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@Pioneer1 maybe, but effective. you”ve been unmasked as a hater of black women. Now it makes sense why you “say” you never married a black woman.. you “said” you made them call you daddy , but you played them. And didn’t you “say” “no children” too? Is that a conscious decision? Is it the truth? Did you lose a child? (If so, my condolences) BUT If you can make babies, do you hate black women so much, you don’t even want to procreate with us? Wow! So, unless it’s a health problem - you didn’t even make a contribution to our “black” family. Well dang, at least me and black man had a baby together. All that whining about “white supremacy” and it turns out “you” the hater here.

If and when aren't words that you use to make a declaration. Also the phrase my beliefs makes it clear it is not a demand. I think you have difficulty taking the measure of a person. For someone who wants to lead you sound like a nihilist. Encouraging Mel to share her pain with a man who would laugh about Black girls be used by an old morally bankrupt leech. You prove something I believe strongly. The best leaders don't want to be leaders. And those that want to lead aren't even good followers. At times you sound as though you have more contempt for Black Women than the harshest racist. If I am praising white men because they say Black Man should listen to the Black Women. And you disagree, then I will praise that Man over you. I seriously wonder whose team you are on cause you aren't an ally to black women. At least not on this forum.

They are being a bit excessive on the Jussie Smollett case, but my question is why? I'm no fan of any agenda supporting the LGBT movement but 48 years for filing a false police report is beyond overboard. It makes me question is there is an agenda against black celebs or what with all that is making headlines recently. SOURCE - https://www.unilad.co.uk/news/jussie-smollett-could-face-48-years-in-prison-after-sixteen-felony-counts-charges/ ABC Empire actor Jussie Smollett could be facing up to 48 years in prison after being hit with an additional 15 counts of filing a false police report. Smollett was hit with the 15 additional felony disorderly conduct charges by a grand jury on March 7. He may also be forced to pay a fine of up to $400,000. The 36-year-old actor had already been charged with one Class 4 Felony charge of disorderly conduct in February, which could have meant a three year prison sentence plus a $25,000 fine. As reported by ABC News, the indictment was confirmed by the Cook County State’s Attorney’s Office. Smollett’s attorney, Mark Geragos, released the following statement: The fact of an indictment is not unexpected. We knew that there is no way they would expose their evidence to a public airing and subject their witnesses to cross-examination. What is unexpected however, is the prosecutorial overkill in charging 16 separate counts against Jussie. This redundant and vindictive indictment is nothing more than a desperate attempt to make headlines in order to distract from the internal investigation launched to investigate the outrageous leaking of false information by the Chicago Police Department and the shameless and illegal invasion of Jussie’s privacy in tampering with his medical records. Jussie adamantly maintains his innocence even if law enforcement has robbed him of that presumption. Smollett has denied the charges, and will be returning to court in Chicago next week (beginning March 11). On March 14, he will face the charges in court. It is anticipated Smollett will cut a plea deal with authorities. Smollett told authorities he had been attacked on January 29, by two men who were ‘yelling out racial and homophobic slurs’. Smollett said one of the attackers had put a rope around his neck, and had poured some sort of chemical substance on him. Police believe Smollett had paid two men to carry out the alleged assault on him.

@Cynique Good points. The only people to suffer from scandals are black people. No one else suffers. Supremacists will be quoting this case 50 years from now to invalidate racism as they are doing now. Jussie is a supremacists dream case. The lgbt means the black community no good. They, like feminists, are part of white supremacy. I believe that even if he proved his case to be true, it would not benefit the black community. This whole case is trash. @Chevdove As much as I am no 50 Cent fan, Power is actually better and seem to push the lbgt agenda less. I liked Empire until the show revealed itself as a white supremacist agenda pushing homosexuality on the black community. The rate of homosexuality using hip hop to spread its ugly head is the worst thing to hit the black community since crack. They are not merely trying to cripple us. They are trying to paralyze us. As much as we hate to admit, a race war has been waged against black people. It seems to be happening in waves. The scariest part is that it has been disguised so well, the black community doesn't even suspect it.

And their lies your problem @Pioneer1 you let your imagination do your thinking and you create nothing of value. I never wrote I resented black men -you wrote that I did. Why do you want to know about my experiences with black men or any man? You wouldn’t understand it anyway. Heck, you don’t even have the guts to put your skin in the game. It takes courage to be vulnerable to another person.. to allow them to get close enough to even be hurt by them. It takes even more courage and heart to bring children in a world that’s brutal... It’s even more difficult to raise them up to be productive healthy and happy - even if they were an “accident”... yet I did just that. No, Pioneer you don’t get to live vicariously through my “stories”... You don’t get to know what black men did in my relationships with them. Here’s all you need to know about them - They are/ were brave enough to engage. Smh

WOW Thank you for your honesty! @Pioneer1 You are speaking truth, here. This is sad, but true when it comes to many African American men in this government. Again, WOW. I can understand on a personal basis too, especially about the 'black man not being financially secure'!!! And as far as you choosing not to do this or have children for this reason, I understand completely. I also understand why you would not want to do this 'by accident' and put out Black Children and suffer watching them suffer and also... blame you!!!--and NOT be able to recognize the part of this government!!! I can relate to this on a personal note!!! And this is why, even though, I understand your stance, if all Black men chose to do what you did, we would never win as a people though. So, I also don't blame others who do still marry Black women and have children and take on this HARD PLIGHT! My husband is getting is butt kicked--LOL! But I am so glad that he had 'an accident' with me!!! LOL! And, then he chose to marry me before the birth of my son! But, @Pioneer1 with your other beliefs on relationships, it's amazing that you did NOT have an accident--LOL. @Pioneer1 Yes, I can understand this too, but as a whole, when is there ever the right time? This government is bent on keeping us as Second class citizens. Okay, again @Pioneer1 Thank you for your honesty!!! But then, here is what I have to say about your response. Some men and women don't form a healthy spirit, a spirit that caused them to form a positive perspective and viewpoint about themselves--as they should fit in a physical world and go from this point to seek out a relationship with a person that fits their human presence. So, if you, as a man wanted to be married to the right kind of woman, then perhaps, you would have done that, but if you hook up with Black women that are shallow and who provide you an easy excuse to keep finding faults in our character, then you may be wasting you time. You know about Denzel Washington, right. That was what he said. He said that he was passed over when he was young and called ugly but, when he became older and confident, it became the opposite. And, that is what I have noticed with my sons. Just like Denzel said, regarding Black African American men. My sons were just 'invisible' by Black girls when they were young but, they built up a lot of confidence THAT CAME FROM ME! And so, by the time they reached high school, well, things changed dramatically!

Interesting again. There seems to be a lot of hidden history, yet to come out! My mother's mother, as I did say in the past, was part Native American and part East Indian and so, the hair texture obviously shows up in mixed-raced African Americans showing these links!!! But the Colorism and racis that existed in the Pre-Columbian World was really bad. And my mother's mother was really bad too, with her racism. She had a lot of children. I have a lot of aunts and uncles from her, and they all constantly say that she was racist. My aunt of which I was close to, was the lighter skinned one, and she had a 'mean streak'--lol. She was blunt. All of my aunts including my mother say that she was very attractive when she was younger and had a lot of attention, but then, they all did. But they all said that "Ma and Pa favored her over the others because she was light skinned like Ma". @Cynique My aunts would always say this and even she said this too! And that's when I had to laugh. One time I came to visit her in the nursing home and I sat beside her and asked her questions. She loved all of her nieces and nephews and would get angry if we did not come to visit her. Her siblings would come too, and at times she would slam the door in their faces and leave them outside in the hallway during visits. LOL. She hated my mother's second husband, and I think it's because he made a pass at her. But anyway, one day she told me, that "Ma and Pa spoiled her" LOL. I think she blamed them for causing her to become anti-social. She never married and she had no kinds. At any rate, I never met my maternal grandmother, but after hearing all of the stories about her, I'm kinda glad I didn't meet her. LOL. But her ancestry and that of her parents is interesting! I am so glad to hear you background. And, because you said that you married a Black man, then, you may understand how important it is too, though to embrace Africa!!! I agree because, HEY--you are here!--in this community dropping all of this knowledge! However, you married a Black man and so, your children have this ancestry too. So, I believe that you should be somewhat 'riveted on Africa' for their sake. That is one thing tht bugs me about my husbands people. They have benefitted due to African American Movement and their movement AIM (the American Indian Movement) did not form until after ours. So, they admit this and many of them connected with African Americans during the Civil Rights times. But some of them want to be separate now. There was almost nothing for them, so they were able to fight back for their rights with the help of Black people. Me and my father-in-law has some rounds on this issue! LOL.

Del I seriously wonder whose team you are on When it comes to disagreements on this site, no one has to "wonder" whose team YOU'RE on and will ALWAYS be on.....lol. Mel you"ve been unmasked as a hater of black women. All that whining about "white supremacy" and it turns out "you" the hater here. LOL ((shakes head)) Anyway...... So in other words, you won't tell us SOME of the terribly things you've alleged Black men did to you to justify your resentment towards them. I imagine you're not doing this for either one of two reasons: 1. NOTHING happened to you at the hands of a Black man and you are just using this "woe is me" crap as an excuse to justify your love for White men and contempt for Black men. or 2. Yes you did go through some issues with Black men but as bad as they were you know they were no worse than what White women have gone through with White men in their relationships; thus it doesn't justify your anti-Black man nonsense. Either way, you've been given multiple opportunities to justify your resentment and contempt for Black men and why you felt that that particular White man was so much better....but you failed to provide them. As far as I'm concerned any story of mistreatment at the hands of Black men you come up with after this will not be trusted. Chev It's about TIME you responded. I was waiting on YOU to respond to my post and all of these little "gremlins" popped up making a lot of noise...lol. But to answer your questions in detail: No I haven't been married to a woman of ANY race. Engaged twice...to Black women both times....but not married. So don't let Mel trick you by throwing that "to a Black woman" part in there, lol. And no, no children either. For two reasons: 1. I've been called ugly on more than one occasion so that cuts down on the amount of women who would want to marry and reproduce with me......lol. 2. I've been in the lower income bracket for much of my life and and still am. After witnessing what happened to one of my brothers, some of my cousins, and many other poor Black men in my community who had children by "accident" without being financially secure and mature enough to support them...I made the decision early in life to NOT have children until I was both married and financially stable. Although some have been disappointed, EVERY woman I've ever been involved with has respected my decision. But ofcourse people are free to make their own decisions as to when to get married have have children; however the years and years of community organization and social work I've done has shown me that over 60% of the problems Black people in America have can be DIRECTLY attributed to having children by "accident".....instead of properly planning for them. Having children they weren't psychologically mature enough or financially stable enough to take care of and those children grow up angry and with hate because they KNOW they weren't wanted and weren't treated properly growing up. I said I wasn't going to contribute to that.

@NubianFellow Thank you for breaking this down! Until now, I couldn't find the actual story. But I just read in the tabloids, yesterday, that he has returned to the set of that show, I think it's called, Empire. And I also read yesterday that the FBI has been requested to investigate the charges on his behalf. I'm not sure though. I only read briefly. But now, after your post, I am wondering if this is all some kind of hype that is coming from certain groups who want to draw more support for the LBGT cause and to connect this to Black Americans. I am wondering about this process due to this show called Empire, that I have heard about. I heard that the show is suppose to be really good, but i have no interest in watching it right now.

@Pioneer1You are really grasping at straws. It should've gone without saying that you were excluded from appreciating powerful white men who are kind because it's obvious you can't bring yourself to appreciate good character in a human being. That's how flawed your character is. And i hope you will continue to be offended by my not addressing Nubian Fellow the way you want me to. You don't tell me how to react to his words or what to call him. Just like Mel doesn't owe you any further explanations as to however she feels about black and white men. You act like you're somebody who we women here have to answer to, - somebody whose approval we should seek. Puleeze. I, myself, will continue to hold Nubian Fellow in high regard and believe that he is insightful enough to discern that i respect him as a strong black man who doesn't need me to "adopt him". You keep overlooking the things outside the subject of black beauty that he and i did agree on. I thought his observation that when it comes to white supremacy, black people aren't inferior, they just act inferior was truth in a nutshell. That was when he made a believer out of me, and was why i was glad that he became a regular on this board - for a while. @Del i couldn't care less about pioneer being an ally of mine or that he might hold black women in contempt. Any woman he holds in contempt must be doing something right. With allies like him, who needs enemies?

I have some thoughts on all of this subject. I was very interested to hear Chevdove elucidate on the Black Foot Indians. My father told us his mother, who was not married to his father, was a native American woman. I had no reason to doubt this because there was big portrait of her in a round ornate picture frame, that hung in my parents' bedroom. Because this picture was not in color i can only deduce that her skin color was medium tone, being neither dark nor light. She had an abundant crop of hair that was probably black in color, and wavy rather than straight in texture. It was styled in a long braid that was twisted in a knot pinned in the center of her forehead. She had high cheekbones, thin lips and a well sculpted nose and almond-shaped eyes. She was beautiful. This picture hung in that room all during my childhood, and me and my siblings referred to her as "our Indian grandmother". My grandfather who was born in Missouri and grew up in Kansas. a territory he left as a young man in his 20's to seek out his fortune in Chicago even before the "Great Migration" which started around 1915. He had married another woman and still lived in Chicago and would come to visit us from time to time during the years he was alive. He, oddly enough, was light complexioned, had freckles and nappy red hair. Anyhow. i seemed to have remembered him once saying about my dad's mother, the woman he had not wed, who was about 5 years older than him and had died young, was a Black Foot Indian. This stuck with me as a kid of about 8 years old because, in all of my childish innocence, i wondered if she had black feet. But in my mindless youth, i never paid much attention to anything my parents had to say bout their forbears. Fast forward many years when i came to realize the importance of tracing my roots. In doing research about my family tree, i saw that the Indian tribes that inhabited the area in Missouri and Kansas where my father and his people were from, were of the Osage nation, and i thought that was probably the tribe my grandmother was from, and that i was confused about my "black foot" memories. But, maybe she was a Black Foot who migrated to Kansas from nearby Nebraska where Chevdove placed some members of the Black Foot tribe. To me, that makes my grandmother more special because according to Chevdove, this tribe put up a fight when it came to government intervention. Also, my hair which started out as being a sandy reddish color and frizzy in texture, eventually turned brown and become quite bushy. However, as the years continued to pass, the texture of my hair continued to gradually change becoming thinner and quite silky. Now in my 80s i have long straight white hair (which i tuck under styled wigs when i go out because it is thin on top. ). Also a dentist once told me that my teeth had unusual characteristics that he'd never seen before but these traits were possibly native American in origin. My late brother-in-law, who was married to my older sister, was another example of someone whose hair nappy hair changed texture as he aged, it being almost straight at the year of his untimely death at age 50. He was a very exotic looking man. Tall, slender, amber in color, a long narrow face, a keen acquiline nose. It's so weird that my tall, slender 14-year-old great-grandson looks the same way altho he and this brother-in-law are in no way related; never even knew each other. Ironically, this grandson's other great-grandmother on his father's side obvious has native American blood lines... She actually looks like an Indian squaw in her old age, complete with long braids. So tell me, do i sound like a person who is full of self-hate? Like somebody who is lost and wants to be white?? Like somebody who should be riveted on Africa? When y'all talk about this "self-hate" thing, leave me out. i am, who i am and have no problem with this. And, i like all of my different blood lines, including the Scotch-Irish ones. i especially like my alien, Type "O" Rh-negative blood. OK. I'm done.

Despite the fact that i have repeatedly said this is not the case. The women here have also said that is not the case. The fact that I posted links expressing both sides of an issue, in the words of feminist, is lost on you. You also don't understand that Mel made a choice about one man based on her experiences with other men. You seem to miss the point, that she didn't indict all Black Men nor did she praise all White Men. Yet you are judging her heart and her choices. Then you want her to bare her sole about painful experiences. This is the height of insensitivity, arrogance and callousness. Yet she states how Bkack Women defend Black Men. However this is not reciprocated in a manner that Black women feel. Yet you say in your experience Black Men defend women when they are able. Some of the characteristics you associate with black men are incredibly negative. And then you give God like powers to all white people. Instead of the tiny minority at the the top who are exploiting all people.

@Pioneer1 Why do you ask?

Thank you for this thread Chev, I love hearing PERSONAL TESTIMONIES to hisorical events! I place much more value in them than I do in mere "information" presented in history books because they provide much more detail as well as an aire of legitimacy that contemporary historic scholarship doesn't for me. A few quick points I'd like to make................ 1. Having a White racist mother herself, your husband's grandmother was actually MIXED RACE and that explains how a lot of the poision of racism came into many of these so-called "Native American" communities down the line. This is one of the reasons I'm so specific and detail orieinted when it comes to defining race and insisting that mixed people are MIXED PEOPLE and shouldn't be called "Black" or "White" or "Native American". ....to prevent confusion. Which leads me to my 2nd point. 2. I'm careful to separate TRUE Native Americans who tend to be brown skinned with straight Black hair and more rounded features....from MIXED RACE people who CLAIM to be Native Americans but actually have predominately Caucasian genes. These fake $5 Indians who own many of the casinos in the United States tend to be nearly White skinned and are very racist against not only AfroAmericans but even TRUE Native Americans! This causes confusion for a lot of AfroAmericans because often times they'll encounter racism or read about a racist incident from one of these FAKE Indians and then make the mistake of believing "Native Americans" did this or felt this way. Many of these fake phony $5 Indians actually owned slaves but few people know that they were actually either Caucasians or Caucasians with only a trace amount of Native American ancestry DISGUISING themselves as Native Americans. 3. Although you didn't go into detail on it, people should know that Africans have been living in the Americas WITH the Native Americans for hundreds if not thousands of years BEFORE Columbus. Hell, even Columbus reported seeing Black African "tribes" who dwelled with the Native Americans. Mansa Musa's brother Abubakari and a crew of other Africans saild over here during the 13th century and the Olmec heads of African men with helmets could very well be more evidence of this.