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Chev You very statement is extremely DIVISIVE and your kind of thinking is a very good example of one major reason for a continual Black Disunity Good, maybe we DO need more division in our community. But divided along the RIGHT lines. Frankster In his own eyes every man is on the Right side Of Good For the most part, yes. But then again, most people who lie and practice deception have a pretty good understanding of whether God Approves of their behavior or Not. Savagery is a state of Physical Reality from which we Human has yet to totally Emerge... Perhaps savagery isn't a state we emerge from, but deviate too...from the more normal and natural civility. True....even though the old way still seems to work on some of Us Lol, on a LOT of our people. Thank You I enjoy your single minded zeal Not sure whether to take that as a compliment or veiled insult....lol ProfD Before establishing any non-familial relationships, AfroAmerican men and women should have their sh8t together (mental, physical, financial, spiritual) to the highest degree. This sound advice is good for individuals as well as the collective. How can you love others when you don't even love yourself? How can you work WITH (not for...we know how to work for others) others when you haven't even learned how to work with yourself first? People with low self esteem and emotional dysfunction usually get taken advantage of by those who see and recognize their weakness. When people of other racial and ethnic groups start working around AfroAmericans and realize that the ONLY reason some of our people love and respect and revere them is because of their tan skin and wavy hair.....they'll use them up like toilet paper on sale.

Just like Conservative Whites will find a useful Black idiot be the new mask of right-wing racism and anti-semitism so as not to tarnish the image of White civility; so-called Liberal Whites will find a useful Black idiot to be the new mask of the LGBT community and sexual perversion in general. If you don't watch them they'll try to make a Black face the face of child molestation too. Anything wicked or perverse that they LIKE to do.....they'll try to ger an unsuspecting Black man or woman involved in it.

That was nice......do you have more pictures???? I love those old fashioned pictures and videos of Black folks from back in the day. I like to compare how we looked and behaved back then with how we look and behave now.

Jesse Lee was around back during the Donahue Show? That nigga's been cooning it up and acting a fool for a WHILE....lol. Now listen, I'll let yall in on a little secret........... Jesse ain't THAT damn crazy. He knows most of what he ways is over the top and does a lot of it for attention and shock value. Like the White History Month project he was promoting for a while...lol. He knows better. Believe it or not Jesse actually has some sense and knows how to use it around the right people who'll check his ass on his foolishness.

Most people with good sense can make the separation; however a lot of young people....a large percentage...DON'T have good sense. They don't have sense enough to look out for themselves. Others have to look out for them to keep them out of danger and trouble. They put out negative and self destructive movies and music knowing that the majority of youth won't be influenced by it but a SIZEABLE MINORITY will....and that's enough to fill up the jails and prisons and funeral homes and give good business.

Chev Pioneer1 Well, now you resort to being insulting. Disrespectful. Ok, then LISTEN SISTA....... Again, you are wrong. This man is not well known for a reason. Just because YOU didn't know about him..... It's 200 years later and we're still talking about him, I'd said he's well known ENOUGH...lol. Sacrificing Black pig, yes, is an ancient custom against Black people and is a reflection of the Black-on-Black hatred that continues to be fostered amongst Black people. What?? These Vodoun practices were way to varied amongst different African and this is the problem today. Whether it was Catholicism or Vodoun, these practices are constantly used against the varied Africans that came from different countries and keeps them divided. Say WHAT???? Where are you getting this stuff from? No. Catholicism in not the same as the Coptic religion. I know that. However Catholicism was forced on the Haitian people by the French to make them more docile and subservient. Again, if religion gives someone the belief that they have the right to force someone to adhere to their religion, then that is the problem. And if those people were gullible enough to BELIEVE it....that also is a problem. But, since you believe that Bookman is the start and reason for Haitian victory then yes, do share. I didn't say he was the reason for the victory, I said he was one of the one's who sparked the Revolution. There are many reasons for the victory, one of the biggest players was Jean Jacque Dessalines.

You make a good point about immigrants usually being the cream of the crop being allowed to come over. I suppose the typical immigrant would be smarter and more hard working and law abiding that the average citizen back in their native nation who didn't make the cut. That, and the fact that many of them are on their "best behavior" anyway because they're afraid of getting kicked out.

frankster How is it Irrelevant.?? We are not questioning whether or not blacks aspire to academic success...that is undisputed. I'm not. Maybe that's the discussion between you and Troy, but I believe Obama had a rather positive impact on Black academic performance. However, it's irrelevant because academic performance and self-moral evaluation are two different subjects for two different concepts. Perhaps they may overlap eachother sometimes, but they are pretty much separate issues. What are you looking at as a significant social criteria as a reflections of Moral Disposition? Crime Violence Family structure Social interaction in society We already discussed crime.... Did the number of out of wedlock births in the AfroAmerican community go down under the Obama Administration? Did domestic violence in the AfroAmerican community go down under the Obama Administration? Did the number of gangster rap songs and violent lyrics decline under the Obama Administration? In other words, did Black folks just become "better people" period and more righteous under the Obama Administration that we can point to and say he had a positive impact in improving the moral self esteem of AfroAmericans? They decline in the crime rate....ACCELERATED under Obama.Well It was already on a downward trend and continued on that trend. I'm not sure about the acceleration part, I didn't see that in the stats I looked at. The downward trend looked pretty steady....I didn't see any steep declines in the graphs. Depends on the Cause... Is it to aggrandize yourself... Is it to feed Your Family... is it to feed the hungry and shelter the Homeless.. Is it to better your community... A couple points: 1. EVEN IF it's to "feed your family" and provide shelter to the homeless....being a gangster or dope dealer isn't "Revolutionary". It's basically playing with the cards one was dealt by an unjust system that neglected those whom you cared about and rebelling against that system in order to help your loved ones. But it's NOT Revolutionary because it doesn't seek to REPLACE that unjust system. 2. Realistically speaking, how many gangsters and dope dealers are doing it to feed their families or even ARE feeding their families??? Most gangsters and dope dealers enter that lifestyle of selling poison, harming, and exploiting people in their own commmunity at a relatively young age BEFORE THEY EVEN HAVE FAMILIES to take care of. So they certainly weren't doing it for those reasons. Many if not most of them MAKE children they don't take care of and accumulate women they don't take care of either. The majority of them who engage in that lifestyle did it for fast and easy money and/or the thrill of crime and violence. If a few just happen to use it for good like feeding the homeless or their families in the process...that's good. But they are a minority. Tell Me the Difference? The purpose of rebelliousness is to DISOBEY/BUCK the system. The purpose of revolution is to REPLACE the system all together. See the difference? Yes... You must know Why and What type of force to use.... Gandhi and Martin use Moral Force.... Yes they both used moral force, but the reason it worked was because it exposed the hypocrisy of Caucasians to the rest of humanity. The greatest weapon of White racists is Deception/Confusion. Having people think that THEY are the "good people" and the "moral people". Both Gandhi and King showed the rest of humanity of color that despite their Christian rhetoric, most American and British White people were atheistic hypocrites who only used religion and civility as a mask to hide their savagery. This exposure forced White racist to...not change themselves...but change THEIR TACTICS so as to become effective without looking so hypocritical and demonic as they did in the past. They needed to find a new way to trick people of color since the old way was no longer working after being exposed. Let me take time out to say........ I don't agree with everything you post, but I have to admit I like the fact that you acknowledge the points that you DO agree with me on instead of ignoring them just to focus on points of difference like a lot of posters do. It's well balanced.

What you mentioned starts with SELF LOVE. If you don't love or respect yourself, you won't be able to get along with yourself long enough to get any of those projects off the ground. Black folks arguing and fighting with eachother over the pettiest of issues until a White or atleast some non-Black person comes over with a grin on their face often times SINCERELY puzzled as to what the problem is and why these niggas hate eachother so much and are ready to get violent -calmly settles the differences so we can all get back to work. ((shakes head)) I'm convinced that many of those who keep pushing for alliances with others OVER alliances and unity with ourselves FIRST are really in love with and attracted to these other groups and see them as superior and more worthy of getting along with and working with than their own. I've seen this on jobs, in community organizing, etc....how some of our people won't even come to a meeting or show up unless they think Whites or Latinos will be there for them to smooch and snuggle up to be it for sex or friendship. They don't even seek them out for business and financial gain, which I could understand. I can understand if you'd rather have a "unity rally" with Latinos than with other AfroAmericans because of some financial benefit you stand to gain like getting a bag from them or some sort of business deal. I don't agree with it.....it's selling out....but I do UNDERSTAND why you're doing it. But just begging the Asians and Latinos to come to the meeting or going to there functions ONLY to sit next to them and crack jokes or maybe get a hug and a kiss or some coochie??? That says you think more highly of them than you do yourself. You desire THEIR prensence more than you desire the presence of your own. And truth be told....that's one of the MAJOR reasons this site doesn't do more traffic as far as discussions go. A lot of Black folks don't want to participate in a forum with ONLY other Black folks because they don't think other Black folks are worthy of their time and energy. They'd rather "show off" and run their mouths infront of an audience of non-Blacks whom they feel are superior and more appreciative.

ProfD I like how you said we need more farmers! I've been saying this for over 12 years now....that many of us need to go back to farming. Many of us have gotten the message of how we need more skilled tradesmen and tech workers and learn construction....that's almost a given. But many are still sleeping on how important AGRICULTURE is to any civilization and how we need to learn how to grow our own organic and safe food! Going back to Haiti again on the other page...... Haiti alone....if properly cultivated....could grow enough food to feed every Black man, woman, and child in the Western Hemisphere!

Perhaps they both influenced eachother. The Gangsta Rap of the 90s was influenced by the gang culture and street life of South Central Los Angeles of the 70s and 80s. But then THAT music began to influence the street culture and glorify the gangsta lifestyle in neighborhoods all over America which lead to an increase in drug use, drug dealing, gang banging, and overall criminal activity. During my school days me and my boys would get hyped up on gangsta rappers like Too Short and NWA before rushing and fighting kids from another highschool and it also encouraged us to get involved in other nefarious activities. Yet, here we are as middle-aged men. We weren't motivated to rob, steal, kill and sell drugs as a result of music and movies. I was headed in that direction because of how I admired the gangster lifestyle I heard about and saw not just in real life but on television, in the movies, and in the music! First and foremost, The SUPREME BEING Protected me from going that route. A distant second reason is the Nation of Islam got ahold of me and saved me from a lot of that madness back in my late teens. I realized it was a plan by the enemy for self-destruction.

Man, I wish I had enough money to just go down to Haiti and carve out a little spot...secure it...and BUILD. I'd certainly do it. I don't like swearing and taking oaths but man, if I had a billion AND a good security team. You mean to tell me with all of the Black billionaires we have on this planet, we can't secure Haiti and make it a Black Oasis in the Americas???? Man......😣

ProfD We use the term White folks generally but our brother the Honorable Neely Fuller Jr. makes a distinction beween the average White person and a White Supremist. White Supremists will throw the NON-White Supremist under the bus in a heartbeat because they aren't going along with the program. Look at Anthony Weiner. The right-wing went after that New York Democrat Congressman Anthony Weiner hard as hell because of a few dick-pics he showed and booted him the hell out of office.

I'm glad our sister is free from Russian confinement and back home. Having said that...... I wish she's stay the hell out of the media. She looks like a man and has a wife. She's NOT who I want representing Black America world wide. Sorry yall, but I decide WHO I accept and WHAT I accept and I will NOT have White folks push their twisted and perverted values on me.

😏Lol....I know good and well I shouldn't be cluttering up the board with this excess thread but I guess I'm just trying to be cute. To those who feel AfroAmericans NEED to go out of our way to form alliances and coalitions with other groups outside of our community in order to be successful: -We are statistically tied with Latinos for the largest demographic behind White Americans, so we have the numbers -We have more political power than any other demographic except White Americans. -And although it's disproportionate, I "believe" we actually have more WEALTH than any other group outside of White Americans! Asians and Latinos have a lot of wealth and pound for pound Asians may be the wealthiest, but in terms of actual wealth itself I believe we STILL have more actual wealth as a community than anybody else in this nation outside of White Americans. But I stand to be corrected if I'm wrong. So why do we need these other groups? What benefit are they to us? At this point, they are just more competition.....liabilities......not assets. I'm not saying we SHOULDN'T make coalitions and alliances. We can....and it would be nice....but we don't NEED to. The only thing we NEED to do is unite.....as much as we can...with eachother. Unite the Black man with the Black woman. Unite the Black Christian with the Black Muslim Unite the Black Democrat with the Black Republican (who ain't selling out) Unite the Black Blood with the Black Crip Unite the Black Gangsta Disciple with the Black Vice Lord Unite the FBA with the Black American who's immediate ancestors were immigrants THAT'S the type of unity I want to see!!!

Stefan But when it comes to politics, the only way forward for Black America is through political coalition, alliances and cooperation. The Obama Coalition comprised African-Americans, Latinos, women, independents, millennials and those with a college education. Obama recognized coalitions work and win. Why can't you? With all of this Rodney King "can't we all get along and love eachother" wishful thinking.....you're neglecting a few things. 1. Alliances and coalitions can't be ONE SIDED. In order for you to work with Whites, Latinos, and Asians they have to WANT to work with and form alliances with you...and most don't. Most just want to USE AfroAmericans for their own benefit and exploit our community to benefit theirs. Black folks are running around BEGGING for an alliance with others, but they aren't begging....asking...or even wanting an alliance with YOU. They want you OUT OF THE WAY so they can get closer to White folks. 2. Any coalitions and alliances made must be beneficial to US. You don't unite and form alliances with other people JUST BECAUSE. We have to actually GET something out of it. The White folks who supported Obama did so because they stood to BENEFIT from him being in office whether they were politicians who needed his charisma and popularity to help THEM get into office or members of the LGBT community who would benefit from his presidency by him ushering in more LGBT friendly laws. The Latinos who DID support him....many if not most didn't...did it because of the assumed open border policies of the Democrat party. Most Asians did NOT support him because they didn't see any benefit for them. Most people with good sense and high esteem don't go around supporting people JUST BECAUSE but they do it strategically because they see a benefit in it for themselves and their community. You want us to form coalitions and alliances with these other groups just to be "liked" by them even if it benefits nothing for us. What benefit is there for us to unite with these people MORE than uniting OUR PEOPLE with eachother first? What do they have to offer us???? We have the numbers. We have more political power than any other demographic except White Americans. And although it's disproportionate, we actually have more WEALTH than any other group outside of White Americans. Again, what do THEY have to offer US for an alliance???? Like I said earlier, when it comes to these other non-Black groups it seems YOU want an "alliance" with them.....THEY DON'T. They either want to exploit you or want you out of their way so they can get closer to White power.

ProfD You've probably heard that narrative over and over because the AfroAmerican community has changed DRASTICALLY since the 80s But it's more than just a narrative, but behavior I've actually WITNESSED myself over decades. Embracing the gangsta lifestyle Shitty business practices. Lack of discipline and self esteem. Rampant drug use and addiction. These vices are found among all ethnic and racial groups but the problem as it relates to our community is not only the negative element GROWN since the 80s but our community seems to embrace much of it and many try to make it part of our culture. Most other groups try to HIDE their dirty laundry, but since the late 80s a lot of our people have taken pride AIRING their dirty laundry all over television and radio and now online. And just going to a college campus and witnessing it being flooded out with a bunch of Black kids sagging in skinny jeans isn't a very good barometer of how well our youth are doing academically. Atleast 2 more things need to be taken into account: 1. How many of these kids will actually GRADUATE with atleast a Bachelor Degree? 2. In what FIELD will they be getting these degrees in? Will it be in one of the STEM fields that are so important for getting a well paying job, establishing a tech company, or building a new world? Or did they get a degree in Grasshopper mating, or the vague "Criminal Justice" degree so many Black folk I know got in college before they went on to a career in Target or Starbucks...lol.

Stefan @Stefan Blacks will never be able to unite unless we get our thinking straight. Well, if you're sitting around waiting for all of our people to get their "thinking straight"....then you're essentially saying Blacks won't unite....lol. You demand Blacks need to leave California because Latinos have the numbers in Southern California. Yes. Which eliminates any chance of Blacks having a major voice in U.S. presidential elections for the future. False. We can increase OUR population and THE population of any state we choose if we'd focus on doing it. Including California....but that would be too hard of a battle and not worth it. We are only SLIGHTLY less than Latinos in population, so leaving California and concentrating in other states will be very beneficial strategically. If you are not a resident of California, then you cannot vote there. Which lessens the chance of Democrats winning the state's electoral votes. Who cares? The state is lost anyway. Let it drop in the ocean And all because you are still pissed off about a citation you received for jaywalking years ago. You're delusional....lol. You also claimed that Haiti needs to return to pre-Christian traditional African beliefs. On what basis? Because YOU think so? On the basis of THAT is actually won Haiti her independence in the first place. Abandoning White Jesus and Christianity and embracing African Spirituality again. The only way to quell the horrible gang violence in Haiti is a military intervention and the country in the best position to accomplish this is the United States. Calling on spurious spirits will not help at all. The United States and the West are likely the ones who are FORMENTING the gang violence in the first damn place. So why in the hell would you think THEY would be the ones to quell it and establish peace????? It sounds as if you don't know a lot about Haiti's 20th Century history or even what led to it which is the Monroe Doctrine and chicanery and skullduggery by vile U.S. politicians and their Black turncoat lackeys. It sounds like you don't know too much about Haitian history and White racism PERIOD if you think begging White nations to come to Haiti to help her is the "solution". I also recall you demanding a group of Blacks take revenge on the Buffalo, N.Y., Tops Supermarket shooter by traveling there and killing him. Nope. Never said such a thing. Although I wouldn't stand in the way of them if they did...lol The only problem was the dude was already in custody and just as I predicted, is not going to see the light of freedom for the rest of his natural life. Has he been tried and convicted yet? How do you know what is fate will be? At times, you pop off with weird shit that is always based on your ego. 🤣 Lol...look who's talking. Chev @Chevdove WHAT about @Mel Hopkins? Lol...Mel is too smart to get tangled up in a back and forth with me. You don't think that you are being disrespectful to the sistas that chose to mate with a non-Black man? No, but many of the sistas who choose to mate and dote on and fawn over and "fall in love" with non-Black men ARE being disrespectful to the bruthas and openly so. Many will OPENLY walk around with a White man on their arms laughing loudly and showing the world how good of a time they are having now that they've found a non-Negro as a lover as a way of "getting back". Most Black men don't do that. Most Black men with a White or non-Black woman just want them for sex but could care less about "getting even" or trying to show them off to spite Black women. Why should a sista or a Brotha have to explain to you that their significant other is 'NOT-WHITE'? What does that have to do with them being Black? They're still Black. Their RACE isn't in question....their LOYALTY is. Mel @Mel Hopkins Here! Hi lovely! Lol...😊....Hiiieeeee! Frankster @frankster The first article you referenced on the academic performance of AfroAmericans is irrelevant because whether or not Obama's Presidency had an impact on desire for AfroAmerican youth to achieve higher goals academically and politically is undisputed. Again, my question is what impact did he have on our MORAL disposition in general? I think Troy may have pointed it out already but according to FBI statistics crime was already going down nation wide....not just in the Black community for years BEFORE Obama took office and just continued on a slight decline. Any decline likely had nothing to do with Obama's Presidency which means him being in office did little to change the moral esteem of most of our people. One Rebel against that which is despicable.....Rebellion is one of the signs of defiance in which change is demanded. Ok...but just being defiant and angry doesn't always lead to change. Sometimes it just leads to death and removal. Being a gangsta and selling dope isn't "revolutionary" it's just rebellious. Insurrection is a Rising Dissatisfaction with Injustice In some cases. Many of those who witnessed the insurrection of January 6th may beg to differ that THAT one was fueled by "injustice". Rebellion is a Willingness to confront Injustice. Not necessarily "confront" it. Just disobey it. There's a difference. Revolt is Confrontation with the Forces of Injustice and a Demand for Change. A revolt isn't a "demand" for change. At that point....the demands are over. During a Revolt....the Revolutionaries are making the changes THEMSELVES...lol. Moral and Ethics as well as Good and Evil are Perspectives.....and changes depending on Time Place and Culture. Beneficial as in Life and Well being Promoting changes a lot less. True. However it hasn't much, in our community over the past 40 years or so. Most Things in Nature is diverse.... Diversity and Variety is a Natural adaptation and survival skill....it is not a weakness but a strength. True in most cases. But in come cases "diversity" and "variety" are symptoms of disease and dysfunction. Abnormality. Grey hair is a variant of it's original darker color, but it's a sign of melanin deficiency and age. Do Not Confuse Unity with Conformity. Conformity cannot be maintain without force and subterfuge. Instead seek Harmony by finding Common ground and Beneficial sausion Sometimes you need to FORCE conformity on one generation to ACHIEVE unity with the next. Especially when you're dealing with a people who are being PURPOSELY divided and kept divided from both internal AND EXTERNAL forces. Racists use force and deception to keep our people divided....so we must also use a measure of force to unite them. The UNITED States used FORCE to keep the Union together and keep this nation from splitting apart....and now it's among the most powerful in the world.

ProfD All of what you just said is ABSOLUTELY true! However...... When I look at the BEHAVIOR of a large percentage of our people and compare US with these other immigrant groups pound for pound. You have to admit that collectively speaking not only are they more appreciative of what few opportunities DO exist in this nation, but they also tend to work harder, try harder to stay OUT of trouble, and are more industrious in trying to establish and operate their own businesses. Things are people (AfroAmericans) were well known for ourselves until about 50 years ago. Not sure if White folks are encouraging them to practice these traits while discouraging us from doing so.....or perhaps most of our leaders aren't leading us in the right direction. As a quick aside, when it comes to criticizing the failures of AfroAmerica..... wish Black Republicans/Conservative politicians would start pushing THIS message again instead of the "all roads lead to Trump" bullshit they have been pushing for the past 7 years or so. There used to be a time when even if they were obvious sell-outs and Toms, atleast you could rely on them to admonish the sins and dysfunctions of the AfroAmerican community. They won't even do THAT today. I saw some clown on Youtube a couple years ago calling himself a "Hood Conservative" smoking weed with a gold chain on his neck talking about pimping and supporting Trump...lol. Who cares about working hard and doing the right thing for Jesus.....those were the OLD Black Conservatives. The NEW Black Conservatives bash women, smoke weed, and worship Donald Trump...lol

ProfD I'm no scholar on the issue so I may be wrong, but it's my understanding that slavery in the Caribbean islands was actually MUCH more brutal than in the United States. The White population was much smaller so they resorted to much more brutal tactics to instill fear and discourage rebellion. Speaking of the Haitian Revolution, I recall one scholar saying that slavery in Saint Domingue (French name before it was changed back to Haiti) was so intense that the French used to put Black folks in barrels of human shit....seal it....and roll them down hills for punishment.

ProfD We can see them AND enjoy them while acknowledging the true purpose they serve. Kind of how we listen to and bounce to NWA and Ice Cube while knowing full well that Gangsta Rap was designed and promoted to encourage dysfunction in the AfroAmerican community. It's no different from violent movies and gangsta rap. We have to be mature enough to separate fact from fiction. Then perhaps these films shouldn't be seen by anyone UNDER 25, since most young people aren't mature enough to make that separation. For them, life should imitate art.

Chev Listen woman...... I just GAVE you the facts on the Haitian Revolution! It wasn't started by Toussaint....but by a Black man named Bookman during an African spiritual ceremony back in a remote swamp in Haiti. They sacrificed a Black pig and abandoned Catholic and other religions that came to them from White folks and began to accept Vodoun and their Ancestors again. Now I'm not gonna sit up here and go back and forth with you over history that already been established and verified by the scholars. All you have to do is research it what I'm saying can be verified in 5 minutes. richardmurray People forget Cuba, the closest country to haiti , didn't have a similar revolution. And black people in cuba were oppressed by whites or mestizoes. Jamaica a little farther but the same. I'm not sure, but some say that one of the reasons it jumped off in Haiti instead of those other islands is because the oppression and slavery was so much more harsh there. I've heard it said that the overbearing oppressive conditions pushed the people toward revolution.

So the two so-called "best" Black films of 2022 just HAPPEN to be films depicting and encouraging Black women to take on roles as soldiers, fighters, and warriors. Clearly an agenda is afoot.

Black militias were popping up all over the United States back in 2020 after the riots. Wonder what happened to them and the movement?

Regardless of his actions, do you agree with most of what the man actually says and the way he articulates it? A professor doesn't have to PRACTICE law in order to KNOW and TEACH it.