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Delano I'm not prepared to belabor the point I made, however I will ask you this: If my statement about Yale was inaccurate.... If I were to look up the BEST Universities in the U.S.....should I expect to see Yale listed in 1st or 2nd place; since you believe there aren't too many better?

Daniel Also in many African Societies women have held leadership roles. And the grass is green..... And the sky is blue..... Ok, now tell me something that I DON'T know. You are transposing European ideology on African Traditions which where both matriarchal and matrilineal. What the HECK are you talking about????? You are using Accurate in the sense of mimicking. He, she and I are using it in the meaning of true. Example an accurate shot is one which is a true shot.The way you are using the word would be the movie is an accurate depiction of the book. Merriam-Webster Definition of accuracy: It appears that we BOTH may be correct (accurate...lol) since there seems to be atleast two differing definitions for this one word. My idea of accuracy was precision and exactness....yours seems to be the conformity to truth. This is just an example of how TRICKY and DEVILISH White Supremacists are with their language and how it can cause UNNECESSARY fighting and division among our people.

Mistaken about what, exactly?

Daniel I know EXACTLY what he was talking about because I think ACCURATELY. Accurate Thinking is the mental process that enables us to identify that which is TRUE and RELEVANT That's not true. Accurate thinking is an important skill but it will NOT necessarily help you identify what is true. People can accurately quote the Bible or a Legal Deposition...doesn't mean what they're accurately quoting is true. I doubt that Mr. Hill (being an accurate thinker also) even wrote this. Infact, I don't even remember him writing a book called "17 Principles of Achievement". A lot of these books and weird philosophies that have been attributed to him came AFTER his death in 1970.

Stefan I wanted your thoughts on Blacks turning to Trump. Ofcourse Blacks turn to Trump. Infact, everytime Trump comes on television nearly EVERY Black person in the room stops what they're doing and turns to him....lol. It's called SHOCK VALUE.

....and I didn't realize this until I was in my 30s. Because it's not properly explained. One of the major causes of dysfunction in the AfroAmerican community is the LIES and DECEIT that is almost ingrained in the subculture of how our children are raised. We think raising them "properly" is raising them the way Caucasians TELL us we should. Rather than telling them they should go to a good University because they will make friends with more influencial people who can help them later on in life....instead we simply tell them it looks good on your resume. There are a LOT of Universities that'll give you a more thorough education than Yale, but they don't give you the opportunity to become best friends with the future Governor of Virginia or some future tech billionaire. Perhaps we as AfroAmericans need to COLLECTIVELY re-examine the natures of our MInds!

FAS I want to get out of this thread - bad! But -you love to argue, lol. I don't recall ANYTHING in it where Dr. Williams talks about mulattos and "mixed" (whatever that is) groups helping whites to rule any full-blooded dark majorities. I have the book in storage but not in my residence and it's been years since I've read it however while I try to find the actual book ONLINE here are some exerpts from it: Mulattos in South Africa rule the dark-skinned majority? Who and when? When the Boers and other Caucasians came to Azania (renamed "South Africa" by Satan) they found it populated mostly be Zulus, Shona, and San people. They raped the women and produced a group of mixed people called "Coloured" and eventually instituted a system called Apartheid similar to the Jim Crow of America which established a 3 tier society: The Caucasians on top. The Coloured (mixed race) in the middle. The African majority on the bottom. And South Africa remains that way defaco to this very day. And in Mexico, as well? How do you figure? No. Mulattos weren't a huge population in Mexico. Meztizos were. Which is kind of like a Mulatto but with Native Americans instead of Africans. Meztizos were used by the Spanish to rule the darker Native American Mexicans. Whenever there's not enough "pure" Caucasians to rule over a land, they'll draft up the Mulattos and Metzizos to help them rule over the full-blooded. Troy Lol @daniellegfny is prone to refer to sources which don't support his position. She was talking to me, not Daniel. Daniel Why aren’t there more women board owners? Lol, why aren't there more women owners of ANYTHING? Because old fashioned Republican Conservatives REALLY don't believe a woman's "place" is in the position of ownership or any other position of authority, but that of an obedient house wife. Like the Leave It To Beaver Days. That's what America would look like if Mike Pence had his way.

Same "difference". The point is sometimes discrimination and division is NECESSARY.

Troy many Black middle aged Black woman have let themselves go physically. While I don't disagree with the overall sentiment, you know what man? Believe it or not, I'm seeing a lot more good looking sisters who are OVER 50 than UNDER 30! There's something about age that ALLOWS certain imperfections on a woman's body. In other words..... A 60 year old woman with a big jelly ass and flabby arms can still be attractive. But a 20 year old woman with the EXACT same features....will be unattractive! If I know you're a certain age I will ALLOW you to have certain things wrong with your body or just ignore them as a sign of aging. And based on my experiences, most older sisters are definately CLEANER than a lot of younger ones. I've met women in their 20s who didn't even CLEAN their ass properly because they had those long nail extensions that didn't allow them to properly wipe! Other white people, like they always have. Ruling over Black people is/was a relatively recent phenomenon. Yeah but, that doesn't always work out too well. Caucasians aren't like AfroAmericans. They may play their role as serfs and low-class in the system of White Supremacy, but they don't take to kindly to being ruled over and dominated even if it's by other Caucasians. For example.................. Some redneck and racial mixed dude were going back and forth for minutes. But the MOMENT that same redneck got into the face of another White man trying to be "bad" the guy shot him. White folks wouldn't put up with HALF the oppressive shit AfroAmericans are on CNN crying about.....lol.

Daniel Thinking things which divide rather build sets up unnecessary Conflict. In order to make progress sometimes you must DIVIDE the useful...from the useless. Didn't Napoleon Hill teach you to DIVIDE the information you come across, separating that which helps you achieve your goal from that which does not? Didn't the Apostle Paul teach you to properly DIVIDE the word?

I don't like this attempt to separate AfroAmerican men and women by constantly berating and blaming AfroAmerican men while heaping praise upon AfroAmerican women. What I mean by that is...... We know our sisters are smart, tend to be mentally strong, and generally speaking have been the backbone of the family for the past 50 years...I'm not arguing that. But WHERE this praise for the Black woman and condemnation of the Black man is coming from, is what I'm taking issue with. The praise for AfroAmerican women is coming from those who traditionally HATED the Black woman and helped to demean her. I've noticed that for the past 4 years or so the mainstream media (dominate by Caucasians) have gone out of it's way to WOO AfroAmerican women as if they are trying to remove THEM from AfroAmerican society in general when they make up over half the population. I saw one article the other day that actually said "Black America Should Learn From Black Women to....." and then went on to the rest of the subject. Why are Caucasians "just now" discovering Black girl magic? And why do they feel the need to condemn and denigrate Black men in SO PUBLICALY ? Especially over something as vague and unproven as not voting in large enough numbers. I knew something was wrong when the media started blaming Black men for Hillary Clinton losing. The heifer loss because she gave up and conceded the damn election! It wasn't Black men or our lack of participation that caused her loss. Hell....she had 3 million MORE votes than Trump! She decided NOT to fight it or take it to court or make claims of fraud....but instead concede; that's not the fault of Black men or anyone else but herself. The same with Al Gore. But it's as clear as day that White Supremacist are trying to exploit and widen the division that already exists between AfroAmerican men and women.

Troy There you go man trying to run the women off the forum with your misogynic statements. I would think most Black women would LOVE to hang around an environment where brown skin and big butts are desired....lol. But then again, I'm not a woman so I don't know what they think. One significant advantage of operating your own platform is that I can not get "cancelled." I can say whatever I want, and so can you I suspect THIS fact is the REAL reason so many sisters don't feel comfortable on this discussion board. It's moderated by a Black man. I've said it time and time again..... If they don't have the ability to flag certain posts that they don't like and get them removed or get certain posters banned or black-listed....they don't feel comfortable being there. Again, I'm not a woman so I don't know exactly how they feel but I've noticed the same trends on various sites. It's not even about harassing women which I don't approve of. You can say certain things to OTHER MEN that the women reading it may not like....and they'll flag it to the moderator. Like you said in reference to FAS, a lot of women tend to be more emotional and sensitive and I realize that...that jittery emotionalism it's part of what makes them attractive (in my opinion) but the walking on egg-shell shit will get on your nerves after a while. I supposed this is a major reason so many brothers don't do well in most corporate environments. "When you have time I want to take you somewhere and....uh..... TOUCH BASES with you".

Troy I can see definitely see a need for these organizations. I think their mother (of your children) made the right decision. Was SHE connected? She probably knew more of the importance of it for them later on. You seem to be a self-made man, but most people don't have that ability....so if you want to keep your children at a certain "level" of comfort and social status that they were raised in then they need to be socially and financially "secured". I know a brother who is 42 years old in a homeless shelter who was born and raised in a wealthy and pretty well connected (in Detroit) family in a wealthy old neighborhood and BOTH of his parents were professors at Wayne State University. But because he grew up in the city the lure of 'hood life was more attractive and he ended up in and out of jails and homeless. This is pretty common. I know another sister who is 62 and used to be an elementary school teacher who is homeless. She never pledged. She had the education, but not the connections to call up and help her KEEP here social status. On top of all of that....... If I were very educated and wealthy and had daughters I would definitely enroll them in a Black society to make sure they married intelligent well connected BLACK men when they grew up so they don't end up becoming another Candace Owens or Kamala Harris.....lol. I keep saying to myself I should try to join one, but then I confronted with the question of why ... and I never came up with a compelling reason. Lol, for the same reason people join GANGS. For protection. This White Supremacist society wants to strip you of your wealth and status and if they can't get to you they'll do it to your children if they aren't protected like the two examples I gave above. Hence the need for Black societies. I know a lot of brothers and sisters who joined Black Greek societies for the career and other business and political opportunities they offer. I'm VERY surprised you don't belong to any organization given your academic career as well as personal relationships with so many AfroAmerican authors. That's usually one of the first things educated Negroes ask eachother before going ANY further in the conversation.....LOL. "I can TELL you're a Morehouse man.... Because I've only been talking to you 2 minutes and already realize I can't TELL you shit!"

Troy The opportunities in the land are boundless no doubt but we have to have a solid plan for sustenance just incase things don't according to our calculations. Plus the cultures there tend to be so different not just our own but FROM EACHOTHER. As soon as you get accustomed to greeting and doing business one way with one group, you have to learn an entirely different method dealing with another group in the very same country. Before doing ANY business in The Gambia you might want to check out some of the critiques from THIS sister who is already living there: -------------- Art Cathey's Experiences Living In The Gambia ----------------------------- She's a bit on the emotional side so I'm not sure how much of these experiences were brought on HERSELF, but she's not the only one who's made these claims.

Troy The Jack-n-Jill and other Black wealth societies are so small and secretive that they barely have an impact on EACHOTHER let alone overall Black wealth. It's not part of our CULTURE to marry our children for better connections like say Jews or Koreans and many Caucasians. A lot of our people are so envious of eachother they focus on marrying OUTSIDE of the community more so than marrying with other wealthy AfroAmericans. It is an rather insular crowd. But this is not unusual as people generally pal around with people of the same socio-economic class. Exactly. That's my point. It's almost to the point of being inbred/incestuous....lol. Plus they do a lot of unnecessary discrimination based on alumni and educational achievement, more so than professional achievement and wealth accumulation...which in my opinion is a better determination of one's character and potential for success.

I'm not sure of the stats OR the truth. Just going by my personal observation..... Again, when it comes to ACTUAL MARRIAGE (legal) it looks to me just about EVEN. I'm not talking about just banging eachother or even living together, I'm talking full fledged MARRIAGE. Now just sleeping with eachother is a different story, it seems to me that there are still far more Black men doing it than Black women. Many Black women, who reach middle age, are simply no longer interested in a relationship and make themselves unavailable, This is true. Which I find kind of strange because I'm noticing a lot more older Caucasian women who seem to be dressing sexier, doing yoga to make their bodies more flexible for sexual activity, and attending events in order to meet men of different ages for sex. In other words, it seems as if a lot of White women are getting hornier and looking for sex as they age. I'm not sure what the deal is. A lot of AfroAmerican women get hysterectomies and other medical procedures that disrupt their natural chemical hormonal balance to the point they are no longer really interest in sex and some even become more masculine and get deeper voices and grow facial hair. But this isn't natural because you don't see this among our sisters from Africa. Just like you don't see a lot of African women with stretchmarks and c-section scars. It's an American thing seen more among AfroAmericans. I don't think any of this is part of some master plan of an evil cabal of white supremacists hell-bent on world domination and the eradication of Black people Ofcourse not. If the evil cabal of White Supremacists that DOES exist decided to eradicate Black folks.....who would they then rule over?

Here's another good brother I know who actually does shows on AfroAmerican ex-pats who've moved to various parts of Africa and shares their experiences: This is his page: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOhiR-6Y-MZtMERKRENrcRw/featured ....pretty interesting collection of experiences. I've heard good things about Ghana and Rwanda. But NOT so good things about Gambia, especially with the infrastructure or lack of it.

I'd like to know the source also because I don't believe this to be the case. I don't believe 21% of young Black men are voting PERIOD....let alone for a particular candidate. Stefan I am curious to why some believe this is occurring: Then I'll give you the answer...... If they DO believe it's occurring, then it's because they're gullible and easily deceived for believing it.. The vast majority of AfroAmericans didn't like or vote for Trump in 2016 BEFORE they realized what kind of President he would be. Now with all of these protests and riots going on why in the hell would anyone seriously BELIEVE that that MORE Black folks would turn around and vote for him after things have declined even further? They can put out ANY propaganda and information. If you're silly enough to believe it, then it's on you (not you personally Stefan but the proverbial "you")....not them. Many Black men still attack tennis great Serena Williams for marrying a White man. Even though I've countered many times that Serena did not marry a White man. She married a man she fell in love with. The man she fell in love with was a Caucasian man...lol. I don't know a lot of AfroAmerican men who actually got upset over this. Not even me. We noticed it and talked about it, but no one stayed up at night crying over it. You know AfroAmerican men are not as jealous or possessive of their women as Caucasian men are. I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing, but it's a fact. It is hard to defeat ignorance. And we are seeing it in action. But do you know what's WORSE than ignorance? Naivete Gullibility These things are WORSE than ignorance. Why? Because if a person of normal intelligence is ignorant, that problem can be corrected by giving them knowledge. But if a person is naive and gullible that denotes a problem with their inate intelligence, which isn't as easily corrected. If untrustworthy people tell you things that go directly against reason and your common sense and you're willing to believe them without proof, that's a problem.

Delano No I was referrering to the descendants will have time, although they will generally be involved in various programs and activities that are less accessible to the general public. Those activities build both skills and contacts. This is true. Especially among wealthy Caucasians. I don't pal around with a lot of AfroAmericans who are wealthy but from what I've observed and heard most wealth AfroAmericans don't stress to their children the importance of establishing connections and contacts to secure wealth and power. Black Fraternaties and Sororities are about as good as it gets for most AfroAmericans with money. And after that a fraction of them in places like Atlanta or D.C. may involve themselves in Black societies like the Jack-n-Jill, but for the most part most AfroAmericans don't focus on establishing connections for their children or marry them together to unite families.

Troy I know you don't believe in different races, but you DO realize that most Mexicans are of the same "racial group" as most Native Americans....right? Where as the British in the United States and Canada forced Native Americans on reservations, in Mexico and other parts of Central America the Spanish killed off many of the men and raped the Native American women and girls...producing Mexicans, Guatamalans, and these various other nationalities.

Daniel I will not disown my nephew or cousins based on your definition. Does my definition ask for you to "disown" anyone or reject them? My definitions on race call for no action outside of CRITICAL INDEPENDENT THINKING .....and no longer allowing Caucasians to GIVE you your thoughts. Your reasoning makes me think of Destruction of Black Civilization. Excellent book by brother Chance Williams! He talks about how Mulattos and mixed groups were used by Caucasians to HELP them rule the full-blooded dark majority. South Africa is a good example of this as well as Mexico. I have an academic education and I found Trump much more effective. But your academic education doesn't teach you how to think CRITIALLY and INDEPENDENTLY. And because of this it has left you vulnerable to the BRAINWASHING effects of right wing media outlets like Fox News and right wing propagandists like Rush Limbaugh and Michael Whiner Savage. Agent Orange can lie 15 times a day, but you'll look past those lies in devotional admiration of him because of the conditioning of your mind. Troy I have to admit the photos of Melania are HOT!! Melania is definitely a much more desirable First Lady than Michelle Obama, so much more attractive and poised ... any real man, Black or white would love to be in Donald's shoes. That is really the only reason Black wome hate Trump ... they know Black men are lusting after our, oh so sexy, first lady. Maaaaaaan...... Lol, you had me GOING for a hot second! Honestly, I wouldn't have been disappointed that you actually felt that way...I was just surprised that you were so bold about verbalizing it....LOL. It was so out of character.....like your calling so many acts of White Supremacy "devil" lately....I was beginning to wonder what was happening! Personally, Melania isn't a bad looking woman. Infact, Melania's face is "prettier" in my opinion....but Michelle is SEXIER. They are both built similarly (tall and slim) but Michelle's brown skin and big nice shaped butt makes her more attractive, to me.

So if you tell ONE LIE then that means you're a "liar" in your book? If that's the case then EVERYONE would be a liar based on that definition. Everyone would probably be a THIEF too, since just about everyone has stolen something atleast once in their life. Man, you sure do have an INTERESTING moral code. Willing to let millions of people die to establish herd immunity and keep the economy going, but being called a "liar" is intolerable....LOL. The poor man died of Covid 19, isn't it a shame? "The bastard SHOULD have died! He shouldn't have called me a liar!"

This is where analytical thinking comes into play. Based on my observations of society....... When it comes to just having sex and looking for sexual partners, AfroAmerican men have sex with Caucasian women FAR more than AfroAmerican women do. But when it comes to MARRIAGE I think today it's roughly the same with marriages between AfroAmerican women and White men having increased significantly over the past 40 years! The White Supremacists assigned to rule over the United States have systematically eroded and almost DESTROYED the manufacturing base of this society. These were jobs most AfroAmerican men relied on to make a good living, support themselves, and support their families. They took away the factory jobs where a Black man without a high school diploma could a good job, buy a house, and take care of a wife AND his girlfriends on the side.....and told him NOW if he want to make a living he needs to go to college and get a degree. This made an environment where most Black men no longer became viable marriage material. He was good in bed, but couldn't be relied on to be the provider for her or their children....so they started turning to Caucasian men because THEY have the money and power. Plus, for the past 50 years or so since the 60s Caucasian men have learned to make themelves more "attractive" to women by imitating US and our style of dress, dance, talk, music, ect..... Look, I'm considered poor myself. I'm not in the condition to take care of myself AND a Black woman and any children we may have the way they SHOULD be taken care of. And because of that....I'd feel a little funny cussing my sister out and telling her to stay away from that Caucasian dude standing overthere in a suit with flowers in his hand winking at her, and stand by me instead. "Come to daddy.... You chocolate little jungle bunny, you!" Caucasians were smart enough to retain money and power...plain and simple. No excuses. Until WE (AfroAmerican men) find a way to increase our wealth and power tremendously....it is what it is. I understand it. But that doesn't mean I have to "like" it. And I don't.

Daniel I just need to read a book 📖 to improve my intelligence. Lol...... Reading a book will NOT improve your intelligence (unless it's a book that teaches you how). It may increase your KNOWLEDGE but it won't improve your capacity to learn (intellect). But I'll dip out and let you get back to Troy...... BTW. I'm not sure if he honored your request already because I looked for it and read nowhere where you were called a "liar". You were accused of LYING, but not called a LIAR (based on the current posts). There's a difference.

I'm curious.... Why is being called a "liar" worse...in your opinion....than being called "dumb"? A person can correct their morals easier than they can improve their intelligence. Troy I'm not saying that these things NEVER happened. I'm saying I don't KNOW that they happened, and White Supremacists are well known to lie in their history books. This is one of the reason "new historical facts" are constantly found and dug up ever year on what we think is established history Just when you thought you know everything about the Civil War, the movie GLORY comes out and tells of the Black regiment. You simply can't trust White Supremacists and their versions of history.