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ProfD Right. Everything about this existence stops. No more chains. No, but the chains are replaced by worms wiggling around on your wrists....lol. Many people find enjoyment &/or pleasure in doing absolutely nothing. Death provides it. But according to the atheist/agnostic view point...they CAN'T find enjoyment or pleasure in death because they aren't conscious. They don't really want to be free. Like a drug addict, they just want to get high. There's a difference. Well..... I think what most people want is PEACE and HAPPINESS. Now if freedom will bring you that, then like Cinqe said in Amistad: "GIVE ME FREE" But if you're in bondage and being fed, clothed, and housed in relatively comfortable conditions and being "freed" means all of that would be removed and you'll be tossed out into the harsh cold winter with no master and no shelter either.........then many would argue that bondage is probably better. Yet, there's no way of proving &/or knowing alternative dimensions or realities exist other than one's own mind. There is plenty of proof. Has been for decades if not centuries. It's been proven beyond any doubt that Realities exist after physical death and beyond this one. Whether one chooses to accept it or not, is another story....lol. Freedom, enjoyment and pleasure are not synonymous or inextricably linked. Correct. For examples, humans find enjoyment & pleasure in s8x but procreating can nullify their freedom. People enjoy getting high until a terrible accident gets them locked up behind bars or worse.🤣 So you see the point I'm making of why freedom in and of itself isn't necessarily the ultimate goal for most people.

Lol.... You want me to dig up scientific text and research on an easy Sunday morning just to convince you of something you probably already know; that Black men tend to be more physically attractive? Your life experiences and observations aren't enough to draw that conclusion? The fact that White men have historically been insecure over Black male sexuality isn't enough for you to draw that conclusion? I could dig it up in 15 minutes, but like Troy on the race issue.....no matter how much information I provide it won't change your position of opposing mine. You'd either ignore it or poke holes in it and maintain your position -which is opposing mine, lol.

Troy Sure, if they identify as such. And that's the problem. In your opinion people can identify however they CHOOSE to identify and that identity will be accepted. I think this is a TERRIBLE mistake. You can keep them out the Black club. Yes you can. White folks know who is and ain't White and do a pretty good job of gate keeping....lol. If...by YOUR definition - not mine...being Black is linked to our ancestry and culture and the Congolese shares none of that, then they aren't Black and shouldn't be accepted as such. I choose not to and welcome them with open arms. Would you also welcome a man....who insists that he's a woman....with those same open arms? It's the same thing. Again, I assert rejecting, embracing, or assigning characteristics to people based upon how they look is simply dumb. How one looks is PART of their characteristics...lol. Again, would it be dumb for you to reject this person as a woman based on how they look?

When the doctor prescribes you medicine, do you try to figure it out....how it works....and "understand" it before you take it? Lol, or do you simply follow the instructions of one who knows more about these things than you?

When a University only has so many seats available for their PhD program and seek candidates to fill those seats they'll test a large group and weed them out based on who has the highest test scores. That's like you telling them that they can't have it both ways, either they have enough room and resources for everybody applying....or they don't. But they can't have it "both ways". What you're calling "both ways" or a seeming contradiction in positions is actually called analytical thinking.

ProfD Right. It has been happening for a long time now. Funny part is when people asked for natural remedies for their ailments & conditions they would get side eye from medical professionals. That is until industries started producing *natural* herbs & supplements which can be found on store shelveseverywhere. Many of those so-called natural herbs and supplements have been watered down and are next to ineffective. The medical industry made sure of that. When I started really getting into herbs and supplements and natural health back in the 90s, most of the herbs that you'd get at the drug store or grocery store were FAR more effective than they are today. Now you have to go to a Whole Foods or GNC or some independent health food store to get the real stuff that actually works or that is potent.

See, I don't think I'm getting enough credit for my prediction.

I called it, but where is the credit....lol.

Biology. Black men tend to dominate in the physical features that make men attractive to heterosexual women.

There's a book called "A Brave New World" written nearly 100 years ago that predicted much of this. It predicted that human beings would be controlled and manipulated by drugs. Not just the Speed and Meth being used in warfare to make "super soldiers" but also to use on the work force. Look at how many people are addicted to Red Bull and those Monster drinks. Now they're guzzling down those 5 hour energy shot which are straight up drugs in my opinion. ...cocaine in a bottle.

I don't.

And what did this do to the Black landscapers that I remember from the 70s, 80s, and 90s, who used to ride around the city with trailers attached to their trucks with lawn mowers and edgers on them doing yardwork for a living? What did this do to the Black teen boys who used to cut grass, rake leaves, and shovel snow back in the day for some quick cash to go to the mall? You don't see that anymore do you?

Whites will...as they often have...pretended to be "Black" in order to infiltrate AfroAmerican circles and manipulate them for social and political reasons. Also, when Reparations are approved and distributed either now or in the future, there will be many Whites (and other races) who seek to take advantage of this by claiming AfroAmerican ancestry and bringing up a long lost Black grandmother or use some other trick or form of deception in order to reap the benefits. You see them doing this right now by White people with blonde hair and blue eyes claiming to be Native Americans to get casinos and other benefits allotted to Native Americans.

ProfD That's not the weapon being used to annihilate and control people. Sure they are. The Magic being used consists of psychological programing to manipulate thought and emotion as well as advanced weaponry to kill and maim. They use real weapons and artillery. I agree. Because Magic is real. The reason you're drawing a distinction is because you feel that Magic isn't real but you consider KNOW that the weapons being used are real because they are readily observable. Just because you don't or can't observe something, doesn't mean it's not real Whether ones believes something or not has no bearing on it's reality or existence. It is still real. As the resident agnostic around here, you already know I see religion & magic similarly.😁 I understand your skepticism. However my personal experiences and observations confirm my beliefs and acceptance of Magic and rejection of religion.

When it comes to creating a beauty pageant for Black men, I don't think seeking validation and permission from non-Blacks is the issue. I think current lack of interest is. in this society, few people....except for gay men or young girls....seem to be too interested in men's looks or judging them by their "beauty". Based on my observations, when it comes to looks...women tend to place men in 3 categories: -Disgusting (very ugly to the point that even money won't help) which is less than 6% of the male population -Acceptable (which actually ranges from mildly ugly to average to cute) which is over 90% of the male population -Super fine (extremely good looking) which is less than 4% of the male population

ProfD Absolutely. Death is freedom from all forms of pain &/or suffering. Regardless of state of being, that person is no longer restricted or oppressed; in pain &/or suffering. But once one actually dies....if according to the atheist/agnostic there is no consciousness after death...how would they enjoy or even know that the pain and suffering has ended? They don't know anything. They don't even know that they are dead. Would the last thing they remember is the pain and suffering before....lights out? Reads like your idea of freedom comes with some type of enjoyment. Well, isn't that ONE of the purposes of freedom? To enjoy oneself or find pleasure? What would be the benefit of being free if there is no pleasure or enjoyment to it? The lure of enjoyment which is temporary freedom is exactly how people remain restricted &/or oppressed. That's why most people are afraid to die. You have to admit that there is SOME logic to this belief system. Why should some people seek "freedom" if that particular freedom would bring more pain, suffering, confusion, or discomfort than the restricted conditions they are living under where they do experience some joys and pleasures? The slave didn't want to kill massa, burn down the big house, and run out into the woods to escape slavery.....only to starve to death or die of exposure IN those woods. To truly be free is unbound by any chains literal or figurative. Correct Death removes them Perhaps. Speaking as a Metaphysical Theist, I believe that even after physical death in this dimension you move to other dimensions where there are still restrictions to a certain extent. Not as many as in this One, but they do exist.

ProfD Powerful people aren't using magic to oppress others and/or enrich themselves. If you understand my definition of Magic, you'd agree that they are. My definition of Magic is that it's occult (hidden) science. Universal scientific methods that Western science has yet to or never will realize or recognize. Magic is real. As opposed to fraud and trickery which is often passed off AS magic. Just recently, POTUS OJ blew up some sh8t & overthrew another leader & threatened to take another country. Transferred $500 million dollars from stolen oil profits into sn offshore bank account. No doubt some of what was used to carry out that operation was Magic. The U.S. military uses Magic. Russian president Vlady Putin is sacrificing millions of his cousins lives. Still selling oil to other countries. He's a billionaire. Magic often involves sacrifices. Blood sacrifices. The victims of these actions are being unalived, manipulated and/or controlled. Most of them are not rich or wealthy at all. Correct. Many of them aren't taught Magic or even basic science. Many of them have been kept ignorant to be used as guinea pigs, sacrifices, and work horses. Taught to just "pray to Jesus" to make everything alright and stay away from Magic because they are told it comes from Satan. It would be interesting to know for whom magic is working. Magic works well for those who know it and practice it as good as a weapon or any other tool works when you know it and how to use it. Did you know NWA or atleast Eazy E used a Ouija board?

Interesting. I wonder what goes through people's minds when they first try drugs like Meth or Crack. What are they thinking....that THEY won't be addicted?

richardmurray Lol....man, what do you do for a living? What is your profession?

Is death truly a form of "freedom" for the atheist or agnostic? If one doesn't believe in the existence of consciousness after a physical death, they wouldn't be around to enjoy no longer being restricted or oppressed. After a stressful or hectic day, one often enjoys a good nights sleep or a deep sleep because of the relaxed feeling of well being that you feel in the morning. But if there is no morning after that sleep................

1. Magic is real, but I don't think that the powers that be (who practice forms of it) will allow REAL magic to be so easily and readily circulated around in books. They'll let you put some book out with meaningless rituals while THEY practice the real thing. 2. When people start talking about they have the methods to change Reality and make this or that happen, I like to look at their personal lives. Do they have a serious illness? Have they lost a loved one? How are their finances.....are they broke or poor or in huge debt? If so, why aren't they using what they're preaching and teaching to help themselves?

Cynique Nobody I know uses the term "Afro-American". As far as I'm concerned, it is an obsolete label like - "jive-assed nigga". Malcolm X routinely referred to our people as AfroAmericans. But I understand why many of our people are reluctant to use the term because they often think of the Afro hairstyle when they hear it, lol. Over the past 50+years, "Black" is the most common word used when referring to America's slave descendants. Previously, Whites soliciously refrained from publicly calling us what was considered a derogatory term until we started calling ourselves that via the "Black is Beautiful" slogan embraced by the Black Panthers who took their cue from Malcom X. This all took place back in the late 1960s, and from that time forward we, as a people, proudly became "Black" with a capital "B"; going from an adjective to a noun. I use the word "Black" too. However in honesty...it's an inaccurate and misleading term that should be replaced in my opinion. Not only are very few people actually "Black", but when people not very familiar with the English language hear it...it confuses them as to why some people who look almost White are called Black while others who are darker but from a different race like the East Indians or some Latinos...aren't. The idea of blackness being "a state of mind" also came about during this era, presumably to promote inclusiveness, especially since such dynamic activists as Huey Newton, Angela Davis, and Malcom, himself, were light-skinned. The problem with basing Blackness on a "state of mind" is that White racists can easily infiltrate Black circles by pretentious means. There are so many White people who are good at talking and sounding like a typical "AfroAmerican" even down to the very inflections on the voice that if you didn't see them in person, you'd think they WERE AfroAmerican. Certainly they can do this online. With such lax rules, they could easily steal the identify of AfroAmericans in a generation or two like they did with the Native Americans. In the present, calling negroid Immigrants "African" suffices, because that is what they are, and nobody is confused as to what segment of the American population is being referred to when using that description. 2 issues with this: 1. What about the ones who actually gain their American citizenship? They are no longer JUST African but are Americans too. 2. What about the descendants....2nd and 3rd generations...of those born here to those African immigrants who are clearly American not just legally but culturally two? Should they just generically be labeled as "Africans' even though they as individuals are just as American culturally as anybody else?

I think they SHOULD have beauty pageants for men too, but that's not going to be very popular because Black men and men of African descent in general would routinely win them and it would severely damage the concept of White male superiority. In order for White men or Asian men to win "beauty" or "handsomeness" competitions they would literally have to make white skin or slanted eyes one of the traits or standards OF beauty for men, which would go against nature. Other natural markers for male physical attractiveness like muscularity, symmetry, deep voices, smooth and dark skin....Black men rule. Women...not just American women but women all over the globe...consistently see men of African descent as the most physically attractive and masculine regardless of the propaganda and conditioning.

Troy Here again, your love for this arbitrary term leads to nonsensical conclusions. There is no meaningful difference between Black American, African American. Afro American, Colored American, or Negro American the terms change over time and to white people we are still all spooks LOL! This is what happens when you don't control your own narrative. With the exception of "AfroAmerican", most of those terms are titles GIVEN to us by White people Titles that are not only inaccurate but confusing. Dr. Amos Wilson said: "Power is the ability to define reality and to have other people respond to your definition as if it were their own." It's not about what THEY call us, but what WE choose to start calling ourselves that give whatever term we choose to use real meaning. Now a lot of AfroAmericans are choosing to call themselves FBA which....although still not too accurate....carries more respect because it's a name we choose for ourselves instead of being branded with it like "negro" or "colored". Being "Black" is about how and where you were raised our shared cultural experiences and here in American the legacy of enslavement is part of the culture. If this is the case, what about the Sudanese or Congolese who came to the United States after 1965? Since they aren't part of the culture or shared legacy of slavery, are THEY Black?

The U.S. is looking more like a cesspool than a melting pot