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Afro he actually has a black heterosexual friend who told him that he wants a girl who has hair like him. lol i thought it was weird I'm not sure what race or ethnicity YOU are, but that desire is pretty common among Black men....especially in the Western hemisphere. That hair is called "loose curls" which is a mix between wavy and curly, considered an attractive feature for most Black women to have. They even have a hair texture number for that type of hair but I forgot what it is. what do u think of what was said? Based on my limited knowledge of West Indian culture, the term "coolie" is an insult for Indian and Chinese immigrants and their children. It's not a term I'd use. Maybe you are, but if you're not very familiar with Caribbean culture you should be extremely careful who you use that term around. The reason I'm giving you this advice is because some Black folks have a habit of talking reckless and saying things out in the open that most people say only behind closed doors or simply don't say at all...and it ends up getting them in trouble. Some of it is done out of simply being too stupid to consider the consequences...for example KNOWING that "coolie" is a derogatory word but simply not caring. But much of it is done out of sheer ignorance...for example you grew up hearing your father or friends use the term in over and over so you didn't realize how derogatory it was until you called an Indian man that and he went upside your head, lol.

A good example of CONFUSION they play on the general population are images like this in the media: In news websites and papers around the nation over the past few days you see and hear them ask the question is the MIddle East or the land of Israel about to go to war or are they on the BRINK of war, often times with a question mark at the end. Either they are stupid (and they are not) or they think much of the general population is too stupid (and much of them are) to recognize and realize what they are seeing with their own two eyes. When buildings are blown to bits and people are slaughtered and injured by the hundred and thousands you are AT war. It's no longer a "brink". It's no powder keg "waiting" to go off....it's GONE OFF. Now ofcourse the war can expand and involve more nations and become more severe, but as to whether nor not there "will be" a war is a silly question. It's already in progress. But depending on the words they use they can confuse people into thinking things aren't as bad as they seem.

Mel You asked for EVIDENCE! 😂 The debate ended there as far as I’m concerned. That usually DOES end it, lol. One of the reasons fights....even wars...about religion often last so long is because neither side can produce actual EVIDENCE let alone PROOF for what they believe. So the disagreement doesn't get settled. Seriously, why don’t more of us ask for evidence in situations that can impact our lives and perspective. I can tell you what definitely changed my way of thinking to the point I started re-examining my BELIEFS and separating them from my KNOWLEDGE (which was and still is quite limited). I started listening to a man named Neely Fuller Jr. For over 50 years has been teaching methods to counter the concept of White Supremacy. In fact, he actually mentored Dr. Frances Cress Welsing. He taught that racists have been able to dominate much of the world through their ability to CONFUSE people by displacing their actual knowledge with lies that are constantly re-enforced. Neely Fuller Jr : THEY MASTER THROUGH CONFUSION This is why it's important to VERIFY the information you receive as much as you can before accepting it as true and passing it along to your children. When I started doing this re-examination I realized how much I and other people did NOT know and were confused about. Something as simple as the fact that people call the language Espanol "Spanish" instead of by it's proper name is an example of how lies and misinformation have been engrained to the point of general acceptance.

Chev Anyone can see the rest of the definition for the term 'ruddy' that you left out. You only put "1." of the Webster definition. WOW!--You want to be right so badly that you are being deceptive. Well, if you think I'm being deceptive then SHOW US the rest of the definitions from Webster's Dictionary. Let's see if it contains the word "brown" in any of them. LOL! So WOW again, you are implying here, that people of African descent and/or BROWN people cannot display a 'RED' hue, only White people. It's not about what African people can or can't display, it's about the meaning of the word RUDDY. It clearly means REDDISH or BLUSHING . Anyone can understand the definition of 'bushy', 'nappy', 'wooly' hair, but yes, many people may believe too, the Bushy hair is 'bad'/unkempt hair. Nevertheless, White Caucasian people do NOT have naturally 'bushy' hair. Everyone on this earth, however, can have 'unkempt hair'. Thanks for the cosmetology lesson, but it was unnecessary...lol. The only thing we are concerned with here is does BUSHY = NAPPY. And it doesn't. And you haven't proven that it does. As for the term ruddy. Again, it means reddish or blushing....period. The definition is clear. And to make it even CLEARER if you go to the Hebrew Bible and look up the verse in Hebrew itself for the DIRECT TRANSLATION you will see that it's talking about WHITE and RED mixed together. Awdom (Adam) means red, ruddy, pink, blushing......which is the color of most Caucasians (white people). You can either accept it or reject it, but the truth HAS BEEN presented to you.

Chev The Septuagint was a written Greek TRANSLATION of a more ancient Hebrew script Well if it's a WRITTEN Greek translation then that means the GREEKS WROTE IT. You're kind of admitting yourself that Greeks wrote the Bible. If you believe that White Caucasians wrote the Bible; Who are you referring to? Just like the the Greek Caucasians translated the ancient script, the Latin Caucasians translated the Septuagint into the Latin Vulgate, and the English Caucasians translated the Latin Vulgate into the modern English Bible we have. Either way...regardless of who wrote these "ancient scriptures" you speak of....CAUCASIANS (White people) wrote the actual Bible. A Religious Bully is defined as in reference to someone who attacks another persons religion and religious beliefs. Both you and this Harry person, should not be allowed to do this, imo. Well I think you just "made up" that definition of out thin air because you don't like what's being written. However your last sentence was very interesting. You said we shouldn't be "allowed" to do this. In other words, neither I nor Harry threatened you or called you out of your name but because we said something you didn't like you thought we should be censored and not allowed to speak freely on the subject. ________________________________________________________________________ This EXEMPLIFIES a point I've been trying to make to @Troy for years now as to why so many women love social media and are no longer attracted to message boards. I've told him for years that most women (of all races...it's not a Black or White thing) don't feel comfortable in an open space. I'm not sure exactly what it is but it's been my observation that most women like sites where they can go "tell" on someone or get the moderator to punish or banish another person they either don't like or who attacked them. I'm not sure how we as a community will rectify this situation because it's pervasive across racial and cultural lines. I think it also leads to a lot of fighting among men who will try to take advantage of this desire among most women and engage in unprovoked conflict with other men to satisfy it. ________________________________________________________________- Chev I'm not surprised that you feel this way, I'm a little taken aback that you ADMITTED to it....lol. But I'm glad you did because again it helps to illustrate something I've been telling Troy for years. As far as our conversation about religion..... Lol, girl why do you continue to engage with me on religion when you KNOW how angry you're gonna end up getting over it? You KNOW there's a bunch of hungry lions laying around in their den chilling, yet you STILL hop the fence to stand infront of them preaching and shaking sticks at them....LOL

Mel Africans are all over the place, both as immigrants AND as natives. Most people don't realize not only were Africans in the Americas but we were also in Europe and China for THOUSANDS of years before Caucasians and modern Asians arrived in those places. Caucasians aren't the native Europeans, they FOUND Black African people already there when they migrated FROM the mountains of Central Asia, and consequently slaughtered and displaced most of them. You know when an African couple opens a hair salon in Beijing They're definitely about that life lol I like to hear Africans are making inroads into the Asian economy, especially since so many Chinese are in Africa buying up land and resources. However I have to wonder if the Chinese and Japanese aren't contributing to the brain-drain that the United States and the West already engages in. I'll never forget how somebody explained to me years ago that when Black people move to non-Black communities (nations or even just a neighborhood) and do great and impressive things, often times history records it as "that community" doing great and impressive things instead of distinguishing the Black individual who accomplished it. So the entire nation/community get's the credit while the negative image of the Black nation/community that produced them remains. I have a good example of what I'm talking about..... Right now you have a girl who is an up and coming tennis star winning all types of championships named Naomi Osaka who is half Black (Haitian) and half East Asian (Japanese) but because her parents raised her in Japan for much of her life, JAPAN is getting the credit for producing this wonderful sister instead of Haiti. I hope they will before it's too late. Well you can rest easy because I don't think it will ever really be "too late" for us because I believe Black people are "immortal". What we don't do in THIS round we may do hundreds, thousands, or millions of years down the road. However like you, I want to see it in my lifetime where I can enjoy it. I would love to buy land and invest in an African nation like Rwanda which is supposed to be one of the cleanest and most peaceful on the planet now.

Both of them have the same shaped forehead.

I wouldn't have thought this because most Dominicans don't have a "look" different than most AfroAmericans. I haven't met enough people from Trinidad to determine if they have a particular "look" or not.

Troy Man I TOLD you that girl in the picture hugging on that dog didn't live in your complex! Infact, I TOLD you she was just a model used in that picture to sucker men into moving to Tulsa! But you didn't wanna listen to the ole Pioneer..... I bet NOW you'd rather be back at your old home in Florida by the window with those gators in your backyard looking up at you grinning...lol. "Did ya miss me much?"

Mel If this is true of African immigrants - why isn't the entire continent of Africa host to the wealthiest countries in the world? I'm not asking this to debate - I genuinely believe this to be the case too. Without looking up the statistic, I get the sense that African Immigrants rarely sell their labor. Instead, they produce. Also, the percentage of African immigrants with professional and doctorate degrees outnumbers even white Americans. American Blacks and Latinos don't even measure up in that comparison. So why are some of the African countries so poor or in debt? As I write this, It appears to be the same reason that blacks don't collectively support social networks, lol. Most Africans that I know be they immigrants or children of immigrants are EXTREMELY smart and resourceful and very BOLD/AGGRESSIVE compared to other immigrant groups which also helps them socially. For some reason African men don't seem to mind putting their hands on complete strangers while communicating with them. I haven't been to any African nations (yet) so it's hard to give an educated answer as to why Africa is in the shape it's in but if I had to SPECULATE based on the limited information I have so far I'd say there are atleast 2 major reasons: 1. Outside of Nigeria and South Africa, most African nations are ruled by Western backed DICTATORS who's shameless nepotism and crony policies ensure that the most UN-qualified people occupy positions of authority keeping these nations in a constant state of economic mismanagement and political chaos. 2. For the past 50 years the West (especially United States, England, and France) has been draining Africa of most of her educated and ambitious youth who yearn for more religious and cultural freedom and more financial opportunities. Probably one of the biggest mistakes African nations made when they achieved their so-called "independence" from European colonialism was continuing to MAINTAIN those same political and economic systems they were ruled under. These systems weren't designed for sovereign nations but were specifically designed for exploitation of human and natural resources. They were literally designed to maximize profits from cheap human labor. African nations should have gradually shifted to more practical "Afrocentric" political and economic systems of government.

Chev The term 'white' in the KJV is italicized!!! The term 'ruddy' means 'reddish-brown'!!! Let's go to the dictionary to see what the word means then: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ruddy As you can see, the term "ruddy" is another term for red or reddish in complexion Which is the actual color of most Caucasians or people commonly called "white". The word "brown" is no where in the definition, stop playing.... There is no such human on this earth that is both White Caucasian with NAPPY [BUSHY] hair!!! White people don't have nappy hair! Bushy means thick and unkempt, no more...no less. Not "nappy". You're adding words again. But this one, this black skinned virgin, Abishag, is the basis of his entire book of Songs of Solomon. Is the name "Abishaq" even IN the book Songs of Solomon? If not, how can you be so sure this is the woman who it's about? We want to enter an era of TRUTH and FACTS, Chev. If you can't PROVE it with sound evidence then sometimes it's best not to mention it, lest you CONFUSE the people.

Chev But if you believe that then, please put the reference [1] to the Grecian origins of the Bible being written in Greece; and [2] the Caucasian authors you are referring to. What language was the Septuagint written in? You are a Religious Bully and that is wrong. Define "bullying" please. So, you don't believe that Black people were smart enough to write anything in ancient times? You attribute all of our scholarly contributions to Caucasians? You are trying to put words in my mouth and attribute assertions to me I have never made. And THAT is wrong.

Mel I didn't know Black Planet was still operating...lol. Issa Rae is an EXCELLENT businesswoman. A real boss. ....like most children of African immigrants. AfroAmericans are great at marketing their own INDIVIDUAL brands. Issa Rae, Puffy (he'll always be Puffy to me), Beyonce, Perry...are just a few that come to mind. But when it comes to the marketing for the COLLECTIVE....that's when the jealousy kicks in. I don't blame Rae or anyone else for capitalizing off of social media to the fullest. However at the end of the day AfroAmericans must be willing to SACRIFICE a certain amount of time, personal fame, and even temporary profit if we want to build our own platforms and have some sort of semblance of independence. Troy I know you use social media to advertise AALBC, ever thought about kicking out $10,000 or $15,000 for a couple of billboards in some strategic spots to promote this site? There's some sort of Critical Race Theory movement going around in AfroAmerican academic circles that you're probably aware of that you can really capitalize off of.

According to my mother we have some Mehicano ancestry. Many AfroAmericans with roots west of the Mississippi River have Mehicano ancestry given the history of Mehico and how far that nation actually reached BEFORE the battle of the Alamo that vastly reduced it's geographical size. As I said on another thread, most AfroAmericans have varying amounts of Native American ancestry whether it's documented or not. Most of the Mehicanos we speak of were actually Native Americans racially.

Harry Well rest assured you can sleep tight tonight, because we didn't write the Bible. The Bible was put together in Greece by a group of Caucasians.

I don't know a lot of Black men (and NO Black women) who use the word "cunt"...lol. For some reason when hear that word it makes me think of breakfast sausages or patties.

Troy Can you touch a language? Lol, can you keep a marriage in your pocket?

Mel First, you'd have to answer what is the value to post on a Black-owned forum. Black people don't hold power in this country. Therefore, posting on Black-owned media would be like preaching to the choir. At least, in the last two decades, when Black people post on white-owned sites, they've elevated their professional status. Many Black activists, entertainers, journalists, even educators have launched their profiles through Facebook, MySpace, Twitter, and now Instagram. Does this serve Black people? Nope, but it does help some Black people to realize their individual dreams. And speaking of individuality, just like any other ethnic group, we all have varying views of the world. Some of us are liberal, some of us are religious-fundamentalists, some have patriarchal views, others have matrilineal perspectives, etc. So a Black forum doesn't serve Black people either. At least not all. Humans tend to flock to communities that connect them mentally. All of what you described can be and WAS done on Black websites like Black Planet and Davey D's forums for years before social media gained more traction. You don't need a social media platform like Twitter or Facebook to do all that you described, all you need is a large POPULATION of people who are participating in the platform. People frequent these platform..not because of some inherently superior atmosphere. Infact, an overly regulated social media platform that suspends you and gives you strikes for very minor infraction is INFERIOR to a well moderated website...in my opinion. Black people flock to these places simply because they're POPULAR . That's where most of the people are...so that's where THEY go...to be around other people for whatever agenda they may have in mind be it romantic or financial. If Black people would flock to and patronize Black websites like they flock to and popularize White ones....those same "dreams" you speak of would be fullfilled and those same careers would be launched because they would have met the same people and opporunities...just on a different platform. It's simply and strictly a matter of popularity. And that popularity is for the most part due to MARKETING. Also, when we did congregate on Black-owned media, especially book shops or through book publishing -we were targeted by the FBI. So maybe black people have been programmed into believing it is better to infiltrate white-owned media and hide in plain sight, so to speak. This way, if we are targeted, it is in full view of the world. Most Black people who feel that way will feel that way on ANY platform. They're going to see social media is just another tool used by the internet to target people.

Afro I can't tell if that man is racially African or racially Dravidian. Judging by his clothes and those keys hanging off his pants, I would say he's probably racially African. We're all curious, who is the man in the original photo? Is he a relative of yours? Do you know him personally?

Troy Suicide resonates with a lot of folks also...which is why a lot of suicide videos and snuff films go viral and draw a lot of attention. But their popularity don't make them any more ethical or appropriate.

Troy Race is really no different. Ethnicity isn't the same as race. Whether you agree with the term or not....you have to admit that race is BASED on hard core physical characteristics like skin color, hair texture, eye structure, ect.. Ethnicity is based on intangible concepts like language, religion, marriage customs, ect... Much more fluid. Troy Race is really no different. Marvin Gaye is the man himself Ethnicity isn't the same as race. Perfect means NO MISTAKES. If she thought her skin was perfect and flawless then she would have bleached it...or just her face it seems. Looking like a damn CLOWN with a pastey yellow face and a brown neck and arms. I wonder do some of these women bleach their coochie too...lol. I liked Venus better anyway..lol. I thought she had a better body and a MUCH better attitude.

Marvin Gaye was the man HIMSELF. I listen to music from that brother almost every day. Infact, I appreciate him more NOW as a grown man than I did when I was growing up as a kid and much of his music was out because I can understand more of what he was talking and singing about when it comes to sex and politics. I was listen to this jam a couple days ago:

Chev Yes, I've gotten that feeling, not only in NC but in certain 'other' areas in the south as well. I've stayed around the South. I've stayed in Texas, Louisiana, Georgia, ect... There's an issue with people from the North and California coming down South bringing their "attitudes" with them to otherwise slow and quiet areas, but I seem to especially notice this on Eastcoast southern states like the Carolinas and Georgia especially. I used to live in Atlanta and you might as well live in New York or Philadelphia because over half of the people in the Atlanta area is from there anyway. And they all sound like Mike Tyson or Spike Lee...lol. No matter whether our ancestors were either positive or negative, as their offspring we become recipients of the actions and it's unavoidable. I've heard other people say this because it SOUNDS good and is simplistic, but if you think about it it's not very just or logical. If people are VICTIMS and are harmed by the hands of another because of what their parents did, then ones the harm is done the price should be PAID. It doesn't make sense than the CHILDREN and GRAND CHILDREN and GREAT GRAND CHILDREN of the victim should continue to also be victimized. Exactly when does the price get paid in full? If the first or second generation is punished, it seems like it would be justice that the generations born afterwards should be born guilt free. his is because the American Colonist set up slavery and this was the very way that they 'figured out' to throw off the shackles of their British colonizers. The American colonists didn't set up slavery, the British set it up...like they set it up in other nations. The American colonists just MAINTAINED what the British already started after they won their independence from the British. Kind of like a wife will keep the family dog after divorcing her husband. Both of them owned the dog during the marriage, she just inherited it. That sounds crazy and you are not even using common sense. I hope to have time to share more about this but for now, I just want to state the obvious; At that time span, it would be ridiculous to believe that there was A WHITE MAN, a king over a civilization, This is the Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 8-13 from the KJV: 8 I charge you, O daughters of Jerusalem, if ye find my beloved, that ye tell him, that I am sick of love. 9 What is thy beloved more than another beloved, O thou fairest among women? what is thy beloved more than another beloved, that thou dost so charge us? 10 My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand. 11 His head is as the most fine gold, his locks are bushy, and black as a raven. 12 His eyes are as the eyes of doves by the rivers of waters, washed with milk, and fitly set. 13 His cheeks are as a bed of spices, as sweet flowers: his lips like lilies, dropping sweet smelling myrrh. I quoted multiple verses so that you can see the entire thing in context and understand that this is a woman singing about a MAN (her lover). She is describing her lover's physical features and what she finds attractive about him. She clearly describes her lover as being WHITE and RUDDY (reddish and blushing). There is only ONE MAN who is the subject of this song...and that man is Solomon. Given this is called the Song of Solomon, who else could she be singing about? Today, there are several 'inter-racial' couples where the man is White and the woman is Black but not in the highest position of the government will you see a dark skinned Black woman as a leading lady UNLESS THE WOMAN IS FAIR SKINNED. She wasn't Solomon's Queen...she was one of Solomon's lovers, which is what she has been singing about in her songs. She was indeed a Queen, but not of Israel. She had her own Queendom down in a place called Sheba which is today called Yemen and Ethiopia.

Chev I would be very angry. And, I would not go along with it and would absolutely protest, right then. The reasons WHY you would be angry was because you knew the malicious and evil INTENTIONS behind them pushing that boy out on stage to expose himself like that. You knew HE didn't know any better but those who encouraged him DID. It's the same with this video. Like the retarded person...HE didn't know any better, which is why he didn't see the problem or how weird his dancing and singing was humorous to "normal" people. Autism is a developmental disability like retardation. While retardation affects the intellect. Autism affects the social skills. Neither one knows when someone is making fun of them or taking advantage of them.

Chev My initial thoughts were 'why in the world' would someone have the nerve to feature himself in a video sounding like that and contorting like that. Perhaps because YOU wouldn't take advantage of him, you don't think others would. Let me ask you a question......... If you were in school and they hosted a talent show and a group of students convinced a mentally retarded boy to go out on stage and just "be himself" and clapped and cheered him on as he acted up infront of the audience....what would you think of this? Do you think those students who pushed that retarded boy out to perform before the audience were his friends and did it with good intentions?