event that happens very infrequently it is the GFC of social political reason. 

@Troy

[Troy]

25 minutes ago, Kalexander2 said:

Come on, Brother, you're too intelligent to believe that sort of deflection will work, on me! 

 

Honestly man, the ribbing was intended for @Delano I was just using you to get to him 

 

26 minutes ago, Kalexander2 said:

AND YES, you really did make the comment 45 would be reelected, without simply suggested it as a possibility. 

 

Really? Show me the quote, in context, because I don't hold the sentiment and don't recall writing such an unqualified statement like.

 

 

[Kalexander2]

29 minutes ago, Troy said:

Show me the quote, in context, because I don't hold the sentiment and don't recall writing such an unqualified statement like.

 

1 hour ago, Troy said:

I never said 45 would be reelected, I just have not dismissed it as a possibility

 

I'll settle for your acknowledgment of saying it.

[Delano]

On 8/23/2018 at 2:30 AM, Troy said:

I'm not so sure about his term, though I think he has a better than 50-50 chance -- the outcome of midterms will be a good indicator.

 

[Troy]

The quote @Delano found is more accurate reflection of my sentiment.  Of course if there is indeed a blue wave as a result of he midterms that will effect the odds.

 

[Delano]

On 8/31/2018 at 5:05 AM, Troy said:

 

45 will almost certainly finish the year, has a better than even chance of finishing his term, and may even be reelected for a second term...

 

[Troy]

The statements are consistent with each other and with how I feel.  Again I did not write 45 will be reelected I wrote he may be reelected. There is a difference.

[Kalexander2]

7 minutes ago, Troy said:

I wrote he may be reelected

 

Fair enough, but even that claim, of the possibility, was not supported; meaning you commented from the 'hip' with an empty gun.  Or was consideration of U.S. Constitutional laws your base of contention, if so, how?

[Troy]

@Kalexander2, another Delano tactic.  I've previous asked you both to explain the steps that would need taken to justify your belief that a sitting president could be removed, for the 1st time in history, in little more than 3 months.  You both have refused to do this, and now you are demanding that I do it --  something you've failed to do yourself.

 

Why is your shooting from the hip with an empty gun any better than me?

[Kalexander2]

1 hour ago, Troy said:

explain the steps that would need taken to justify your belief that a sitting president could be removed, for the 1st time in history, in little more than 3 months. 

 

@Troy: Okay, Brother, let's get in front of this:

 

There are five (5) ‘major’ classes of presidential duties that involve, military; foreign affairs, administrative, legislative, and judicial.  All, of which DT has shirked, abused or otherwise violated, in one way or another.   While anyone can be cause for impeachment, judicial, administrative, and legislative is more than enough. 

 

The Constitution gives the House of Representatives the sole power to indict or bring impeachment proceedings, the Senate has the sole power to try impeachments. The Constitution also defines the crimes for which the president can be impeached.  Although the Constitution limits the possible consequences of impeachment. Impeachment for political purposes was strictly prohibited. A person convicted by the Senate can only be removed from office [Hence, the punishment] and disqualified from holding "any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States." Impeachment does not activate the Fifth Amendment’s double jeopardy clause, however. This means that a person removed from office by impeachment can also face trial in other courts for crimes they have committed.

 

Congress [does] have the power to remove from office, through impeachment, the president, vice president, members of the president's cabinet and civil officers such as judges. If the president is removed, the vice president immediately takes the oath of office and becomes the president. In all other cases, the president nominates a replacement and the Congress must approve that replacement. In the event the president and vice president are both impeached and removed from office, the speaker of the House of Representatives would assume the presidency.

 

Popular belief has it that: One of the best ways to examine what happens after an impeachment conviction is to look at what has happened in past impeachment proceeding. As of 2018, no U.S. president has been impeached and convicted. In 1868, following the Civil War, President Andrew Johnson was impeached for "high crimes and misdemeanors" but was ultimately acquitted. In 1974 the House of Representatives passed articles of impeachment against President Richard Nixon for obstruction of justice, abuse of power and contempt of Congress. Nixon resigned though before impeachment proceedings could begin in the Senate. In 1999 President Bill Clinton was impeached for abuse of power, obstruction of justice and perjury, but he was acquitted of the charges.

 

That fact punishment of removal from office has never happened before is not a law prohibiting removal.  There you have the prescribed steps: 1^st obtain an impeachment, 2^nd remove the bastard from the oval office. 

And oh yeah, that's all by your 'savior' the law!!!

[Delano]

Trump is monetising the Presidency, the level of corruption and self dealing is unprecedented. He has totally inverted the concept of public servant. His lack of understanding combined with his inability to listen, is incredibly dangerous. He is unpresidential, this is actually very problematic. Since has d the effect of inflaming domestic tensions and causing international conflicts. 

 

He has been useful to the wealthy. However the point where he wants to be emperor or Big Brother marks the end. Because the powers that are don't want  their toys either destroyed or confiscated. 

The following terms are popping up more frequently Rule of Law, Constitutional Crisis. I have seen articles stating ge is destroying the country. Yet ge ua tge symptom if multiple cancerous attitudes. 

So in the end he will  be the most unifying divisive President in  history. 

 

Pride is still the most destructive vice. 

 

 

[Kalexander2]

@Troy  Well, Brother I do believe Brother Del has just identified more than is needed to remove DT after impeachment; unless he resigns, assassinated, or lose the remainder of his mind.  If not before, then definitely after midterms - no way he'll be president after 12/31/2018.  

 

YOUR  TURN, what law, procedure, or methods can you describe that'll prevent DT's removal before expiration of our wager?

[Delano]

Any ine of those items is impeachable. Once he has to release his tax returns its a wrap. 

 

What you feel to understand is that he us a different order of problem. Than any other self serving President. 

[Troy]

Have I EVER given you guys the impression that 45 was innocent of impeachable offenses... I'll wait.... of course not.

 

With a Republican house and Senate, both impeaching the president, and removing him from office will not happen in 3 months. 

 

Neither of you can tell me how this can possibly happen in the time frame you predicted.

 

 

 

 

[Delano]

Let's wait and see. 

[Kalexander2]

5 hours ago, Troy said:

Have I EVER given you guys the impression that 45 was innocent of impeachable offenses... I'll wait.... of course not.

 

With a Republican house and Senate, both impeaching the president, and removing him from office will not happen in 3 months. 

 

Neither of you can tell me how this can possibly happen in the time frame you predicted.

 

@Troy:  No, Brother, and I don't believe neither one of us has EVER accused you of believing DT was innocent.  That's beside the point, and still evading the question at hand:  "what law, procedure, or methods can you describe that'll prevent DT's removal before the expiration of our wager?"   I personally believe that between next weeks' Kavanaugh vote and the midterms (less than 50-days from now) GOP is going to resurrect what sense's they have left and start some real shit; realizing that the threat to GOP continued control of Congress is all because of DT's popularity, not political issues; that taking a stand against DT, getting rid of him is their only salvation, though it won't save them, too late for that.  If not within between now and the midterms, then certainly after,  once they've actually lost control of Congress.  Out of sheer revenge, or the last-ditch effort for room to try something new - the GOP is going to start impeachment/indictment proceedings, and then it's a wrap for DT - before 12/31/2018.  That's always been my argument here.

[Troy]

@Kalexander2, using history as a guide, from the time the House of Representatives announced it would begin an impeachment inquiry in October 1998, to the moment  President Clinton was found not guilty by during his trial before the Senate in February 1999 5 months transpired. 

 

From the date of Andrew Johnson impeachment February 24, 1868 to his acquittal it took over three months. This ignores the time it took to initiate the impeachment.

 

Obviously a republican run house will not initiate impeachment proceeding, certainly not until the is an actual indictment (which will probably not come down until after the midterms).  Since the republicans have the largest majority in congress in 80 years, it is not a certainty that either house will flip democratic.  This hubris, naivety really, is what got 45 into office and may keep him there.

 

Again, assuming there is an indictment the process for impeaching and conviction not be completed -- even if it started today -- by the end of the year.   You understand that right @Kalexander2?

 

Of course 45 can pull a Nixon and resign, but that will not happen before the end of the year either.

 

Also keep in mind those good ole boys don't work over the Xmas holidays so December is basically shot.

 

Both an understanding of history and common sense should tell you that 45 will be around until at least the end of the year. 

 

Now @Delano is making an astrological prediction which is another ball of wax, where reason, history, and facts are not a factor, so as he says  we'll have to "wait and see."

 

 

[Kalexander2]

5 minutes ago, Troy said:

Obviously a republican run house will not initiate impeachment proceeding,

 

@Troy  Are you sure about that?  Notwithstanding 'stare decisis' prescribed for Congressional ordinances, precedence has little bearing on what Congress may, or may not do next.  As I've pointed out, matters and options have dramatically changed for the GOP since DT was elected; from hopefulness for the success of their agenda to the now, near total discouragement that their party will even exist, thanks to DT.  Do you really believe those White boys won't try to get ahead of the 'DT curve' before midterms, or soon thereafter, in spite of the Constitution dictates?  

Furthermore, Brother Del raised a point I've not considered for several months now,  DT's tax returns, once made public is going to push GOP to enact impeachment immediately; because the base they rely on is going to be so pissed off that the billions DT claim he has is nothing more than paper and BS.  In fact, their base is the only hope they have left, once that's threatened, it only a matter of days.  I believe anyhow!

[Troy]

No I'm not absolutely sure. I would not bet my life on it, but I sure will bet 50 bucks.  Thanks for the donation 

[Kalexander2]

Thank you, Brother, and you're welcome.  Me, I'll wager twice that much DT's presidency won't last to the New Year!

[Delano]

4 hours ago, Troy said:

@Kalexander2, using history as a guide, from the time the House of

My point is that Trump is a Black Swan. There is no comparison. However we shall  see

[Kalexander2]

23 hours ago, Delano said:

On 9/19/2018 at 4:43 PM, Troy said:

@Kalexander2, using history as a guide, from the time the House of

 

No, just the opposite of using history, the Constitution, laws, etc.  I support my argument with social psychology and social anthropology contrasted with legislative precedence.   

[Troy]

@Kalexander2, but why ignore due process and the amount of time it takes to execute it?

[Kalexander2]

@Troy:  Brother, I'm not ignoring anything, as anything is possible.  But the likelihood of due process and precedence of past legislative impeachment events is out-of-character for today's politics;  doesn't have the teeth to do what I predict within the time I anticipate, is all I'm saying.  That, coupled with how matters have transpired (without precedence) since DT was sworn in as President, including the unprecedented way he was elected allows room to believe unconstitutional and unprecedented events is the new norm - to get DT out of the oval office.  You, me, and all of our powerless peers are the only ones who follow the law these days.  

[Troy]

1 hour ago, Kalexander2 said:

You, me, and all of our powerless peers are the only ones who follow the law these days.

 

Sure, but don't you think that for the powerful, like 45, the wheels of justice will turn even more slowly -- if at all?  Isn't this the way it always goes?

 

Again, I'm not sure why you think the law well be both swift and just when it comes to 45.  I can only assume that living aboard has dulled your senses regarding American justice.  This is plausible since Del appears to be the only one to agree with you, and he too lives outside the United States.

 

 

[Delano]

A Constitutional Crisis on top of everything else is not business as usual. 

On 6/2/2018 at 12:09 PM, Delano said:

We are witnessing a geopolitical switch and it is revolutionary. 

 

The US Dollar will no longer be the currency that oil is traded in the commodity markets.

This was reported by NBC news. 

 

 

Meanwhile, trade between Russia and China reached $87 billion in 2017, up from $64.2 billion in 2015. Putin said in Vladivostok that this figure is expected to top $100 billion for 2018, and that both sides want to increase the use of their national currencies in lieu of the U.S.dollar.

[Troy]

Yeah it is about to hit the fan in more way than one.  Hold your loved ones close...

[Delano]

I will reiterate my point we are in the midst of a huge geopolitical shift. Like the say past performance is not indicative of future results. 

[Delano]

Here's ge link to the article

 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-china-embrace-uneasily-aim-desirable-world-order-n910116.

 

The removal of the US DOLLAR signals the end of American dominance. 

 

[Kalexander2]

3 hours ago, Troy said:

Isn't this the way it always goes?

 

Again, I'm not sure why you think the law well be both swift and just when it comes to 45.  I can only assume that living aboard has dulled your senses regarding American justice.  This is plausible since Del appears to be the only one to agree with you, and he too lives outside the United States.

 

Yes, Brother, the precedence you rely on has been the way matters have gone but those days are over.  Again, it's isn't law, swift or slow that's being applied to the American system of government.  Think, if you will what drove, motivated, and compelled the early colonists before the American system, was it the Magna Carta?  this the social psychological/anthropological conditions I'm alluding to.  SURE, as the Brother said, we are probably witnessing a 'geopolitical shift the likes of the Roman empire. 

 

Matters are not what they used to be, Brother, What I'm really afraid of is, America isn't prepared, nor have a workable system in place to deal with what's already here, or coming. 

 

I didn't know Brother Del was outside the US.  No matter though, I think you're unfound reliance on this idea of 'justice' has expanded your imagination to an unhealthy level.  There was never such a  thing as American Justice, the system you rely on has always been an equitable system of State power, to control the masses, a system that even the Party even the Democratic Party is attempting to move away from, even as we comment here.  

[Delano]

Troy I said the US dollar is on the way out. Perhaps it's more about perspective than location. Has being in Florida changed your perspective about New York? 

[Troy]

@Delano yes relocating to FL always makes me think differently about NYC. I lived here in the early 90's before B-school. Everytime I come back I need to brace myself. NYC is filthy, noisy, expensive, crowded, and people are understandably ruded. As a native I can quickly get used to it but I have to brace myself. It is not a healthy environment -- especially if you are poor, as many here are.

 

Perspective is a function of location.

 

@Kalexander2 I dont have an issue with what you wrote, indeed it seems to imply the likes of 45 will become more popular....

[Kalexander2]

10 minutes ago, Troy said:

the likes of 45 will become more popular....

 

@Troy  I don't know about popularity, but he isn't the first of his kind to emerge from the depths of humanity's worse.

[Troy]

...no not by a long shot. But our laws keep these guys in check far better than anytime since the European set foot on this land

[Delano]

Keep them in check then why are there more billionaires and bigger wealth disparity?

Viewpoint is a function of location perspective of experience. So I would make a distinction on how I was using the term.

@Troy what about the dollars removal as the global currency any opinions?

[Kalexander2]

@Troy  Okay, I agree we’ve succeeded in establishing mass cooperation as to definition(s) of life forms, what constitutes being human, the value of wealth, and we’ve eliminated extreme ideas of moral turpitude; created prohibitions and punishment for those who violate them.  Instead of people attacking and cubbing each other due to differences, we now legally marginalize them through economic distinctions, men are no longer permitted to grab a woman by the hair, drag her into his cave and do whatever he wants, instead, we grab them the pussy and compel them with subtle threats of well-being into voluntary submission.  Slavery in America served as the ultimate laboratory to test and improve plutocracy, fascism, and authoritarian rule through re-definition(s), and qualification.

 

Believe me when I say I too want to believe human idea and morals have improved since White folk set fool in the Americas; but a closer look reveals we’ve gotten only worse, debased ourselves through our intellect, discoveries, and technology.

[Troy]

55 minutes ago, Kalexander2 said:

but a closer look reveals we’ve gotten only worse

 

...says the man who was never enslaved.  @Kalexander2, come on man, are you really trying to tell me things are worses today... really?  We can't possibly have a serious conversation if that is your position.  Our perceptions of reality are too different.  Drop the hyperbole if you wanna have a serious conversation.

 

@Delano if you read anything I've written on these forums you know that I do not think this country is perfect.  Nor do I think our rules are perfect, but they are better today than they have been.  Today slavery is outlawed and wealth disparity is at it's highest level.  I'll choose freedom first, dealing with wealthy disparity is a secondary consideration, as I'm sure it would be for you,

 

8 hours ago, Delano said:

what about the dollars removal as the global currency any opinions?

 

Here too, I'm sure where you are getting your information. Why do you say that the US dollar has been "removed" as a global currency?  The premise is factually inaccurate (on its face), so the question makes no sense.

[Kalexander2]

32 minutes ago, Troy said:

.says the man who was never enslaved.  @Kalexander2, come on man, are you really trying to tell me things are worses today... really?  We can't possibly have a serious conversation if that is your position.  Our perceptions of reality are too different.  Drop the hyperbole if you wanna have a serious conversation.

 

 

No, there be no serious conversation(s) with a mind so narrow as to be unable to see the differences between being a slave and being enslaved.  Furthermore, the connotations placed on the idea of slavery is equally misleading.  we are all slaves, whether forced by someone, to survive or for our self-interests, the sweat of the brow and the labor of our backs is only a measure of degrees that serve our aims.  Never realized you were so susceptible to the intellect con game.

 

Finally, let us dispense with the past as an argument concerning the present or the future, being better off as such.  The Neanderthal can stake the claim, as compared to 54 million years ago the human race is better off.  Or are we really better off?

[Troy]

...oh Brother.  K2, if preferring my life to one of toiling, from sun up to sun down, in some tobacco farm or cotton field makes me "narrow minded" then I'll be narrow minded.  

 

If you wanna believe we've made no progress that is up to you.

 

What intellectual con game Have I, Troy Johnson, fallen prey to?