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Chev But yet, I should believe you, with NO formal education? You, who like me are not in the land of AFrica? Yes. The less formal education you have usually means the less indoctrinated. One of the differences between people like me and people like the ones you speak of is that they merely read the English Bible and ATTACH themselves to the scriptures. I read the HEBREW translations of it and get the more accurate meaning. I go to the history of each book of the Bible and find out what languages they were originally written in and transliterate certain key words to see the contradictions and mistranslations. So while my educaton may not be formal, it's more accurate and more indepth because it's not given to me by those with an agenda to keep me in a state of oppression. Further........ Just because someone is living on a particular land was born on it doesn't necessarily mean they know the history behind it, especially ancient history. For example..... We (AfroAmericans) were born and raised in the United States.....how much of the history of the particular Native American tribe that inhabited the land YOUR CITY is now built on, do you know about? It's the same with many of our people in Africa. Many of the people are born, work-sleep-eat, and die on the land without knowing much of it's history. Unless they have an Elder/Griot who can give them an accurate history of their land and people, much of the history they get comes from what Caucasians teach them in universities.

Damn, the shit was 3 years ago.....why is he JUST NOW apologizing? Wait, let me guess! He repented and now has a change of heart! Yeah...that's it! ......the no good bastids.

Chev You are correct, that the Moors of North Africa are the descendants primarily of the Emori (Ammorite) people! "I thought that you were all, Well—" Maybe she wanted to say she thought all Americans were, Well- WHITE ...lol. Many people think ONLY White people live in America. Anyway sis..... As I've mentioned before, the original HEBREWS were and still are Africans.....but the original (and current) children of Israel were Caucasian. You can't always go by what some of our people from Africa say because just like our people here many of them have been colonized and indoctrinized by Christianity, Islam, and Judaism for hundreds of years. They are indoctrinated with Caucasian based scriptures and believe in them so deeply that they constantly want to see THEMSELVES in every scripture. Negroes calling themselves "Moses", another negro calling himself "Jesus" and yet another is running around with his shirt off and a gold chain around his neck calling himself "King Solomon"....lol. You'd probably get more accurate information talking to a traditional tribal elder who doesn't believe in any of these so-called "monotheistic" religions and believe in their traditional religion.

Problem is....... That 400 years of bondage in Egypt never happened. It was a myth that the Rabbis made up in Babylon when they were inventing the religion of Judaism. This is why in the New Testament when you read the geneology of Jesus's lineage in the first chapter of Matthew it doesn't include a 400 year time period where the Israelites were in captivity. 1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. 2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; 3 And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram; 4 And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon; 5 And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse; 6 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias It goes pretty much from Abraham and Isaac straight to David the king with only a few people in between, not nearly enough people for a 400 or 500 year time period. Infact, when Jesus was arguing with the Jews in John 8:33 we find this exchange: 31Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 33They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? According to this scripture these Jews say that they....the seed of Abraham....was NEVER in bondage to anyone! No sis...... There was no Egyptian slavery. You said this was an ancient practice but to my knowledge there are no records of people being lynched or hung from trees before this biblical reference. Do you know of any ancient Indian, Egyptian, or Native American records of people being hung from trees as a punishment?

Troy I wasn't talkng about forming our own separate nation, although that's what we NEED to do. I was talking about remaining citizens of this nation as AfroAmericans paying taxes and serving in offices but establishing our own institutions (banks, schools, buying property, ect.....) so that we are more independant citizens. However since you asked the questions..................... When you say "we" have to live together: -We can all live together. Or -We can all live apart. Or we can do BOTH with some choosing to live with Caucasians and others choosing not to. I know you don't believe it but keep in mind I've said that Black people are TRILLIONS of years old and have been on this planet for TRILLIONS of years before the Caucasian even came into existence. How were we surviving THEN without them? We don't need them to live, they need us. Now, if we choose to live together....... Then it become a question about who will be in charge. If Caucasians are in charge, most of the Original peoples of the planet will not live in peace and comfort. As I said in another thread, their nature is different than ours and If they are in charge they will build laws and a system that works great for THEM but will not agree with US. However if WE (Original people) are in charge then ALL people's will live in relative comfort and relative peace including the Caucasian, although many of them would still have a strong desire to dominate. But enough of my rambling, I don't want to jack Camila's thread.....lol.

Troy So now you say that white people natures are different and therefore less susceptible to being converted into a homosexual than a Black person who watches drag queens on TV. Do i understand you correctly. Yes. Generally speaking, they tend to have stronger intellects. Most of the time when a Caucasian does something they know EXACTLY what they're doing and why they're doing it. They have a purpose. Too often when a Black person does something they do it because they see Caucasians doing it and that's the only reason. Getting tattoos is a good example. Caucasians know exactly why THEY get tattoos, most Black folks don't...except it being "in style". Watching Ru Paul may not turn heterosexual Black MEN into homosexuals but what about the young impressionable AfroAmerican BOYS who are watching him on television switching and snapping and acting flamboyantly feminine (more feminine than even women act) ? Children learn how to act in society by watching the adults....especially adults who look like them. If little Black boys turn on the television and HALF of the Black men they see are wearing dresses, switching and snapping; and the women on the show.....instead of finding a man who behaves like that disgusting....are shown hugging them and praising them and delighting in their company -many of these boys will grow up wanting to be like that! They may not be homosexual, but they will ACT feminine and flamboyant for attention and fame. Television shows aren't called PROGRAMMING for nothing, there's an agenda going on!

Chev I've heard Ben Crump get on television and mentioned this before. I think they should go ahead and charge the officers instead of announcing it before they do so. My, my, my how they can come up with new laws and new ways to charge people when they claimed at first that they couldn't.....lol. Like Troy asked, what's the deal with Oprah?

That's right. If you recall some years ago they were knocking them down and tearing them down but a lot of the local governments and citizens got in the way and started protesting against it so most of them remained. But now that so many Black folks are hyped up and out in the streets tearing up.....they aren't even putting up an argument. In today's climate....... If a Black woman were to pull down her pants and piss on one of those statues before taking a hammer to it I doubt if anyone would have a negative word to say about it right now...lol. They may be thinking negative, but they won't dare say shit. It's the same with the Confederate flag. No one should feel comforable walking around waving a Confederate flag or wearing one on their t-shirt in public! The problem with our people is we often let people do shit for so long without raising sand about it to the point that they get COMFORTABLE with their racism and then it reaches a boiling point where Black folks go crazy and end up burning down half the damn city and all of a sudden everyone gets in line and acts respectable.

Where did this idea of lynching Black people by hanging them from trees come from? What is it's history? Some of you opened this thread and thought I was going to take you back to the 1700s to William Lynch or maybe even the 1400s. Nooooo, when I give you the history of a thing I take you back to it's ORIGIN to it's ROOT! The history of lynching (public execution) people from trees has a history that goes back THOUSANDS of years. The Children of Israel that you read about in the Bible are the Caucasian ("white") race. As historically inaccurate as it may be at times the Old Testament of the Bible is a pretty good account of their exploits as they invaded the middle east and began attacking cities, murdering, and enslaving the Original men, women, and children they found there. Now, this practice of killing people and then hanging them from trees or hanging them on trees while they were still alive and chopping off body parts most likely started when the Caucasians who were called by the people of that region "children of Israel" cross the Jordan river and invaded the lands of the Original people collectively known as the Kenaani (called Canaanites in the Bible). They would kill them and hang them from their sacred trees (groves) and statues as a form of terror and public execution. They would also use this as a punishment for eachother but would take the body down before night. It's mentioned in the Bible in the book of Deuteronomy ch. 21: 22-23 this way: "And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he is to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree, his body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day (for he that is hanged is accursed of God), that thy land be not defiled which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance"

.....mmmmmm BOY it's amazing how quickly the wheeeeeels get to rollin' and the geeeears get to turnin' when Negroes get to sweating and tearing shit up! They were killing Black people with impunity just a few weeks ago, now I'm hearing that people are getting fired just for LOOKING at a Black person cross eyed....lol.

Obama should have been fighting for universal healthcare. He had the charisma to get it done....if he had really wanted to.

Lol, damn! Chev I think I still need some therapy. Lol...... If you're anywhere NEAR as angry as your post comes across.....I don't think even therapy will help! I think you should consider training for MMA (mixed martial arts) competitions where you can blow off some steam by shedding some blood in the ring! It's a shame how so many AfroAmericans are having their c hildren snatched away from them over the most petty bullshit reasons, meanwhile out in places like Nevada and Utah you have entire White CULT communities where children are being raised on isolated compounds as slaves and being brainwashed and the government does pretty much nothing about it. I used to live in Arizona and you have dozens of these Mormon compounds where entire communities of children are being raised in abusive communities. In these places incest is also very common and the local law enforcement not only know about it but are in on it! But there are cases where an AfroAmerican woman may be driving with her children and if she has a traffic ticket warrant and gets stopped....instead of the cop considering the children and choosing NOT arresting her....some of these no good racists will choose TO arrest her and instead of allowing her to call a family member to come and her the children until she gets out of jail, they will PUT THEM into Child Protective Services and hope they end up in the system! And then do you know what happens to many Black children who end up in the foster care system? They end up being adopted by wealthy homosexual Caucasian couples! These type of couples TARGET Black children for adoption so they can experiment raising them into freakish behavior!

Camila I would not allow myself to be subjected to this type of disrespect and abuse and would look for other employment and/or start a business. I would also report this matter to the proper agencies. So what I'm hearing is..... Your answer to that type of abuse is to express your grievances but then LEAVE that abusive environment and for a better one or better yet CREATE one for yourself that would no doubt be far better! Splendid! Now apply this hypothetical to OUR REAL condition as AfroAmericans in the United States. Instead of using this uprising as an oppportunity to complain TO racist Caucasians in power about OTHER racist Caucasians in power not treating us right, attempting to gentrify our neighborhoods, and discriminating....we should use this opportunity to not only express out outrage BUT ALSO announce our "permanent" vacation from "massa's planation" ! This is our opporunity to build a society of our own with our own economy, our own social systems, our own family structures, and our own institutions. If Caucasians want to gentrify Harlem.....I say let them. Take Washington Heights too while you're at it! There are over 10,000 square miles of relatively undeveloped land in the REST of New York state that we as AfroAmericans can fan out into and develop for our livelihood Now is the time to do so.... If Caucasians want to discriminate against AfroAmericans on the jobs, maybe we shouldn't be working for THEM in the first place anyway. I don't know about you but I don't want Caucasians tell me what to do anyway. Never was too crazy about it. When they hired me, I'd tell them to train me properly how to do the job and then get the hell out of my way....lol. Instead of wasting time and energy trying to seek justice in THEIR society and live under THEIR rules and regulations..... Maybe it's time for us to just establish our own businesses and make our own money and generate our own wealth and use our own wealth to make our own clothes and build our own houses and tell the Caucasians who don't like it to go straight to hell.

Troy Man...what in the world. Your point was made BEFORE that rather graphic hypothetical. ((shakes head)) For one thing, it doesn't matter if Black people WEREN'T watching drag-queen shows before. Once Ru Paul and other AfroAmericans begin to star on the show MORE AfroAmericans will begin to watch it because it's human nature for people to want to see themselves on television and in the movies. Secondly, just like drug, cigarettes, and junk food....it doesn't matter how many Caucasians engage in these vices, they don't affect them like they effect us because our natures are different. Caucasians drink more alcohol than Native Americans yet their communities aren't NEARLY as devastated by alcoholism and it's by-products like Native American communities are. Why? Beause out nature is different than theirs. A rattle snake can bite a pig and not only will it NOT kill the pig but the pig can actually turn around and eat the snake whole! YOU can't do that....because your nature is different. You can't look at Caucasians doing something and assume YOU can do the same thing and it will affect you the same because what may be good for THEM to engage in may be harmful for US.

Chev GET THIS!!!--I just listened to New York's Juliano and he said that that man Derek should have been charged with FIRST DEGREE!!! I agree with this. As I said before, they both knew eachother and I believe Chauvin had it in for him for a while and saw his opportunity to kill this man. I could be wrong, but I don't believe I am. HIs wife, Kelley Chauvin has officially filed for divorce!!! Good. She....a woman of color....shouldn't have married a that violence-prone racist to begin with. It probably wasn't TOO hard for her to do, because there's no telling why she REALLY married him in the first place. Many Asian-Caucasian relationships are business arrangements. For the record, you speak of the Amorites but you should know that they were an ORIGINAL people. Like the Anakim and most of the other Canaanites, the Amorites were very tall giant "Black" people who inhabited and built many cities in ancient Palestine before the Caucasians (children of Israel) invaded their land and attacked them. Just like they did the Native Americans. ....just thought I'd throw that in there, lol. 　 　 　 Troy I bet that was done to protect these home and other assets from the inevitable civil suit. Damn. That's a great observation! They can't, short of a vaccine. I think a few of them are just crazy enough to go ahead and open up in full force! If no one get's sick from these protests (and I hope they don't) , they'll SURELY use this as an example of why they might as well just open on up.

LeBron James Says This The --Reason Quarterback Colin Kaepernick Was Kneeling Down Much respect for Lebron for using his platform as a super star to speak out on these issues, but he's kind of wrong on this one...... The REAL reason Kaepernick began kneeling in protest (which in my opinion appears to show MORE respect for the flag and national anthem than simply not standing for it) is because a CAUCASIAN man whispered in his ear and tricked him into it. I forgot what he was doing originally, but after this Caucasian man who was a military veteran had a meeting with him and gassed him up about how much he respected his cause and offered the idea of how it would be better and more effective if he "took a knee" in protest....then Colin began doing it and some other sheeple followed suit. Deceptive intelligence. This should be a lesson that we shouldn't let those from outside of our community talk us into doing things we're not sure about doing.

Tim Wise is my boy! I gotta take in and analyze this before commenting on it.

Chev GET THIS!-- He worked off duty as a security guard to supplement his income. Guess what!? Derek Chaupin worked at the very same club where George Floyd was also employed as a bouncer!!! Oh yes. Now, I again, think this might have been planned. I believe that George Floyd may have been stocked. He left Texas to start a new life and had lived in Minnesota for five years and lost income due to Coronavirus. He obviously became depressed! But life can be a POETIC JUSTICE because sooner or later, there will be many other people of all walks of life that face this same economic depression, and what can the government do to prevent others from melting down? I believe that Chaupin was in a White Supremacist rage over his economics and he is ignorant enough to blame Black people, not this government that gave him a cushy lifestyle on the backs of slavery. And GET THIS--Derek Chaupin's wife is Asian, just like the other two police that held George Floyd down!!! Chev, you brought up some facts about this case that me and other's have been discussing among ourselves but we really haven't heard much about it online much less in the media and that is the fact that these two PROBABLY DID know eachother. Infact, I wonder if this wasn't actually a case of hatred and murder based on the fact that Floyd had a Caucasian girlfriend! They say many cops are trained to remember faces! You're not going to tell me that they worked in the same club FOR YEARS and Chauvin didn't know this man! If they were bouncers in the same club, even if they didn't work together as partners they would have surely come across eachother for meetings and certain events. That police officer would surely have known about Floyd's fiance and probably didn't like it and saw this as an opportunity to take it out on him. Or maybe that fell out with eachother over something else and Chauvin saw his opportunity, but he KNEW George and saw his opportunity! Look at how he kept his hand in his pocket and stared down at George looking him in the eyes while choking him. Staring at him just as calm and relaxed. The shit looked personal.

Eye for an Eye..... To use the words of Delano, the brother sounds OLD TESTAMENT to me. It's a refreshing change from what we HAVE been hearing from a lot of these family members who don't let the body of their loved ones get cold first before they're on television talking about how they "forgive" the killer. A good example is Botham Jean's punk ass brother who was all on television talking about forgiveness for the murderer of his own brother and even had the nerve to sit up on the stand and ask the bitch for a hug! Tariq Nasheed and others have said that if they ever meet an unfortunate demise at the hands of a race-soldier (a racist who is merely posing as a police officer) DO NOT call for peace or forgiveness talking some crazy shit about "Well, .that's what he would have really wanted.....peace". He said, "Yall better get some REVENGE for my ass" .....lol. I know quite a few people who say that if they are ever a victim racist violence DO NOT forgive the perpetrator and make sure to raise holy hell in retaliation! Infact, I think ONLY the victim of the crime has the right to forgive the assailant anyway. How in the hell can a woman's SON forgive the person who killed HER?

Camila Hello, welcome to the site. You said now is the time for us to bring up gentrification and job discrimination. Got a question for you....... Let's say you're working on a job that is VERY hard physically, gives you very few benefits, no breaks, and only pays you $7 an hour.......but all of your supervisors and managers talk nice to you. But lately SOME...but not all....of the supervisors and managers have began talking abusively to you and berating you and some have even threatened to harm you insisting that you work harder while others still talk nice. What would you do in that situation?

Troy A society dominated by oligarchs and a legacy of structural racism Wasn't this the case 100 years ago when many of these Black publications were started? Back during the 10s, 20s, and 30s you had the Fords, Rockekellers, and the Carnegies just like you have the Musks, Bezoses, and Gates of today. And it could be argued that the racism was MORE ingrained in the structure back in those days that they are today. Perhaps it's not the environment that has changed so much as it was something ABOUT US that may have changed.

Man, looks like Shy dug deeeeep for this one.....lol. I personally have NO PROBLEM with prostitution (male or female) or people stripping (male or female) for a living or just for fun.....AS LONG AS THEY ARE ADULTS AND AREN'T BEING FORCED. My morality isn't tied to sexuality or sexual behavior EXCEPT when it come to rape or pedophilia because it's against people's will...therefore is an act of violence. You know....... Maybe it's just the "black conservative" in me....lol. But now a days with so many shows that seem to be promoting Black men in "drag"; I'm just glad to see a show with REAL BLACK WOMEN getting naked. T be honest when I first saw the title of this thread I thought if may have been about men dressing up as women and then stripping. HBO TLC VH1 .....and other networks have began an all out campaign of parading as many men of color in "drag" as they can. Every week there's a new show coming out featuring Ru Paul or Billy Porter snapping and switching and I though this was just another one. Until I looked at the date when the thread was started, lol. Not that I think dressing in drag is immoral, as I said my morals aren't tied to sexuality except for a couple categories. But I DO see an agenda to cause sexual confusion among AfroAmericans.

Chev Well, I am pretty sure that I won't get that kind of 'economic relief check' because in the past two times it was handed out, I did not receive it. I have finally paid all of my 'back taxes' off a few years ago. Due to trying to get into family court years back, I filled out my taxes so that I could get a larger pay check from my job to pay court fees, so for many years and INTEREST, I would always owe until after my children were grown. So, if you owed taxes, you could not get that relief back in, I think 2003 and then maybe 2008 during presidential elections. And now, the block is medical bills!! LOL. So, I screwed in every way! What?????? Damn! It's a shame that they don't want to just help out EVERYBODY who is living in the nation. Initially the plan was to give ALL AMERICANS $1,200 to help the economy! Then they turn around and started tying it to taxes, bank account, this, and that...... So, are people who DON'T owe taxes or child support the ONLY ones who have to eat and pay bills during the crisis????? See, that's what I mean Sis....about how the economy is built off of lies and games and exploitation. They have to play games and tricks with the money to LIMIT the amount of people being helped. Instead of cutting a damn check for everyone, they say you can get your $1,200 ONLY IF: A,B, C & D......if you are E & F you don't qualify. Legal bills are another trick to keep many people broke. Spending your time and money fighting over bullshit that should be legal and shouldn't cost you a dime. There's no telling what Troy has to go through just to build and maintain this site and his book club. Honestly, that "Cash for Clunkers" shit that Obama pulled on the peole was another joke. Here I was getting ready to turn in a couple old cars that had been just sitting in the lot barely running thinking I could get $600 for them each....and find out that turning in the car is only good for CREDIT TOWARD ANOTHER. So it was basically a TRICK to get you to buy another car and get into MORE DEBT. This is why I'm GLAD to see those kids stand up and do what they're doing! If the system can't be fair and treat people properly what the hell good is it for the long term? Enough of the gotdamn games!

Chev Ofcourse there has BEEN a plan by the Caucasians in power in this nation for over 50 years to TRY and remove the AfroAmerican population and replace it. -First, they wanted to send us to Africa after being freed from slavery, but that would cost too much. -Others wanted to commit outright genocide, but the smarter ones KNEW that killing our people unjustly would lead to their own doom! (which is why they usually try to get Black folks to kill eachother so they don't have to) -Some smart ones decided to RE-enslave the Black population through share-cropping and imprisoning them and have kept this system for over a century but time is running out and too many AfroAmericans are waking up to this. -Ohhh but NOW you have a generation of godless atheistic Caucasians who don't believe in God or morality and have decided to TRY to kill Black folks out right because the current economic system won't survive by treating us properly. You see, this economic system is built upon cheap and exploited labor: -slavery -prison labor -illegal immigrants -ect... Except for the AfroAmericans they have locked up in prison and forced to work for next to nothing, they have no use for the other AfroAmericans who they don't want to hire and must pay a half-way decent wage. So the plan is to remove the "Blacks" and replace them with the "Browns".....poor, half-educated Central Americans who will work their asses off and not complain to do the physical labor. That's their plan. But The SUPREME BEING has other plans for America....and for us!

I, along with many others personally believe that Trump was Divinely put in that office to do JUST what he was predicted to do!