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　 Troy but do you think the Brother was an "agent" or not? Honestly, I don't know. We know agents DO exist and they DO target Black websites because even the FBI warned about Russian agents infiltrating facebook and various sites in order to sow distrust and discord inside the American political system. but I can't be worried about those too stupid too tell the difference between one man's fleeting posts and the 22 year old site the posts appear. It's not so much about misunderstanding and confusing what one poster says with what you believe or what the site is about.....it's about people who purposely post inflammatory information on the site for the sole purposes of getting it flagged and labled a "hate" site so that there is justification for it to be taken down. Kind of like how a crooked cop will plant drugs on someone he wants to frame. Actually @Pioneer1 i though Kareem had turned you He didn't have to turn me......lol....I didn't have a lot of trust in the system to begin with. If all of the shit THIS system has done to our people isn't enough to make you distrust them and question everything they put out, certainly Kareem and a few of his posts won't do the job...lol.

Chev Now, I read this too, and this is alarming. I mean, there was a significant earthquake in, I think it was, Idaho!? There were major ones in both Idaho and Utah. Also, it's good that you recognize that the "Anti-Christ" character is not part of Biblical theology but was actually made up by the early church. Probably to counter the Islamic influence in the region. As for your discussion about neanderthals........ You should know that humans didn't come from neanderthals, but rather it was the other way around. Neanderthals were a result of Caucasians who degenerated into a more savage state after they were driven into the mountains. Eating the wrong foods and mating with close relatives like the Caucasians did for nearly 2000 years will eventually affect the DNA and genetics to the point that you'll produce entire families with deformed and malformed traits such as those found in the bones of neanderthals. If you doubt this, study the royalty of many European dynasties and how deformed and "weird" a lot of them were because of the custom of marrying and mating with close relatives in an effort to keep the wealth inside the family.

Troy Like you said, what is considered "feminine" is a white man's construct because we've always had different standards in our community about what makes a good/cool/real man. Do you remember back BEFORE the 80s when AfroAmerican men used to get their "nails done"? I do. I remember when Black men used to get their nails manicured and coated with clear nail polish up in the barbershops! I remember Black men have always been good cooks in the home even at a time where in larger American society cooking was considered a woman's responsibility. but that what Black men are here for Powerful! One of the most on-point things I've heard in a while because it "orientates" you to what your responsibility is. 　 　 Chev 　 Sometimes it's good to have this kind of checks and balances! Shhh.....don't say "check"! ....it'll just remind me of those stimulus checks I'm waiting on, lol. You KNOW the world is coming to an end when Republican conservatives start giving a way money, lol. Anyway..... I didn't know there was a rift between Tyler Perry and Spike Lee. I'm going to pretend like I can't google it and ask you WHAT HAPPENED?

All Vlad "the impaler" does is start friction between AfroAmericans. This Russian/Caucasian agent loves to take negroes and sit them down infront of his camera so they can sing like a canary. He knows that other celebrities will see the interview, get upset, and feel forced to respond and now you got beef and conflict going. Why so many AfroAmericans can't easily see this is beyond me. ....unless the low IQ stereotype is true.

This is one of the reasons I cautioned Kareem and those AfroAmericans I know in real life to be careful running around talking about who is getting what. Even if it STARTED OFF as an "Asian disease" or a "White man's disease"....Caucasians can take it and infect many AfroAmericans with it just out of spite! If you don't own any hospitals and very few medical institutions and are in a helpless and vulnerable position to where you must rely on your historical enemy to take care of you then almost ANYTHING can be weaponized against you. Regardless of how dire this sitution gets, as long as their are some AfroAmericans still around then I believe good can come from this. This should be a real wake-up call for AfroAmericans for us to get off our asses and get our shit together. Start building hospitals of OUR OWN like Garvey did with our own doctors and nurses.

　 Mel Well hello. Good to hear from you again! You speak of Black Supremacy being as hateful as White Supremacy. I'm going to have to be the judge of that one.....so SHOW ME somewhere where Black folks are in a position to be supremacist, lol. You don't have take me there, just tell me where it is! Or send me a map on how to get there and when I go and see this "Black Supremacy" in action (because living in Western society we KNOW what White supremacy looks like) for myself THEN I will be educated enough to make an intelligent decision as to whether or not it's as bad as what Caucasians have established. I'm all for considering alternative theories but if they are not meant to help us evolve then what? For example, if coronavirus is engineered/modified. - SO WHAT? Because if it is, then perhaps the guidelines that you're being told will keep you safe MAY infact be useless or even down right dangerous! ((make your own masks out of handkerchiefs and kleenex???)) Perhaps you WOULD have done C while you were running around doing B had you only known the truth. Troy Speaking of that, @Pioneer1 what do you think about my theory that Kareem was a troll. You know the kind you find on Facebook formorting controversy and descent. I mean think about it, if you listened to Kareem you would have nothing but hatred and contempt for the United States. Think about some of the things he wrote about stockpiling weapons and going out in a blaze of glory... Man! Your last line was interesting as hell because I just mentioned that very same thing in a response to you and Chev on another thread!!!! But I can't say whether or not the brother was a troll. I'm in no position to know him or his intentions outside of the limited information what he posted. But when people asked about the use of violence, it was said that the Honorable Elijah Muhammad said it wasn't wise to SAY before one had the ability to DO. Look, you'd be a fool to completely trust our system, but Kareem had zero trust. If I take him at his word (i.e. not a troll) some of his beliefs were simply irrational. If you believe Black people are immune to the virus, you are irrational, because you'd have to deny the fact that Black people are dying everyday from the virus. Well, he said he was a Paralegal so apparently he had SOME trust of it because he worked with and within the very legal system.....lol. But I cautioned him and others in real life about saying "this" doesn't affect Black folks or "that" doesn't affect Black folks because for one thing it IS affecting Black folks in terms of health AND economics AND you never know what type of action you may be inviting. I remember back in the 80s and 90s a lot of Black men were bragging about how nice and big and round the Black woman's butt is and how flat the White woman's but was. Even singing about it and putting it in rap songs. White men didn't say shit, they just went up into the laboratory and worked on some chemicals and the next thing you know 20 years later every other White woman you see from 17 to 70 has a big fat shapely ass wagging behind her...lol. One of the Black man's greatest weaknesses is arrogance and the tendency to brag and this often invites unwanted consequences.

I don't think most people understand the original purpose of "jail" and the difference between it and the penitentary. Jail was originally designed to be a holding facility for those PRESUMED INNOCENT to be detained in for a short period of time until it was determined whether or not they were guilty and what their punishment (if any) would be. The penitentary was suppose to be the place of punishment, not jail. And I believe a person wasn't supposed to spend more than 2 weeks jail while awaiting their fate. This was that "speedy" trial promised in the constitution.

Troy Traits like intelligence, while inherited, has not been pinned down; there is no one gene for intelligence. I'm sure the environment's influence on gene expression relative to intelligence is not understood well either. I think intelligence...TRUE intelligence (one's ability to learn, understand, and retain) is a result of BOTH genetics and environment working together in harmony. Genetically speaking, I believe your brain STRUCTURE or what type of brain you inherited from your ancestors has an influence on your intelligence potential. But when you say environment's influence on one's intelligence is not well understood...I beg to differ. Those promoting liquor consumption, weed smoking, and purposely dumbing down the educational system know all too well the effects one's environment has on one's intelligence!

Troy It is why i don't find Madea film very funny. If you've seen on you've seen them all. But i get why owople find this stuff funny, so I dont try to kill anyone's "buzz." Not only don't I find the Madea character funny, I find it down right offensive. Just another attempt to "masculinize" the image of AfroAmerican women and make them look less lady-like. This masculinization of AfroAmerican women ain't new. I believe Sojourner Truth during a speech showed the audience her titties and said, "Ain't I a woman too?" in response to the way so many sisters were mistreated in those days. People wonder why a Caucasian police officer pulls over a Black woman and beats her or kills her but perhaps he had the character of a loud, angry, masculine brutish Black woman in his head from those Madea flicks and others like them. It used to be an insult among children to say "your mother wears combat boots" because of what it implied. When it became acceptable and even desirable for so many older Black women to be portrayed as "stong" and "mannish" I'm not sure. On a lighter note, I actually DO have a level of respect for our brother Tyler Perry for his business skills and charitable work. So I give credit to where credit is due. 　 Chev So therefore, I won't post anything like this anymore. Lol....... My comments weren't meant to be a reprimand, they were just my opinions. I'm actually GLAD you started this thread and posted those videos because it opened up a conversation about things I wanted to express! As far as Eddie Murphy and Martin....... It's one thing to put on a dress and act like a woman (FOR ACTING ONLY) once or twice in one's career, but it's an entirely different thing to make a CULTURE out of it like Tyler Perry did. When you know Hollywood has a history of attempting to demasculinize and even dehumanize you, how much money could they pay you to sell your soul like that? 　 Walkman Your dislike of Black buffoonery and coonery has less to do with age and more to do with common sense and a sense of self respect that a person SHOULD have at any age. I found shit like that offensive even in my 20s. I remember going into barbershops and laundry mats where Jenny Jones and Jerry Springer were on television and I'd request them to turn the channel to more respectable programming. Most people with basic common sense would find attempts to criminalize and dehumanize them offensive but then again, many of our people don't have a lot of sense so perhaps they don't know when they're being insulted.

i always did think I was an alien. Well, she's not alone in that belief...lol. Glad to see she's alive and hopefully doing well.

Lol....ASK and ye shall receive. Can a brutha get a drum-roll for his long awaited "official" statement on the Kareem situation? Look, whether or not Kareem is/was indeed a troll is not for me to say because I'm in no position to know for sure, however I WILL say this... Talking about being heavily armed and going out in blazes of glory not ony makes you a potential target but draws attention to whatever platform (organization, family, website, religion, ect.....) you express yourself in. And to a lesser degree even promoting certain conspiracies (whether they're true or false) will also draw attention to you AND the site you're on and that attention may not necessarily be from the people you want it from! Also, if you want to post something reckless you must understand that even after you've gone on, the problems your carelessness has caused remains for others to deal with. As I've gotten older I've learned that even if YOU don't give a damn about the consequences, it's always wise to be considerate of those around you and what THEY may have to endure after you're long gone. Also, we have to be careful about the term "troll" because it means too many things for too many people. For some, a "troll" is just someone who gets a kick out of annoying other people and will purposely say inflammatory things to get a reaction. For others, a "troll" is an agent sent into a community to purposely spread misinformation or post illegal information for the purposes of getting a site flagged and possibly in trouble. But in my opinion these type of individuals aren't "trolls" but AGENTS and should be refered to or atleast seen as such. Again, not pinning EITHER definition on Kareem because as far as I'm concerned he's a brother with strong opinion as far as I KNOW.....but since the subject came up I'm speaking on the issue in general.

Troy and Chevdove after Kareem storms out................. Lol.

Chev In the words of the other post THESE ARE THE LAST DAYS!!! That would be part of my explanation. But I like to say that 'THESE ARE THE LAST DAYS -- OF THE LAST DAYS'; meaning imo the last days started about 2500 years ago; at the beginning of the apocalypse Oh yes, I definately believe these are the last days. But again, the last days of THIS WORLD. This world and it's institutions are being dismantled to make way for a NEW WORLD. 　 　 However, from what I understand the real 'last days' phenomenon has to do with a great tsunami, mention in prophecy and other things. Also, if you've been paying attention there's been a number of MAJOR EARTHQUAKES in different parts of the United States lately! There's clearly a re-alighnment taking place. 　 But well, this is crazy, I mean schools are closed for the year! I guess that worked out just fine then because when they closed down the schools the parents were wondering where they were going to send their children while they were at work. Now that the parents got laid off from their jobs THEY BOTH can stay home together. But when you want to build a new house you must first tear down and remove the old one, and in most cases this includes the very FOUNDATION of the old one! The educational and religious systems are the foundations of this world and they must also be dismantled for an effective removal. 　 Well, It's good to know that not all of us quit altogether. I mean, I do absolutely understand why some people may feel it is good to leave and save peace, but I hope that @Kareem will come back. He hasn't even been here that long. , But yes, all things will either come to an end or change. That's part of life. As you say, @Pioneer1 'It is what it is. This subject of this strange happening is bound to have some people with no good intentions coming into forums, and so that would cause Well..... I too hope Kareem comes back, just like I hope Mel, Sarah, and even Cynique ((but only for occasion....lol....can barely stand that girl's mouth)) comes back. I just dropped a lot of knowledge to Kareem on another thread about the origin of Caucasians, then the nigga turns around and storms out the door before responding to it! Shit.....LOL. @Troy to have to deal with some of these kinds of pranks, but did Troy mean intent against Kareem? I think not. I have not read the link that kareem posted yet, but, from what I gather, it was the link that Troy referred to, and I don't feel that Kareem should take it personally. But Hey, I understand that he did not like it that Troy spoke about the link, however, I hope that Kareem will COOL OFF and come back. They disagreed on a few things in the posts, but you never know what was said or what type of exchanges were made in the Private Messages. Both of them (like you ) are highly intelligent and educated but their perspectives on society and human nature are widely different. Similar to me, Kareem is far less trusting of the system than Troy and based on the LIMITED information I've observed by reading their exchanges (again I don't know the full story) he was very frustrated that Troy didn't share his skepticism and distrust (or atleast as much). And if my perceptiveness serves me correctly, he probably was a little frustrated with my reluctance to engage much in or take sides in those disagreements. I'm assuming he's not banned and he can speak for himself, but perhaps Kareem felt as if he was "alone" on this site as most of his positions and figured there was no need to stick around. As far as I'm concerned his perspectives were greatly appreciated and I actually looked forward to many of his opinions but..... Hey baby girl, it is what it is. I just recognize this is the internet and try not to get TOO emotionally attached to anyone on here. Troy I can't any more than I can explain to you how the warpage of space/time causes the Earth to revolve around the Sun. You see the entire planet reacting to Covid19 in ways they do not act in reaction to the flu. You are so distrusting of all the planets doctors and scientists that you would ignore all of these signals indicating how highly cntagious and potentially deadly this virus is and dismiss them as a conspiracy or stupidity. I'm sure there is NOTHING I can say that will help you understand. It's not the fact that the virus exists and that is' making people sick and killing them that I'm disputing or distrusting. It's the ORIGIN of the virus as well as the OVER-REACTION to it that I'm taking issue with. If I'm a detective and I find a dead woman with a gunshot wound to the head, my job isn't to determine what killed her.....it's obvious that bullets kill and she died from one. The question is WHO killed her and WHY! And it's the same with this...... WHERE did this virus really come from? And WHY now? Again, do YOU....with what you know of world history.....really believe the offical story that a bunch of people in some remote part of China eating bat-soup are responsible for a GLOBAL crisis and what some are calling the modern plague? Really....do ya?

Lol, this will probably be a Buzz Kill but........ That second vido of the "Black Santa" ((shakes head)) There's a number of destructive and dangerous stereotypes in it that I THOUGHT were behind us but it seems that the young brother who is staring in it and helped to produce it is trying to bring back and promote. Let's unpack this, shall we......... First of all, faaaar more Caucasian men (Santas and priests included) drink liquor than Black men. Infact, they INVENTED it so why did that scene have to involve the Black Santa drinking liquor out of a flask? Is the producer of this video trying to incinuate that drinking liquor is a "Black" thing? Secondly, just like liquor there are more Caucasian men with guns too. Infact, in America there is a " gun culture". So why they got the Black Santa packing heat playing off the stereotype of Black males being gun toting thugs. Third, why are they playing off and joking on the stereotype of Black males being thieves and burgulars? Now, some of you say, "Oh lighten up Pioneer it's just joking and having fun....they aren't serious. Even the Black man in the video is cool with it! You're seeing more into it than there really is!". Well, if they aren't serious and just having fun playing off of stereotypes then.... -Why didn't they show "Black Santa" with a bunch of naked women sitting on his lap promoting the stereotype that Black men are sexually promiscuous and have a bunch of "hoes"? That IS a stereotype of Black men, wonder why THAT isn't being promoted much? -Why didn't they show a Black Santa clause with a massive buldge in pants promoting the myth that Black men have large penises? That TOO is a stereotype of Black men, but they don't want to promote THAT stereotype. They want to hide and bury THAT steretype....lol. Or what about showing the "Black Santa" shooting hoops on the basketball court? Black men being athletic and good at basketball is a stereotype too! If you pay attention to the television and music industry and what's been promoted for the past 40 years or so...you'll notice the type of stereotypes of Black males that are promoted are carefully chosen. It reminds me of the Eddie Murphy Saturday Night Live skits where he uses his funny as hell talent to further re-enforce negative stereotypes of Black men but not the positive ones.

Many of them shouldn't have been locked up in the first place. Things like selling dope, prostitution, gambling, ect.......aren't things people should be locked up for. Infact, I don't even think they should be considered crimes as long as people aren't being forced into it. This is supposed to be a "free" society but there are probably more laws in the United States today than almost any other nation on the planet....including China. Many designed to get folks in trouble so that the lawyers, police, and prison staff are guaranteed jobs and an income. The REAL reason why they're considering releasing these prisoners have less to do with concern over their health and more to do with strategy and logistics. 1. They anticipate that as more prisoners get the virus that this will cause a panic and the more prisoners they have the harder it will be for them to keep them under control and busting out anyway! 2. Most corrections officers are going to be so concerned about THEIR OWN health and safety and the safety of their families many of them (like many police officers already) will be calling in sick and staying home. So they won't have the staff anyway. I just read a report that over 6,000 NYPD officers called off sick! 3. Plain and simple, because of such a stress this is putting on the economy they simply won't have enough money to feed and house 4 or 5 million adults so they have little choice BUT to let them go. What I believe MAY happen is they will keep the most violent and dangerous prisoners locked up and use the military to secure them; but those in prison for forging signatures, selling dope, and running scams and other minore shit....they're going to let them go. Like I said, most of them shouldn't have been locked up in the first place. It's a shame a nation needs a pandemic or other crisis to FORCE them to do right by people.

Chev 　 Your 'Atlantis' statement has documentation and it does not even support what you write. okay. I'll admit that I personally don't have any documentation for what I said however why do you say it doesn't support what I write? I never said Caucasians were made IN the Caucasus mountains. I've been maintaining through out this conversation that they were DRIVEN into the Caucasus mountains and confined there. But their being brought into existence or "bred" from the Dravidians took place in ANOTHER place. The Nation of Islam says this breeding process took place on an island in the Mediterranian. If you study the writings of anient Greece and Kemet the priests of Kemet tell the Greeks (Caucasians) of their origins on an island. And again, that is why the continent of Africa has been completely [ie except for Ethiopia and Sierra Leone] controlled by Europeans! LOL. You have to refer to script that can be confirmed. I agree we should document ESTABLISHED FACTS and not simply rely on word of mouth transmission of important matters; however I'm not sure if this is the only or even the major reasons for African colonization. Yes it does, to any of the civilizations that controls you. Chev, come on now. Whether or not something is documented DOES NOT eliminate or negate the fact that it didn't happen or doesn't exist...lol. It just means you'll have a harder time trying to PROVE it to many people. I used to live in Georgia. That is a FACT whether I have documentation to verify this fact or not. The fact that I don't have a driver's license or utility bill from my residence in Georgia to PROVE that I used to live there doesn't negate this fact. 　 Those photos are no different than what you see in America, ancient America today and with some of my husbands relatives. Some of his uncles have bone straight hair, and some have a little kink to they hair texture--- Yes, within the same family. And yes, on my side of the family too, some of my relative, such as my sister, shows those same dynamics of hair type!!! One of my sisters has very, very black hair and it does not kink at all!!! You said these photos are no different than what you see in America today, but I must take issue with this statement for several reasons: 1. TODAY there are a lot of immigrants from India so yes you're likely to see Dravidians with dark skin and straight hair walking down the street, but only after they MOVED here from Asia. 2. Many of the very dark skinned people you see in the United States with straight hair actually STRAIGHTENED their hair out with hot combs and relaxers. If they are of African descent, mostly likely it's not naturally that straight. 3. Many Africans both here AND abroad are not "pure Africans" but MIXED with Asian and European and they may be born with the dark African skin but depending on their genetics their hair may come out bone straight. Just like others may come out light skinned with kinky hair....it's a matter of the genetic lottery. You seem to be picking out a few EXCEPTIONS and pointing to them as example of how Africans also have keen features and straight hair when in fact that isn't the usual case. Those type of Africans are in the minority as compared to the vast majority of Africans who have dark skin, broader featurs, and kinky hair. 　 Photos mean nothing. Haven't you heard the old saying "a picture is worth a thousand words"...lol...? I just posted the photos as examples, but if you don't believe them you can go to India or any Indian neighborhood in the United States and SEE FOR YOURSELF the millions of dark skinned "Black" Asians with straight hair. Those photos are similar to people of Ethiopia too. But most Ethiopians aren't pure African; they are HEAVILY MIXED with Caucasian (Persians, Greeks, Arabs, Assyrians, ect....) from times past.

Chev I'm reading your post late. Give me a while to respond.

Sad to see my brothers part ways. ....but it is what it is. Troy Dude this virus, unlike the seasonal flu, is highly contagious. Have you not heard this before?! If no action was taken MANY more people would die. What don't you understand? Seriously? What I DON'T understand is how the hell some people eating bats in a town in China ends up killing thousands of Americans and thousands more world wide. Do you really believe this explanation? And why is THIS virus (as opposed to the many others out there) so contagious? Now if YOU understand what's going on, try your best to explain it to me because the official explanations sure as hell aren't making a lot of sense. 　 I've changed my opinion on things based upon what I've read here Based on what you've read HERE? Hmmm... I'm curious as to EXACTLY what that means. I have a feeling that your reasons won't be too flattering, lol. 　 Chev I didn't realize there was this type of conflict! Come on now, you should know the ways of Black folks by now....lol. Neely Fuller said when Black people simply come into CONTACT with eachother there's a risk of conflict and fighting. You can be in a barbershop or beauty salon and everything is quiet and people are talking vibing with eachother and in a split second people are arguing and chair are being thrown at eachother. Hey, it is what it is.

Chev LOL. @Pioneer1 No. Now WAIT A MINUTE sis! What do you mean "no"? Don't just say "no" and then run down the hallway giggling, leaving me to wonder exactly what you're objecting to, lol. If they are not access, then it means nothing. If they cannot be cross referenced and apply to something concrete, then it means nothing. so, the documented records of ancient civilizations begin with Blacl 'African-type' people that we can access today. Well the truth is the truth and always means "something" and is of some value (especially to those seeking it) even if it can't be documented or cross referenced. If you're in severe pain and a lady comes along and give you a simple cure that works, will you refuse to acknowledge it or recommend it to others UNTIL she writes it down? Our people come from a long and strong ORAL TRADITION where much of the knowledge was passed down from mouth to ear to mouth and committed to memory. There are African griots who can tell you the history of their tribe going back thousands of years, so don't play undocumented history too cheap. Having said that, I can see how skeptical the average person would find it if asked to accept something as historically accurate if there is no physical evidence or documentation of it, so I do understand your point. However, as I said earlier the fact that it MAY not be documented (or it maybe they ARE documented but those documents are hidden!) doesn't negate the truth of it. Remember, there are plenty of "documented lies".....lol.

　 Kareem I admit I'm more of a recent history guy (1600-present) versus ancient like you two. I do consider myself a Biblical scholar, but as Pioneer alluded to, its not 100% factual. But from what I'm reading, the both of you seem to agree in the existence of "Black Dravidian Asians." Is that fair to say? Yes sir. If so then I need to read up some on this subject matter before I can comment further. You can start with the history of the land now known as India and Pakistan. In India, they are found mostly in the Tamil Nadu or Bengal regions. Keep in mind that originally these Black Asians were found ALL OVER Asia...not just India. But many of them were either killed off by the Caucasian invaders (Aryans, Persians, Babylonians, ect...) or mixed and bred away and the rest driven to that region and certain other spots, much like what happened to the Native Americans. The words black and Asian combined is weird in and of itself. I assume these people had kinky/nappy hair? No sir, unlike the kinky haired Africans.....the Asian Black race for the most part had straight hair with thin noses and lips....similar to the features of most of the Caucasians you see today. Though one would be in error to say that their features are LIKE the Caucasian, lol. It's more accurate to say that the Caucasian has features LIKE THEM because they were first and the Caucasians actually came FROM them. Both the African and Dravidian are very dark (in come cases jet Black) but their features are still different and they are actually of different races. The second preliminary conclusion I'm getting, based on both of your comments, is that the Black Dravidians did in fact play a role in creating today's "Caucasians" aka white people? Yes sir, THEY were the racial group that the Caucasians were bred from. Not the African Black race. 　 They are not original, meaning they didn't come into existence naturally. Is that what you're saying? No sir. Albinism indeed is a result of nature, but Caucasians aren't albinos. Caucasians were brought into existence through ARTIFICIAL or MAN-MADE means through a process of selective breeding. Kind of like how one would breed a certain type of horse, or dog, or cat. I'm not saying Caucasians are animals like those describe....just giving an example of how you produce a certain species by limiting reproduction to those of only a certain phenotype until you produce the desired result. When you read in the bible "Let us MAKE man".....it's the Caucasian man (Adam) they were talking about making. This is/was my position from the beginning. I always felt white people (Europeans) usurped the term "Caucasian" from the people of Georgia, Chechnya, Azerbaijan, etc. But this whole discussion even calls that into question. I believe Pioneer's position is that Arabs and Europeans are Caucasian. Make sense. Just more to wrap our heads around. The region is CURRENTLY called the Caucasus, but was it ALWAYS called the Caucasus? According to NOI theology, the term "Caucasian" means weak boned and weak blooded. These people were named this even BEFORE they were driven into that area and confined there for causing trouble among the original people. Only AFTER the Caucasians arrive did it receive that name. Me and my sister have gone round after round over this....lol. I said it like this....... The original Greeks were Caucasian. But the original inhabitants of the LAND CALLED Greece were Black people! Now those two facts don't disagree with eachother and can EASILY be reconciled because all it simply means is that the Greeks were Caucasians long before they even brought their asses TO the land and NAMED it "Greece" after themselves! And it's the same with the Caucasus. It had a name BEFORE the Caucasians arrived and it became named AFTER them. Further........ Just to clarify my position, the ORIGINAL ARABS were Caucasian....but the majority of Arabs today are mixed and vary from being Caucasian to Black and anywhere in between. To be even clearer, similar to the Greek analogy.....the original people OF the LAND NOW CALLED ARABIA were Black , but the original ARABS who invaded the land were Caucasians from the mountains.

Kareem Thanks for the knowledge. Rabbit hole just gets deeper and deeper. You're more than welcomed my brother. They claim there are no cures for viruses but interferon and a host of other herbs and even drugs over the years have been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to kill viruses and cure their ailments. Instead of harassing THOSE brothers for trying to protect themselves, the fuzz should have been keeping a look out for the white supremists and neo-nazis that they were TOLD were intentionally spreading the virus to Jews and law enforcement officials around the nation. We all know that Wal-mart is the "epicenter" for trailer trash, so he shouldn't have had any problems finding some. Troy Black people that I know have died of Covid-19 in NYC in the the past few weeks. I know many more directly and indirectly who have it. I have never known anyone in my, 5 decades+, of life who have died of the flu or complications from it. I don't know how long NYC will hold that title..... Now like Chevdove pointed out they're talking about Chicago, Detroit, and New Orleans -cities with large AfroAmerican populations by the way. Can you (or somebody) PLEASE tell me how in the hell a virus that started in some remote city way the hell over in China ends up killing people in New Orleans and Philly; and now even the rapper Scarface and the Black Chief of Detroit police are said to have had the virus! Something ain't right....... That's why when some of the people I knew were telling me that it was only affecting Whites and Asians a few weeks ago.....I observed it but held my peace so that I could sit back and peep game. I remember a brother in a bathroom telling me about how ONLY Asians were getting it and I just looked at him in the mirror but didn't agree or disagree...just kept on washing my hands thinking to myself, "No negroes getting sick? How long will THAT last?" Right now there are relatively few cases (that we're hearing about) in sub-saharan Africa, but how long will THAT last! How long will it be before these people "do something" about that good news? Sorry to hear about your associates my brother.

Chev We should try to figure this because of all the thousands of years of being attack on this issue of racism. Lol, well you don't have to try too hard because there are records of their origins available. They were "bred" into existence from Dravidian type Black people through a process of selective breeding on an island that some may call "Atlantis". 　 Okay, but where are the records then, of these Black people of whom you say lived and recorded millions of years ago? Many of them were stored in ancient libraries like the Library of Alexandria and Timbuktu and Babylon where they were either burned down or confiscated by Europeans invaders and hauled off to Rome where they sit in the Vatican under lock and key to this very day. But the vast majority of ancient records about the trillions of years of history of this planet is in a place you may know or have heard of as the "Akashic Records". Similar to how information is stored on the internet or the "cloud" but much more advanced. Most people need a shaman or spiritual man/woman to access them. The ancients knew that with this smart Caucasian running around trying to scan every square inch of the globe, putting precious information in material books wouldn't be the safest move to make...lol. Okay, oh well, You know there are other art history of Pale Faces all over the world, even in the ancient Americas? Ofcourse. Ancient people all over the planet KNEW that the Caucasians were coming and their presence was prophecied and documnented in heiroglyphs all over the planet from Africa to Europe to the Americas to Australia. Infact, according to NOI theology the coming of the Caucasian on the planet was predicted 9000 years BEFORE he even came ito existence.

Troy Still, I trust them on vaccines because we've seen polio, whooping cough and other diseases disapoear ... at least until recently. Many of these diseases disappeared not because of vaccines but because of better living conditions. People raising their meats and poultry better, washing their hands more, taking more baths, and better nutrition.....making them less susceptible to disease in the first place. Many of the diseases you mentioned were unheard of in Africa or the Americas BEFORE the coming of Caucasians because the people tended to live more in harmony with nature and their diets were superior to what so many of us eat today so they were much more healthy and balanced. Kareem I know I'll die later in a shootout, but I'd rather die with dignity like that versus trusting cops to act like humans. With THIS shit going around....... A person probably WOULD be better off taking their chances getting it over with from a gunshot to the head rather than laying up in some crowded hospital bed (or on the floor) slipping in and out for days before finally expiring. People are just scared to talk about anything contrary to what government feeds them. I'm not. I'm always the guy screaming alone versus the obedient crowd. The entire purpose of this is FEAR. The more you instill fear in the public the easier they are to manipulate. You wouldn't believe how many people I've met who are BEGGING for Marshal law today. They actually want the state and national goverment to "protect" them forcing EVERYBODY in their homes for a few weeks and putting the military on the streets to enforce this in hope that this thing will be over quickly. A week ago Trump was talking about shutting down America and made plans for it, but now they've done such a good job scaring the public that when he gets on television talking about loosening the restrictions and opening up America by Easter... the public is now saying "NO! NO!" They WANT him to shut everything down and keep everyone in their homes and even encouraging him to use marshall law! Reminds me of a Pimp and his ho..... At first the girl is scared and trying to get away but after dropping his psychology on her, in just a few months he can't RUN her away! He goes upside her head and drives her off and she's back within 24 hours. Not only does she stay with him but she actually starts recruiting OTHER girls for him and eventually starts telling him how soft he's getting and how much harder he should be on them....lol. Am I lying? Cuban doctors sent a drug called Interferon to China and it apparently works to cure coronavirus as China is getting back to normal I remember this drug because from the 90s when Dr. Alim Muhammad of the Nation of Islam was using it to treat (and cure) HIV patients! 　 Delano Trump wants to end the isolation. Don't believe this populist rhetoric. Trump and his administration along with other government officials are the ones who made this a big deal and said this was a "war" and the biggest threat since World War 2. Now he's sitting in a chair telling a reporter that the flu killed more people than this did but didn't warrant the nation being shut down....lol. Actually this is what the American people were saying weeks ago in response to HIS and the government's draconian measures. He's just trying to echo it so when the shut down comes he can look like the one who didn't want it.

Troy The hip-hop museum never really got off the ground. In the early days of Harlem's revitalization a lot of businesses got tax breaks and money. Much of it was sqandered... I dunno all the details (or really what happened), but the physical space is a Buffalo Wild Wings. I saw there is a hip-hop museum in the Bronx, arguably the best location for it. Maybe some of these old-heads and Hip Hop pioneers like KRS One, Rakim, Doug E. Fresh and Public Enemy should start an endowment and donate money to build, maintain, and expand this Hip Hop Museum like Caucasians do for their beloved alma maters while it still exists. Dude Arthea Franklin (in case you don't know who the queen of soul is) (Pioneer sits there with his head to the side staring at Troy) Man, just when I forgave you over the "anywhere but Detroit" remark....lol....now this. What's next Troy? Lol, are you going to ask me do I know who RUN DMC is, if their name comes up in the conversation? was born in Memphis. she lived diwn the street from the Stax Museum, home of the best funk studio band ever assembled. She may have been born in Memphis but she was raised in Motown. That's the city she claimed, lived the rest of her life in, and ultimately laid her burden down in. You know how it is, most of our people have southern roots....but they make their way North and try to forget about them. Only recently (past 20 years or so) do you find so many AfroAmericans running back down South to make it their home again.

As usual, most AfroAmericans are in a VULNERABLE position. We know we can't trust the people in authority with their history of lying and misdeeds, but most of our people don't have enough knowledge to know what's really going nor eough power to actually do something about it once they find out. So what do you do...... Trust the media and those in power to tell you the truth and open yourself up to be taken advantage of and harmed? Or do you ignore them and what they're saying only to face possible harm from a real threat?