Pioneer1

I believe SOME power....or maybe a more accurate term would be as Neely Fuller Jr. would put it "position of comfort" in the system of Racism....can be negotiated. I look at the Asians....who clearly aren't White....but are allowed to have their own little Chinatowns and Koreatowns across the country. White folks are letting them have SOME power, over themselves atleast. It's the same with the brown skinned Latinos to a certain extent. My point is, as a community I believe we can do MUCH better and especially our "leaders" and politicians. They can get us much much more than what they've gotten us so far which is why I say White folks are FULLY responsible for the condition our community is in.

ProfD White folks through eachother under the bus all the time....lol. They just know WHEN to do it, HOW to do it, and WHO to do it around, and most of all they don't let their internal differences get in their way of practicing racism. White folks ostracize, abandon, set-up, lie on, cheat on, and kill eachother all over the planet but they still pretty much agree to put all of that to the side if a "Black threat" comes along threatening to limit or dissolve their power. When it comes to Kanye, it's not so much about throwing him under the bus as it is about CHECKING him and his nonsense. The dude is crazy as hell and like Willie D said he's actually a THREAT to our community: The nigga is just as bad if not worse than the dope dealers and gangster rappers because his platform is so huge and he's getting so much attention....negative attention....that is being painted as representative of the Black community, when it's not. Most Black folks don't talk or think like that clown. As I said time and time again, his face is being used as the NEW MASK of anti-semitism and right-wing doctrine. So now if you try to make the claim that "Black folks" aren't anti-semitic or we don't say silly extremist shit like the right-wing....they can just prove you wrong by pointing at Kanye.

Frankster Yes.....but I will not belittle this accomplishment instead I would rather use it to inspire. Well, my observation on how little effect he had on the MORAL self esteem of most AfroAmericans isn't a belittlement of his accomplishments. It's merely an observation of facts. Did Obama's Presidency reduce the amount of crime and violence in the AfroAmerican community? Moral esteem aren't the ONLY factors in crime and violence but how you view yourself and others who look like you certainly is a BIG factor in this. Moral Worth is Dignity and Self Respect....Self Esteem is Confidence and in One's abilities. I agree with you on confidence, but not on self-esteem and moral worth. Self-esteem INCLUDES confidence but not limited to or "is" Confidence in an of itself. Further.... Your "moral worth" is your MORAL principles and codes. This has more to do with your honesty, treatment of other people, and your relationship to The Divine. An IMMORAL man can still have dignity and self-respect which are more ethical and personal characteristics. When adult or teenage Blacks use the word "Bad"...it is bad as in good - a sort of revolutionary act. I understand this. However the ROOT REASON for this "revolutionary act" is to show society (i.e. White folks) that if they are the "good people" then the Black folks are the "bad people" to counter them and challenge them. It's less revolutionary and more REBELLIOUS. A REVOLUTION is calculated with a plan on the other send of it. But a REBELLION is just an act of defiance against a superior power out of anger with no clear aim or objective other than irritating that power. A big temper tantrum. When Black folks started calling themselves "bad" as a positive term, still subconsciously it was a term of being "rebellious" against White authority or White society seen by them as "good" or "ordained". My point is.....we need to GET OUT of their societal and moral norms and establish (or re-discover) and embrace OUR OWN moral and societal norms and be "good" again. Time out for being a serpentine devil in someone else's Garden. Chev This is one-sided @Pioneer1 Where is @Cynique! Man! LOL. Lol...so why don't YOU apply for the Push-Back-On-Pioneer position while she's taking a leave of absence? ProfD & Frankster The lack of unity isn't just an AfroAmerican problem but a BLACK problem globally. The continent of Africa has more languages (over 1000) and ethnic groups than any other continent and it's not just because of population but because Black folks are do divided from eachother. One nation may have 100 different tribes living in it fighting with eachother for power and resources. Shaka Zulu was actually on his way to solve this problem by using his superior Zulu military to conquer one African kingdom after another until eventually the entire continent would be united under him....kind of like what the Roman Empire did with Europe. The British saw this progress happening and stepped in to stop it. By nature the DOMINANT TRIBE conquers the smaller ones and THAT is how unity takes place. But White folks have been artificially inflating and arming smaller weaker tribes to keep nature from taking it's course and keep things off balance. And it's the same here in the United States. Black movements like the UNIA and Nation of Islam would have gobbled up and replaced the other little scams and shams operating in the AfroAmerican community and would have UNIFIED our community....if it weren't for White interference.

Chev Obviously you are believing in false information @Pioneer1 Haitians are said to practice the Catholic religion and Voudun widely. Isn't that what I just said? Ethiiopia is the only country that was not colonized and the video reference I posted talked about this. Many Ethiopians practice the Abrahamic religion; COPTIC. They weren't colonized militarily but they were CERTAINLY colonized mentally. The fact that so many of them believe in a religion brought TO them by non-Africans is an example of this. Another example of how mentally colonized and enslaved Ethiopians are is how the lightest skinned Ethiopians with the most European or Arab features are often in charge and held in a higher esteem than the darker more kinky haired ones are. Infact, many of the same ones who BROUGHT Ethiopia those Abrahamic religions mixed in with the original darker skinned population and set up a hierarchy where the lighter ones who believed in those religions were on top and the darker more African peoples who believed in traditional religions were on the bottom. Italy attempted 2 full scale invasions in Ethiopia and the video I posted highlighted this. One main reason the Ethiopians were successful, it was explained was that they were widely united and their religion did not hamper their goal. Another reason they weren't conquered MAY be the same reason they weren't physically colonized....because they have the Ark of the Covenant. That is the one issue, I believe will cause African people a continual problem for most, in that, they constantly attack each other and attempt to force their religious beliefs on others. Religious beliefs is a human right and if a person's religion gives them the right to attack others and attempt to force it on others, then that should not be allowed. That should be a freedom of choice. I agree. However at the same time, we have to acknowledge the mental damage European and Arab religions and their moral philosophies have had on so many of our people. Just the so-called "Curse of Ham/Canaan" alone has done so much damage having many Black folks walking around thinking they were cursed to be slaves and underclass. As a Christian, I absolutely believe in the scriptures in that we all must unify and be ONE BODY, however, as the scriptures say, this unity will happened but it will not occur for about a thousand years and not until Black-on-Black Hatred and disrespect of others becomes rooted out. Honestly sis, right now I'm not sure if it's even a good thing FOR all or most Black folks to "unite". There are too many Black folks with screwed up beliefs and morals for me to unite with them. Their minds and moral compass has been so twisted and perverted that the best thing to do is stay AWAY from them. No, that is not true. That is false information. Papa Doc, yes, he was a Voudon but, his methods were brutal with his bogeyman guards. TOUSSAINT LOVERTURE was a devout CATHOLIC!!! He was successful in what led up to Haiti's freedom and not by voodoo or majic. Toussaint may have been a Catholic but HE wasn't the one who jumped off or even got the Haitian Revolution going! He was a LATE COMER in the game. The Haitian Revolution was already hot and rolling when Toussaint got on board and became a leader. The Haitian Revolution start with the Bois Caïman A meeting enslaved Haitian had in an alligator swamp. There they decided to renounce Christianity/Catholicism and go back to their African religion and call upon their Ancestors for success and fight to the death to defeat their slave masters. That was a powerful night.

Chev Sounds like one of my favorite movies called "The Circle Of Iron" That was one CRAZY ass movie....lol...even dressed humans up to play monkeys living in a cave. "Back away from me. The role of the monkey....is to play the fool"

ProfD Well, Umar is my boy...but HE may need a few lashes or atleast a ruler across the knuckles for caping for Krazy ass Kanye....lol Charlamagne was right about Kanye, I can't ride with the good doctor on that one.

ProfD Or they try to find a "scandal" on them to ruin their reputation. But I like what The Black Authority said a few years back: "They don't like you because you're Black.....but they MISTREAT you because they can" In other words. Racists will be racists, but the amount of power they have directly influences their ability to mistreat you. So the lesson is we should seek as many positions of power and authority as we can in this world.

Why are you "amazed" that a racist society would reward racists over their victims????

Somebody gotta email Umar and tell him he's too big of a brother to be getting that loud during conversations 😂 Even if there is no intention of physical contact, I think by nature most men subconsciously size up the men they're arguing with and wonder "what if"...lol. 😜 If this big brutha DOES lose it and go off....can I handle him or atleast get him off of me??? That DOES cross a brutha's mind when serious disagreements arise.

Man yall something else with them lashes....LOL I can see that metaphor being used for a good 7 or 8 years before it fades away. *And I DON'T see White folks stealing that one like they often steal our other metaphors.

ProfD Had brotha Malcolm X not been assassinated, I believe AfroAmericans would be in a much better net position both in terms of self-awareness and unity. I agree. I'd also say the same for Dr.King and Khalid Abdul Muhammad to a certain extent. With powerful exact and uncompromising voices like THOSE speaking to and for us....it would have been HARD for our community to go in the wrong direction. Malcolm would have hipped us to the dope and Gangsta rap before it even materialized.

I'm curious as to what most people think of the last 15 minutes or so of Dr. Johnson's interview on The Breakfast Club last week and how him and Charlemagne were going at it hard with their different opinions on various topics. Take a look: I personally enjoyed the VERY spirited debate, however I can see how many would take exception to Charlemagne's constant passive-aggressive poking and prodding the doctor over issues they clearly disagreed on and I can definitely see how some could take exception to Dr. Umar raising his voice for an extended period of time, pointing his finger aggressively, and getting so emotionally stirred up. Do you think this was unprofessional on the part of both....or do we NEED more dialog like this with 2 intelligent Black men showing us how to vehemently disagree with each other without going to blows?

ProfD Man I'm glad you said something I was getting ready to post a thread on the back-n-forth between those two on the show. I personally enjoyed the pushback Charlemagne (I'm not calling that nigga or any other man "the god") was giving him but I wonder how some of the audience took it. Did it seem unprofessional on his part, or Dr. Umar's part for constantly raising his voice.

Well, to be clear we had an AFROAMERICAN President...I wouldn't necessarily call him "Black" and definitely not FBA. However our people ABSOLUTELY have still have low self esteem despite having HAD an AfroAmerican President. Your self esteem is more than your accomplishments and confidence but your MORAL WORTH as well. Many if not most of our people subconsciously see themselves as more criminal and wicked than Caucasians. It's ingrained in many of them since childhood because of the teachings of Christianity, especially the European kind. Many AfroAmericans like many Black people around the globe see themselves as spiritually and morally INFERIOR to Caucasians and believe they are somehow "cursed" as seeds of Cain or Canaan or Ham or the Devil. This is one of the reasons since as far back as you can remember many Black males took pride in calling themselves "bad". Even little Black boys will defiantly tell their mothers "I'm bad" before challenging her. This low self esteem and self worth is ingrained through religion and enforced through the media.

ProfD Very few strong and righteous Black men are willing to give up living their best lives in order to corral and discipline dysfunctional n8gglets. Men of ALL colors are generally hesitant to do this, which is why you have MERCENARIES who are often paid to do the dirty work other men would rather not do. You just need to provide these brothers with the proper INCENTIVE to protect their community....that's all. And what is that? Keep it real.....wealth and women. If a man is vetted to have no sexual misconduct or any other serious criminal activity in his background and is intelligent enough and courageous enough...... Not only do you TRAIN him how to keep peace in the community but don't expect the brother to do it for free. PAY him a substantial amount for his services along with providing him with the sexual comforts of his choice. THAT'S RIGHT. Like Elijah Muhammad said in the movie, we aren't Catholic Priests. We don't believe in celibacy! If the brother is fighting and putting his life on the life to protect the community HELL YEAH he should be allowed to have the women of his choice to satisfy his needs as long as they aren't forced. Not that it has to be led by a religious figure but I still contend that the AfroAmerican community needa a sustainable Million Man March to Jumpstart codification and enforcement of our agenda in all areas of human activity. I second that. Not totally necessary, but it would be ideal Troy I don't know how you prevent this? Savages will always be amongst us. They are not always raised, they are born that way. You'll have savages, but their savage inclination can be SUPPRESSED with the proper deterrent. A person can be a pedophile but not ACT on their inclinations and desires if they know the consequences would be torture and death.

Black politicians are certainly limited in their power, but they can surely do far more than what they ARE doing. The first step....which is obviously easier said than done....is losing their fear of death and poverty. If only we could find a Black politicians holding office already with balls the size of Krazy Kanye Kardashian....lol.

It's pretty much just White folks (and a few of their allies of color) practicing more White racism distributing weapons among the people to keep up instability. If it weren't for White folks and Arabs infiltrating Haiti and flooding gangsters and criminals with guns, the government would easily be able to get control of this situation.

Troy No problem. Well, if you really want to take this site in that direction or add Zoom-type forum on to it.....don't let OUR opinions stop you. Go ahead and experiment and see if it gets you what you're looking for. But be forewarned that more comments and members generally lead to more problems. Also, White people will certainly bring more discussion and topics to this site, even when it comes to Black issues. They'll even give you money to support more content. But with that will come more subtle but sure control and influence by them. As for engaging in the other forums and pages 🤷‍♂️ I'm not sure why but it's become kind of my thing to stay in my "hood" here, lol. I'd like to think I'm waiting for some sort of special occasion before I go exploring the other forums.

This is why we need more Black (AfroAmerican, African, and AfroLatino) psychologists and psychiatrists not only in the United States but GLOBALLY to deal with the mental problems so many of our people suffer from. I'm of the belief that if we take control of OUR OWN healthcare systems instead of relying on Caucasian systems, we'd come up with not just effective treatments but the actual CURES for most if not all of the ailments so many of our people possess be they mentally or physically. Dr.Sebi cured a lot of diseases by himself as just one individual. Most people who haven't experienced them don't understand how REAL Depression and other mental problems are. They think Depression and Anxiety are like any emotion you can turn on and off at will or calm yourself down after a few moments. Seriously mentally ill people have chemical and in many cases brain structural problems BEYOND their control. This is one of the reasons I KIND OF like what Mayor Adams is doing in New York by forcing a lot of the mentally ill homeless people off the streets and involuntarily institutionalizing them. We have to see where he's going with it, but it HAS to be done and should have been done decades ago. They threw those poor people out on the street without a lifeline hoping they would just die and since then America has been living with it for decades to the point we think it's normal to see crazy people laying around on the sidewalks and piling up on the street. We think it's their "right" to do that, where as in the past they were understood to be sick and needed help.

ProfD But you know brother Malcolm was a RELIGIOUS man and firmly believed that Islam was the key to AfroAmerican salvation. Atleast this was his firm belief in the months before he was taken from us.

Listen to the first few minutes (8:30 to about 10:30 minute mark) of Dr. Umar Johnson's take on the election:

ProfD Actually, knowing what I know now...I believe TRUE Spirituality actually WILL solve our problems. All of them. The key is in understanding what "True Spirituality" is....and what it is not. Spirituality isn't lighting candles, burning incense, or sitting with your legs crossed mumbling jibberish hoping somebody will float down with a sword and save you from your enemies. Spirituality actually includes being able to leave your body to gather information. Spirituality is going to other realms and other worlds to get information and technology to bring back to THIS realm and use to advance your society. White people have been using the above said Spirituality for centuries to advance their society. They used it in the form of Remove Viewing and other secret programs that they learned by studying Indigenous Shaman. They give Negroes FAKE spirituality in the form of religions and charms and superstitions in order to keep them confused and running around in circles doing that which is ineffective, but many of THEM practice the real tried-n-true methods.

ProfD I've said many times before, the Government itself has ways of finding out WHO you are and WHERE you are. That's not the problem....or the biggest one atleast. The bigger problem are these little Alt-Right and racist groups who run around here ALSO doing surveillance on Black websites trying to keep track of members and posters and who is saying and doing what. They don't have the technology that the government has. The only personal information most of them have of you if what you GIVE them by putting it out their online for them to collect. I think that's what gets a lot of our people in trouble. Not thinking and being so bold and naive as to put too much of their business and personal information out there in cyberspace not suspecting the worse. Our people too often put more of an emphasis on being BRAVE than being SMART, and this bravo often costs them their lives.

I absolutely believe this! Especially when White folks are encouraging it. I suspected and discovered a long time ago that many White folks want to join our organizations and live among us not to actually HELP us but to stir up division among us as well as keep an eye on us to see what we're talking about, planning, and doing. It was so frustrating the try and tell other AfroAmericans this only for them to disbelieve it. I also believe that many AfroAmericans who encourage alliances with other groups and stress the importance of working with other races REALLY are inlove with members of those other races and see that strategy as an opportunity to get closer to them and have access to more interracial sex. They don't want to just come right out and admit they're looking for an Asian woman or Latina man to hook up with and marry. No....lol....that's too obvious. They talk a lot of pro-Black talk then start mentioning different events for us to attend where we can link up with them. Next thing you know they're bringing them to meetings and having lunch with them. How many sisters I've had to distance myself from because they got into heavy relationships with White men who they INSISTED weren't White. "What's the problem? That man ain't White....he Italian. Damn!" "How many times we gotta go through this. I told you...he ain't White.....he Polish!"

Chev I don't know about this though, because, just what is FULL AFRICAN? IMO, a lot of AFrican conflicts are based on the same confusion that you have outlined. By "full African" I mean no longer following the so-called Abrahamic religions and going back to seeking help from The SUPREME BEING and The Ancestors and getting in too with Spirituality and what they call "magic". White society may condemn "magic" and what they call "witchcraft" but much of it got Haiti it's freedom. They called on Jesus for centuries and didn't get free, but when they called on their Ancestors and practices that "magic" they got their freedom from the French devils within on decade. YES, what I mean by a 'Catch-22' is that I believe part of the 'destablization' of outsiders is that they encouraged the Haitians to practive Voudu after a while when they came to realize that the Haitians equated their ancestors spirits with the Catholic religious saints. That, imo, is part of the problem with this Spiritual confusion that you so brilliantly stated. Yes, that's what I'm talking about Spiritual Confusion! They mix up the African Deities and their Ancestors with these Catholic "saints"....many of whom are actually Roman Deities and they began to confuse the 2 separate groups. You shouldn't venerate African Deities AND European Deities together. You don't even PRETEND to venerate the Deities of your enemy. The brown Latinos do the same thing with Santeria....mixing Native American and African Deities with the Catholic ones in some effort to "hide" what they're doing. No....TOTALLY reject European religion and morality and TOTALLY embrace African Spirituality and your Ancestors. Then let's see the results. Troy Where are these gangs getting all of these weapons and ammunition? Lol....was that a rhetorical question?