Blacks commit 60% of ALL violent crime — but only 14% of the population

[JakeFromNY]

8 minutes ago, Jeffr586 said:

Not at all, we know that those cities are dangerous. We also know why those cities are dangerous, but when somebody comes on here and tries to point out those cities without pointing out other things like guns, kill more white people than they do Black people there's a problem. Nobody wants fingers pointed at them, especially by someone whose main purpose is to make them look bad.

It's like if you talk about drugs and drug dealers people automatically assume that a drug dealer is black, but they are way more white drug dealers in our black drug dealers. I'm not saying that it is not a problem in our communities, but don't come pointing your finger at our communities if you don't wanna point the finger back at your own community.

Furthermore, most of these guns that are used in our black communities come from outside communities who are lenient on Guns... They are literally pumping them into our neighborhoods, because they know what's gonna happen when we get them and there in lies the problem. 

Cities like New York, and New Jersey have filed lawsuits against North Carolina, and South Carolina. Where are the gun laws or more lenient and where the majority of their violent crime guns come from.

If you want to help, that's one thing, but if you want to talk trash and point fingers, that's another.

 

Thank you. I agree that racism is a complex issue and not a fault of a single group (group as in not just different races but leaders, politicians, the wealthy, the poor, etc) but focusing on the violent crimes in the U.S. by young black men, what are some of the solutions the intelligent black people are proposing? I understand other races commit crimes too but for the sake of focus, I would like to stay on topic of young black men. I know this has been said before, but having an active father in their lives, better role models, higher education, I think would get them there. How can we help to push them towards this direction? Should the prominent black leaders, celebrities, and athletes preach these more? I do think prominent figures in the black community would have stronger influence.

 

FYI, I'm a conservative who shares a lot of views of Thomas Sowell. He said something along the line of if you have the skills that are desirable in society, such as economical skills (running a successful business for example) or technical skills (engineers, scientists, doctors) and if there are enough in the group with these skills, eventually, the group cannot be held back even if others try to. The examples he gave are the Jews and the Chinese in the US and Chinese minority in Malaysia. Another group I can think of are Indian minorities in African countries.

 

 

 

[JakeFromNY]

25 minutes ago, Jeffr586 said:

The majority of the welfare recipients in America or Caucasian yet the face of welfare in America is black. Those white recipients receive welfare in the countryside of the US without any scrutiny, but a mother in an inner-city has to have a job that pays her nowhere near enough to take care of her family, which she stays away from for most of the day to provide.

The statistics on welfare seems debatable, some saying blacks receive more per capita while others saying numbers are skewed to make it look like black are receiving more than they are. This could be a big topic on it's own but this aside, what about encouraging young black women and men to have kids later in life? When they are more financially secure? Wouldn't this help to rely less on welfare? This sort of links back to my earlier post about encouraging young people to get skills that are desirable in society.

 

[Jeffr586]

23 minutes ago, JakeFromNY said:

 

Thank you. I agree that racism is a complex issue and not a fault of a single group (group as in not just different races but leaders, politicians, the wealthy, the poor, etc) but focusing on the violent crimes in the U.S. by young black men, what are some of the solutions the intelligent black people are proposing? I understand other races commit crimes too but for the sake of focus, I would like to stay on topic of young black men. I know this has been said before, but having an active father in their lives, better role models, higher education, I think would get them there. How can we help to push them towards this direction? Should the prominent black leaders, celebrities, and athletes preach these more? I do think prominent figures in the black community would have stronger influence.

 

FYI, I'm a conservative who shares a lot of views of Thomas Sowell. He said something along the line of if you have the skills that are desirable in society, such as economical skills (running a successful business for example) or technical skills (engineers, scientists, doctors) and if there are enough in the group with these skills, eventually, the group cannot be held back even if others try to. The examples he gave are the Jews and the Chinese in the US and Chinese minority in Malaysia. Another group I can think of are Indian minorities in African countries.

 

 

 

Check this out, those minorities that you've talked about. They have been successful in America because they can get a business loan. They're not giving business loans to Black people in the hood. That's where we can start. Any quality is still our biggest enemy. 

I had a friend of my wife, whose father came here from India tell me that it was easy to pull himself up by his bootstraps because he worked hard he came over got a loan and open a gas station. How many Black people do you think they're gonna give loans to to open a gas station?

There are plenty of ways where we can make our black communities stronger and better, but they all start with equal opportunities. We can start with paying their parents a fair wage so they don't have to work three or four jobs and leave a six year old home in apartment most of the day by themselves.

Black leaders can only do but so much talking, if these kids are hungry and starving and have no guidance, Martin Luther  King and Jesus himself can't change the path they are headed in.

It always kills me during Thanksgiving and Christmas people want to go and hand out turkey dinners to the people who are starving. Where the hell were you the whole year? Where were you when it came time to vote for policies that would help these people? These problems aren't problems that clear up when you feel like it, it has to be a commitment from everyone.

By the time these kids get to high school and have been fending for themselves for 6  years, do you really think they wanna listen to anything anyone else has to say. They're well on their way to doing whatever the hell they want to do because nobody cared when they needed them the most.

Bottom line is put your policies where your heart is. If you truly want to see, changing these communities, you would stop voting for people who only want to see these communities fail. 

[Jeffr586]

32 minutes ago, JakeFromNY said:

The statistics on welfare seems debatable, some saying blacks receive more per capita while others saying numbers are skewed to make it look like black are receiving more than they are. This could be a big topic on it's own but this aside, what about encouraging young black women and men to have kids later in life? When they are more financially secure? Wouldn't this help to rely less on welfare? This sort of links back to my earlier post about encouraging young people to get skills that are desirable in society.

 

I don't see anybody, encouraging white kids to have kids later in life and my high school was full of young white girls who were pregnant. Keep in mind I'm not one of the statistics that you're talking about, my dad was a principal and my mom was an English teacher. But in those jobs they've done more to help all communities there anybody running then mouth on the Internet. 

The statistics of black teenagers getting pregnant, more often than whites also reflects on the fact that their parents are working too much and too hard to keep an eye on them. As far as welfare whites have always even per capita used more resources. And if you take into account farm subsidies, and other sources of government help, they weigh supersede, anything that someone in the hood is getting. It's literally peanuts or pennies on the dollar. Even these giant companies get government kickbacks that way, supersede anything that these communities receive.

Imagine taking some of those million dollar government subsidies going to these companies and putting them into resources in these neighborhoods... Now that could do wonders. I've always thought it funny that someone who could barely afford to put shoes on their kids feet getting $1000 a month is a strain on the economy but a company who hasn't paid taxes and taking this person's income tax as a subsidy is fair.

1 minute ago, Jeffr586 said:

I don't see anybody, encouraging white kids to have kids later in life and my high school was full of young white girls who were pregnant. Keep in mind I'm not one of the statistics that you're talking about, my dad was a principal and my mom was an English teacher. But in those jobs they've done more to help all communities there anybody running then mouth on the Internet. 

The statistics of black teenagers getting pregnant, more often than whites also reflects on the fact that their parents are working too much and too hard to keep an eye on them. As far as welfare whites have always even per capita used more resources. And if you take into account farm subsidies, and other sources of government help, they weigh supersede, anything that someone in the hood is getting. It's literally peanuts or pennies on the dollar. Even these giant companies get government kickbacks that way, supersede anything that these communities receive.

Imagine taking some of those million dollar government subsidies going to these companies and putting them into resources in these neighborhoods... Now that could do wonders. I've always thought it funny that someone who could barely afford to put shoes on their kids feet getting $1000 a month is a strain on the economy but a company who hasn't paid taxes and taking this person's income tax as a subsidy is fair.

My wife and I along with my 19 year old son have been living in what used to be rural now the suburbs of Raleigh, North Carolina for over 22 years. I remember being home some days that I didn't go to work for one reason or the other, and going to the grocery store and watching these white people come in with their government, subsidy cards, and buying food when they thought everybody else was at work.

I worked in news at Fox 22 in Raleigh North Carolina for about five years as a photo journalist. I've always had access to the numbers of the actual crimes being committed, and who's getting government subsidies. And it was surprising how many crimes were committed in the countryside of our viewing area. But guess what nobody was driving all the way out 45 miles to cover Jimmy's crime, when they could go right up the street from the TV station and cover Raheem's crime. It was convenient and it fit the narrative, but the statistic showed that the same number of crimes were occurring when you had the same amount of people in an area. Which means that if they are 1 million people in a city, you take that sing million people in the countryside and you would have the same amount of crime. It just doesn't get reported or if it does, it have to be so big that they cannot sweep it under the rug.

[JakeFromNY]

1 hour ago, Jeffr586 said:

Check this out, those minorities that you've talked about. They have been successful in America because they can get a business loan. They're not giving business loans to Black people in the hood. That's where we can start. Any quality is still our biggest enemy. 

I had a friend of my wife, whose father came here from India tell me that it was easy to pull himself up by his bootstraps because he worked hard he came over got a loan and open a gas station. How many Black people do you think they're gonna give loans to to open a gas station?

There are plenty of ways where we can make our black communities stronger and better, but they all start with equal opportunities. We can start with paying their parents a fair wage so they don't have to work three or four jobs and leave a six year old home in apartment most of the day by themselves.

What do you think is the cause for these others groups being able to get loans while blacks can not? Could it be the reputation built up over many years? In another word "credit"? Or blacks getting discriminated purely for being black and no other reasons?

 

It seems the Jews and Chinese received pretty harsh discrimination as well. Antisemitism in general, systematic exclusion of the Jews in the white-collar profession which forced them to seek professions in areas the whites cared less about at the time such as textile/garment industry, film industry (eventually Hollywood), banking because for centuries, Jews were excluded from professional guilds and denied the right to own land, forcing them to work as merchants and financiers (more historic than limited to the states). One can argue Jews were the most discriminated people in history (don't think I need to give examples here).

 

As for the Chinese, The Naturalization Act of 1870, which extended citizenship rights to African Americans but barred Chinese from naturalization on the grounds that they and other Asians could not be assimilated into American society. The Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, the first law to racially exclude persons and leave them intentionally unprotected by law. Japanese Internment Camps of WW2 (not Chinese but Asians). Asiatic Barred Zone Act of 1917 which aimed to raise taxes on adult immigrants and discourage Asian immigrants further. Rest are more anecdotal but I have many Asian friends since the grade school years and I saw their parents come to the states near penniless, worked literally every day 14-16 hours a day, saved enough to start their own business and succeed. Another parents, similar background, worked under a white business owner for many years, built a trust with the white owner therefore the white owner sold the business to them for monthly payment for the next 10 years. They eventually paid off the loan, the business became theirs, very successful but still working very hard.

 

Above are just giving some examples, and I'm sure someone can dissect my above examples and argue how blacks were discriminated more and some of it could even have strong basis, but at the same time, others can say this is all subjective and then we go back to the blame game. The end result however it seems is these two groups are in much better place socioeconomically and I don't think it came from the society all of sudden liking these groups more.

 

Once again, I'm not trying to get into the blame game, more of a counter argument. Would you agree people tend to perform better if there is nothing to blame or choose not to blame and just focus on improving? Is there anything we can learn from these two groups? Let's say blacks did/are getting discriminated more and there is nothing we can do about that part, what do you think needs to be done then?

 

 

[Jeffr586]

5 minutes ago, JakeFromNY said:

What do you think is the cause for these others groups being able to get loans while blacks can not? Could it be the reputation built up over many years? In another word "credit"? Or blacks getting discriminated purely for being black and no other reasons?

 

It seems the Jews and Chinese received pretty harsh discrimination as well. Antisemitism in general, systematic exclusion of the Jews in the white-collar profession which forced them to seek professions in areas the whites cared less about at the time such as textile/garment industry, film industry (eventually Hollywood), banking because for centuries, Jews were excluded from professional guilds and denied the right to own land, forcing them to work as merchants and financiers (more historic than limited to the states). One can argue Jews were the most discriminated people in history (don't think I need to give examples here).

 

As for the Chinese, The Naturalization Act of 1870, which extended citizenship rights to African Americans but barred Chinese from naturalization on the grounds that they and other Asians could not be assimilated into American society. The Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, the first law to racially exclude persons and leave them intentionally unprotected by law. Japanese Internment Camps of WW2 (not Chinese but Asians). Asiatic Barred Zone Act of 1917 which aimed to raise taxes on adult immigrants and discourage Asian immigrants further. Rest are more anecdotal but I have many Asian friends since the grade school years and I saw their parents come to the states near penniless, worked literally every day 14-16 hours a day, saved enough to start their own business and succeed. Another parents, similar background, worked under a white business owner for many years, built a trust with the white owner therefore the white owner sold the business to them for monthly payment for the next 10 years. They eventually paid off the loan, the business became theirs, very successful but still working very hard.

 

Above are just giving some examples, and I'm sure someone can dissect my above examples and argue how blacks were discriminated more and some of it could even have strong basis, but at the same time, others can say this is all subjective and then we go back to the blame game. The end result however it seems is these two groups are in much better place socioeconomically and I don't think it came from the society all of sudden liking these groups more.

 

Once again, I'm not trying to get into the blame game, more of a counter argument. Would you agree people tend to perform better if there is nothing to blame or choose not to blame and just focus on improving? Is there anything we can learn from these two groups? Let's say blacks did/are getting discriminated more and there is nothing we can do about that part, what do you think needs to be done then?

 

 

They've been stacking the decks for decades... You can't tell me, you didn't know this?

"For decades, U.S. banks denied mortgages to Black families—and those belonging to other racial and ethnic minority groups—who lived in certain areas redlined by a federal government agency called the Home Owners' Loan Corp. (HOLC)."

https://www.investopedia.com/the-history-of-lending-discrimination-5076948#:~:text=For decades%2C U.S. banks denied,(HOLC).

2 minutes ago, Jeffr586 said:

They've been stacking the decks for decades... You can't tell me, you didn't know this?

"For decades, U.S. banks denied mortgages to Black families—and those belonging to other racial and ethnic minority groups—who lived in certain areas redlined by a federal government agency called the Home Owners' Loan Corp. (HOLC)."

https://www.investopedia.com/the-history-of-lending-discrimination-5076948#:~:text=For decades%2C U.S. banks denied,(HOLC).

Every last culture you talked about, still considers them selves better than blacks, and will gang up to discriminate against us, All the while copying is stealing everything we do from the way we dress to the things we create, and then point their fingers in our faces, and tell us, we are not good enough, and that somehow everything that we've already done to prove our worth is not worthy of their accolades.

 

The sad part is all of those cultures you talked about got access to the United States because of the hard work African-Americans put in to free everyone. We still didn't get access to the funds that everyone else did. My grandfather went to war in World War II for a country that wouldn't even let him use the same bathroom. Policies and regulations were put into place to keep us from succeeding and still are.

All you have to do is look at the voting restraint laws that Republicans are trying to put in place right now to keep black communities from being able to access the same services to vote as other communities. that is not a blame game that is the truth and it's happening now. This is not some 50 years ago. This is today tomorrow next week next month next year that these policies are being forced on our communities. They're not doing that in Jewish communities. They're not doing that in Chinatown. But almost every African-American community these laws and policies are being put in place. Again that's not the blame game that is the game..
 

It cracks me up. When I hear white people say Black people need to get over it, you first!!! Our color is the first thing anyone sees and we can't hide that. Jews don't have to be Jews if they don't want to. Our skin says we are black every day of the week every minute of the day and every year of our life.

I'm not trying to get into the blame game, but the person who created this article was definitely in the blame game. 

[Jeffr586]

16 minutes ago, Jeffr586 said:

They've been stacking the decks for decades... You can't tell me, you didn't know this?

"For decades, U.S. banks denied mortgages to Black families—and those belonging to other racial and ethnic minority groups—who lived in certain areas redlined by a federal government agency called the Home Owners' Loan Corp. (HOLC)."

https://www.investopedia.com/the-history-of-lending-discrimination-5076948#:~:text=For decades%2C U.S. banks denied,(HOLC).

Every last culture you talked about, still considers them selves better than blacks, and will gang up to discriminate against us, All the while copying is stealing everything we do from the way we dress to the things we create, and then point their fingers in our faces, and tell us, we are not good enough, and that somehow everything that we've already done to prove our worth is not worthy of their accolades.

 

The sad part is all of those cultures you talked about got access to the United States because of the hard work African-Americans put in to free everyone. We still didn't get access to the funds that everyone else did. My grandfather went to war in World War II for a country that wouldn't even let him use the same bathroom. Policies and regulations were put into place to keep us from succeeding and still are.

All you have to do is look at the voting restraint laws that Republicans are trying to put in place right now to keep black communities from being able to access the same services to vote as other communities. that is not a blame game that is the truth and it's happening now. This is not some 50 years ago. This is today tomorrow next week next month next year that these policies are being forced on our communities. They're not doing that in Jewish communities. They're not doing that in Chinatown. But almost every African-American community these laws and policies are being put in place. Again that's not the blame game that is the game..
 

It cracks me up. When I hear white people say Black people need to get over it, you first!!! Our color is the first thing anyone sees and we can't hide that. Jews don't have to be Jews if they don't want to. Our skin says we are black every day of the week every minute of the day and every year of our life.

I'm not trying to get into the blame game, but the person who created this article was definitely in the blame game. 

Do you want to know what it looks like for a black man like me who is not one of the statistics that you're talking about who has been busting his butt for the last 30 years?

I have train almost everyone in my department, including my now supervisor who is White. I can almost promise you that the skills that I possess and the work that I have done over the last 30 years if I had been white, I would have been top dog. So let's not try to equate apples to apples when what we're really looking at is apples to raisins.

The same people will sit in a meeting listen to me, come up with a great idea act like they didn't hear it and then two weeks later is there idea. That's America to a black person, a leech that can't be trusted and will suck your blood if given the chance.

[JakeFromNY]

9 minutes ago, Jeffr586 said:

and those belonging to other racial and ethnic minority groups

Those acts are from many decades ago. Once again blame game aside, what can blacks do to get out of this, in particular for the young black men arguably committing disproportionately high number of violent crimes? Are the current working age black adults willing to work 14-16 hours a day to save enough to buy a business or a house outright if they can't get a loan? Or at least enough to move to a better neighborhood and get off welfare and provide more to the children even if means working to your bones like other ethnic groups have done? Or are you saying their is no hope and need to resign to the fate unless the government/institutions are willing to give out loans without any background check (this is not a viable solution whether you or I like it or not)? So far you have shown me many potential causes which I already mostly know and can sympathize with but near zero potential solutions. No disrespect and although important in the big picture, the focus was not history lessons in every discussion, more about finding solutions.

[Jeffr586]

2 minutes ago, Jeffr586 said:

Do you want to know what it looks like for a black man like me who is not one of the statistics that you're talking about who has been busting his butt for the last 30 years?

I have train almost everyone in my department, including my now supervisor who is White. I can almost promise you that the skills that I possess and the work that I have done over the last 30 years if I had been white, I would have been top dog. So let's not try to equate apples to apples when what we're really looking at is apples to raisins.

The same people will sit in a meeting listen to me, come up with a great idea act like they didn't hear it and then two weeks later is there idea. That's America to a black person, a leech that can't be trusted and will suck your blood if given the chance.

I'll say this about the blame game and then I'll leave it alone, this whole post was about the blame game but unless you're  culture fixes their problems we can't fix ours. We are products of our society, a society that many groups would like to stay on top off and control. We have the best athletes, some of the best minds that have ever lived, and have proven that when, given the opportunity we can be the best in anything we set out to achieve. It only takes one of us to show the world. How was done, and there are plenty examples of that from the Williams sisters to Tiger Woods to Lewis Hamilton to Neil deGrasse Tyson, all the way up to the President of the United States of America. And that my friend is why we don't get the support and funding that we need to bring our communities out of the darkness. It's because people are scared that if we have equal playing ground, we will dominate all things in society and that's just not my thought process, they show it by the processes, they enact to keep us down. Then constantly berate us with why haven't you done better knowing good and damn well that they fix the game.

[JakeFromNY]

11 minutes ago, Jeffr586 said:

Do you want to know what it looks like for a black man like me who is not one of the statistics that you're talking about who has been busting his butt for the last 30 years?

If more black men were like you, I don't think we would be having this conversation, and reputation of the black community on par with any other "model minority" (although I don't even like the term). I do believe more people judge based on the content of the character rather than color but at the same time, stereotyping exists for a reason. It is rough road but one must be willing the tread it if they expect things to get better.

48 minutes ago, Jeffr586 said:

Every last culture you talked about, still considers them selves better than blacks, and will gang up to discriminate against us, All the while copying is stealing everything we do from the way we dress to the things we create, and then point their fingers in our faces, and tell us, we are not good enough, and that somehow everything that we've already done to prove our worth is not worthy of their accolades.

Once again, not a blame but a rebuttal. I mentioned I have a lot of Asian friends since the grade school years. Many of their parents owned stores in the predominantly black neighborhoods. Some got along with the black customers well, even became friends. Other parents got robbed, things stolen, held to a gun point, called racial slurs, physically attacked, pretty much every horrible thing one human can to do another. You cannot expect the latter to have good impressions and love the black community unconditionally, it goes both ways. 

[Jeffr586]

34 minutes ago, JakeFromNY said:

Those acts are from many decades ago. Once again blame game aside, what can blacks do to get out of this, in particular for the young black men arguably committing disproportionately high number of violent crimes? Are the current working age black adults willing to work 14-16 hours a day to save enough to buy a business or a house outright if they can't get a loan? Or at least enough to move to a better neighborhood and get off welfare and provide more to the children even if means working to your bones like other ethnic groups have done? Or are you saying their is no hope and need to resign to the fate unless the government/institutions are willing to give out loans without any background check (this is not a viable solution whether you or I like it or not)? So far you have shown me many potential causes which I already mostly know and can sympathize with but near zero potential solutions. No disrespect and although important in the big picture, the focus was not history lessons in every discussion, more about finding solutions.

Realtors and lenders were just fine for trying to keep Black people from buying homes in my communities. Mind you 22 years ago my family and about five others were the only black families around here and these lending agencies were found guilty just four years ago. This is in the past this is the present. And I don't have to explain to you what home ownership can do for your lending prowess. You can't get home equity loans when you live in apartment, but you can if you live in a house.

Furthermore, I gave you plenty things that could be done to help. One would be for these companies who are taking these people who work 14 hours a day and don't get to see the kids that you are talking about growing up to become criminals a fair wage... that would help!!!

People crack me up like Black people don't work we've been busting our butts more then any race in this country for years for pennies on the dollar ad that. If anybody's lazy is the same people who are trying to call us lazy. When is the last time you drove through the country size of America and found enough work for the white folks that live out there to contribute to society? You can't because it doesn't happen. There are no businesses out there for them yet and still they sit on their porches, watch Fox News and yell that Black people are their problem. How about we stop giving them welfare because they are no businesses where they live and let the people in the cities who are busting their butts 14 hours a day while the kids sit at home with no guidance their money back since these people can't stop talking junk about them.

Yeah, that's one thing we can do give the taxes back to the people who are paying them the people in the blue states and blue areas of the states who work those 14 hour day jobs leaving their kids unattended. Let's give their taxes back to them and stop feeding the folks sitting on their front porch out in the countryside of America, who are using up all the resources that would be a start.

And again, that's not a blame game that is a fact.

https://www.moneygeek.com/living/states-most-reliant-federal-government/

https://www.businessinsider.com/red-states-are-welfare-queens-2011-8

[Jeffr586]

My biggest problem is people talking reckless about our communities, and don't seem to have an answer for their own. I will say this again if other cultures will get their stuff together, they wouldn't have to blame us for every thing. You've definitely got plenty of work to do in your own community instead of talking junk about ours. If you want to help, start with your legislative choices and policies.

If you want to stop the violence in our community, make sure that the serial number on these guns and who sold them to these people who are committing these crimes in our communities go to jail, just as long as the person who pulled the trigger. I bet you'll see a change then. Yup make these gun shops on the outskirts of these big cities who can't seem to stop selling to unlawful gun owners pay for selling to unlawful gun owners for the crimes that these unlawful gun owners commit. I bet you'll see a difference in gun violence in our communities then.

 

32 minutes ago, JakeFromNY said:

If more black men were like you, I don't think we would be having this conversation, and reputation of the black community on par with any other "model minority" (although I don't even like the term). I do believe more people judge based on the content of the character rather than color but at the same time, stereotyping exists for a reason. It is rough road but one must be willing the tread it if they expect things to get better.

Once again, not a blame but a rebuttal. I mentioned I have a lot of Asian friends since the grade school years. Many of their parents owned stores in the predominantly black neighborhoods. Some got along with the black customers well, even became friends. Other parents got robbed, things stolen, held to a gun point, called racial slurs, physically attacked, pretty much every horrible thing one human can to do another. You cannot expect the latter to have good impressions and love the black community unconditionally, it goes both ways. 

And that explains it, you just mention Asians being able to own shops in black communities and you think Black people are happy about that? I love to see how it would go with a black person own in the shop in Asian community or Jewish community or white community... Probably not so well. I hate to keep bringing up where I live now, but it makes a difference. 22 years ago my wife and I bought this house in a county that still had a sign up that said welcome to Clayton the home of the KKK. I bet my Land Rover with a U-Haul trailer up to the house and you should've seen the neighbors looking. That scene day I went to the gas station to buy beer for my brother and cousin who helped us move in, and you would've thought I came in there and rob the place...LOL... A week later, I'm in the grocery store, as I'm leaving out, this white lady was in front of me walking to a Ford Tempo, nonetheless, which happened to be part beside my Land Rover. She clutched her purse like she had something for me to steal as she put the key into her door. I hit the auto unlock button on my truck and her jaw dropped.. I'm saying that to say this per the FBI report, the robbery rate and crime rate is not zero for the white community. She probably should've been more concerned with the guy that had the trench coat on in 80° weather....LOL

Again, look at these numbers... Until your community as a goose egg or you willing to help my community stop talking about my community because by you saying no blame game you're playing the blame game. Just like when people say no offense, you know, something offensive is about to come behind it.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43

[Jeffr586]

16 minutes ago, Jeffr586 said:

My biggest problem is people talking reckless about our communities, and don't seem to have an answer for their own. I will say this again if other cultures will get their stuff together, they wouldn't have to blame us for every thing. You've definitely got plenty of work to do in your own community instead of talking junk about ours. If you want to help, start with your legislative choices and policies.

If you want to stop the violence in our community, make sure that the serial number on these guns and who sold them to these people who are committing these crimes in our communities go to jail, just as long as the person who pulled the trigger. I bet you'll see a change then. Yup make these gun shops on the outskirts of these big cities who can't seem to stop selling to unlawful gun owners pay for selling to unlawful gun owners for the crimes that these unlawful gun owners commit. I bet you'll see a difference in gun violence in our communities then.

 

And that explains it, you just mention Asians being able to own shops in black communities and you think Black people are happy about that? I love to see how it would go with a black person own in the shop in Asian community or Jewish community or white community... Probably not so well. I hate to keep bringing up where I live now, but it makes a difference. 22 years ago my wife and I bought this house in a county that still had a sign up that said welcome to Clayton the home of the KKK. I bet my Land Rover with a U-Haul trailer up to the house and you should've seen the neighbors looking. That scene day I went to the gas station to buy beer for my brother and cousin who helped us move in, and you would've thought I came in there and rob the place...LOL... A week later, I'm in the grocery store, as I'm leaving out, this white lady was in front of me walking to a Ford Tempo, nonetheless, which happened to be part beside my Land Rover. She clutched her purse like she had something for me to steal as she put the key into her door. I hit the auto unlock button on my truck and her jaw dropped.. I'm saying that to say this per the FBI report, the robbery rate and crime rate is not zero for the white community. She probably should've been more concerned with the guy that had the trench coat on in 80° weather....LOL

Again, look at these numbers... Until your community as a goose egg or you willing to help my community stop talking about my community because by you saying no blame game you're playing the blame game. Just like when people say no offense, you know, something offensive is about to come behind it.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43

Meanwhile, in this community that I live in over the last 22 years, there has been a guy who decided to kill his whole family, as a matter of fact, that's happened several times and numerous break-ins and vandalism by young whites, including one break in that happened across the street from me with the neighbors cousin being the burglar. I grew up in an all black neighborhood and so did my wife who is from Philadelphia and not once did anybody kill their whole family, nor did someone's cousin break into their house. I can only imagine what happens in the trailer parks, especially with the statistics showing that its definitely happening.

[JakeFromNY]

1 hour ago, Jeffr586 said:

All the while copying is stealing everything we do from the way we dress to the things we create, and then point their fingers in our faces, and tell us, we are not good enough, and that somehow everything that we've already done to prove our worth is not worthy of their accolades.

Once again, not important to the main focus here but this a distorted view. Everyone copies everyone. Who invented jeans, sneakers? modern suit? Baseball cap? Are you copying whites for using this computer who invented computers? Or using an iPhone? Gucci bags? Starting to sound ridiculous right? And black people with respectable achievements and abilities are celebrated and loved around the world. Like you mentioned, Neil deGrasse Tyson, Obama, Martin Luther King Jr., Thomas Sowell, athletes like Michael Jordan, Lebron, Kobe, Tiger Woods, singers like Michael Jackson, Mariah Carey, Stevie Wonders, and so on and so on. For content of their character and not color. I'm trying to show a mutual respect and empathy here but you are sounding more bitter and bitter as we exchange. A lot of non blacks are really trying to get along, find a solution and even getting called woke, PC, left, or whatever else.

[JakeFromNY]

27 minutes ago, Jeffr586 said:

Meanwhile, in this community that I live in over the last 22 years, there has been a guy who decided to kill his whole family, as a matter of fact, that's happened several times and numerous break-ins and vandalism by young whites, including one break in that happened across the street from me with the neighbors cousin being the burglar. I grew up in an all black neighborhood and so did my wife who is from Philadelphia and not once did anybody kill their whole family, nor did someone's cousin break into their house. I can only imagine what happens in the trailer parks, especially with the statistics showing that its definitely happening.

We are going in circles here. Can't continue the conversation. You started off as acknowledging the problem, then quickly became full on blame game. We are talking about young black men committing the most violent crimes backed up by FBI statistics and all you did was blame the white men and other minorities, totally ignoring the reason for their success, giving them zero credit. And we are at a point where you are labeling white people as family killing demons that are forcing black men to use their guns to kill people, really?

 

If anyone else want to discuss about a practical solution that does not involve telling me it is everyone else's fault, please let me know,

 

[Jeffr586]

5 hours ago, JakeFromNY said:

We are going in circles here. Can't continue the conversation. You started off as acknowledging the problem, then quickly became full on blame game. We are talking about young black men committing the most violent crimes backed up by FBI statistics and all you did was blame the white men and other minorities, totally ignoring the reason for their success, giving them zero credit. And we are at a point where you are labeling white people as family killing demons that are forcing black men to use their guns to kill people, really?

 

If anyone else want to discuss about a practical solution that does not involve telling me it is everyone else's fault, please let me know,

 

That's funny, you're saying I continue to blame others but I didn't hear any recommendations on how you're gonna help our communities or how you can even stop your own communities from being so violent as well. I tell you what, you fix your problems first and then come back and tell us how to fix ours until then I suggest you tried not to talk about our communities and talk more about fixing yours, because there's plenty of stuff you can work on in your own.

It kind of reminds me of how Republicans always seem to know an abscess over gays to the point they would make legislation about them. I don't wake up thinking about gay people and their lifestyle. I don't wake up thinking about white people and their lifestyles. But you all can't seem to stop obsessing about everybody else's problems when you have the bulk of them.

If you wanna help us help yourself, because when you stop putting obstructions in front of us we can help ourselves. That might not be the answer you wanna hear but that is the truth and until you stop racism and systematic oppression these neighbourhoods are going to continue to have problems including yours. Why? Because we are all intertwined. I don't know what answer you were looking for but I've given you plenty of them on how to fix the problem and you don't seem to want to acknowledge any of them. 

- I've talked about fair wages so people can work an 8 hour shift and take care of their families.

- I talked about letting these people keep more of their taxes instead of millionaires and billionaires being exempt from taxes.

- I talked about gun stores being responsible for the same crimes that are committed from selling guns to these criminals.

- I talked about loan practices that would allow these families to buy homes that they can borrow from like other Americans have done in the past.

* You on the other hand told me about third hand stories of your Asian friends. None that you've experienced yourself, but you heard about it. 
* You talked about our crime numbers like white people's crime numbers we're zero... Yeah OK...LOL

* You repeatedly stated no blame game as you played the blame game. Again that's like saying no offense when you're getting ready to try to offend someone... Not cool.

 

Essentially what you're doing is gaslighting and you had no intentions on coming up with any kind of solutions for our community as well as yours which by the way could use some attention as well. So with that I hope you don't comment anymore that would be great and I hope you going fine solutions for your own community and then come back and tell us how you figured it out and how it's going and what we can do to fix ours. Until then... Good Day Sir!!!
 

 

 

 

[Jeffr586]

1 hour ago, Jeffr586 said:

That's funny, you're saying I continue to blame others but I didn't hear any recommendations on how you're gonna help our communities or how you can even stop your own communities from being so violent as well. I tell you what, you fix your problems first and then come back and tell us how to fix ours until then I suggest you tried not to talk about our communities and talk more about fixing yours, because there's plenty of stuff you can work on in your own.

It kind of reminds me of how Republicans always seem to know an abscess over gays to the point they would make legislation about them. I don't wake up thinking about gay people and their lifestyle. I don't wake up thinking about white people and their lifestyles. But you all can't seem to stop obsessing about everybody else's problems when you have the bulk of them.

If you wanna help us help yourself, because when you stop putting obstructions in front of us we can help ourselves. That might not be the answer you wanna hear but that is the truth and until you stop racism and systematic oppression these neighbourhoods are going to continue to have problems including yours. Why? Because we are all intertwined. I don't know what answer you were looking for but I've given you plenty of them on how to fix the problem and you don't seem to want to acknowledge any of them. 

- I've talked about fair wages so people can work an 8 hour shift and take care of their families.

- I talked about letting these people keep more of their taxes instead of millionaires and billionaires being exempt from taxes.

- I talked about gun stores being responsible for the same crimes that are committed from selling guns to these criminals.

- I talked about loan practices that would allow these families to buy homes that they can borrow from like other Americans have done in the past.

- I talked about voter suppression that keeps the cities from voting on the policies and resources need it to better themselves.

* You on the other hand told me about third hand stories of your Asian friends. None that you've experienced yourself, but you heard about it. 
* You talked about our crime numbers like white people's crime numbers we're zero... Yeah OK...LOL

* You repeatedly stated no blame game as you played the blame game. Again that's like saying no offense when you're getting ready to try to offend someone... Not cool.

 

Essentially what you're doing is gaslighting and you had no intentions on coming up with any kind of solutions for our community as well as yours which by the way could use some attention as well. So with that I hope you don't comment anymore that would be great and I hope you going fine solutions for your own community and then come back and tell us how you figured it out and how it's going and what we can do to fix ours. Until then... Good Day Sir!!!
 

 

 

 

Funny how solutions sound like the blame game to those who are to blame for their policies.

[frankster]

1 hour ago, Jeffr586 said:

Funny how solutions sound like the blame game to those who are to blame for their policies.

I was gonna enter the conversation but you are doing such a great job....I just sat back and enjoyed your facts and eloquence

[Jeffr586]

16 minutes ago, frankster said:

I was gonna enter the conversation but you are doing such a great job....I just sat back and enjoyed your facts and eloquence

Thanks!

 

[JakeFromNY]

2 hours ago, Jeffr586 said:

If you wanna help us help yourself, because when you stop putting obstructions in front of us we can help ourselves. That might not be the answer you wanna hear but that is the truth and until you stop racism and systematic oppression these neighbourhoods are going to continue to have problems including yours. Why? Because we are all intertwined. I don't know what answer you were looking for but I've given you plenty of them on how to fix the problem and you don't seem to want to acknowledge any of them. 

- I've talked about fair wages so people can work an 8 hour shift and take care of their families.

- I talked about letting these people keep more of their taxes instead of millionaires and billionaires being exempt from taxes.

- I talked about gun stores being responsible for the same crimes that are committed from selling guns to these criminals.

- I talked about loan practices that would allow these families to buy homes that they can borrow from like other Americans have done in the past.

* You on the other hand told me about third hand stories of your Asian friends. None that you've experienced yourself, but you heard about it. 
* You talked about our crime numbers like white people's crime numbers we're zero... Yeah OK...LOL

* You repeatedly stated no blame game as you played the blame game. Again that's like saying no offense when you're getting ready to try to offend someone... Not cool.

You talk like you know all about me. I'm a software engineer manager at a software firm. I have hired and worked with a few black engineers. And yes there are relatively few black engineers but my company and I hire based on merit and not skin color. A few them are very highly respected and paid based on their merit! On the other hand, we had a black engineer who did not perform well, skipped work often but we gave him every chance to improve, for over two years. It ended up not working out and our company lost over 300k which included salary and benefits. We are short on quality engineers, we are willing to hire black engineers and compensate them well in a heart beat if they qualify!

 

I have a friend who is a professor in Stony Brook and another a post doctoral in Yale and they tell me how much the board lowers the acceptance standard for black students especially black female students and how much more strict it is for white and Asian students, especially the Asian students. I didn't even want to mention this part since this is discrimination in itself.

 

Not getting paid fairly? These companies are out to make money and making money is their number 1 goal. And making money means hiring talented people. If more black people have the desirable skills you couldn't stop these companies from wanting to hire them and pay them well. You cannot just demand higher payment without the necessary skills otherwise we will continue to run into the inflation crisis we are actually in now.

 

Third hand stories about Asian friends? No it is not like I'm reading off a news article. I know them personally and are very close and have seen the aftermath first hand.

 

You talk like every race especially the white race hate the blacks and are out to oppress them and undermine them but in my personal life and professional life, I have very rarely seen them and practically zero in my professional life. If anything, I have seen people going out of they way to be acceptable (some in part in fear of getting labeled racist). Do people people that discriminate openly and secretly exist? Of course, just like black people that openly and secretly hate other races.

 

And who said white crime rates are zero? Who was gaslighting? Mentioning other groups who are/were also discriminated but are now very successful and wondering about their method of success is gaslighting? It seems like you only want to hear what you want to hear and if anything else, you are quick to be offended.

 

3 hours ago, Jeffr586 said:

That's funny, you're saying I continue to blame others but I didn't hear any recommendations on how you're gonna help our communities or how you can even stop your own communities from being so violent as well. I tell you what, you fix your problems first and then come back and tell us how to fix ours until then I suggest you tried not to talk about our communities and talk more about fixing yours, because there's plenty of stuff you can work on in your own.

No matter what mental gymnastics you try to use, the fact remains young black men commit more violent crimes by wide margin and that was the focus of this topic. And if you just label this as fake statistics, no further discussions can be done with you.

[JakeFromNY]

44 minutes ago, frankster said:

I was gonna enter the conversation but you are doing such a great job....I just sat back and enjoyed your facts and eloquence

You and others just demonize and ridicule anyone that try to come here have a real discussion. Calling white people family killing demons who make black people shoot other people is not presenting facts and eloquence.

[JakeFromNY]

2 hours ago, Jeffr586 said:

Essentially what you're doing is gaslighting and you had no intentions on coming up with any kind of solutions for our community as well as yours which by the way could use some attention as well. So with that I hope you don't comment anymore that would be great and I hope you going fine solutions for your own community and then come back and tell us how you figured it out and how it's going and what we can do to fix ours. Until then... Good Day Sir!!!

I presented a bunch such inspecting the success of other discriminated groups, helping to get young black people desirable skills, encouraging them to have kids when they are more financially secure, ensuring they have an active father in their lives, and more but all of that just offended you more and back to how it is white people's fault. I never said the system and white people are perfect, but is that the only excuse? The black community is not strong enough to improve on its own unless influenced by other communities? That was the whole point of inspecting the success of other discriminated groups who still managed to be successful.

[Jeffr586]

59 minutes ago, JakeFromNY said:

You talk like you know all about me. I'm a software engineer manager at a software firm. I have hired and worked with a few black engineers. And yes there are relatively few black engineers but my company and I hire based on merit and not skin color. A few them are very highly respected and paid based on their merit! On the other hand, we had a black engineer who did not perform well, skipped work often but we gave him every chance to improve, for over two years. It ended up not working out and our company lost over 300k which included salary and benefits. We are short on quality engineers, we are willing to hire black engineers and compensate them well in a heart beat if they qualify!

 

I have a friend who is a professor in Stony Brook and another a post doctoral in Yale and they tell me how much the board lowers the acceptance standard for black students especially black female students and how much more strict it is for white and Asian students, especially the Asian students. I didn't even want to mention this part since this is discrimination in itself.

 

Not getting paid fairly? These companies are out to make money and making money is their number 1 goal. And making money means hiring talented people. If more black people have the desirable skills you couldn't stop these companies from wanting to hire them and pay them well. You cannot just demand higher payment without the necessary skills otherwise we will continue to run into the inflation crisis we are actually in now.

 

Third hand stories about Asian friends? No it is not like I'm reading off a news article. I know them personally and are very close and have seen the aftermath first hand.

 

You talk like every race especially the white race hate the blacks and are out to oppress them and undermine them but in my personal life and professional life, I have very rarely seen them and practically zero in my professional life. If anything, I have seen people going out of they way to be acceptable (some in part in fear of getting labeled racist). Do people people that discriminate openly and secretly exist? Of course, just like black people that openly and secretly hate other races.

 

And who said white crime rates are zero? Who was gaslighting? Mentioning other groups who are/were also discriminated but are now very successful and wondering about their method of success is gaslighting? It seems like you only want to hear what you want to hear and if anything else, you are quick to be offended.

 

Again you have come with no solutions, only talking about one black person that you hired that didn't work out Boo Hoo!!! Over the past 25 years I've seen numerous white men get hired that  were ill qualified for their positions and boy did they hide from work.

Just yesterday my supervisor who I trained by the way put out our project numbers For the last year. For the three media content producers me being one, I had 12 projects with 50 independent deliverables. My other colleague who is white has 6 projects with 30 deliverables. My other colleague who is Asian have five projects with 16 deliverables and needed assistance on most of them to complete on time and still missed deadlines. There goes your Asians work harder than everybody else theory and I'm gonna screenshot this document and show you...SMH

 

I currently work at a university as a video over IP professional and I have seen white men run from work or take so long to complete it they might as well not even have had the job so don't tell me about who's putting in the time.

 

Furthermore how do you think these people coming out of poverty can possibly afford a college degree? They can't even afford rent and you wanna talk about giving them a job if they qualify? And your universities lower the standards for black students is a bunch of crap. I'd love to hear and talk to those so-called friends you said said that because I could read them the riot act as well.

 

I'm going on my 25th year at the university I work at and if anything, these black students that come to this university have to be 10 times better than their white adversaries just to even be looked at. It's either that or they better be running touchdowns and slam dunking basketballs.

 

And you're talking about I act like I know you, I don't have to know you to read what you're saying and again the only thing you came out here to do was to point your finger at the less fortunate but like I said I'm not one of them and I have facts on my side not alternative facts.

 And if what you say is true and you're willing to hire the best candidate even if they're black, I applaud you but don't think I have to await your beckoning call when you come on a site for African Americans and start pointing your finger at what we need to do. Especially when the majority of gun deaths happen to white people from suicide. You don't see me on some white site talking about what are you gonna do about your suicide rate... along with your crime rate which by the way even per capita is still higher than ours. Yes unfortunately our black on black murder rate is way too high but your white on white rate isn't 0.

 Like I stated before we do have a major problem in our black communities and I've given many examples of how to fix it, you on the other hand seem to think you know who we are and you don't, at best all of your stories or third hand and some of them are just straight up faults.

[frankster]

41 minutes ago, JakeFromNY said:

You and others just demonize and ridicule anyone that try to come here have a real discussion. Calling white people family killing demons who make black people shoot other people is not presenting facts and eloquence.

Please show where I demonize you or anyone in this thread??

Whether or not some one is eloquent is  matter of Opinion....In My Opinion Jeffr586 was very persuasive and articulate.

Facts are usually not a matter of Opinion......What Facts was not presented?

[JakeFromNY]

3 minutes ago, Jeffr586 said:

Again you have come with no solutions, only talking about one black person that you hired that didn't work out Boo Hoo!!!

Did you miss the part about having hired other black engineers? Did you assume just 1? No, just 1 did not work out but others did work out and as mentioned, highly respected and paid. And read the next post about the solutions I posted. But you did not like them and they offended you.

6 minutes ago, frankster said:

Facts are usually not a matter of Opinion......What Facts was not presented?

But denying FBI statistic are facts?

[Jeffr586]

3 minutes ago, JakeFromNY said:

Did you miss the part about having hired other black engineers? Did you assume just 1? No, just 1 did not work out but others did work out and as mentioned, highly respected and paid. And read the next post about the solutions I posted. But you did not like them and they offended you.

But denying FBI statistic are facts?

I didn't like them and they offended me I didn't even read them where are your solutions?

[JakeFromNY]

2 minutes ago, Jeffr586 said:

I didn't like them and they offended me I didn't even read them where are your solutions?

Didn't like them and they offended you but didn't read them? Anyway

 

"I presented a bunch such inspecting the success of other discriminated groups, helping to get young black people desirable skills, encouraging them to have kids when they are more financially secure, ensuring they have an active father in their lives, and more but all of that just offended you more and back to how it is white people's fault. I never said the system and white people are perfect, but is that the only excuse? The black community is not strong enough to improve on its own unless influenced by other communities? That was the whole point of inspecting the success of other discriminated groups who still managed to be successful."

 

in response to

 

"Essentially what you're doing is gaslighting and you had no intentions on coming up with any kind of solutions for our community as well as yours which by the way could use some attention as well. So with that I hope you don't comment anymore that would be great and I hope you going fine solutions for your own community and then come back and tell us how you figured it out and how it's going and what we can do to fix ours. Until then... Good Day Sir!!!"

[Jeffr586]

22 minutes ago, JakeFromNY said:

I presented a bunch such inspecting the success of other discriminated groups, helping to get young black people desirable skills, encouraging them to have kids when they are more financially secure, ensuring they have an active father in their lives, and more but all of that just offended you more and back to how it is white people's fault. I never said the system and white people are perfect, but is that the only excuse? The black community is not strong enough to improve on its own unless influenced by other communities? That was the whole point of inspecting the success of other discriminated groups who still managed to be successful.

All of those comments you just said aren't solutions when your luck in their father's up for life on petty drug crimes that white people skip through the system on. Besides take a look at these numbers.

 When you read this you'll see what I mean about you just coming up with stuff off the top of your head that you heard someone else say not even looking up the facts.

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU00/20210929/114092/HMKP-117-JU00-20210929-SD012.pdf

[Jeffr586]

All of those comments you just said aren't solutions when your luck in their father's up for life on petty drug crimes that white people skip through the system on. Besides take a look at these numbers.

 When you read this you'll see what I mean about you just coming up with stuff off the top of your head that you heard someone else say not even looking up the facts.

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU00/20210929/114092/HMKP-117-JU00-20210929-SD012.pdf

10 minutes ago, Jeffr586 said:

All of those comments you just said aren't solutions when your lock in their father's up for life on petty drug crimes that white people skip through the system on. Besides take a look at these numbers.

 When you read this you'll see what I mean about you just coming up with stuff off the top of your head that you heard someone else say not even looking up the facts.

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU00/20210929/114092/HMKP-117-JU00-20210929-SD012.pdf

 This goes right along with what I've been saying all along, your laws are getting in our way the same laws that you skip through we get caught in the net.

 Black fathers have always been more involved in their kids life just like this article states from the government mind you, that you didn't take the time to look up you just spit out something that you thought should be true.

 And who says we aren't already doing some of the solutions that you're talking about as a matter of fact that is all we're doing but when you have a system that is rigged against you and people like you reiterating false statements that they heard about we can't make headway because the policies hold us back.

Like James Brown said I don't want nobody to give me nothing open up the door and I'll get it myself. But when that door is locked and when it is open it's only open to a few of us that song is just a song.

 And like I stated earlier how are you going to expect a kid that has been raising themselves to not to want to have sex? I stated earlier I don't see you asking white kids to not have sex and they're having plenty of it. That has never been seen as a solution just asked Sarah Palin who stated the exact comment about kids not having premarital sex while her daughter was getting pregnant. It sounds good but it's not very enforceable.

[frankster]

13 minutes ago, JakeFromNY said:

But denying FBI statistic are facts?

Present your Facts....

I have seen a lot of corroborated Facts presented by Jeffr586.....None by you

You have only presented Anecdotal stories which are not sufficient to prove regularity or being commonplace or even to stand as a true example of something that actually happened the way you presented it.

[JakeFromNY]

22 minutes ago, Jeffr586 said:

Just yesterday my supervisor who I trained by the way put out our project numbers For the last year. For the three media content producers me being one, I had 12 projects with 50 independent deliverables. My other colleague who is white has 6 projects with 30 deliverables. My other colleague who is Asian have five projects with 16 deliverables and needed assistance on most of them to complete on time and still missed deadlines. There goes your Asians work harder than everybody else theory and I'm gonna screenshot this document and show you...SMH

I believe you but this is just one example, just like how you pointed out that one black engineer that did not work out.

Once again the point is not about what black people can and cannot accomplish, I have seen plenty of talented and hard working black people. My point was and still is how to sway young black men from committing disproportionately high numbers of violent crimes.

3 minutes ago, frankster said:

Present your Facts....

I have seen a lot of corroborated Facts presented by Jeffr586.....None by you

You have only presented Anecdotal stories which are not sufficient to prove regularity or being commonplace or even to stand as a true example of something that actually happened the way you presented it.

I can present links to the FBI statistics, other statistics, relatively recent news articles and so forth but will that do any good when you will just say black crimes are reported/investigated/prosecuted more? I just didn't want to waste time on that front.

[Jeffr586]

1 minute ago, JakeFromNY said:

I believe you but this is just one example, just like how you pointed out that one black engineer that did not work out.

Once again the point is not about what black people can and cannot accomplish, I have seen plenty of talented and hard working black people. My point was and still is how to sway young black men from committing disproportionately high numbers of violent crimes.

I think it would come off more genuine if you were to say how do we keep people from committing crimes because the crime stats show that even per capita white people commit more crimes. Yes young blacks commit a high rate of homicide but what I'm trying to say to you is the systemic problems calls these problems. 

 And if you think inflation is bad because somebody at McDonald's is making a extra 50 cents to a dollar an hour you are sadly mistaken. Especially not when almost every industry is recording record profits. That is why inflation is high not some lady who can barely make her rent with three-part time jobs, this is a trickle down effect and what is trickling down is not water...LOL... 

 So let's do this, since our black communities are already doing the majority of the stuff you talked about how about we work on the systemic inequality problems IE financial situations that are holding these communities down, because I can promise you if that is not part of the solution, your checklist that we're already doing is not the answer.

And I'm sorry but I have to make this statement, we've had to do videos in the past for foreign students especially Asians to tell them not to plagiarize. It was that big of a deal at our university that we had to make a whole video about it and the underlying statement was these people cheat. Not saying all of them, but I'm speaking from experience on that one. 

And with the recent media stories of affluent white people paying for their kids to get into schools, I wouldn't talk about lowering the bar...LOL... We knew this was happening all along, just couldn't prove it because no one would listen. Kind of like with all the body Cam footage and cell phone footage of police brutality. We knew it was happening but nobody was going to listen...LOL

[Jeffr586]

https://carjiescott.com/2018/06/17/cdc-report-on-fathers-involvement-proves-that-black-dads-are-most-involved-and-the-pew-research-center-reports-that-the-role-of-the-american-dad-is-changing/

[JakeFromNY]

36 minutes ago, Jeffr586 said:

When you read this you'll see what I mean about you just coming up with stuff off the top of your head that you heard someone else say not even looking up the facts.

No I'm not coming up with these things off the top of my head. Human behavior and anthropology is my personal interest. And attributing higher rate of absent father due to things like incarceration rate, getting killed due gang activity or other crime, health problems due to life choices, largely cannot feel sympathy for. But of course getting rid of the causes would be helpful and ties back to swaying young black men from making bad choices.

[JakeFromNY]

47 minutes ago, Jeffr586 said:

I think it would come off more genuine if you were to say how do we keep people from committing crimes because the crime stats show that even per capita white people commit more crimes. Yes young blacks commit a high rate of homicide but what I'm trying to say to you is the systemic problems calls these problems. 

 And if you think inflation is bad because somebody at McDonald's is making a extra 50 cents to a dollar an hour you are sadly mistaken. Especially not when almost every industry is recording record profits. That is why inflation is high not some lady who can barely make her rent with three-part time jobs, this is a trickle down effect and what is trickling down is not water...LOL... 

Although I question white people committing more crimes overall per capita which does not seem to be the case based on the statistics I saw, I can agree that these statistics are not perfect and can get skewed based on certain factors. I can definitely agree on lowering overall crime will benefit everyone but at the same time worried about stricter laws (if we go with this route) creating more grief and more inequality/racial issues (perceived or not). Seems to be vicious circle sometimes.

 

As for "McDonald's is making an extra 50 cents to a dollar", no I didn't say the extra 50 cents will cause inflation issues. You said livable wages, extra 50 cents especially in urban areas is not livable wage as you can probably agree. Paying unskilled workers livable wage, such 25-35 dollars an hours will cause inflation I think and arguably deter certain people to become more skilled.

[Jeffr586]

37 minutes ago, JakeFromNY said:

Although I question white people committing more crimes overall per capita which does not seem to be the case based on the statistics I saw, I can agree that these statistics are not perfect and can get skewed based on certain factors. I can definitely agree on lowering overall crime will benefit everyone but at the same time worried about stricter laws (if we go with this route) creating more grief and more inequality/racial issues (perceived or not). Seems to be vicious circle sometimes.

 

As for "McDonald's is making an extra 50 cents to a dollar", no I didn't say the extra 50 cents will cause inflation issues. You said livable wages, extra 50 cents especially in urban areas is not livable wage as you can probably agree. Paying unskilled workers livable wage, such 25-35 dollars an hours will cause inflation I think and arguably deter certain people to become more skilled.

 

38 minutes ago, JakeFromNY said:

Although I question white people committing more crimes overall per capita which does not seem to be the case based on the statistics I saw, I can agree that these statistics are not perfect and can get skewed based on certain factors. I can definitely agree on lowering overall crime will benefit everyone but at the same time worried about stricter laws (if we go with this route) creating more grief and more inequality/racial issues (perceived or not). Seems to be vicious circle sometimes.

 

As for "McDonald's is making an extra 50 cents to a dollar", no I didn't say the extra 50 cents will cause inflation issues. You said livable wages, extra 50 cents especially in urban areas is not livable wage as you can probably agree. Paying unskilled workers livable wage, such 25-35 dollars an hours will cause inflation I think and arguably deter certain people to become more skilled.

You win... ... LOL

[JakeFromNY]

28 minutes ago, Jeffr586 said:

You win... ... LOL

I do want to let you know the purpose of me coming to this forum was not to try to win an argument or insult the black community. I was genuinely curious about the views and proposed solutions from the black community, especially more mature and intelligent members.

[Jeffr586]

1 hour ago, JakeFromNY said:

I do want to let you know the purpose of me coming to this forum was not to try to win an argument or insult the black community. I was genuinely curious about the views and proposed solutions from the black community, especially more mature and intelligent members.

I get it you want to help, but when you say that raising peoples wages, which would lift them out of poverty, which would help them out of their situation is too much... there's really nothing else to talk about.

You see you really don't understand what is going on in these communities. When every day of your life is a struggle to survive and you watch your mother and our father struggle just to put food on your table and then you see your whole neighborhood doing the same, 20 bucks seems like a lot and worth fighting over. If you don’t  understand that, you don't understand the fundamental problem and there's almost no way you can help.

Soldiers go to war and come back with PTSD. These kids grow up in war zones, and the only thing that outsiders can call them is thugs... Not taking the time to realize that these young men and women have been through some of the same things soldiers have gone through and need some of the same care, mentally as well. Then you top it off with a steady diet of gun trafficking and drugs coming from outside of their cities to help them with their demise and you got a recipe for disaster.

These kids don't have land to grow the drugs on, they don't have the means to produce the guns they receive, but somehow it gets into their neighborhoods. We all know who's behind it, just like the government pump drugs into Watts California, back in the Day. And I'm not pointing fingers I'm just saying what we all know is true. Until you eliminate those two major things coming outside of the neighborhood into their neighborhood, which they don't have the vehicles to go and get it, we are going to continue to have this conversation.

 

[Troy]

On 6/22/2023 at 12:11 PM, frankster said:

Please show where I demonize you or anyone in this thread??

 

Textbook strawman used by those without coherent or legitimate argument.

 

On 6/22/2023 at 12:38 PM, JakeFromNY said:

I can present links to the FBI statistics, other statistics, relatively recent news articles and so forth but will that do any good when you will just say black crimes are reported/investigated/prosecuted more? I just didn't want to waste time on that front.

 

Do you know anything about J. Edgar Hoover, or Cointelpro? 

 

The news is biased as well.  

 

When someone points out that "black crimes are reported/investigated/prosecuted more?" why reject this fact.  I believe you do it because the complexity of having to consider these things makes it harder for you sustain your position.  

 

There have been a great many books written on this subject -- especially in recent years.  You should read more some.

 

@JakeFromNY what part of New York are you from?

 

 

[JakeFromNY]

 

6 hours ago, Troy said:

Textbook strawman used by those without coherent or legitimate argument.

Not sure if this was directed at me or others but if so, here is my "proof" as my defense.

Please don't feel offended by the quotes, I'm just defending myself.

 

Demonize definition: to portray (someone or something) as evil or as worthy of contempt or blame.

 

Below are some of the quotes from other posters within this thread. I'll try to be fair as well, some came here not to discuss but bash but some also came with legit points IMO. Emotions often took over from both sides but you have to take responsibility of the statements you make, especially blanket statements about entire group. Also, if you make a negative statement about another group based on personal opinion or hate, I would consider that demonizing, once again the definition "portray (someone or something) as evil or as worthy of contempt or blame".

Please don't say "oh you are claiming blacks commit more violent crimes than other groups and that is also demonizing!" as that is backed up by statistics and the whole point of this discussion and not my opinion.

 

"White people: *Maim, rape, kill, torture, deceive every nation they land in and then settle quietly in colonies* "

 

"White people: *Steal land, air, water, food, gold, etc* *hoards everything for themselves* "

 

"That's because you Neanderthals are to blame!"

 

"Neanderthals writing Egyptian script! HILARIOUS!!!"

 

"Of Course you don't.....your conscience will reveal your lying hypocrisy. "

 

"Propaganda to malign Blacks so as to assuage the conscience of those of evil intent..."

 

"Another step in the dehumanization of Black peoples.... "

 

"...Racist whites who refuse to recognize that they are socialize to make judgements based on color..."

 

"...a leech that can't be trusted and will suck your blood if given the chance."

 

"...there has been a guy who decided to kill his whole family...I can only imagine what happens in the trailer parks,"

 

7 hours ago, Troy said:

The news is biased as well.  

 

When someone points out that "black crimes are reported/investigated/prosecuted more?" why reject this fact.  I believe you do it because the complexity of having to consider these things makes it harder for you sustain your position.  

 

There have been a great many books written on this subject -- especially in recent years.  You should read more some.

Ok, if you claim the statistics/news/articles/books and whatever outlet that claim these numbers to be fake (blacks committing more violent crimes than other groups), you also cannot tell me to look at other statistics/news/articles/books that favorably support your view. If you are willing to meet in the middle, that is a different story but if you still say oh blacks don't commit more violent crimes than other groups, then I guess there is nothing further to discuss. What else can I say if I keep hearing my sources are true and other sources are fake?

 

7 hours ago, Troy said:

what part of New York are you from?

 

Upstate NY. Not from NYC like most would've guessed.

 

All in all, after reading more of the posts made by the original poster in other threads, I agree the original poster's intent was not to discuss but to bash. Therefore I'll stop commenting on this thread further. Although we had some slightly heated moments, which is understandable when discussing topics related to race, I think there were some benefits as well where we were able to give different views on the issue and arguments and counter arguments of the causes. It was a bit of bummer that we could not discuss more ideas about the solution but I can understand the sentiment when a non black comes in here and also want to discuss about the solution. To be honest, my main purpose for commenting here was not to discuss about the solution together, I was more curious about the black views of the issue and their proposal of the solution if there was any. Admittedly, I too was caught up a bit defending my race when I perceived most of the blame went to my race. Anyway, I do hope whoever that run into this thread leave a bit more informed.

 

[Jeffr586]

On 6/24/2023 at 2:10 AM, JakeFromNY said:

 

Not sure if this was directed at me or others but if so, here is my "proof" as my defense.

Please don't feel offended by the quotes, I'm just defending myself.

 

Demonize definition: to portray (someone or something) as evil or as worthy of contempt or blame.

 

Below are some of the quotes from other posters within this thread. I'll try to be fair as well, some came here not to discuss but bash but some also came with legit points IMO. Emotions often took over from both sides but you have to take responsibility of the statements you make, especially blanket statements about entire group. Also, if you make a negative statement about another group based on personal opinion or hate, I would consider that demonizing, once again the definition "portray (someone or something) as evil or as worthy of contempt or blame".

Please don't say "oh you are claiming blacks commit more violent crimes than other groups and that is also demonizing!" as that is backed up by statistics and the whole point of this discussion and not my opinion.

 

"White people: *Maim, rape, kill, torture, deceive every nation they land in and then settle quietly in colonies* "

 

"White people: *Steal land, air, water, food, gold, etc* *hoards everything for themselves* "

 

"That's because you Neanderthals are to blame!"

 

"Neanderthals writing Egyptian script! HILARIOUS!!!"

 

"Of Course you don't.....your conscience will reveal your lying hypocrisy. "

 

"Propaganda to malign Blacks so as to assuage the conscience of those of evil intent..."

 

"Another step in the dehumanization of Black peoples.... "

 

"...Racist whites who refuse to recognize that they are socialize to make judgements based on color..."

 

"...a leech that can't be trusted and will suck your blood if given the chance."

 

"...there has been a guy who decided to kill his whole family...I can only imagine what happens in the trailer parks,"

 

Ok, if you claim the statistics/news/articles/books and whatever outlet that claim these numbers to be fake (blacks committing more violent crimes than other groups), you also cannot tell me to look at other statistics/news/articles/books that favorably support your view. If you are willing to meet in the middle, that is a different story but if you still say oh blacks don't commit more violent crimes than other groups, then I guess there is nothing further to discuss. What else can I say if I keep hearing my sources are true and other sources are fake?

 

 

Upstate NY. Not from NYC like most would've guessed.

 

All in all, after reading more of the posts made by the original poster in other threads, I agree the original poster's intent was not to discuss but to bash. Therefore I'll stop commenting on this thread further. Although we had some slightly heated moments, which is understandable when discussing topics related to race, I think there were some benefits as well where we were able to give different views on the issue and arguments and counter arguments of the causes. It was a bit of bummer that we could not discuss more ideas about the solution but I can understand the sentiment when a non black comes in here and also want to discuss about the solution. To be honest, my main purpose for commenting here was not to discuss about the solution together, I was more curious about the black views of the issue and their proposal of the solution if there was any. Admittedly, I too was caught up a bit defending my race when I perceived most of the blame went to my race. Anyway, I do hope whoever that run into this thread leave a bit more informed.

 

Would've commented earlier, but I was busy having fun playing golf yesterday with some of my childhood friends... I've known these guys for almost 50 years.

As for your comment about demonizing... There's no demonizing... it's the truth!!! I will say... when the truth feels like you've been demonized it's probably because you know the truth and the truth hurts.

 

I'm sorry you couldn't  help, but  until you understand the social economics of the whole problem, you'll never be able to help us. Furthermore, you can't even help your own race. You have no ideas for them, so how  do you think your idea is  going to work for us? Your community is not even following those policies you talked about.

We need people to stop being racist and making racist policies.  As far as the violence that goes on in your own communities, if you took more pride in that, instead of trying to tell us what to do our communities would be better as well. 

I would love to have a real conversation about the solutions for all our communities, but I will not be talked down to by someone who thinks that they're doing better than us because they’re  communities commit a couple of murders less. With your community committing 10,000 suicides that nobody seems to be addressing... out of this 15,000 annual gun related deaths and you're still committing murders in those 15,000 annual  gun deaths, I don't think you have a strong enough standing point to be telling people what to do.

 

If you want to talk about real solutions which are economically driven, I'm more than happy to have that discussion but you're not gonna come in here and tell us that we aren't good fathers and you're not gonna come here and tell us that somehow your society is better when the federal government statistics and CDC statistics say otherwise. I don't know what alternative facts you're looking at but until green is green and blue is blue your alternative facts mean nothing to the truth.

[frankster]

On 6/24/2023 at 2:10 AM, JakeFromNY said:

 Demonize definition: to portray (someone or something) as evil or as worthy of contempt or blame.

to misrepresent (someone or something) as thoroughly evil or contemptible;

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/demonize

 

to describe someone or something as very bad or dangerous although they are not
https://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/dictionary/american/demonize

 

The Truth may be offensive....But it is not a lie or a misrepresentation.

 

On 6/24/2023 at 2:10 AM, JakeFromNY said:

"White people: *Maim, rape, kill, torture, deceive every nation they land in and then settle quietly in colonies* "

 

"White people: *Steal land, air, water, food, gold, etc* *hoards everything for themselves* "

 

"That's because you Neanderthals are to blame!"

 

"Neanderthals writing Egyptian script! HILARIOUS!!!"

 

"Of Course you don't.....your conscience will reveal your lying hypocrisy. "

 

"Propaganda to malign Blacks so as to assuage the conscience of those of evil intent..."

 

"Another step in the dehumanization of Black peoples.... "

 

"...Racist whites who refuse to recognize that they are socialize to make judgements based on color..."

 

"...a leech that can't be trusted and will suck your blood if given the chance."

 

"...there has been a guy who decided to kill his whole family...I can only imagine what happens in the trailer parks,"

For the above to be an act of Demonization....it most also be a misrepresentation. - a lie

Show me which of the above is a lie or a misrepresentation???

 

On 6/24/2023 at 2:10 AM, JakeFromNY said:

 

 

[JakeFromNY]

4 hours ago, frankster said:

For the above to be an act of Demonization....it most also be a misrepresentation. - a lie

Show me which of the above is a lie or a misrepresentation???

Labeling an entire group of people to be "killers, thieves, having evil intent, enslavers" is a serious and dangerous rhetoric, on par with claiming another race to be superior to everyone else. Are there bad people in every race? Definitely, but you need to be clear that you are referring to a relatively small group of bad people otherwise you are just expressing hate and the majority of people that are not hateful (all races) will not take you seriously.

[Troy]

On 6/24/2023 at 2:10 AM, JakeFromNY said:

Upstate NY. Not from NYC like most would've guessed.

 

I would not have guessed that.  You don't come across like one of those dog-pampering, electric-vehicle-driving, city slickers.

 

@JakeFromNY I saw the quotes, and taken out of context I really don't know what to make of them.  This is yet another strawman.

 

Again, you wrote, in response to @frankster, "Please show where I demonize you or anyone in this thread??"  I have not read this entire conversation, but I've read enough of Frankster's writing to know that he would not demonize you.  

 

Frankster joining this forum is about the best this that came out of the conversation

 

This conversation is called "Blacks commit 60% of ALL violent crimes...."  Is this something you believe too @JakeFromNY? Someone with a cursory knowledge of this nation's history would know that is just absurd. 

 

The person who started this conversation, as far as I can tell, never posted a shred of evidence to support the statement.  FBI arrest stats for 2019 Don't support this.  The person who posted this was lying or woefully misinformed. 

 

@JakeFromNY consider the following: 

 

Someone visits a Black discussion forum and "demonizes" Black people, by posting false information about Black people. Then a white guy comes here and says he is being demonized.  Can you see why the Black people here would be incredulous? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[frankster]

3 hours ago, JakeFromNY said:

Labeling an entire group of people to be "killers, thieves, having evil intent, enslavers" is a serious and dangerous rhetoric, on par with claiming another race to be superior to everyone else. Are there bad people in every race? Definitely, but you need to be clear that you are referring to a relatively small group of bad people otherwise you are just expressing hate and the majority of people that are not hateful (all races) will not take you seriously.

 Before I address your complete statement where did you get "having evil Intent" from?

Please post the complete line?

[JakeFromNY]

On 4/19/2023 at 1:37 AM, frankster said:

Propaganda to malign Blacks so as to assuage the conscience of those of  evil intent and trick the simple minded

Here you go frankster. You don't have to response to this. I don't want to debate anymore which was not my intention to begin with and it is especially tiring having exchanges with you with all these when did I say this? When did I said that?

 

4 hours ago, frankster said:

Before I address your complete statement

No, please don't. Thank you.

 

8 hours ago, Troy said:

This conversation is called "Blacks commit 60% of ALL violent crimes...."  Is this something you believe too @JakeFromNY? Someone with a cursory knowledge of this nation's history would know that is just absurd. 

 

The person who started this conversation, as far as I can tell, never posted a shred of evidence to support the statement.  FBI arrest stats for 2019 Don't support this.  The person who posted this was lying or woefully misinformed. 

60% does seem inflated and I even said already "I can agree that these statistics are not perfect and can get skewed based on certain factors". But even that FBI report shows arrests for around 52% of all murders and robbery and 31-33% for aggravated assault and other assault. This report from Office of Justice Programs (a part of DOJ) indicate similar rates as the FBI. Could these numbers be skewed a bit? Yes. Do I believe the numbers are still disproportionately high towards the blacks? Yes. Please let's not debate further, I'm just answering your question about the numbers I believe in.

 

8 hours ago, Troy said:

Someone visits a Black discussion forum and "demonizes" Black people, by posting false information about Black people. Then a white guy comes here and says he is being demonized.  Can you see why the Black people here would be incredulous? 

Although he certainly came here to bash, not everything said by him and others that believe in the high rate were not without merit. I said demonized because strong words were said about the white people like in the quotes I provided before and after I joined the discussion as well as some hostility towards me starting to build up. I think I overstayed my welcome. Points made by you, Jeffr, frankster well taken, don't need to try to convince me further. I won't either.

 

 

[frankster]

4 hours ago, JakeFromNY said:

  On 4/19/2023 at 1:37 AM, frankster said:

Propaganda to malign Blacks so as to assuage the conscience of those of  evil intent and trick the simple minded

 

Here you go frankster. You don't have to response to this. I don't want to debate anymore which was not my intention to begin with and it is especially tiring having exchanges with you with all these when did I say this? When did I said that?

So you are guilty of that which you accuse me Of.....You have Inserted your word "having"  for my word "those" so that it can make your assertions appear true - This is a misrepresentation in order to  Demonize.

Check Yourself and try to Listen to your conscience.

 

4 hours ago, JakeFromNY said:

  10 hours ago, frankster said:

Before I address your complete statement

No, please don't. Thank you.

Of Course not, you have been caught red handed in a blatant misrepresentation.

Regardless...... you have bought up some great arguments, that would be fun to unpack.

You should stand by your convictions and use honesty reason logic and love to see where they lead.

I will honor your request....I look forward to us having future dialogues.

 

 

[Troy]

On 6/26/2023 at 5:28 AM, JakeFromNY said:

But even that FBI report shows arrests for around 52% of all murders and robbery and 31-33% for aggravated assault and other assault.

Still that data is about arrests, not convictions
 

We know Black people are more likely to be arrested
We know most murders are not solved.

We know most people wrongly arrested and convicted of murders are Black

 

Again, nothing the person who started this conversation substantiates the demonizing claim that black commit 60% of murders. Maybe he meant Blacks are 60% of the murder victims

 

Black people are under constant attack on all fronts. 
 

Given the overtly racist history of this country, this behavior is perfectly understandable. But it is time that people educate themselves and shed this racist mentality. 
 

Unfortunately it seems, in recent years, we’re are becoming more divided. This may not be true, but the media’s coverage and posts on this forum makes it seem that way .

[arabellemcelreavy2]

On 6/22/2023 at 7:10 PM, Jeffr586 said:

Again you have come with no solutions, only talking about one black person that you hired that didn't work out Boo Hoo!!! Over the past 25 years I've seen numerous white men get hired that  were ill qualified for their positions and boy did they hide from work.

Just yesterday my supervisor who I trained by the way put out our project numbers For the last year. For the three media content producers me being one, I had 12 projects with 50 independent deliverables. My other colleague who is white has 6 projects with 30 deliverables. My other colleague who is Asian have five projects with 16 deliverables and needed assistance on most of them to complete on time and still missed deadlines. There goes your Asians work harder than everybody else theory and I'm gonna screenshot this document and show you...SMH

 

I currently work at a university as a video over IP professional and I have seen white men run from work or take so long to complete it they might as well not even have had the job so don't tell me about who's putting in the time.

 

Furthermore how do you think these people coming out of poverty can possibly afford a college degree? They can't even afford rent and you wanna talk about giving them a job if they qualify? And your universities lower the standards for black students is a bunch of crap. I'd love to hear and talk to those so-called friends you said said that because I could read them the riot act as well.

 

I'm going on my 25th year at the university I work at and if anything, these black students that come to this university have to be 10 times better than their white adversaries just to even be looked at. It's either that or they better be running touchdowns and slam dunking basketballs.

Besides that I am of the opinion that it's not really about the black people but about how they were raised, I think these people are actually not guilty of anything and I also support them even though they are a different race, because I am in law college, I have done writing on the topic  essay on my country my pride, this actually was a very interesting and developing writing, because from here I learned a lot of new things about the people of Nepal, actually I understand them perfectly and I don't know how I could help them and I feel quite sorry for them, but the problem is that they choose this path by themselves, probably because there the crowd is less intelligent, this creates problems in society and first of all in schools people who could learn better don't have this possibility because of the conditions that the stupid ones create. Unfortunately this is the harsh reality and we have to deal with it.

And you're talking about I act like I know you, I don't have to know you to read what you're saying and again the only thing you came out here to do was to point your finger at the less fortunate but like I said I'm not one of them and I have facts on my side not alternative facts.

 And if what you say is true and you're willing to hire the best candidate even if they're black, I applaud you but don't think I have to await your beckoning call when you come on a site for African Americans and start pointing your finger at what we need to do. Especially when the majority of gun deaths happen to white people from suicide. You don't see me on some white site talking about what are you gonna do about your suicide rate... along with your crime rate which by the way even per capita is still higher than ours. Yes unfortunately our black on black murder rate is way too high but your white on white rate isn't 0.

 Like I stated before we do have a major problem in our black communities and I've given many examples of how to fix it, you on the other hand seem to think you know who we are and you don't, at best all of your stories or third hand and some of them are just straight up faults.

That's right, there are plenty of people who don't engage in anything but sitting and writing comments, unfortunately this is the bulk of it, if instead these people went to work then neither would this discussion and it would be all good.

[Troy]

Welcome to the forums @arabellemcelreavy2!