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Troy A MAGA hat is not a symbol of racism to many of the white who wear them. That is you projecting your sterotype. Lol...??? And neither is burning a cross a symbol of racism to most KKK members, if you ask them! Should we start believing what racist hypocrites SAY out of their mouths instead of judging them by their actions? Had you even consudered that the old guy might have simply been trying to help you? Or is white skin and a red hat enough to set you off? Yes, I briefly considered it as a possiblity. But logic forced me to side with COMMON SENSE. Man you act like it is still the 19th century. Things are nit oerfect but they are FAR better than what they used to be. Indications are, given recent events, white people want to improve things for us too. Perhaps. But I wasn't around to witness the 19th century to draw a comparison. Injustice and racial oppression is injustice and racial oppression regardless as to the degree one is suffering from it. If a person goes to see a doctor with stage 4 cancer and they manage to get it under control and down to stage 2.....should the doctor tell their patient to leave well enough alone? Should that doctor assure the patient that they may not be perfectly healthy, but atleast they are far less likely to die from stage 2 than stage 4? A good doctor would try their best to get rid of ALL cancer in their patient and impliment a routine that prevents it from ever re-occuring again!

No, I don't see the difference. Institutions are not autonomous or sentient entities. They reflect the will of the people who run them But not necessarily the will of those SUBORDINATE to them, and that's the difference. The consequences of personal prejudices and discriminatory behavior is ideally limited ONLY to the person holding those views and those they personally choose to interact with. When discrimination and prejudice is INSTITUTIONALIZED then even those who don't share those views are forced to behave as if they do. Clearly the two aren't the same. Racist people run institutions that write antimesigenation laws. But again, NON-racists have to live under and by them. And there again is the difference. So you can't compare the severity of individual prejudice with institutonalized prejudice and discrimination.

Troy Of course personal experiences are important in making decisions. If you live in come urban ghetto, it might make sense to assume a young Black man may rob you. However it was be illogical to assume all young Black men will rob you. Do you see the difference? Yes. However the examples you offered for a comparison were lopsided. You gave the Caucasian man a characteristic (wearing a Trump supporter's hat) that is well known to be a symbol of bigotry. But you gave the AfroAmerican man a charactristic of simply being young. You didn't say he had a rag around his face, a gun in his waist, ect....no outward sign of aggression. So in the two examples you offered, distrusting the Caucasian man is MORE JUSTIFIED because of his open display of symbolic racism. You choose to distrust all white people based upon all the bad shit some of them have done over the centuries. That is fine. I don't have the emotional and mental capacity to distrust the majority of the people who live in this country. Besides I'm don't think it is necessary. 1. It's not simply based on the bad shit some of them HAVE DONE....but what they are STILL DOING! You act as if the war that racists have been waging against people of color on this planet is somehow over. -Look at the behavior of some Caucasian so-called "police". -Look at the strikingly high cases of Covid 19 among people of color. -Look at the disproportionate amount of AfroAmericans in jails and prisons. -The AfroAmerican men still being hung in trees We're not just talking about the crimes of the past but the crimes STILL being committed by racist Caucasians. To blanketly trust all Caucasians UNTIL they give you a reason not to is akin to suicide. 2. From what you're saying, it appears that you see dis-trusting someone alone in and of itself as a HOSTILE act. Do you believe that human beings are OBLIGAGED to trust eachother? The only penis i'm interested is in my own. You obviously have a lot of interest and knowledge about other penises. Can you be more specific on how you've come to be so knowledgeable on the subject of penises? Why? Lol.....are you interested in becoming a Peniologist during your spare time? Does do you believe thst people with big feet have big ones too? Ofcourse not.....lol.....not the women atleast.

Either that or Negroes were acting so hostile and crazy a few weeks ago that Caucasians got spooked and PRETENDED to start giving a damn to avoid further hostitlity.

Troy Institutions are run by people. If those people believe in thqlstereotypes, like white supremacy. I understand, but it's not the same. Institutionalized prejudices are far more dangerous than individual prejudices because it FORCES people into committing acts of hostitlity. If you live around women who refuse to go out with AfroAmerican men based on person choice, as much as you don't like it you can't say they should be punished because it's a personal preference. However if the city or state you lived in made it a LAW that women are not allowed to go out with AfroAmerican men....then it's no longer just a personal choice but an INSTITUTIONALIZED act of enforced discrimination that takes away the individual's freedom to choose. See the difference? You really shouldn't compare individual choices and tastes with institutionalized discrimination in which a prejudiced standard is FORCED on the people.

Troy My point is the "rule" should not be based upon one's gender (or sexuality or skin color). Perhaps you're correct, but you'd have to admit that human society would be far more akward if people didn't make generalizations about eachother and instead took everyone on an individual basis as you suggest. How long do you think your business would last if everytime someone offered to buy your merchandise you looked at them and asked, "Well, yeah....but do you have enough money? Because by looking at you....I can't tell!" There have been far too many situations in which people have been excluded from particular roles because of characteristics that have nothing to do with the skills required for the role. Collectively we all lose out because of this. What you're talking about is institutionalized discrimination. That is different than personal assumptions and generalizations based on individual experiences.

In addition to what I said, this pretty much sums up why I don't support the term. I see a lot more people of all races are "celebrating" and talking about Juneteenth way more this year than they were before. I wonder did the riots and AfroAmericans hitting the streets have anything to do with this new found respect and interest in AfroAmerican history....lol?

Troy While your personal experience important to you it still can't not be used to judge broad swaths of people. Why can't it? Isn't that how human beings learn and socialize with eachother? Isn't that how babies and children learn, by using their personal experiences and observations to LEARN how to navigate their way through the world? A baby learns to expect that sucking on a titty will get them milk based on numerous personal experiences of sucking on them before....lol. A child learns to love candy IN GENERAL because of their numerous personal experiences from eating candy. People enroll in schools and IN GENERAL expect to be educated based on numerous personal experiences in other such institutions. Can you not understand how sound judgements and other decisions can be based on personal experiences? Knowing that a moving vehicle may kill you, if you step in front of it, is entirely different than knowing if the white Guy with the MAGA hat will. We have 100% knowledge of the car even before we see it. You can never truly know how the white guy will behave -- even if you know him. It's not about KNOWING....it's about ESTIMATING to make the best decision for your safety and well being. You know the car has the POTENTIAL to kill you but you don't know for sure if it would even hit you. And if it does hit you it may not kill you or even seriously injury you. But you GENERALIZE based on SAFETY.....because you don't want to find out the hard way you estimate that it could and that it's best to avoid taking any of the chances. And it's the same with the Caucasian with the MAGA hat. He may not necessarily be racist or harmful but he may be and it would be unwise for you to take unnecessary chances by ASSUMING that he isn't and giving him an opportunity to harm you FIRST before not-trusting him. I have a good example for you....... A couple months ago I was standing in line in a grocery store and some old Caucasian man in a red MAGA hat TRIED to walk up to me without a mask on asking me did I need help finding something on the shelf. I ran his ass away! He stood back constantly asking what was wrong and babbling about how he was only trying to help me find what I was looking for. He looked sickly and his eyes were rimmed in red like a zombie. The more I looked at the devil the angrier I got. If he hadn't left, there's no telling if a can of something would have gotten thrown at him.....lol. Did I over-react? Perhaps. Now this was before it came out that White Supremacists were intentionally trying to spread coronavirus among AfroAmerican populations. So why did I behave the way I did toward this old man? Becaues I I DID NOT TRUST HIM base on generalizations! 1. He wasn't an employee at the store, so why was he interested in helping me out? 2. He was a Caucasian...member of a race with a long documented history of doing more harm to AfroAmericans than good but that harm is often DISGUISED as good. 3. His hat told me he was a proud and open supporter of "Agent Orange", a man of whom most of his followers are racist. My antennae was raised and I acted on my instincts and because of that it probably prevented me from being harmed. A lot of AfroAmericans....perhaps even yourself....seem to see virtue in blanketly trusting Caucasians UNTIL they do something malicious to you to erode that trust. I don't. Because if you let them get too close and do the wrong thing you may not LIVE to learn better next time. You can't possible know this. Again just because you believe it based upon your limited experience does not make it true for the whole. Lol... Well if I can't possibly know this is NOT the case, how can you possibly know that it IS the case? I'm using my limited experience to argue against a position that you've taken based YOUR LIMITED EXPERIENCE. Who among us has had enough expriences with all or the majority of humanity to prove or disprove our positions? Being based in truth and actually being true are too different things. I know this. However they don't necessarily contradict eachother either. As far as penis sizes, I actually have not seen too many, and I've never seen a Chinese penis. " Come on man, stop playing...you KNOW you done seen some Chinese penisez befoe' ! " How did you come to see so many penises that you can, so confidently, draw conclusions about their relative lengths? ...that is unless you can show me the data. Gyms, internet, women who've seen them, ect...... There is plenty of data out there about the length of men's penises based on their race. Much of it is clouded and obscure and presented as "inconclusive" but it's out there.

Troy you've made very broad generalizations about people based only on their skin color. This is sterotyping people and prejudicial. This is the exact same reasoning the white supremacist uses. Yes, it is true that I have made very broad generalizations about people....but those generalizations are based on YEARS of observation and personal experience dealing with different races of people. NOT based "only" on their skin color. Unlike conventional ethics, I DO NOT necessarily condemn or decry broad generalizations. I believe they are appropriate and logical sometimes, and not at other times. But it's a matter of discretion. You don't walk out infront of on-coming traffic because of the BROAD GENERALIZATION that a car will hit you and kill you.....although that may not necessarily be the case. All of the characteristics you've ascribed to white people are characteristics Black people have and vice versa. Not generally. Perhaps in a few individual cases, but certainly not collectively. Again, you believe this because people perpetuate and internalize that stereotype. Because people hold on to stereotypes does not make them true, but i guess it does form their reality Although a stereotype isn't NECESSARILY true, I'd offer the stronger argument that to the contrary....most stereotypes are actually BASED ON a certain amount of truth! For example..... There is a PERSISTENT stereotype that African men have larger penises than other races of men. This stereotype didn't come out of the blue. I don't hear it being said about Asian men. If it was completely made up and untrue then they could just as easily attach the myth to Asian men.....but they didn't and haven't. Just because something is a stereotype, doesn't necessarily mean that it IS true or that it is NOT true. BTW.... I believe the larger penis size of the average African man is MORE than just some "stereotype" but a scientific FACT. The only reason it's argued and called as stereotype is because the SCIENCE that has confirmed this FACT has been intentionally clouded. This scientific fact CAN BE and HAS BEEN easily confirmed not only by direct observation but with measurements by medical professionals....no need for the doubt and confusion. But because having a larger penis suggests that African men are more masculine...which contradicts White Supremacy....again, this well established fact is intentionally clouded and wrapped up in irrelevant discussions in order to cause confusion and stir up doubt. Notice when it comes to things like RACE AND CRIME STATISTICS.....which is much harder to measure than simply measuring a penis.....Caucasians have no problems offering endless documents of hard clear statistics.

OK I couldn't wait on your response so I decided to look it up and it appears that I was wrong. I guess all of these Black-Drag Queen shows that Caucasians have been promoting all over television lately has got me on high alert for ANYTHING that even smells like another racist attempt to put a brother in a wig and dress and humiliate him before the entire world.....lol. BIPOC Black Indigenous People Of Color Interesting term.... Although I understand what it MEANT by the term, it still is liable to generate and maintain the racial and ethnic confusion that already exists because it uses terms like "Black" and "Indigenous" which are confusing terms. That's why I'm not crazy about it..... You seem to be pretty adamant against it also Troy, I'm interested in hearing YOUR reasons. why?

Troy I'll ask you one. Fuller says there is nothing about Black culture today that anyone would want to adopt. Do you agree with that No. It should be understood that as much as I quote and reference Neely Fuller Jr. and respect his work, I don't honor him as some sort of religious figure or epitome of what it means to be a freedom fighter. I think that he....like Elijah Muhammad....Marcus Garvey....Booker T. Washington.....ect….has excellent points that can be used to benefit AfroAmericans. But in disagreement with that statement, I'd say there is plenty in AfroAmerican culture (sub-culture rather) that many people around the planet not only want to but are TRYING to adopt....rap music is one of them. Conversely, the presumption based upon Fuller's observations above is that everything about white culture is worth emulating. Do you agree with that? If so, what those characteristics be? I think you're mischaracterizing his position on Caucasian culture and White Supremacy. He has repeatedly said for decades that we must REPLACE the system of White Supremacy with the system of JUSTICE. Not emulate it. However he, like myself, believe there are indeed ASPECTS of Caucasian culture that we could learn from and adopt to better our situation as AfroAmericans. Among them are: -thinking less emotionally and more logically. -generally having a healthy DIS-TRUST for people outside of our race -focus on achieving and maintaing independence and self-reliance. These are things that Caucasians are known for around the world, but are NOT things that African peoples are known for which is one of the reasons so many of our people find themselves in the position they are in.

Why is it that the charge for George Floyd's killer can't be raised up to 1st Degree. Especially since it's coming out now that Chauvin most likely KNEW who George was and that he had beef with him from their nights of working security together in the club. The way he kept his hand in his pocket and looked him in the eyes while killing him is obvious that the killing was personal and probably pre-meditated. Chev That's scary. I've heard about the Mormon culture and have seen some talk shows about the multiple marriage system, but never heard of them having issues of incest. Well, incest isn't necessarily part of Mormon culture specifically.....but it IS a part of Caucasian culture. It started as a way to maintain so-called "white purity" early in the formations of the Caucasian race when they were journeying and dwelling in lands dominated by people of color.

Troy You just posted this and I haven't heard of that term before and haven't even googled it yet but I'm willing to wager it's some SEXUAL term that was designed to further confuse our young people. Neely Fuller Jr. said the White Supremacists are working OVER TIME and burning a lot of MIDNIGHT OIL figuring out ways to confuse our people....especially in the sexual arena. Again, I may be wrong and you can correct me since you researched the term "bipoc" but I'm almost CERTAIN it has something to do with sex, sexuality, or sexual/gender identity. Am I right or wrong?

Troy Pioneer there is nothing that science that will change the "natural" role of men and women when it comes to procreation. That's why I say it's "hard wired". This is my point....some things ARE set. As far as defenders you and I both know there are some women who would be much better defenders than some men. Natural defenders has as much to do with characteristics that go beyond one's gender. While you're correct that SOME women would make bettter defenders, these are EXCEPTIONS...not the rule. It's like saying some men like other men; while we know that SOME men are gay....most are not as a rule. While human beings were created to be very versatile and be able to take on non-traditional roles if they have to.....males in general are clearly designed to be more suited for aggression, defense, physical combat, ect... Maybe you are right about a 2nd civil war, but the 2nd war will be fought with technology manipulating minds and behavior not with guns. It's not a case of the 2nd Civil War "will" be fought, I believe it's already started. Many of these Caucasian militia groups are just waiting to be officially deputized (sanctioned by the government to do what they want). They are going to turn on eachother and do FAR more harm to eachother than to AfroAmericans….however that doesn't necessarily solve the problem of GROSS STUPIDITY that so many of our people suffer from. Many AfroAmericans are in denial because they are confused and don't know what to do and this confusion as well as the love and desire for their open enemies will stall some of the progress that we will make in the coming weeks, months, and years.

Lol......slavery ended? Slavery didn't end, it just TRANSFORMED. Instead of buying and selling Africans on the auction block and breeding them for cheap labor- Now they've decided to arrest and imprison as many AfroAmericans as they can for cheap labor AND import as many Mesos and Meztizos from Central America as they can for even more cheap labor. So rather than ending, it not only transformed but even EXPANDED.

I wouldn't be surprised if all four of those race-soldiers were set free to have beer and pizza with their friends and family by mid-July. The ONLY thing that kept them locked up was "Black Anger"......and when it simmered, and the coast was clear.....Satan began making his moves.

Troy By the way what are the "NATURAL" roles that you speak of for men and women. Are my roles as educatore, webmaster, bookseller, and nice guy natural for a man? Those professions that you listed are SOCIALLY CONSTRUCTED occupations that can be practiced by EITHER men or women. Them, as well as the ability to perform them has less to do with biological chemistry and more to do with what occupation you choose and your level of intelligence. The roles I speak of are more based in bio-chemistry that is hard-wired in the individual and isn't so much a matter of choice. For example....... Natural Roles of Man Fighter/Defender -requiring an abundance of testosterone for muscular strength and aggression. Father -requiring a penis, testicles, and sperm to deliver and fertilize an egg. Natural Roles of Woman Child bearer -requiring a womb and an abundance of estrogen and egg to be fertilized. Prophecized by whom, Nostradamus? What will be the factions of white people who will fight each other? It is not like the slave states taking up arms against the federal government. Will it be the Alt-right against the LGBTQIA+, the Republicans against the Democrats, or some other groups? Those in power have known for over 100 years that the United States would have a 2nd Civl War because much of it is being orchestrated by them. I don't know the complete details of it but I believe these alt-right milita groups will be deputized by the various state governments and possibly even the Federal government....but their main targets will actually be other Caucasians. Actually the powers-that-be in this nation will HELP AfroAmericans to get power but the average Caucasian citizens will not like that and will want to fight them over it. The reasons why is because the powers-that-be ( also known as the elite, 1%, ect…..) KNOW that we as AfroAmericans are destined to be on top and rule because this is what has been predicted in most of their Secret Societies, but the average Caucasian DOESN'T know this and will become angry and confused about what is happening. Although most of the fighting will be Caucasians fighting eachother, and some fighting among the races, there will be quite a bit of fighting among AfroAmericans as we take charge of our communities and a lot of good brothers will end up having to deal with the thugs, gangsters, and savages that have gained a foothold in our community and will have to be up-rooted.

Talking direct violence on-line ??????? Perhaps you have me confused with brother Kareem.....lol. I will say that the biggest problems Caucasians in the United States will face will come from THEMSELVES as they destroy most of their own people in a prophecized and predicted 2nd Civil War they will have among themselves that they will not be able to prevent no matter how hard they try.

There are some who accuse me of giving the White Supremacists too much credit for their power and authority on this planet. Many AfroAmericans claim that Caucasians aren't NEARLY as powerful, smart, and organized as I claim they are and some even get a little upset and want to jump up and proclaim with strong emotion that NO ONE has any power or authority over them! Let us hear what Mr. Fuller has to say about this:

Troy Wait, what? Are you talking about removing white people from America, Earth? What are you talking about? Whatever it is lets try to keep it within the universe of possibilities. I'm talking about Caucasians being removed from their positions of power and authority as is happening right now. Caucasians will still have a presence on this planet for another thousands years or so, but they will not hold any power over people of color.

Troy Pioneer the America you seek does not exist. Not yet. However I think it's in formation as we speak. Like I told Chevdove We are living in an ARTIFICIAL society where Caucasians continue to manipulate people and events that prevents things from taking it's natural course. When Caucasians are no longer in power (whenever that happens) you will see both the males and females in our community settle into their NATURAL roles. As long as Caucasians are manipulating society by locking up many AfroAmerican men, denying them good paying jobs, and getting many hooked on substances so that most are obsolete and unable to provide for themselves let alone anyone else - forcing the women to be not only the mother and father in the family but also the woman and the man in the community in general....you will continue to see dysfunction and confusion. Take them OUT of the picture and the that distortion will correct itself almost immediately. Harry B. There. Are. Tears For. Black. People. Murdered. By. Black. Street. Gangs Not. Seen. On The News. Black. Politicians ,NAACP-Black-Church. People. Are. Not. Angry. For. Street. Gangs ,Murdering -Black. People...It's. Okay. For. Black. Gangs. To. Genocide ,Black-People . Minister Farrakhan said we are fighting a battle on TWO fronts. An external enemy (White Supremacy) AND an internal enemy (Black thuggery). Both enemies tend to feed off of eachother. AfroAmericans slaughtering eachother takes away the moral power that is needed to properly and effectively defeat Caucasian racism.

Chev BUT, you know, I think this may be a form of depression. Many Black people of this generation, are feeling helpless. They may be in shock and disbelief as to what seems to be 'a repeat of history', a throwback from the Jim Crow days, and they never thought this would happen now, so therefore, they are reacting this way, showing that they are unprepared; caught off guard. We've been conditioned to believe that those days were long gone, a false conditioning, and now all of a sudden, we are witnessing this kind of race hatred and was not prepared. AfroAmericans (especially the men) have been targeted by the police for decades, this is nothing new. Infact, on television now there is a lot of talk about "the talk" (as Caucasians have named it) that many AfroAmerican parents have with their sons about how to behave when they come into contact with law enforcement officers. So our people have BEEN known that they were subjected to police brutality. Why would they be caught off guard by something that happens on a routine basis? Black men in chattel slavery times had to cope with so much, when it came to their manhood being taken from them, and now this! Sometimes, I wonder if the MANHOOD being taken away from some AfroAmerican men is the VERY REASON this is happening in the first place. I don't see this happening to Arab men on a routine basis. Well, here's the point though, to this thought; we've been attacked for so long, that even if there were no White Caucasian men around, there would still be a problem for a long time. I think you have a point to a certain extent! However, I believe that most of the problems AfroAmericans have comes from CONFUSION. Not just confusion from not being able to figure things out, but more importantly the confusion that comes DIRECTLY from Caucasians who insert it into our community to keep shit going. If there were no more Caucasians constantly tossing rocks into our community and hiding their hands.....I gurantee you that within a generation or two ALL of the confusion will get sorted out and our community would be on the straight and progressive path. We, as a race are IN TUNE with nature. Like I said, we don't need "books" to civilize us or learn how to behave. All Caucasians have to do is LEAVE US ALONE to our own devices and we would automatically gravitate towards our righteous and harmonious nature. Troy Here is the south, I'm pretty confident most Black men own a gun and would have no problem hunting down a pack of wild dogs terrorizing local children. Lol, well......I've lived in several southern states and didn't see AfroAmerican men come together to do anything like that. I saw a lot of joking around and clowing by grown men. Infact, I saw a lot of AfroAmerican men down there calling Caucasian women "miss so-n-so" like slaves. Some men are raised by single women, but most go on a do fine It depends on what you regard as "fine". If you mean they grow up and avoid getting killed or going to jail and manage to get good jobs and raise a family.....yes most can achieve that. However WOMEN can do that. Grow up? Stay alive? Avoid jail? Have and raise children? Yes, these are noteworthy achievements that should be honored, but the fact is BOTH men AND women can do this! So what separates the men from the women? What can you point to as a barometer that says ONLY a real man can get this done? I'm not picking on men who were raised by only their mothers by the way, what I'm saying goes for AfroAmerican men in general even IF they had fathers in their lives because many times their own fathers don't know how to be REAL men who protect and secure their communities.

Chev I can barely refrain my anger when I see White men like the one you believe in!!! They are so creepy to me. You have no idea how many of them, I've countered due to these evil lies they try to supplant in the minds of Black people about ancient script Lol....well what about THIS White man and HIS book that you believe in? Isn't HE a creepy-creep? They came to Black lands and went to ACCAD and had to learn this script language in order to trade. Yes the Caucasians went ot the Black lands to be taught certain principles of civilization and to learn to trade among us, but not to the city of Accad. Accad or Akkad didn't exist until Caucasians camed down into Mesopotamia to build it. Babel was the major city in Sumer before the Caucasians arrived. Most Caucasians were taken to Kemet to learn but others were taken to the Kenaani city of Sefer or today known as Byblos. Those who were brought to these ancient Black cities to learn and take knowledge back to their people were known as Jews. Get outta hear! No way. SArgon was a creep. Nimrod was mighty because he was CUSH HAM. Black Power! Stop giving credit to creeps! Lol. No sis, Nimrod wasn't a very good man. Infact, he was the man the rituals of Christmas are REALLY based on. No, I did not say that!!! I said that they had to separate from the BIBLE because they did NOT 'found America' on the Bible. That is why they had to separate from it, because the Bible does NOT support enslavement of Black AFrican children. They use the Bible as a demise, but after the world began to broadcast this in India, Japan, etc. England decided to 'look like the good guys' and these Americans decided to keep their slave trade power.... hence Separation of Church and State to maintain CHATTEL SLAVERY. JULY 4TH--THEY BROKE OFF FROM THE CROWN OK, I misunderstood you. I apologize. That makes sense, actually. I like how you broke down the origin of ACADEMY.....I hadn't made the connection before hand.

Tariq Nasheed breaks down what's happening and how they are trying to mix up the two issues...…………….. https://youtu.be/dj9pcWG_xV0?t=483

Queen X Thank you for those poems. Reading that last one made me want dig up some Last Poet's videos and listen to them while working....LOL. It's amazing how consistent much of AfroAmerican culture and experience is TODAY as compared to what the Poet's were rapping about back in the early 70s.