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20 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I miss Tony Browns Journal.
He used to have POWERFUL indepth interviews where it would just be him and the guest going at it and exchanging.
No music (except for the introduction) no fluff, no glamour, just straight logic and dialog.
I loved it.

 

 

17 hours ago, Troy said:

Me too. The culture does not support programming like that. They feed us R. Kelly, Jessie Smollett, and Bill Cosby jail stories in between 45's tweets. We are a culture of

 selfie-taking mental midgets anxiously waiting for the next shiny thing social media puts in our "news" feed.

The above statements are just not accurate.  There are still programs where there are one-on-one interviews on compelling subjects, where black women and men are given a platform to expound on timely topics as they relate to blacks. Oprah has a show that does this.  But, of course, you will dismiss it because of your pre-conceived notions about anybody who doesn't pass your litmus test of being on a decades old YouTube tape. Angela Davis is still around giving interviews and kickin butt. Kathleen Cleaver, too. Check out the Sunday morning community affairs programs on your local TVs networks. They feature these kinds of guests discussing what negatively impacts on blacks.  You can't speak about what's not on the media if you don't watch it because you prefer to stay in the comfort zone of your bubble and commiserate with like-minded dweebs about tired ol problems that haven't mellowed with age.  When you  finish rehashing left-overs, you can go back to pursuing discussions on the redeeming value of porn or your pouting about white men, and other thrilling subjects that you find so much more uplifting than current events or pop culture.  See ya.       

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3 hours ago, Cynique said:

When you  finish rehashing left-overs, you can go back to pursuing discussions on the redeeming value of porn or your pouting about white men, and other thrilling subjects that you find so much more uplifting than current events or pop culture.  See ya.  

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8 hours ago, Cynique said:

The above statements are just not accurate.  There are still programs where there are one-on-one interviews on compelling subjects, where black women and men are given a platform to expound on timely topics as they relate to blacks. Oprah has a show that does this.  But, of course, you will dismiss it because of your pre-conceived notions about anybody who doesn't pass your litmus test of being on a decades old YouTube tape. 

  

Oh Brother @Cynique I thought you knew me better than that. I've seen Davis numerous times have produced video of her myself. I saw Kathleen a few months ago. 

 

Oprah.... really? That is what you put up as a suitable alternative to Tony Brown's Journal? Oprah is fluff for the female masses. I've seen the show.  has it changed from 20 years ago? How many Black men you know who regularly tune into Oprah?

 

You easily desparage Welsing and elevate Oprah. I don't get it...

 

Of course there are still people doing good programming. Rock Newman has a good program it is  (was) a local program, but i get to see it because it is on Youtube. And it is not decades old. There is years worth of new content published on youtube everyday. Part of what i do is share good shows on this site. -- i even share oprah's stuff even though i dont personally care for it but i know others, like you, do 

 

The reality is most people get their news from social media. So we consume a diet of 45's tweets and Jessie Smollett updates 

 

I've probably exposed myself to a far greater variety of Black folk than most. Bubble... nah you are way off the mark there @Cynique but you keep watching TV and consuming a steady diet of social media.

 

Social media and broadcast TV are two platforms I've chosen to stop consuming information from, because that is actually were filter bubbles are born. 

 

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Troy said:

You easily desparage Welsing and elevate Oprah. I don't get it...

I  didn't disparage Frances.  i put her in perspective. What's so hard about getting that???  Oprah didn't rise from her humble beginnings and ascend to where she is by being shallow  Her black experience is  more authentic than a product of middleclass  upbringing like Frances.  Maybe you wouldn't be so adverse to "O" if you weren't framing her in her talk show vein of the past instead of her more in depth venues of the present. (Did you know she is also a correspondent on 60 Minutes now?) 

 

And yes, i  will keep reading articles that social media provides links to, and i will keep listening to broadcast TV and getting news from them along with other sources because i want to broaden my awareness, not narrow it. And anybody who doesn't do this is in a bubble. I want a full course on my plate, not just one dish. i watch Public TV every night and i can speak with authority on how it compares with network TV.  And their news overage isn't vastly different from network TV.  And at this very moment i am watching the Daily Show with Trevor Noah who is having a one-on-one in depth conversation with a distinguished black guest.  BTW, i've never really gotten it clear where this esoteric realm is that you get your pure news from?  Mount Olympus?

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3 hours ago, Cynique said:

I  didn't disparage Frances.  i put her in perspective. What's so hard about getting that??? 

 

Sure you did. You called her views unorthodox. Why, because they did not fit the narrative you learned watching TV or conform to the white man's way of thinking?  Then you stopped short of pulling a Del move by dropping that unsubstantiated rumor that Welsing married a white guy -- as if that mattered. You implied her ideas were stale and out because of step with the times because if the age if the video. You are obviously not a "devotee." Please, let's call a spade a spade.

 

3 hours ago, Cynique said:

Did you know she is also a correspondent on  60 Minutes now?

 

So what! Is that your criteria; The validation of white folks? Has oprah did any stories of people who are unapologetically pro Black?

 

So watching TV broadens your horizons?! OK I'll leave that one alone.

 

@Cynique you have of habit taking general statements I make about the behavior of a group and defending them by telling me what YOU do. Please stop taking my statements about a group and making them about you. It is clouding your judgement and you ability to understand my points. 

 

4 hours ago, Cynique said:

BTW, i've never really gotten it clear where this esoteric realm is that you get your pure news from?  

 

There is no single pure source of news. If one consumes news from a single source one is being misinformed at best and lied to at worse. Where do i get my news from? I get it form a wide variery of sources and platforms. Magazines, newspapers, TV (Though not traditional broadcast), and books.

 

Look MOST people do not watch PBS like you and I. By the way I do watch 60 minutes. I have a subscription to CBS all access. 

 

Most people do not click through on links to articles on social media. So while you and i do this cynique most people do not. This is common knowledge to those in or who follow the industry.

 

What most people do is read the snippets copy and pasted on the social media platform. The social media algorithm then decides what to out in your news feed based upon what will keep you most engaged. Then people simply read and engaged with the snippets the are put in front of them.

 

When i used to read social media too often i found the opinions formed were not supported by the actual article; because no one had bothered to read it! Often links to the source articles weren't even provided and i had to run queires to find the articles.

 

If course there is the very real problem of fake news, false equivalence, and senstantalism that is the hallmark of social media. Social media's goal was NEVER to inform. So no, social media is not a "news source" for me.

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@Troy Calling somebody unorthodox is not a disparagement. Here is the definition of the word "unorthdox": contrary to what is usual, traditional, or accepted.  Synonyms:  unconventionalunusualuncommon. (Maybe i should also provide you with a definition of disparagement.) And even if unorthodox was a negative word,  i don't have to placate you and pioneer for my iconoclastic approach to this subject. In my self-proclaimed role of a  iconoclast, i seek the truth.  Why wouldn't i investigate Frances Cress Wellsing's backstory? She was a public figure. Why should she escape scrutiny?  You and pioneer are simply miffed by my rejection of whom you aggrandize because you think everybody should embrace whomever you anoint.
 
And,  yes, "60 Minutes" on CBS is my criteria  of a news program that is not a purveyor of fluff pieces. Why do you subscribe to  white CBS all access since you consider my reference to Oprah being on 60 Minutes as a sign of my believing that being on a white show validates her?  And  Frances Cress Welsing was not pro-unapologeticaly black.  The only blacks she appreciated were those who conformed to her specifications. It was her way or the highway. Just like most idealogues.
 
As for your "generalizations" always accompanied by a qualifying "most", if you, yourself,  didn't place so much weight on them while disparaging the exceptions to them,  maybe i would cut you some slack when it comes to your using them in an effort to substantiate your claims.  Case in point is the generalizing of your experience with links to social media articles being fake news or irrelevant, something which doesn't void how social media also gives links to credible articles in reputable newspapers and publications as well as up-to-the minute videos of actual news events captured by the cameras of CNN and MSNBC, as opposed to the YouTube relics you think are the gospel. You resort to cherry-picking when making your findings, then chide me for only seeing things from my point of view because i and millions of others regularly click on FaceBook links to articles that aren't fake or irrelevant.  You don't really think you are generalizing, you think that only what you say matters.  
 
Social media may revolt you but I love how FaceBook ridicules celebrities and sacred cows, providing comic relief from all the serious and depressing news of the day. And how it inspires me with the spiritual memes and Buddhist quotes that i have become a target for - because i "like" them. You can continue to brood over social media's effect on a dysfunctional society, and you can deplore TV for providing arm chair spectators with the banal entertainment and hyped-up news that's not served up the way you want it to be but the world will go on while you shake your head and wiggle your finger at all us naughty people who live our lives they way we choose to.  😝

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I did not base my use of the word disparagement based solely upon the use of the word unorthodox it was  basely upon several statements you made, which I related, not just the one. But we can agree to disagree.

 

I subscribe to CBS to watch Star Trek; yes I too enjoy "banal entertainment."   But I'll probably drop the subscription after that and watch the 60 minute segments via podcast.

 

@Cynique I understand that your personal love with affair with social media has blinded you to, or forced you to, downplay it's downsides.

 

You sound like Zuckerberg and Trump denying the impact these platform had in the last election in the face of all the evidence.  I assume you believe the findings of how social media was exploited to help get 45 into office. Assuming you do believe the findings what I don't understand is why you believe it is worth the trade off. You say you despise 45, but would you be willing to get rid of Facebook if would have stopped 45 from getting elected? 

 

Another thing I don't understand is why you give social media so much credit for providing spiritual memes and Buddhist quotes, ridiculing celebrities and sacred cows If it is not like these things did not exist before, and could not exist without, social media.

 

Again, as I've said before, I really don't what people do for fun as long as it does not effect me.  Unfortunately the even thought I don't use Facebook the fact of the matter is Facebook is mining all of our data -- without permission and even without having a Facebook account.. and all you can think about is the funny memes.

 

 

 

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@TroyYou seem to be under the impression that i live and breath FaceBook.  I don't.   It's a diversion  that i check out daily and then go about my life.    i wish you'd stick to scolding me for not caring about the danger FaceBook poses to my progeny rather than implying that i am ignorant  of its flaws  and pitfalls. How could i be,  as much as you preach to me about them?    What i say now and have always said is that I don't give a damn about the dire implications FaceBook portends. It is what it is.  A sign of the times.  You do enough worrying for both of us.  Keep at it.    

 

As far as my loving the funny memes, the Buddhist quotes and the spiritual illustrations, they provide me with instant gratification that i actually can't get anywhere else.   So shoot me... 

 

 

 

I'm back.  Had to go finish watching Michael Cohen's testimony before the House of Representatives. It's on all the major channels.  Scandalous! He's really a sleaze bag, but it takes one to known one and he boldly called the President of the United States, a lying, racist, cheating con man, and i loved it!  

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Del

 

 

Ouch

 

 

Lol......
Man, do you have ANY other role besides side-line cheerleader and instigator???

You sound like a kid who stands to the side and eggs on a school yard fight.

Image result for Kadeem hardison white men can't jump

 

 

 

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Do you have a role beyond being being a wind bag or a punching bag.

@Pioneer 

PS

I don't engage with you much and neither do your brains. However you are democratic ,because you give everyone the opportunity to own you.

Here's a list.

Troy

Kalexander 

Mel

Cynique.

 

Even the nicest sweetest person, Chevdove owned ya.

 

Let me know when you had enough. Do you realise I am insulting your ability er I mean your attempt to think (that's condescension wrapped around a metainsult)

The only thing that doesn't go over your head is the subway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I don't engage with you much and neither do your brains.

 

Lol! Yo @Pioneer1 you gonna let him punk you like Dat?! 

 

Just playing but it was funny though...

 

Y'all think we can elevate the conversation reminds me of Facebook 😉

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Lol! Yo @Pioneer1 you gonna let him punk you like Dat?! 

 

Don't be like that Troy. Pioneer is going home

 

 

 

Disneyland 

 

Pioneer is fine, his skin and head are much thicker than mine.

 

He can always let me know when he can't take it. But based on his Japanese lover story  he can take it. 

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Delano
 

Let me know when you had enough. Do you realise I am insulting your ability er I mean your attempt to think (that's condescension wrapped around a metainsult)
The only thing that doesn't go over your head is the subway.

 

Pioneer is fine, his skin and head are much thicker than mine.
He can always let me know when he can't take it. But based on his Japanese lover story he can take it.

 

Lol.....
Maybe Troy and Cynique think your jokes are funny but I think they're little "limp wristed".

They don't sound like something that comes from a brutha from The Bronx, but more like something inspired from reading a script from a fortune cookie.

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Maybe Troy and Cynique think your jokes are funny but I think they're little "limp wristed".


@Pioneer1Of course you wouldn't think they are funny because they ridicule and expose you for what you are.   And, of course, the first thing you resort to when you can't come up with a retort is to make references to your  tormenter's sexual orientation, something which seems to always be on your mind.    

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Cynique

the first thing you resort to when you can't come up with a retort is to make references to your tormenter's sexual orientation


I wouldn't consider Del a "tormentor".
How can some despondent guy who babbles incoherently and is unable to answer basic questions "torment" anyone?

I put him in the same category as you....more of a STALKER, lol.

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@ Peeonear. Unfortunately for you,  neither Del nor i place any credence in anything you say. Especially since you ignore his accurate descriptions of you.  And  you really have convinced yourself that  of all the cool guys on this board that i would  stalk a dufus like you who early-on pouted because me and the other women who posted here never take what you say seriously.  LOL.  As i have said on numerous occasions, most of what you say makes you easy pickins to dispute. Your ego just begs to be deflated.  BTW, Nubian Fellow and Gibran, if you're reading this, i sure wish you would start posting again because  i miss your interesting input.    

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BTW, Nubian Fellow and Gibran, if you're reading this, i sure wish you would start posting again because  i miss your

 

@Cynique I tagged them so that they'd see your message. 

 

@NubianFellow @Gibran I tagged then. Hopefully they can post periodically. 

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Cynique

BTW, Nubian Fellow and Gibran, if you're reading this, i sure wish you would start posting again because i miss your interesting input.


Hmmm, I wonder why Nubian Fellow doesn't post here much??????

It COULDN'T be the fact that he started a thread praising the natural beauty of Black women only to have BLACK WOMEN argue with him and challenge him point by point and THEN even declare in the very same thread how much they like the confidence and power of White men and see them as the BEST of all men!
......naw, it couldn't be that.

It must be another reason, lol.

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@Pioneer1Yes, guess i was expecting too much when i hoped Nubian Fellow wouldn't be a "one-trick pony" who had no other subject to comment on other than the conflict between black men and women, - even if he did agree with many of the things  i said about brothers, as did Gibran.  But i still have Troy and Del to make up for their loss and to keep things interesting.  

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@Pioneer1Yes, guess i was expecting too much when i hoped Nubian Fellow wouldn't be a "one-trick pony" who had no other subject to comment on other than the conflict between black men and women, - even if he did agree with many of the things  i said about brothers, as did Gibran.  But i still have Troy and Del to make up for their loss and to keep things interesting.  

 

 

 

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On 3/1/2019 at 3:46 PM, Delano said:

Even the nicest sweetest person, Chevdove owned ya.

 

LOL! 

I love Delano! 

On 3/1/2019 at 9:17 PM, Troy said:

Just playing but it was funny though...

 

LOL. It was funny. But @Pioneer1 knows I love him too.

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On 3/4/2019 at 1:17 AM, Pioneer1 said:

Maybe Troy and Cynique think your jokes are funny but I think they're little "limp wristed".

They don't sound like something that comes from a brutha from The Bronx, but more like something inspired from reading a script from a fortune cookie.

You are behind in points you wanna go some more, Cabeza de Piedra. 

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Chev

LOL. It was funny. But @Pioneer1 knows I love him too.


Nothing but love this way sis!

 



Del

You are behind in points you wanna go some more, Cabeza de Piedra.


Do I want to go some more??
That's a question for your boyfriend at night, not me...lol.

Besides, you got some nerve to criticize me when...... tu comprende como loco perro......lol.

 

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On 3/6/2019 at 9:15 AM, Pioneer1 said:


Cynique

BTW, Nubian Fellow and Gibran, if you're reading this, i sure wish you would start posting again because i miss your interesting input.


Hmmm, I wonder why Nubian Fellow doesn't post here much??????

It COULDN'T be the fact that he started a thread praising the natural beauty of Black women only to have BLACK WOMEN argue with him and challenge him point by point and THEN even declare in the very same thread how much they like the confidence and power of White men and see them as the BEST of all men!
......naw, it couldn't be that.

It must be another reason, lol.

Good morning. I am still alive and kicking. Just trying to assess whether I'm coming or going which is not new for me. I sometimes have the tendency to lose steam after going full pursuit of some goal. That is my Achilles heel. Add to this the fact that I don't simply have "a bump in the road" when it comes to adversity. I encounter "ROAD BLOCKS". In any event, I must confess that I am in a phase of my life where I am losing faith in everything. How odd is it to age and to realize that your dream really was the impossible one.  It is 7 am and I am heading out on a three day road trip to clear my head. Will be touch when I shake my demons. Peace

 

 

 

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