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Piggy backing off of the discussion we're having over the popularity of social media among our people............ Growing up I wasn't considered very attractive and thus wasn't very popular with the girls OR with other boys (for reasons having little to do with looks). Fortunately girls weren't AS concerned with looks as boys are so there are other attributes males can develop to offset what they're lacking in looks. But I spent long periods of time wondering why I wasn't "coolest" or "cutest" boy in school with all of the friends. I didn't notice it as a kid, all I saw were the BENEFITS of being very popular. But when I got older and into my 20s I started observing a lot of the NEGATIVE by-products that many of those same people experienced as a result of their popularity: -Having more friends often meant more partying and more access to drug and alcohol abuse. -Having more friends often meant being more enticed to engage in criminal activity WITH those friends -Having more sexual access with females often meant contracting more STDs. -Having more sexual access with females often meant more babies with different women, more baby-mama-drama, and more legal problems with child support! -Having more girlfriends often meant fighting more EX-boyfriends and jealous boys who WANT to be their boyfriend and see YOU as competition! -Even more disturbing...I've heard of more than a few dudes who had it so easy with females that it was no longer a challenge, they got BORED, and that's how they started getting into sex with other men! Those were problems that more attractive men were starting to deal with going into their 20s and many of them continued to deal with those problems and more as a result of being "cool" and very popular. In this world, benefits often come with a price. You want to be more popular? You want to attract more people? ...be ready to pay the price that often comes with that.

Troy Of course this is true but is no cause to believe we are getting less intelligent. I base that assertion in part off of personal observation. I know it's not the BEST way to measure a society's intellectual level, but unless I give everyone personal IQ tests over prolonged periods of time...how else could I confirm my suspicion? To your point there very well could be man-made environmental factors leading to a drop in our collective IQ. That's exactly my point. Intelligence levels are primarily a matter of BRAIN function which means it's highly influenced by physical changes. If more toxins are being introduced to the environment that negatively impact brain function we should expect that to negatively impact cognitive function. This is absolutely true. You're going to eventually find out that MOST of what I say is aboslutely true..lol. It may take a while, it may be years or decades down the line...but eventually my words will be validated. One popular poster here threatened to sue me a number of times, but she was a drama queen and was probably responsible for scaring a number of people off the site. Now see, I didn't know that and I don't believe you've ever told me that before now....but I knew it happens because it happens on OTHER sites. It's been going on for atleast the past 6 or 7 years to my knowledge. It really took off after the anti-bullying campaign when certain people started calling any form of verbal altercation or challenge "bullying" to lay the grounds for legal action later on. Those were the days when people (lurking) would come up to me at a conference and describe something they read on the forums This is why I'm careful with sharing personal information on social media and message boards. You never know WHO is lurking and watching what you're saying. Now here you have a big FREE (I'm telling you....you should seriously think of charging some of these bastids for peddling their shit on your platform..lol) website open for folks to come in and promote their books and engage in intelligent discussions about their books or any other topic. But Negroes will sit up and make all kinds of silly and stupid excuses not to participate. "AAL-who??? Girl I don't know who that is! I HEARD it was a site full of men from Haiti or something like that. I HEARD they were anti-trans-phobic or something like that. Anyway, Instagram just took me off of 3 week suspension and guuuurl ....I can't wait to start posting again!" They'd rather hang out on social media platforms where they are overly regulated in their speech and are constantly suspended and penalized for every little thing they say or show. ------but on the flip side you have a bunch of racist Caucasian lurkers who are DEDICATED to monitoring your site! They CAN'T STAY AWAY. Constantly posting shit you have to delete, make up fake accounts just to break their way in and post as much racist content as they can hoping it will be noticed before you delete it...lol. DESPARATE to get on the site and get their insults and racism noticed! Now what does that tell you about them, and more importantly about your own people?

Troy If accuracy were your goal, you would demonstrate it more often in your own communication. What have I said that was INaccurate? Seriously, when I asked you if you thought the world were flat did you really believe I was talking about the financial world? I wasn't sure WHICH world you were speaking of, but the definition of world remains the same regardless. The "world" is a concept...a collection of symptoms. It's not the same as a planet so it has no physical shape. Chev here you go again, giving White people credit for ancient script. But we're not talking about ancient script, we're talking about the King James Bible which was written in 1611....that's not ancient. You are so wrong. The Bible was written by Black people; Black men. Were the Popes of Rome, King James, Guttenberg and those who helped them write the Bible "Black men"??? I thought they were all Europeans. Ancient script has been 'blasphemed' as Jesus said, but today, we can confirm what has been blasphemed and what has not. Are you saying that the Bible is a blasphemed version of ancient script? If so....this may be true...but it raises the question as to why our people should believe in or even read a book that is obviously blasphemous and not the original ancient. But you have no script to confirm 'the Supreme Being' that you believe in which is no better than an ape. But wouldn't the ape...who simply follows nature...be in better shape (sh-ape) than the human who believes in a blasphemous corrupted script that deviated from the ancient? Some say it's better not to believe in ANYTHING than to believe in a lie. If you don't believe that the Black man had that much brilliance that they could develop script, that is your right, but you should at least present your attack on the ancient scriptures that you question. I'm not attacking ancient scriptures, because you haven't produced any for me. Show me this "ancient scripture". You give the White man too much credit. You said: "Yes, God decided to use 'White Caucasians' and other types of Black people as well to curse and punish!!! Yes He did. LOL." But you accuse ME of giving White folks credit??? So it's your belief that God would use people who are just as if not more evil and wicked to punish OTHER people? And part of this punishment is lynching them, enslaving them, killing their children, lying to them, and forcing them to worship images of people with blonde hair as "angels" and "gods"??? You believe God sanctioned that? Okay, I'm done reading any further. Well you shouldn't have. I gave you a "shout out" 👍 a few posts later, lol.

Troy No I don't the type of changes you are describing talk place over time scales too large for you to directly observe. Now I might argue that we are less well informed, and educated more poorly, which might make us seem less intelligent. Yes most people in U.S. society in general are indeed less informed and poorly educated but not all of this is systemic. In some cases these are SYMPTOMS of people who are less intelligent to begin with. In other words you have 2 people who can't read but one of them may be illiterate because of lack of opportunity or poor schooling, but another may have had access to the best schools and STILL couldn't learn (intellectual dysfunction). The facts are out there. The education is out there. One could argue that if society WERE intelligent enough to seek it they would BE more informed and educated. It is possible this forum will be revitalized, but that can not happen if there is zero participation Becareful what you ask for...lol. You start getting more activity on the discussion board it may come with more fighting, trolling, negroes threatening eachother, and in a short time ALL of your disposable time will be taken up monitoring, deleting posts, and banning people....and explaining WHY you had to ban them. The going thing now on some forums is threatening law suits against the site over being "harassed" by somebody THEY provoked and accusations of bullying. The increased traffic you thought would be a blessing ended up being a curse that forced to CLOSE the discussion board because you didn't have time to baby sit it and things got out of control...lol.

Delano......I'm so GLAD you said that. Because if the OPPOSITE were true....and I thought my posts WERE giving you "stimulation" -not only would I be tempted to stop posting, but I'd seriously consider deleting every post I DID make! Because after I'd left I wouldn't want you to continue to "stimulate" yourself with my posts or me in mind! Don't get me wrong..... There's a lot of people I wouldn't mind stimulating online! There's a lot of people who I wouldn't mind "enjoying" themselves with my posts! ....but a tarot card reading brother down in Australia is waaaaaaay down near the bottom of THAT list...lol.

Troy This report from you seems to passively and indirectly lend support to my assertion that INTELLECTUAL DECLINE is a major reason for the lack of participation of discussion boards compared to social media platforms. People who don't think...don't care. Ofcourse.....since you don't believe that, you're liable to explain those results by pointing out that people who frequent social media tend to be younger and less educated and thus less INTERESTED in political or medical information than those who frequent discussion boards..lol.

Troy I didn't miss your point, I was just focused on other reasons besides just that one. You believe people get a dopamine rise from their activities on social media. I don't doubt that at all. But I also think there's LARGER psychological reasons for more participation in social media than discussion boards than just a high people get over attention. For example.... You don't believe the larger society is suffering from genuine intellectual decline. And because of that, you don't see people being too stupid and hyper-emotional to hold an intelligent civil conversation as a viable factor in the decline in participation on the discussion boards.

Troy What you call "nitpicking" is actually called being ACCURATE. Simply trusting in the work and findings of OTHER PEOPLE instead of verifying things for yourself isn't the best way to acquire ACCURATE information. It's good for joining a new religion. It's not a very good habit if you want to secure accurate information for yourself and solve problems.

Troy You can’t make up your own definition of science and use it to reject science. You have previously rejected science because white people are in it. If you disagree with MY definition of science, then what is YOUR definition of science? I didn't say I reject science because White people are in it. I didn't say I rejected science AT ALL. Show me the quote where I said I "rejected science"! When I said the “world” I was talking about the planet earth, Not some concept. So do you believe that the planet earth is flat? Lol...well you should have said "Earth", not world. Two different words with two different definitions. And NO, I don't believe the Earth is flat. I believe (though I don't know it) that it's round.

The fact that it's simply THERE as an option has an effect on them, psychologically atleast. Which means it indirectly has an effect on YOU and ME and others as a result. Do you think a woman who has OTHER MEN willing to take her in and support her will tolerate from her husband the same thing a woman who is less attractive and has no other options to fall back on? Common sense tells you a woman with LESS options will be a wife who is more willing to ignore petty disagreements and be less argumentative than one who has the ability to pack up whenever she desires and simply move in with one of a number of other men who can provide her with the same thing you're offering. But take away the options, and watch the ATTITUDE change. Again, you don't have to look at ALL discussion boards for an example. Just look at the people who have left THIS discussion board alone...in a huff...over a petty disagreement. They didn't like what I said, you said, didn't want to register, ect.... If social media didn't exist as an option, they would be COMPELLED to ignore the petty and TRY to get along. They'd be forced to participate more on discussion boards in general. Either that or just avoid communications on the internet all together (except by swapping emails). Just like if there were no Google or Wikipedia or internet in general for people to sit up and browse all day for their information...people would be COMPELLED to get off their ass and actually go to libraries, book stores, and other hard sources for their information.

Troy So you reject all scientific findings for this reason?! No. However we need to have a clear definition of what IS and what IS NOT "science". MY definition of science is a system of collecting and organizing knowledge and facts. It would be foolish to reject knowledge and facts. Do you believe the world is flat too? No. A world.....being a concept....has no physical shape. It's a collection of systems. Western world Islamic world Financial world ect.

🤨 Hmmm... Maybe he called you delusional for OTHER reasons....lol. This may seem like a bit of a reach but if I remember correctly, one of Cynique's parting shots before leaving this site was that she was leaving to spend more time on facebook or some other social media platform that Troy was highly critical of. That's evidence that social media did INDEED have some sort of effect on her and influenced her behavior because if she didn't have facebook or some OTHER social media platform to "fall back" for her social entertainment....she would have essentially been FORCED to communicate via discussion boards. ...and thus would have been less inclined to leave THIS one. That's the logical conclusion I'd come to. A good analogy is...... A Black person eats at a soul food restaurant for years but after a $5 disagreement over the price of a meal, get's angry, leaves, and vows to never patronize that restaurant again....taking comfort in the fact that White restaurants like Denny's or Bob Evans are available for them to meet up with their friends and enjoy. But what if segregation exists where they weren't ALLOWED to frequent Denny's or Bob Evans? They would be FORCED to frequent that soul food restaurant (or eat at home) and with that option being taken away would be less inclined to be so petty where they are.

Troy I'm sure there are fewer discussion forums today and those that remain are not as vibrant as they once were. I agree with what you wrote in point #1, but the reality is that most people who post on social media do so in relative obscurity. The promise of potentially going viral is a strong pull -- even a couple of hundred likes on a post will encourage many people to continue posting to get the attention. Social media even goes so far as to time when people see their likes to encourage further engagement. For this reason social media platforms are a completely different things than a discussion forums. Those are perfect examples of when the EXTROVERTED personality is combined with LOW INTELLIGENCE. They have the strong desire to interact with others and be the center of attention, but aren't smart enough to come up with constructive and productive means of doing so..so they resort to playing "class clown" so to speak to get attention. We do know that suicide, drug addiction, obesity, depression are all on the rise -- despite all the technological advances. Watching TicTok videos provides an escape, that a discussion forum can not provide -- because to enjoy a good discussion forum -- even lurking -- requires effort. I believe social media platforms actually CONTRIBUTE to the depression, suicide attempts, and addictions. The last thing people who are broke, sick, in terrible social environments, and already at a low point in their lives need....is to see a bunch of healthy, pretty, young people bragging about how much money they have and how great their life is. People are looking for SOLUTIONS to their problems. Social media makes them feel even WORSE about their situation because people often put up a FACADE or MASK online pretending to be someone they really aren't which tends to make those viewing them jealous and feel even worse about their own personal short-comings. "I'll talk to you later. I'm having the Royal Duke and Duchess over at my mansion for dinner tonight." One would have though, that with more people at home, discussion forum participation would have risen, during this pandemic. But the media only pays attention to the handful of the biggest social media platforms. I know why white media ignores Black platforms, but why does Black media ignore Black discussion forums. Because as you said earlier, a discussion involves WORK. But that implies...though you didn't say it...MENTAL WORK. Another term for mental work is THINKING. Which means it takes a measure of INTELLECTUAL POWER/INTELLIGENCE to maintain an intelligent discussion. Unfortunately, this is a quality that many of our people no longer have. Social media is about EMOTION. You don't really have to THINK much. It appeals to people's emotions like sex, rage, lust, hunger, selfishness, thirst, desire to get revenge, ect... Discussions appeal to your intellect where you consider concepts, opposing views, various factors, all while doing so in an environment of MUTUAL RESPECT. Why do so called "woke" Black people give all of their energy to white owned platforms -- who have demonstrated zero desire to truly serve Black people? I can tell you exactly why. 2 reasons: 1. Social media is where most of the immature, foolish, and ignorant AfroAemricans spend their time, so most of the so-called "woke" folks hang out in those platforms in order to PREACH to the fools and ignorant and try to get them to change their ways...lol. They believe that like Jesus, you go to where the sinners are to "save" them. 2. A less common and secondary reason is that most "woke" people think they're smart and they enjoy the praise they get from people who are not as smart or articulate. Go to a discussion board or academic website and you're likely to interact with people SMARTER THAN YOU who will expose exactly how much you know (or don't know). Think of your school days..... Remember when pretty girls usually hung around other pretty girls? But often you'd see a pretty girl hanging around a bunch of not so pretty ones and wondered why. Later on, you find out it's because it made her feel SUPERIOR to be around those she FELT were "less than".

Troy I considered he may indeed be a troll, but like you said he was also pushing the idea of Black people being Hebrews and Biblical people which is a pretty popular concept and ideology among Black people....especially Christians...around the world. Maybe he used it as a cover. Another thing is he spelled "practice" as "practise" which tells me he probably comes from an English speaking nation OUTSIDE of the United States. That statement defies credulity as you consistently reject the findings of the scientific community, on race, medicine, genetics, climate change, geology, etc... Lol, well then I guess I'll get off of Energy and get on YOU now. I don't necessarily reject the findings of the "scientific community". I'm SUSPICIOUS of the findings and information coming from CAUCASIANS who claim to be scientists. You must understand the difference. Why? Because many of them have a history of lying and providing false/inaccurate information. They have very little credibility after being caught lying so much. Science is supposed to be the collection of KNOWLEDGE and FACTS. If you haven't experienced it, observed it, or know anyone who HAS to confirm whether or not it's the truth.....why do you put so much faith in it?

Troy hummm where have I’ve seen that before Not from me. I admit my errors when they are CLEARLY SHOWN to me. Now, you can't come to me with a different OPINION and call it a "fact" and just expect me to just lay down and concede, lol. You must PROVE that you're correct. That sounds like racist troll crap to me. Well, this is a direct quote from one of his earliest posts: I haven't heard an African talk like that before, even the ones who dye their hair blonde, get online, and ask for wealthy men from Europe to come and marry them and get them out of poverty don't talk like that. It sounded kind of odd. Not sure if you remember when he first came on, but at first he didn't have a picture in his avatar. That picture of a Black man was introduced later on after he had posted 6 or 7 times. But perhaps he really IS a brother who just thinks like that. It is very annoying in the real world and part of the reason social media, in general, is so powerful because one can easily exclude people, thoughts, and ideas that conflict with your worldview — even if they are factual. When it first came out, the internet brought more people from all over the world together. But when social media became the dominant means of communication it began making people more selfish, self-centered, and isolated. I've seen entire religious movements....with only ONE MEMBER...on some Youtube channels! People are getting on Instagram while on the toilet having conversations, wiping, flushing the toilet, not to be vulgar or rude but just not caring! You know I have no problem with someone who gets upset with the conflicting idea and runs away, but I say let’s give newbies, who demonstrate a willingness to engage, some space before you tear them apart — at least two posts Duly noted I keep saying I'm not going to argue with other Black people over history and religion anyway, but the topics are too tempting. But I should practice more discipline over my behavior.

🙄After reading through the thread, I have to admit that my FIRST post was indeed on the harsh and confrontational side. I take responsibility for that. @Troy You know, I JUST saw your latest post in this thread? It shows that it is two hours old, but for some reason it JUST showed up in the thread.....or atleast I just saw it. I'm not sure what's going on but there seems to be a serious time delay somewhere.

LSA has a very feminine vibe to it and I wouldn't expect much more than the post you just illustrated. However to the question about less activity on discussion forums: 1. There are just plain FEWER discussion forums today than there were 15 or 20 years ago. People are less interested in discussions where various ideas can be exchanged, and more interested in PLATFORMS where they can get on and run their mouths or post whatever information they wish uninterrupted with any challenges being reprimanded with blocking or banning the challenger. 2. But the biggest reason for less discussion...I believe...is the INTELLECTUAL DECLINE of society in general. Believe it or not, despite having more information at their disposal the general population is DUMBER today than they were 20 years ago and definately dumber than they were 40 and 50 years ago. If you don't believe me cruise around facebook, twitter, and other platforms and look at the titles and how many mis-spelled words and words that just don't go together ( How To Peel "A" Orange) you see in the titles alone before you even GET to the posts and comments. Look at how people rarely capitalize words or use proper punctuation in their communications. This isn't just to save space, it's also out of ignorance. Probably the only industry that forces it's employees to use proper grammar and punctuation today is the CORPORATE MEDIA because it requires so much written communication. The intellectual decline is real. It may sound simple, but dumb/stupid people have little to actually SAY and aren't big on discussion.

Geno Doing "research" to find the true numbers is part of the problem. We don't have the FACTS, all we have are stats and figures...often contradictory....that are given to the public. How do we know any of them are accurate? Futher, the killings of unarmed AfroAmericans garner more attention in large part not just because so many more unarmed AfroAmericans are killed than unarmed Caucasians....but AfroAmericans are more likely to protest and raise sand about it. When unarmed Caucasians are killed I barely hear a whimper from other Caucasians outside of their immediate family. Why not? Not sure. Maybe because Caucasians have a larger trust in the system and feel whoever got killed "deserved" it; or maybe they are just less emotionally inclined to hit the streets in anger...and thus get less attention. Troy Outside of the common sense point you just made about Caucasians far out numbering everyone else, which is why they SHOULD make up the majority of those killed..... As you point out, it's the frequency and the situations that unarmed AfroAmericans too often are killed that makes it remarkable. In North Carolina yesterday morning while people were still celebrating the Chauvin conviction an unarmed Black man in his car was surrounded by law enforcement and his car was shot up and he was killed. You don't hear about this happening much to Caucasians.

Troy Pioneer, the need for you to post this disclaimer tells me that that you felt it was necessary, but more importantly that the perception that @Energy was run off the forum by you is plausible. It's human nature to want to be right, but many of our people take it to another level by having absolute CONVICTION of their beliefs without even considering that they are wrong. Some people react violently at being challenged, others make threats, but the most common reaction among a lot of our people is simply AVOIDING those they disagree with or who challenge their views. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, as it helps to cut down on conflict. But this could also lead to 2 problems: 1. Some of our people never learn real effective CONFLICT RESOLUTION and how to work out differences with others because they're always packing up and running away instead of making earnest efforts to get along. 2. If you never consider the fact that you MAY be wrong, how can you ever be corrected and get it right? If you study our exchange, not once did Energy concede on ANY of my points or consider he may have been wrong or mistaken in any of his. If I have a belief about something and every time I'm challenged on that belief and told it was wrong I fold my arms and turn my back on the person or simply leave the room.....how will my error EVER be corrected? I bring this up because again.... What I find problematic is this is MORE than just Energy's behavior but Kareem and Stefan and many other AfroAmerican men around the internet and even in real life have expressed the same emotional response of shutting-off or tuning-out all opposition to their convictions. I did not read the exchange deeply, but I thought Jesus the Christ was Black and that the people who wrote the original Bible were Black too. We know the versions of the bible read today were written by white folks most notably the KJV. Was Energy completely wrong about that? For one thing, he didn't SAY any of that. He didn't qualify it or detail it like you just did...he made a blanket statement that "Black people wrote the bible" and called it a FACT. Further, when I tried to shed more light and greater detail on the issue by pointing out that the Bible was a COLLECTION of books written in different languages over different periods of time (the Greeks who wrote much of the New Testament certainly weren't Black)....he REFUSED acknowledge or engage in that more academic conversation. As far has the pronunciation of words why challenge a native speaker, who has studied the language? But we know you have no problem challenge people who demonstrably know more about a given subject -- especially scientists. 1. We (or atleast I) don't know for sure he that IS a native speaker. He didn't stick around long enough for us to know much about him and whether he was telling the truth about himself and his credentials. I'm not saying that to cast doubt on him or his credentials...just being honest. I mean.... The man dropped a link to WIKIPEDIA on the "Ewe" language as his departing gesture. Lol, what does that tell you? He also made statements about the Europeans rescuing his people from cannibalism and savagery or something to that effect..which I find highly suspicious for an African to say. Was anyone (including you Pioneer) happy with the exchange, and more importantly, the outcome of this exchange? I wasn't satisfied with it. I love talking to Africans from the continent and IF he was truly an African (and that's an "if") I would have enjoyed an exchange. However, I'm not a psychiatrist or psychologist. As with the case with Stefan, if you think you know everything and are so sensitive and emotional that any challenge or disagreement brings out rage or disillusionment to the point you'd rather throw up your hands and exit the building than spend another minute with someone who disagrees with what you believe to be the "gospel truth"....I can't force you to. At one point in the conversation Energy called me rude or disrespectful. I apologized for it and told him that wasn't my intention. He didn't even acknowledge it, but continued to be confrontational. Not conceding another person's apologies or any good points they may have made during an exchange is one of the SURE SIGNS of emotional immaturity. I remember during one exchange Chevdove told me I was being disrespectful. I apologized and told her that wasn't my intention and she acknowledged it and moved on. Daniel got upset over you suggesting he was a liar but you made it clear that it wasn't an insult or personal and he got past it and you two continue in relative harmony. He didn't storm off and leave, he bounced off the wall and went back to pushing his Conservative philosophy and promoting his books..lol. It's called being a "grown up" who is not only physically and intellectually mature but EMOTIONALLY stable and mature. It's called understanding life and learning how to get along with people with different personalities and ways of thinking. I'm curious to know if Energy is married. Not that I'm interested in him...lol...but women will sometimes INTENTIONALLY hound you and challenge you over the pettiest of shit or do things just to get an emotional rise out of you. If you don't have the patience and emotional maturity to tolerate a conversation online....it makes me wonder if you have the patience and emotional maturity to deal with the games women will often play.

Troy Now I could see you challenging @Delano or me in that fashion, but we have seen your antics for years, know what to expect, and are not gonna take it personally. However, a newbie is less likely to tolerate it -- not out the gate. So the comment, "I am out of here." was not surprising at all. Indeed, I'm surprised it did not happen earlier. I'm not surprised either. I saw it coming. But not because of anything I said or planned on saying to drive him away, but because he was coming from a religious angle. Usually when people come with religious convictions they can't stand ANY challenge to their ideology or doctrine no matter how respectful and intelligently argued that challenge is presented to them. But even more problematic about his reaction is that it's not uncommon among many Black men today and I find that a bit bothersome. Let me explain...... Keep in mind Troy and I must point out again: a) He wasn't harassed (followed from one thread to the next being badgered and trolled) b) He wasn't called any names c) You actually commented him on his stamina to go rounds with me...which he didn't seem to even acknowlege (unless he did it to you through PM) d) He wasn't threatened or warned. e) There wasn't even any cussing involved...lol His ideas were simply CHALLENGED by another poster, and that alone was enough to seize his attention and deplete all of his patience to the point he got frustrated and left. Think about that. What does that say to you about a man's character and emotional strength? He said he wrote a number of best-seller books and was an author. If he didn't appreciate my words or even my presence he could have just as easily ignored me (as many of the member do...lol) or posted in one of the many other sections of this site (that I intentionally stay out of) to promote his books and ideas...but he didn't. Instead he focused on maintaining a back and forth with me until he reached the point of frustration, then made the emotion-driven decision to pack up his toys and scamper off. But the reason this situation gets me is because it's not just about Energy... We saw this same thing with Kareem and we also saw it with Stefan. You see this "just get emotional and run away" attitude too much among many AfroAmerican men lately, and it bothers me. It bothers me because it implies that they are either too stupid to defend themselves let alone fight intellectually....which is usually not the case...or emotionally weak and immature. Most intellectually strong people don't get emotional and run away from a challenge. They tend to stay and stand their ground by either bringing a wealth of information to defend their position AND/OR humiliating their opposition with sarcasm and wit. You mentioned him being new. Where I'm from it was the NEW kids on the block who tried ESPECIALLY HARD to establish a powerful repuation...lol. The newest cat on the block who just moved into the neighborhood BETTER NOT run from a challenge...or he may as well just stay in the house until he turns 21 and moves out....to a DIFFERENT CITY, lol. *I'm a little busy at the moment but I plan to finish on your other points and answer your questions in another post.

Del Lol.....how can one get tired of something they weren't doing? His agenda was clear: to push the idea that the Bible was written by Black people He wasn't trying to hear anything that contradicted that narrative. That's what religion tends to do to our people. It causes friction in the U.S., in the Carribean, and if you go through out African nations you'll find entire regions of our people FIGHTING eachother over and in the name of religion....both sides CONVINCED that they are right and the other side is wrong and are worthy of death. In most of this fighting, none stop and take 5 minutes to consider WHERE their information came from. Since they didn't personally see the books being written...question WHO may have wrote the book or given the religious information. They just BELIEVE it and haul off putting their all into defending it. You don't see Caucasians fighting like that over religion anymore because many of them are smart enough to know that most religions were MADE UP from the hands of other men...thus contain too many errors to kill eachother over. They fight....but most don't do it over religion anymore.

Let the record show that Energy decided to leave on his own FREE WILL He wasn't banned (infact the Administrator came on and gave him a compliment that he refused to even acknowledge), he wasn't harassed, nor was he restricted from expressing himself in any way, shape, or form. He CHOSE to leave. I post this so that it's on record so that people can't run around saying they were "harassed" or "banned" from AALBC or make blanket statements about how they are no longer allowed to speak their mind on "the internet". No People pick and choose which platforms they decide to frequent and focus their "energy" on. So if Twitter of Facebook or Clubhouse bans you or restricts your content...don't cry about "the internet" doing it, it's those Caucasian operated platforms YOU CHOSE to patronize and place value on that did it to you. You had the opportunity to patronize Black sites (for FREE....Troy is nice, I'd CHARGE some of your sorry asses to peddle your books on my site...lol) but you dismissed and ignored them.

Energy So in other words, Instead of showing MUTUAL RESPECT and answering some of my questions so that I can answer MORE of yours..... You accuse people of being dishonest and run out of the door. But before you go you post some link to "wikipedia" as if IT is a better source on how to pronounce "Ewe" than the Ewe people actually SPEAKING it??? I don't need to read some wikipedia article on how to pronounce "Ewe" correctly when I can just as easily HEAR the people say it for themselves. This is my point about some of our people putting more faith in Caucasians and what THEY say than in your own people. Why do you need a Caucasian to TELL you how to spell and pronounce your own language????? It's clearly pronounced "Eh-weh". It's as clear as day. As clear as a bell ringing. There is no "r" sound in it. But because a Caucasian (White man) TOLD you to spell it "Erverh" - you're gonna just ignore common sense and spell it the way HE told you to! ((shakes head)) This mentality is what allows him to come to YOUR country and tell you that YOUR traditional religion was wrong and give you HIS religion and The Bible and tell you THAT is the book you should read and believe in...and you went for it! Imagine people from Nigeria or Zimbabwe sailing to England and telling the Queen of England and the other British that what THEY believe in is wrong and that they should convert to traditional African religion. How well would that fair? Take control of YOUR OWN MIND brother.

Energy Pardon me, but was their an ANSWER to atleast one of my questions in your post? If it was, I must have missed it...lol. If not, there's no need for me to repeat myself...my questions remain up their in bold letters to be answered. Troy this is a perfectly valid and simple question which you have failed to directly answer. It is very similar to the one I posed to you about the existence of racism prior to race based slave trade. Well first of all this is a DIFFERENT question than the one he originally asked. It has dates and African locations, where as the original question requested documentation of certain nation's involvement and they were GIVEN to him. Second...and this is the most important point....it's not the question in and of itself that's the problem. It's the high probability that answering THIS question would not resolve the issue anyway. Even if I were to answer it he'd ignore the answer and move on to another point. Because there is no "real" issue outside of attempting to win the "argument" and divert attention from the validity of Biblical scriptures as it relates to African people....and focus it on everything else BUT that as a diversionary tactic. There's nothing impressive about bait-n-switch and diversion. Now I don't know who is right, but the video does not prove anything. Indeed if you consider your source, some guy in a tee shirt in his foyer. Who is he what are his credentials? You give him less credit than someone who has written multiple books on the subject. Energy can correct me if I'm wrong but I understood him as saying he wrote books on how Africans are related to the Hebrews of The Bible...not on the Ewe language and culture in specific. Now I produced the video because it shows an Ewe man actually pronouncing the word "Ewe". If you listen to it at the 1:55 minute mark, you'll hear him pronounce it as either: Eh-weh or Eh-veh But the most common way he pronounces it is Eh-weh Here's ANOTHER video of an Ewe young lady who pronounces it the same way: In NEITHER of the videos do I hear them pronounce it as "Erverh". You don't hear an "r" sound in any pronounciation. So why one would one take a word the is clearly pronunced as Eh-weh and spell it as "Erverh"...except to cause confusion? My point for bringing that up was a lot of time people from other nations come to the West and ALLOW Caucasians to mispell and mispronounce their names and languages and not even try to correct them but allow the confusion to continue generation after generation. The word "Mexico" is a good example of this. For a new coming I have to admit @Energy is living up to his name -- he has demonstrated a energy and patience to go toe-to-toe with Pioneer. He also seems to be a great DANCER too.

Energy What is this? It's giving you the Historical Documentation of the British, Spanish, and Portuguese involvement in human trafficking and slavery that you asked for. Did you understand the question? Yes I understood the question, and I even asked you for CLARIFCATION to make sure I understood it! I asked you to tell me EXACTLY what you're asking me to provide, and you said: "Show me or refer me to these Historical documents please. These claims tells me..... " You specifically asked for historical documentation. I asked for EVIDENCE that says any of the said countries had engaged in human trafficking BEFORE they came to Africa? NO YOU DID NOT! Again, in reference to THOSE NATIONS (Britain, Spain, Portugal) you asked for HISTORICAL DOCUMENTATION of their involvement in human trafficking and slavery, NOT EVIDENCE. Then LATER ON in that same paragraph you started talking about various ancient European TRIBES like the Saxons, Celts, ect...and their history and asked for evidence in THEIR involvement in slavery. Here is exactly what you wrote: " I know the History of these people from the time they first became nations starting from the Visigoths, Saxons, Celts, Gauls and the Vikings. I never read anything like you are claiming in their History so I find your claims intriguing. So can you mention or point me to these alleged historical documents that said they engaged in slavery or human trafficking any time in their history? What i am asking from you is the HIGH STANDARD, Historians like myself approach a subject before accepting any such claims as proof or fact. Provide the EVIDENCE." 🤔Something I found very strange since we weren't talking about these tribes. We were talking about the NATIONS of Britain, Spain, and Portugal. You were attempting to make a STRAWMAN ARGUMENT over something we weren't discussing by changing the focus from the roles of Britain, Spain, and Portugal and focusing it on a bunch of half-organized ancient European tribes who just came out of the caves and tried to tie THEM into the role of enslaving Africans. This is why I kept the focus on the SUBJECT at hand, the role of Britain, Spain, and Portugal. Europeans first set foot in West Africa in 1471. I am asking you when in their History before 1471 did any of the Europeans nations that took part in the Transatlantic Slave Trade ever in their history engage in Human trafficking? That is the question I asked and you kept insisting that there is documentary evidence that they did. Show me this evidence? All of this is irrelevant STRAWMAN ARGUING. No one is talking about exactly when Europeans came to West Africa or who the Gauls and the Visgoths were. That argument is neither here nor there. The question was - could I provide documentation of the roles that England, Spain, and Portugal played in the TransAtlantic Slave Trade. And I provided you with links to those documents as well as pictures. Remember you said: Those who did were namely, French, British, Danes, Dutch, Spanish and the Portuguese. Can you show me any time in History that these mentioned nations ever engaged in human trafficking/slavery? You said ANY TIME IN HISTORY....now all of a sudden you are trying to modify your request with specific dates before or after. All of this crap about when the first White man set foot on West African soil, who was Queen of the Visgoths and how she loved her eggs fixed in the morning, or how many ships the Vikings had at their disposal are just diversion and distraction tactics. You asked me a direct question, and I provided you with direct answers. Let me make the question simple for you. Before 1471 when Europeans first set foot in West Africa, did any of the Countries involved in the Transatlantic Slave Trade ever engaged in human trafficking in their history? Yes or No? A totally different question all together from the one you asked in your previous posts. I've provided you with information you requested on England, Spain, and Portugal. Infact, I've been answering YOUR questions directly since you started this thread....now it's about time you start paying me the same respect! I'm not going to entertain any more of your questions UNTIL you stop ducking and dodging and bouncing around the ring trying to avoid MINE. Since this thread is about Biblical matters, let me start with 2 simple ones: Have YOU or anyone you PERSONALLY KNOW had direct communication with anyO/one in the Bible? And- Have YOU or anyone you PERSONALLY KNOW had any direct communication with anyone who had a part in actually WRITING the Bible? Since I've answer many of your questions, how about you answer my two...and we can continue with mutual respect.