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Although "illegitimate" and "bastard" may be insensitive words, they are legal terms that apply to children born out of wedlock. It's not like these words are just random labels slapped on children. They are used during courts cases involving heirs and inheritance.

yeah, that is too much for me. @Pioneer1 But, if that man was banging young girls and you had a young daughter, you expect me to believe that you would have no problem letting that contractor work on your house around your daughter in your absence? So, it wouldn't matter if he was banging your young daughter, --along with other young girls--just that he did a good job as a contractor working on your house?

December is a long month for me and a short month for you.

Which is exactly what was said in the link from the New York Times. But I reference non credible news sources @Troy Can I get a witness? Whose money is it?

https://www.nytimes.com/1987/11/03/us/19-children-of-muslim-leader-battle-a-bank-for-5.7-million.html WOW This is interesting. Now, I am wondering about questions that could possibly be directed towards @Pioneer1. So now, the repercussions of the leader in his actions to have sex and father childrne from young girls is passed off onto the NOI community that supported their leader and turned a deaf ear to these relationships. So they supported their leader seemingly unconditionally OH BUT NOW, it seems that some of these supporters don't want the 'Illigitemate' children to have a reasonable compensation from their father's earning??? Why not? Why would certain NOI members dislike these offspring for expecting to have substantial support from their father's earning? Just by the mere fact that they could have endured harship from others as a result of being born from young girls should dictate that they each receive compensation for being the leader's child, IMO. So now, if the NOI community don't want the offspring of this leader to receive fair compensation for the trouble their father caused them to be exposed to due to his actions, then the community should have confronted their leader. Am I looking at this the wrong way? I wonder if I have gotten something right.

@Troy Good Point. I think this term 'Illegitimate' is thrown around to loosely without considering the plight of many people who happen to be born from situations beyond their own control, and this can unfairly put a dark cloud over someone who deserves a fair chance at life and opportunity. Nevertheless, I understand what @Del is referring to regarding the conflict in the NOI that cause the organization to become divided.

@Pioneer1 LOL I think I could debate that with you! I partially agree to a point. Some of my co-workers from Nigeria are beautiful. They are thin and their skin glowed and they have bright eyes. But, Other Americans who have been to Nigeria say it is very, very poor country. And, some documentaries show that a lot of Nigerian woman are extremely large--Thick Madames-- and they consider it a quality to be 'Thick Madames'. LOL! You may need to look at the Olympics! And see who is winning percentage-wise! I think it is 50%-50% when all factors are taken into consideration.

@Pioneer1, De is not above using tabloids are reference material. I never heard any, other than Del, say that MLK engaged in a honosexual affair. @Delano where did you get this information? FBI allegations and audio tape. https://www.nytimes.com/1987/11/03/us/19-children-of-muslim-leader-battle-a-bank-for-5.7-million.html What do you think @Delano No You are right the CHILDREN are innocent. That's a point by point answer.

Let the church say “Amen”... @Cynique I’m so glad you posted this! Thank You! I’m beyond finished with this thread especially after reading that “let boys be boys” sentiment. OMG... I can’t believe anyone would think it’s ok to use young women jack up their lives and let them raise up “bastard” children in a religious sect -because they were the top seller of some bean pies. I Just can’t.

I've been commenting for years on how much more attractive African people are today than many AfroAmericans. Not just in terms of physical features but in behavior. I work in a place that services a lot of Africans....especially West Africans. I've noticed over the years the differences between AfroAmericans and Africans have not only increased but are stunning in their contrasts. They tend to be slimmer, the men and women better proportioned, the skin clearer, hair blacker and shinier, quicker with math, and they speak English better. Ofcourse this isn't the case with every African vrs AfroAmerican but I'm talking about on average. Many of them look like most of our people USED TO look 30 and 40 years ago when they ate better, used less drugs, and had a different way of life and mentality than today. But perhaps.....and this was pointed out to me by a sister a few weeks ago...most of the Africans I see coming into the United States tend to be on the wealthy or educated side so maybe they look good because they can afford to eat properly and keep themselves up. Not sure what the case is but it seems like many Africans seem to be a "better version" of AfroAmericans.