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1 hour ago, Troy said:

explain the steps that would need taken to justify your belief that a sitting president could be removed, for the 1st time in history, in little more than 3 months. 

 

@Troy: Okay, Brother, let's get in front of this:

 

There are five (5) ‘major’ classes of presidential duties that involve, military; foreign affairs, administrative, legislative, and judicial.  All, of which DT has shirked, abused or otherwise violated, in one way or another.   While anyone can be cause for impeachment, judicial, administrative, and legislative is more than enough. 

 

The Constitution gives the House of Representatives the sole power to indict or bring impeachment proceedings, the Senate has the sole power to try impeachments. The Constitution also defines the crimes for which the president can be impeached.  Although the Constitution limits the possible consequences of impeachment. Impeachment for political purposes was strictly prohibited. A person convicted by the Senate can only be removed from office [Hence, the punishment] and disqualified from holding "any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States." Impeachment does not activate the Fifth Amendment’s double jeopardy clause, however. This means that a person removed from office by impeachment can also face trial in other courts for crimes they have committed.

 

Congress [does] have the power to remove from office, through impeachment, the president, vice president, members of the president's cabinet and civil officers such as judges. If the president is removed, the vice president immediately takes the oath of office and becomes the president. In all other cases, the president nominates a replacement and the Congress must approve that replacement. In the event the president and vice president are both impeached and removed from office, the speaker of the House of Representatives would assume the presidency.

 

Popular belief has it that: One of the best ways to examine what happens after an impeachment conviction is to look at what has happened in past impeachment proceeding. As of 2018, no U.S. president has been impeached and convicted. In 1868, following the Civil War, President Andrew Johnson was impeached for "high crimes and misdemeanors" but was ultimately acquitted. In 1974 the House of Representatives passed articles of impeachment against President Richard Nixon for obstruction of justice, abuse of power and contempt of Congress. Nixon resigned though before impeachment proceedings could begin in the Senate. In 1999 President Bill Clinton was impeached for abuse of power, obstruction of justice and perjury, but he was acquitted of the charges.

 

That fact punishment of removal from office has never happened before is not a law prohibiting removal.  There you have the prescribed steps: 1st obtain an impeachment, 2nd remove the bastard from the oval office. 

And oh yeah, that's all by your 'savior' the law!!!

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Trump is monetising the Presidency, the level of corruption and self dealing is unprecedented. He has totally inverted the concept of public servant. His lack of understanding combined with his inability to listen, is incredibly dangerous. He is unpresidential, this is actually very problematic. Since has d the effect of inflaming domestic tensions and causing international conflicts. 

 

He has been useful to the wealthy. However the point where he wants to be emperor or Big Brother marks the end. Because the powers that are don't want  their toys either destroyed or confiscated. 

The following terms are popping up more frequently Rule of Law, Constitutional Crisis. I have seen articles stating ge is destroying the country. Yet ge ua tge symptom if multiple cancerous attitudes. 

So in the end he will  be the most unifying divisive President in  history. 

 

Pride is still the most destructive vice. 

 

 

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@Troy  Well, Brother I do believe Brother Del has just identified more than is needed to remove DT after impeachment; unless he resigns, assassinated, or lose the remainder of his mind.  If not before, then definitely after midterms - no way he'll be president after 12/31/2018.  

 

YOUR  TURN, what law, procedure, or methods can you describe that'll prevent DT's removal before expiration of our wager?

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Any ine of those items is impeachable. Once he has to release his tax returns its a wrap. 

 

What you feel to understand is that he us a different order of problem. Than any other self serving President. 

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Have I EVER given you guys the impression that 45 was innocent of impeachable offenses... I'll wait.... of course not.

 

With a Republican house and Senate, both impeaching the president, and removing him from office will not happen in 3 months. 

 

Neither of you can tell me how this can possibly happen in the time frame you predicted.

 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Troy said:

Have I EVER given you guys the impression that 45 was innocent of impeachable offenses... I'll wait.... of course not.

 

With a Republican house and Senate, both impeaching the president, and removing him from office will not happen in 3 months. 

 

Neither of you can tell me how this can possibly happen in the time frame you predicted.

 

@Troy:  No, Brother, and I don't believe neither one of us has EVER accused you of believing DT was innocent.  That's beside the point, and still evading the question at hand:  "what law, procedure, or methods can you describe that'll prevent DT's removal before the expiration of our wager?"   I personally believe that between next weeks' Kavanaugh vote and the midterms (less than 50-days from now) GOP is going to resurrect what sense's they have left and start some real shit; realizing that the threat to GOP continued control of Congress is all because of DT's popularity, not political issues; that taking a stand against DT, getting rid of him is their only salvation, though it won't save them, too late for that.  If not within between now and the midterms, then certainly after,  once they've actually lost control of Congress.  Out of sheer revenge, or the last-ditch effort for room to try something new - the GOP is going to start impeachment/indictment proceedings, and then it's a wrap for DT - before 12/31/2018.  That's always been my argument here.

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@Kalexander2, using history as a guide, from the time the House of Representatives announced it would begin an impeachment inquiry in October 1998, to the moment  President Clinton was found not guilty by during his trial before the Senate in February 1999 5 months transpired. 

 

From the date of Andrew Johnson impeachment February 24, 1868 to his acquittal it took over three months. This ignores the time it took to initiate the impeachment.

 

Obviously a republican run house will not initiate impeachment proceeding, certainly not until the is an actual indictment (which will probably not come down until after the midterms).  Since the republicans have the largest majority in congress in 80 years, it is not a certainty that either house will flip democratic.  This hubris, naivety really, is what got 45 into office and may keep him there.

 

Again, assuming there is an indictment the process for impeaching and conviction not be completed -- even if it started today -- by the end of the year.   You understand that right @Kalexander2?

 

Of course 45 can pull a Nixon and resign, but that will not happen before the end of the year either.

 

Also keep in mind those good ole boys don't work over the Xmas holidays so December is basically shot.

 

Both an understanding of history and common sense should tell you that 45 will be around until at least the end of the year. 

 

Now @Delano is making an astrological prediction which is another ball of wax, where reason, history, and facts are not a factor, so as he says  we'll have to "wait and see."

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Troy said:

Obviously a republican run house will not initiate impeachment proceeding,

 

@Troy  Are you sure about that?  Notwithstanding 'stare decisis' prescribed for Congressional ordinances, precedence has little bearing on what Congress may, or may not do next.  As I've pointed out, matters and options have dramatically changed for the GOP since DT was elected; from hopefulness for the success of their agenda to the now, near total discouragement that their party will even exist, thanks to DT.  Do you really believe those White boys won't try to get ahead of the 'DT curve' before midterms, or soon thereafter, in spite of the Constitution dictates?  

Furthermore, Brother Del raised a point I've not considered for several months now,  DT's tax returns, once made public is going to push GOP to enact impeachment immediately; because the base they rely on is going to be so pissed off that the billions DT claim he has is nothing more than paper and BS.  In fact, their base is the only hope they have left, once that's threatened, it only a matter of days.  I believe anyhow!

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No I'm not absolutely sure. I would not bet my life on it, but I sure will bet 50 bucks.  Thanks for the donation 😉

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23 hours ago, Delano said:
On 9/19/2018 at 4:43 PM, Troy said:

@Kalexander2, using history as a guide, from the time the House of

 

No, just the opposite of using history, the Constitution, laws, etc.  I support my argument with social psychology and social anthropology contrasted with legislative precedence.   

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@Troy:  Brother, I'm not ignoring anything, as anything is possible.  But the likelihood of due process and precedence of past legislative impeachment events is out-of-character for today's politics;  doesn't have the teeth to do what I predict within the time I anticipate, is all I'm saying.  That, coupled with how matters have transpired (without precedence) since DT was sworn in as President, including the unprecedented way he was elected allows room to believe unconstitutional and unprecedented events is the new norm - to get DT out of the oval office.  You, me, and all of our powerless peers are the only ones who follow the law these days.  

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1 hour ago, Kalexander2 said:

You, me, and all of our powerless peers are the only ones who follow the law these days.

 

Sure, but don't you think that for the powerful, like 45, the wheels of justice will turn even more slowly -- if at all?  Isn't this the way it always goes?

 

Again, I'm not sure why you think the law well be both swift and just when it comes to 45.  I can only assume that living aboard has dulled your senses regarding American justice.  This is plausible since Del appears to be the only one to agree with you, and he too lives outside the United States.

 

 

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A Constitutional Crisis on top of everything else is not business as usual. 

On 6/2/2018 at 12:09 PM, Delano said:

We are witnessing a geopolitical switch and it is revolutionary

 

The US Dollar will no longer be the currency that oil is traded in the commodity markets.

This was reported by NBC news. 

 

 

Meanwhile, trade between Russia and China reached $87 billion in 2017, up from $64.2 billion in 2015. Putin said in Vladivostok that this figure is expected to top $100 billion for 2018, and that both sides want to increase the use of their national currencies in lieu of the U.S.dollar.

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I will reiterate my point we are in the midst of a huge geopolitical shift. Like the say past performance is not indicative of future results. 

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3 hours ago, Troy said:

Isn't this the way it always goes?

 

Again, I'm not sure why you think the law well be both swift and just when it comes to 45.  I can only assume that living aboard has dulled your senses regarding American justice.  This is plausible since Del appears to be the only one to agree with you, and he too lives outside the United States.

 

Yes, Brother, the precedence you rely on has been the way matters have gone but those days are over.  Again, it's isn't law, swift or slow that's being applied to the American system of government.  Think, if you will what drove, motivated, and compelled the early colonists before the American system, was it the Magna Carta?  this the social psychological/anthropological conditions I'm alluding to.  SURE, as the Brother said, we are probably witnessing a 'geopolitical shift the likes of the Roman empire. 

 

Matters are not what they used to be, Brother, What I'm really afraid of is, America isn't prepared, nor have a workable system in place to deal with what's already here, or coming. 

 

I didn't know Brother Del was outside the US.  No matter though, I think you're unfound reliance on this idea of 'justice' has expanded your imagination to an unhealthy level.  There was never such a  thing as American Justice, the system you rely on has always been an equitable system of State power, to control the masses, a system that even the Party even the Democratic Party is attempting to move away from, even as we comment here.  

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Troy I said the US dollar is on the way out. Perhaps it's more about perspective than location. Has being in Florida changed your perspective about New York? 

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@Delano yes relocating to FL always makes me think differently about NYC. I lived here in the early 90's before B-school. Everytime I come back I need to brace myself. NYC is filthy, noisy, expensive, crowded, and people are understandably ruded. As a native I can quickly get used to it but I have to brace myself. It is not a healthy environment -- especially if you are poor, as many here are.

 

Perspective is a function of location.

 

@Kalexander2 I dont have an issue with what you wrote, indeed it seems to imply the likes of 45 will become more popular....

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...no not by a long shot. But our laws keep these guys in check far better than anytime since the European set foot on this land

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Keep them in check then why are there more billionaires and bigger wealth disparity?

Viewpoint is a function of location perspective of experience. So I would make a distinction on how I was using the term.

@Troy what about the dollars removal as the global currency any opinions?

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@Troy  Okay, I agree we’ve succeeded in establishing mass cooperation as to definition(s) of life forms, what constitutes being human, the value of wealth, and we’ve eliminated extreme ideas of moral turpitude; created prohibitions and punishment for those who violate them.  Instead of people attacking and cubbing each other due to differences, we now legally marginalize them through economic distinctions, men are no longer permitted to grab a woman by the hair, drag her into his cave and do whatever he wants, instead, we grab them the pussy and compel them with subtle threats of well-being into voluntary submission.  Slavery in America served as the ultimate laboratory to test and improve plutocracy, fascism, and authoritarian rule through re-definition(s), and qualification.

 

Believe me when I say I too want to believe human idea and morals have improved since White folk set fool in the Americas; but a closer look reveals we’ve gotten only worse, debased ourselves through our intellect, discoveries, and technology.

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55 minutes ago, Kalexander2 said:

but a closer look reveals we’ve gotten only worse

 

...says the man who was never enslaved.  @Kalexander2, come on man, are you really trying to tell me things are worses today... really?  We can't possibly have a serious conversation if that is your position.  Our perceptions of reality are too different.  Drop the hyperbole if you wanna have a serious conversation.

 

@Delano if you read anything I've written on these forums you know that I do not think this country is perfect.  Nor do I think our rules are perfect, but they are better today than they have been.  Today slavery is outlawed and wealth disparity is at it's highest level.  I'll choose freedom first, dealing with wealthy disparity is a secondary consideration, as I'm sure it would be for you,

 

8 hours ago, Delano said:

what about the dollars removal as the global currency any opinions?

 

Here too, I'm sure where you are getting your information. Why do you say that the US dollar has been "removed" as a global currency?  The premise is factually inaccurate (on its face), so the question makes no sense.

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32 minutes ago, Troy said:

.says the man who was never enslaved.  @Kalexander2, come on man, are you really trying to tell me things are worses today... really?  We can't possibly have a serious conversation if that is your position.  Our perceptions of reality are too different.  Drop the hyperbole if you wanna have a serious conversation.

 

 

No, there be no serious conversation(s) with a mind so narrow as to be unable to see the differences between being a slave and being enslaved.  Furthermore, the connotations placed on the idea of slavery is equally misleading.  we are all slaves, whether forced by someone, to survive or for our self-interests, the sweat of the brow and the labor of our backs is only a measure of degrees that serve our aims.  Never realized you were so susceptible to the intellect con game.

 

Finally, let us dispense with the past as an argument concerning the present or the future, being better off as such.  The Neanderthal can stake the claim, as compared to 54 million years ago the human race is better off.  Or are we really better off?

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...oh Brother.  K2, if preferring my life to one of toiling, from sun up to sun down, in some tobacco farm or cotton field makes me "narrow minded" then I'll be narrow minded.  

 

If you wanna believe we've made no progress that is up to you.

 

What intellectual con game Have I, Troy Johnson, fallen prey to?

 

 

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Notwithstanding the atrocities of those innocent souls who perished during the forced slavery of Black folk, those who submitted to their taskmasters survived.  Yes?  And you are surviving today, right?  Although not in some field of production, but rather as an instructor and automated media entrepreneur the complaints are the same.

 

Those who worked in the field complained of inequality, fairness, and justice over those who worked in the house or worked as horse and buggy drivers - but not out loud - until it was realized, by White folk, that it’s safer and more equitable to enact civil rights and expend the Bill of Rights to include Black folk.  Now, if you want to give credit of human nature to the constitution or laws it’s your right to believe whatever makes you feel better about your life; but what you and/or every single person on earth believe by no means change the reality of what’s real.

 

You want to believe you’re not somebody’s slave, more power to you, Brother, though in the interim everyone’s going to know you were dependable and your absence changes nothing.

 

Not only me and you, and Black in general, but humanity as a whole haven't made any progress in a meaningful way. 

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2 hours ago, Kalexander2 said:

 

You want to believe you’re not somebody’s slave, more power to you, Brother, though in the interim everyone’s going to know you were dependable and your absence changes nothing.

 

 

@Kalexander2, if I'm a slave who is my master? 

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IRS? That is silly.  How else do you propose we find the government? Or are things like infrastructure not important to you? Besides given my income and expenses I dont pay very much federal tax and Florida has no state tax. And I'm happy to pay my municipality for folks to come get My trash and ensure I get water and my sewage is carried away -- it is a bargin!

 

I don't have a mortgage.

 

I'm self- employed.

 

I have no clue what you mean by self interests, but presumably they are an expression of free will not slavery.

 

Sure, keep going but try to come up with better examples. It boggles the mind that you would today us worse off today than back then. SMH....

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@Troy:  Ah, then you enjoy many slavery-free benefits and have a need for only change and/or improvement what you already enjoy.  Indeed, I’m as happy for you as you are for yourself.   Obviously, what I believe can be an advancement to humankind is unobtainable; is quite different from you see as some human progress because no-one stands over you with a whip.   Your mind isn’t so much boggled as it unwilling to reject the status quo of matters.  A blind alliance to what you know and believe.  

 

I think that's called patriotism.  

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To put it another way do you feel people are free?

Troy you live a life that is beyond reach of the majority of people. How many people do you meet that can travel across the country and have their own home and business?

Also you have more drive and focus than most people, not just Black people. 

 

Who else do you know that has a forum for discussion. 

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May i inject the idea that freedom is an abstract idea and is also relative in that it  involves choices.    There are personal freedoms and public freedoms.  Tangible ones and intangible ones. Mental ones and physical ones.  i am free to think anything i choose; free to express an opinion about  any subject. i am free  to not believe in or worship  "god".   i do not revere the American flag and i am free to burn one in public,  I am free to choose not to vote.   I am free to call another black person a nigger/nigga.  i am free to kill a person in self defense.  Death and taxes are actually the only restrictions in my life but i can choose to not do things that will endanger my life, and even free to not make enough money to pay taxes.   It just depends on what challenges you face in life and what decisions you make in regard to them.    

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Yes @Kalexander2 people are indeed free here in America. This should not be up for discussion.

 

Now, of course, many people, perhaps most, don't exercise their freedom. Freedom as they say is not free. In fact, exercising one's freedom can often be quite difficult. 

 

@Delano you mention who else has a forum? Very few do, because it is hard. I could go to Facebook like everyone else and talk there. My life would be much easier. I would not have to worry about the maintenance, cost, or even promotion of this forum. But I would be a slave to Facebook, a true slave as I'd be subjecting myself to their (and their advertisers) behavior modification algorithms. (I thank y'all lately for, exercising your freedom, by helping to make this forum possible.)

 

Most Americans don't have passports and very few have been to more than a few states. I've been to all the states and all the major cities that I wanted to visit.  Last month I visited Birmingham AL and Jackson, MS for the first time. This takes time and money. People in many other countries simply don't have the freedom to travel the world they way we can. 

 

Freedom is also the freedom not to exercise it, so if people want to spend their time on Facebook and never leave their back yard -- they are free do so.

 

We are slaves only if we choose to be. This has always been case, except when you dont know you are a slave.

 

I feel many authors are slaves to Amazon. Most dont see it and the ones that do are unwilling to take the simple steps to free themselves from the big A's yoke -- mostly because they are afraid of losing money. 

 

The desire for money enslaves many of us.

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@Cynique Hello, sister Cynique, I pray all is well with you and yours!  Obliviously, we are concerned with freedoms of choice - to survive – of both mental and physical freedoms; all of which lead to unavoidable death regardless of choice.  More importantly, being discussed here are the compelling freedoms we chose that worsen conditions of life and liberty, instead of making life more tolerable, lay bare our beliefs and the principles that guide us.  That the Constitution and laws of the land should govern predictions of the future and explain the past.

 

@Troy  Like the sister Cynique mentioned, "it depends on the challenges faced" that impact certain unalienable rights.  Fact is, as disappointing as it is, no is free in America, not even White folks, although identifying with the hegemony makes them less suspectable to plights of all others, they too are slaves.

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