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How could anybody who appreciates the late Dr. Frances Cress Welsing condemn a movie about black female warriors when Welsing was always on the attack, with her strident messages, a modern day version of the ferocious Harriet Tubman who was the role model for the likes of Rosa Parks and Fannie Lou Hammer and Angela Davis, all variants of the female militants who were in the vanguard of the black struggle - all members of the female warrior sisterhood who embody the disapproval of Pioneer. He's the guy who is always so busy salivating over the bodies of female athletes that he can't appreciate their skills and talents. The same person who proposes that black females only have sex with black males, then gives the OK for womanizing black studs to have sex with partners of any race. The same chauvinistic dude who apparently equates female independence with masculinity, as he points fingers at the invisible culprits he insists are manipulating black women to be what they already are. Even more dubious is the conclusion that Pioneer's love for black folks is what motivates his bad mouthing them. The only black folks Pioneer loves are those who conform to his quirky opinions about how "Afro-Americans" should conduct themselves, even suggesting that this site adopt an elitist format geared exclusively to input from black intellectuals, kicking those who aren't smart enough to the curb. Thank goodness for Troy who reduced Pioneer's obstinacy to absurdness when it came to the Woman King movie, in the process exposing why Pioneer has no credentials nor achievements to qualify him as a liaison to the "sista nation". As for Neely Fuller, i know absolutely nothing about him, but I do know that a while back I posted an essay about the authenticity of white supremacy, and suggested that black survival has a lot to do with figuring out how to "get in where you fit in'. He and I are possibly connected by being members of the same generation as were Frances and I; pragmatic in our approach to coping. Meanwhile, I continue to get nothing but good reports from those who have seen the Woman King, movie. To Mel I say, keep taking the battle to your foes, my brave warrior Princess!

Mel LOL....Mel...Mel...Mel............ Now it makes sense why he never got pushback from supremacists. It is as if Fuller is doing the work for them. "Bend over and just take it." doesn't seem much like a solution. Many people who've studied his work have gotten frustrated with his approach and see it as "defeatist" or "go along to get along" with the racists. So you're certainly not alone. Nor does Isolation and segregation cure ostracization. It may not cure it, but I think in many cases Isolation not only raises your self-esteem but makes you more productive and leads to more progress. Separating yourself from those who hate you and wish you nothing but harm is always a wise move whether we're talking about large groups or individual relationships. Successfully isolating yourself from an enemy you can't or won't defeat is usually the next best thing TO defeating them. I'll pass on his message. I'm attracted to movements that provide a solution to problems. Oh but I'm telling you much of his advice actually WORKS because it's practical. It's not just fluff and "feel good" rhetoric that doesn't actually produce positive outcome. When you follow some of the specific advice he lays out on how to deal with White people and racists in general, it actually works! Again, his solutions are geared toward the INDIVIDUAL more so than the group and most INDIVIUALS who apply his methods find success in their personal lives even though SYSTEMIC racism remains. I tend to be stoic when confronting racism, sexism, and supremacy. I face difficulties and use whatever resources available to me to hurdle obstacles. This position allows others to move forward in a field that was off-limits to them. I'm with you 100% on the racism. And about 95% on the sexism part...lol....although I tend to be a little on a sexist side myself. Perhaps that's part of my opposition to The Woman King Also to answer your question, the reason so many liked Black Panther but criticized Woman King is because Black Panther was clearly for entertainment with very little derogatory themes in it. The Woman King is obvious propaganda and so much is questionable about that film from the very TITLE of it, to who wrote it (two White women), mixing actual history with fable and legend, etc....too much is shady. I betcha didn't know I was the first Black woman news anchor at a television station in the Ohio Valley. When a bigot took over as news director and tried to get me to quit. I took his azz and the entire station to the EEOC. He was the one who put me in the position to anchor my own morning newscast and then weekend newscast. I don't play to get along. Excellent! You may not play to get along but I'm sure you've learned by now that the BEST way to get along with racists is to challenge their every move and make it so painful and uncomfortable for them to practice their racist antics that they either clean up their act or just leave altogether. Not sure if you'll take this as an insult or compliment but what you said really didn't impress me too much because I already figured you were high-end anyway. I knew you were an achor, stewardist, attractive woman, educated woman, had something to do with Bill Cosby...lol...and many other attributes. I saw that as just one more feather in your hat. "Honey, I'm EVERY woman....it's all in me!" Aside: I read Fuller first published this book in the 50s, and it was updated several times by Dr. Cress Welsing) If Neely Fuller, Jr came to this forum and posted some of what he wrote last century today as "Neels," you would have questioned the motives. So @Pioneer1what about his writing resonates with you? His keen insight and logic. He doesn't approach racism and what he calls "white supremacy" with an emotional or pollyanish ideology that tells Black people they are strong, smart, and capable of defeating the racists if they just "keep the faith" or put it all in the hands of Jesus. He tells you straight up that the White racists are the strongest and most powerful human beings in this world and you have to accept this and learn their tactics and how to avoid them as best you can to survive and perhaps thrive in this world. We can argue all day long whether or now the White racists are the smartest and strongest on the planet, but the question is...if any other group of people ARE smarter and stronger than them...where ARE they? Show me the group of people who ARE stronger and smarter than the White racists and who are not under their control, because I want to find them and talk to them....lol. Much of what he states is OBVIOUS, but so many of us are too fearful and egostitical to accept....that White folks RULE this world and have power that many of us haven't the faintest clue they possess. They control the water, the food, the air, the housing, the hospitals, the legislation, etc....and to accept this is too painful for most Black people, so they're rather be told something different that makes them FEEL better. Me....I'd rather be told the TRUTH. Right behind ACKNOWLEDGING that a problem even exists.....learning the TRUTH about it is the next step to actually SOLVING it. ProfD Neely Fuller is definitely not advocating that folks acquiesce to racism white supremacy. To the contrary. His book provides a guide for how to understand and overcome it. Absolutely I think the thing that a lot of people get hung up on and don't understand is that his philosophy and advice are towards the INDIVIDUAL and not a group. So he's not out here promoting mass protests and riots or class action law suits but giving you advice on how to be safe and successful as an INDIVIDUAL without having to rely on GROUP EFFORT for your success.

Correct. Dr. Frances Cress Welsing was educated as mentioned above. She was a "student" of Neely Fuller Jr.'s philosophy/concept. Dr. Frances Cress Welsing was deep too. She said Black folks should not procreate until they are 30 years old and married. 😁😎

Neely Fuller is definitely not advocating that folks acquiesce to racism white supremacy. To the contrary. His book provides a guide for how to understand and overcome it. Dr. Frances Cress Welsing did not update the book. She was a student of Neely Fuller's writing. They did speaking engagements together. She did encourage him to update the book from the 1st edition. Just like Religion, not all medicine is good for all patients. Some folks will read Fuller's work and see him as an old man out of touch with reality. But, as Fuller states, it's up to the individual to take what they want from book and apply it to how they choose to deal with the system of racism white supremacy. 😎

Now it makes sense why he never got pushback from supremacists. It is as if Fuller is doing the work for them. "Bend over and just take it." doesn't seem much like a solution. Nor does Isolation and segregation cure ostracization. I'll pass on his message. I'm attracted to movements that provide a solution to problems. I tend to be stoic when confronting racism, sexism, and supremacy. I face difficulties and use whatever resources available to me to hurdle obstacles. This position allows others to move forward in a field that was off-limits to them. I betcha didn't know I was the first Black woman news anchor at a television station in the Ohio Valley. When a bigot took over as news director and tried to get me to quit. I took his azz and the entire station to the EEOC. He was the one who put me in the position to anchor my own morning newscast and then weekend newscast. I don't play to get along. Aside: I read Fuller first published this book in the 50s, and it was updated several times by Dr. Cress Welsing) If Neely Fuller, Jr came to this forum and posted some of what he wrote last century today as "Neels," you would have questioned the motives. So @Pioneer1what about his writing resonates with you? One thing I do appreciate and agree with Fuller is his position which goes back to Ancient Africa... KNOW THY SELF! If his words get Black men to truly learn who they are as individuals and actually do what's necessary to move humanity to its highest level, then Ase'.

Yep. The Watts riot of 1965 was started by an altercation between police and a young black motorist. Read familiar. The Watts riot led to white flight. Once businesses relocate to the suburbs, it left cities like Compton to become overrun by poor folks, gangs, drugs and murder. There is a correlation between riots of the 1960s and decline of black cities from the 1970s onward. Drugs were thrown into cities with a Black majority to insure the people would destroy themselves.😎

Ha! I think you hit it dead on the head! @richardmurray!!! And you're right, many people may have taken this tactic to push the film so, it gets out there and it seen and generates a lot of money. I think too, that the true history behind the film may now resurface and that might be a good thing! According to Lupita, even though she played in Black Panther and new very well, the women warriors were based off these warrior women, she said that she did not know much about them until she travelled there to do the research, and it blew her mind! For her to see and film some of the true facts about them is just amazing. To see, first hand, the statues and collections of skulls of decapitated victims, is unbelievable to me. This movie means more than one aspect to different people, imo. I like the fact that it is causing the true history to surface!

Thank you for posting this video, @Mel Hopkins, it was spellbounding! I was so caught up into it. Lupita is so lovely. The women were so so so beautiful! One of the women, the Agoutie woman warrior, had eyes like the late Mandela, in fact, the photos, seems to show this trait, and this strikes me and leads me to believe that some of these people are from the east world. The leopard idols and the skulls, and the headhunting expeditions, seems to match other ancient warrior civilizations, such as the ancient Maya too and in the Old Mediterranean Baal cults. Yes all that we can do is speculate as to why Lupita pulled out of it unless she says something. However, for her to go to Benin and produce this amazing film and then pull out, does seem like she may have pulled out for something about the truth. LOL! You're so rightt! However, that's me. I loved the film Black Panther, so much so, I bought the dvd. But I did not like some of the women warrior scenes nor did I like some of the fight scenes of the males either. I still don't have any opinions one way or the other about the Women King movie. I agree with the summaries given though, in the documentary and what you said, in that the Aguojie warrior women were both victims and warriors. I think that many of them were forced into it and as Lupita said, too, I think I probably would have been dragged into it because I am not a submissive person, and so, I would have been sought out and forced into it, I believe. Yes, @richardmurray maybe. You may be right because I don't have a problem with viola or the film, I just wondering now, what the hype is about.

Yes. The brother is very talented. I'd MUCH rather see Black people drawing other Black people, even if in cartoon form....than that racist "anime" shit so many people are into today.