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Cynique As usual you invoke your straw man retorts by contradicting what i didn't say. What I did say was, "bougie" is simply pop culture slang. And I did not deny that the boule had a connection with the DuBose talented tenth. What I further pointed out was that just because you are a Greek or belong to the boule doesn't mean you are automatically wealthy so the connection between boule and the well-off family on the Beyond the Gates soap opera wasn't a "given" as you implied. Furthermore, Sororities are members of the Divine Nine so they do have an affiliation with the boule, something you denied. You seem to think Boule = College Fraternity/Sorority They are NOT the same. The Boule is NOT an academic fraternity. Moreover in 1951, my first year at the University of Illinois, I resided in the Alpha Kappa Alpha (Gamma Chapter) sorority house, and I and the girls in my pledge group remained bonded and friends all of our lives. Woman please....lol. That little dancing, holding up candles, and "walking around in circles while chanting" shit you did in college is NOTHING compared to the BIG LEAGUE sororities that you enter into once you get OUT of college and are being considered for positions of power in and by upper class Black society. So stfu. You didn't school me on nothing. Shut up...you KNOW I been schooling your ass for the past couple of days, lol. And you're probably going to be occupied for a week TRYING to do as much research as you can on just the little bit of knowledge I JUST dropped on you in these few posts alone! I can tell you that there was no worship of Greek gods there as you falsely claimed. How the hell do YOU know? You ain't BEEN high enough in any order to find out...lol You PLEDGED didn't you? Who do you think you were "pledging" to? You "crossed the burning sands" didn't you? Do you even know what it MEANS to "cross the burning sands"???? Even most initiates and full fledge members of those organization don't know what it means....but "we" do.

Which is why I kept saying that BOTH of them were wasting their time with that "live from the capital steps" event. Just like Booker was wasting his time and energy with that 25 hour filabuster. These racists bastids don't give a fuck about integrity or morality or you "speaking the truth" on some damn steps in white tennis shoes and a chain around your neck like rapper rejects from the late '80s. These people only respect POWER, and POWER comes from organized people. What Booker and Jefferies NEED to do ("what niggaz NEED to do is"...lol...shout out to Tariq Nasheed) is get OUT of D.C. and do a tour around the nation organizing the PEOPLE...especially Black and Brown people to rearrange Congress for the midterms, rearrange the governors, and groom a viable candidate for 2028! One of the wisest things President Obama said was: "Don't get angry.....get organized!"

Nah woman, YOU'RE the one who's got it all twisted because YOU are the one running around trying to "research" the shit I'm telling you....lol. I don't need to research it because I've BEEN knowing it....for decades. Stop thinking you know everything and you MIGHT learn something....even from a "dummy"...lol First of all "bougie" didn't come from the "talented tenth" concept, but the Boule itself did....in part. Second the Boule (which isn't it's official name) is an organization for MEN....not women (who have their own organization). So there are no sororities involved. Maybe if your attitude wasn't so shitty some of your well educated girlfriends might have invited you to some of their parties and shared more information with you about their clubs and organizations....lol For those who really want to know the truth, a lot of it was influenced by the Prince Hall Masons who are an organization of men but also have a counter part for women called Eastern Stars. But these were mostly poor and working class people though, so the wealthy and professional Black folks decided to form their own secret organization along similar lines....one for men and the other for women. That's enough for YOUR brain to handle...lol. That FRACTION of knowledge I just dropped really wasn't for you anyway, but for those who are curious about how much I actually DO know....lol.

Colorism is still an issue among our people and it's making a resurgence because of our prolonged contact with Latinos and even Asians where colorism is still very strong among them and often influences the "type" of Black people they want to interact with. I remember in the 80s and 90s....colorism was almost extinguished like a fire. The only place you found it was in schools among little kids. But as I said, contact with a lot of Latinos brought out the hidden desires of some of our people and exposed how much many of them love light skin. Just like a person who loves White people but doesn't want to admit it will often get with the lightest skinned Black person they can find, contact with Latinos gave some of our people just the excuse they wanted to get closer to White folks without actually getting close to "White folks"

Troy My girl Tiffany Cross begs to differ with you over whether or not Bill is a racist: It's segments like THIS that may explain why MSNBC let her go. Anyway.... She pointed out how people like Bill Maher uses "fair play" or "equal time" as an excuse to give racist White folks like Trump, Ann Coulter, and Kid Rock space to spew their rhetoric. When was the last time Minister Farrakhan or any member of the Nation of Islam or the Black Pather Party was invited on his show?

Mel So, since you're not a member, do you think something satanic is going on? Jeez! Please stop. They are just people who want to make a difference in the lives of others. I don't ascribe to a belief in Satan or demonology, so no...lol. On a spiritual level I think educated Black people should be careful pledging and taking oaths in the name of and to Greek Deities of whom they know little about. As far as the Boule being a service organization. Hey....it is what it is. What would you like these legislators to do? Focus on local and statewide mid-term elections and especially on the Presidential Election (if there IS one) of 2028. And specifically...although I don't think they're going to do it...reconsider being members of the Democrat OR Republican parties period. It's really high time for AfroAmericans...and non-Blacks who share our values and are willing to follow our lead....to form OUR OWN political party. The recent election of Trump as well how the Democratic Party abandoned Mayor Adams and a lot of other Black politicians over the years has made this point crystal clear. They really need to be spending their time and energy going from region to region and organizing a new party. Or do you have animosity towards them because they have some semblance of power in this country? Or because they can change lives with their access? No, however if you DO sense a little bit of frustration...it's because there could have been another brutha up there with them on the steps. Hill Harper. Hill Harper was running for U.S. Senator out of Michigan and the Democrat Party including the Black Caucasus pretty much IGNORED him and his campaign. He was already a Hollywood star and could have been the next rising star...or possibly another Obama...if they had backed him up but they didn't. Shit like that solidifies my position that NEITHER party is serious about delegating real power to AfroAmericans. And what does their complexion have to do with anything? That's a bit offensive because colorism is divisive. Don't worry about it. You brownskinned woman.....you wouldn't understand It's a light skinned masculinity thang....lol. You can't be talking all day long with your legs cocked open with a small ass package and call yourself representing ME. And finally, where are you holding @Pioneer1 hostage? Where do we drop the ransom to get him back? After these dudes gave light skinned bruthaz a bad name, Pioneer1 had to grab a pair of tight pants and find the nearest mall to chill in with his legs open to get our respect back! But don't worry....what I was packin' MORE than made up for what we saw in D.C. this morning.

It goes back further than that when a lot of Black leaders in the 30s and 40s studied the philosophies of Communism and the terms "bourgeoise" and "proletariat" were introduced to us. In Marxism the term "Bourgeoise" means more than JUST middle class but UPPER middle class. A more accurate term would be Professional class and Small business owner Just like Proletariat is the working class.....masses. It's not just a term thrown around by young folks in the 70s. When I joked about that show being "Boule Behind The Gates".....how in the hell did you think so many rich niggaz GOT to be Bougie in the first place??? As MEMBERS of the Boule their positions afforded them a comfortable "bougie" lifestyle....lol.

Why would you ask questions from a "dummy"? Let me guess... The popularity of the word "bougie" in our community (or atleast before the 90s...not so much after) has to more to do with the mistake a lot of early Black leaders made aligning themselves with Marxism and it's philosophy thinking it would be some sort of better alternative to capitalism.

If you think this is some sort of "insult".....lol....you apparently don't know men very well. Anyway..... How accurate are political polls really? | The Week

Talk about synchronicity.... Funny how I just got through talking to Cynique about the Boule, these congressional dudes start set tripping about the Divine 9 and throwing up frat signs and even the female pastor who was sitting between them threw up some sort of sorority sign. It tells me where THEIR minds are, lol. Mel They're wasting BOTH time and energy sitting on those steps dressed like Run DMC. ...not to mention how they're making light skinned bruthaz look sitting like that. I can't keep watching that shit FrFr

Then why would you accuse me of confusing boule with bougie?

Mel So, you have a problem with the means (data collection and distribution) because you believe they negatively affect the end (statistics). Yes Did you read what I said about the methods they used to gather "unemployment" stats? How could anyone reasonably accept those figures as accurate given the methods used to collect them? I can only disagree that you can trust your eyes. You can't because people can cloak their physical abilities, mental abilities, and finances. Therefore, you can't accurately determine the unemployment rate of those people by observation. Also, using your criteria, you cannot physically observe who is "able-bodied" or if those people are employable. While you're right, from a PERSONAL point of view...I can say that I'm pretty honest with myself. So why should I trust information coming from a stranger more than what I've personally witnessed? I can drive down the street and SEE homeless people on the sidewalk, but I wouldn't even TRY to guess the homeless rate in the state of Michigan much less the entire nation. You can only trust your observation if you first check what the Labor Department is measuring, who they are collecting this information from, and how they distribute it to determine the results. However, observing a sample population, such as who is working and who is being counted in your neighborhood, will never get you to a correct answer. And while it may bring you comfort, how does it bring a solution? I wouldn't compare my personal observations to an agency CHARGED with collecting data to determine these things because my personal observations are obviously too limited. Troy What about people who have 20/10 vision, who can see thing people with 20/20 can't. How about eagles who can see thing now human can see? What about them? They are accurate too with even MORE precision (thanks for something Delano...lol) Or is it your position that only concepts like NUMBERS can be accurate but when it comes to hearing and sight....it's a matter of detail and not accuracy? AGAIN we are not talking about liars or people trying to deceive -- set that aside. Yes we ARE. That was my point earlier. That's PART of the reason I DON'T trust many of the stats being put out. Delano -For a person who dropped out of the conversation...you're sure leaving a heck of an echo...lol Nor were you trained in statistics Nor do I need to be to make the point I'm making. They are subject to human error and shouldn't be blindly trusted. It's obvious to everyone else. Am opinion is never wrong but it can be either uninformed or misinformed. Pioneer has hit the Daily Double. Hee hee haa haa But uhh.....don't quit your day jobs as a gigolo & part-time horoscope reader in the down under, lol.

As the late great Honorable Neely Fuller Jr. has taught us.... Given their history, when it comes to a White person.....it's not about proving that they ARE a racist, it's about proving they're NOT.

Troy Is that really your take-away from the presentation. Pretty much...... Because as far as I'm concerned they're just jaw-jacking. They may as well just "put a sock in it" (pun intended) because all of these local townhall meetings and discussions with "the people" are pretty much useless at this point. What POWER do any of these men have to counter what Trump is doing or what he's planning to do? The man is in office and he's pushing his agenda. Plain and simple. Anything short of talk of impeachment to usher him out is pretty much a waste of breath. The focus might as well be on who's going to replace him in 2028.

Troy We're not talking about the end of the "planet" but the end of the "world" or a global system of how things operate. As far as it's end..... I stopped believing in dates after 2012....lol. Really, I told myself I would stop after 2000 after all of the predictions about the world ending before the year 2000 failed. But since the 2012 prediction supposedly had came from the ancient Mayans...I held out for that one, lol. However the Covid 19 Pandemic came close to ending the world as we know it today. People I talked to even in their 80s said they hadn't seen the world shutting down and that much fear and panic before in society like the Covid Pandemic produced. We all remember 9/11 and it changed a lot....but even IT didn't affect America and much less the world like Covid.

And apparently YOU don't even know what the "boule" is. If you hadn't dropped out of college, maybe you would have...lol. Ask your friends Troy or Mel about the boule, maybe they'll explain it to you. I won't waste my time and you wouldn't believe me anyway.

Like I sad, living in her mind rent free....lol.

No homo, however...... If you are a man (or men) without much of a "package"....... PLEASE don't sit like that, lol. For real though. If middle aged women have a bigger "bulge" in their crotch than you, come on...lol. If you KNOW you're going to be sitting in that position and you KNOW what you're working with....stuff some socks in it or something for the aesthetics, lol. Na'mean???

Cynique Oh here we go.......lol. I never questioned the sincerity of the friendship between you and Troy, Delano, or anybody else on this site. That doesn't mean that every word of flattery that comes out of your mouth is sincere. It would seem to ME that if you GENUINELY thought that these gentlemen were "cool guys"...you would have said it much sooner and in an appropriate setting. ...like it's own thread, lol. I can disagree and even argue with Troy and ProfD all day long. Infact, personally it's FUN to do so. I actually agree with them MORE than I disagree but it makes for more conversation to go over points of DISAGREEMENT with them...but never once have I felt the need to tell them how much I like them or even how cool they are. Perhaps it's a "masculine" thing. But what's UNDERSTOOD doesn't need to be SAID Real talk So the fact that you go out of your way to compliment other men INFRONT of me says less about how sincere you actually ARE with those compliments but more about how much I stay on your mind. I'll tell ya Cynique.....you're starting to concern me....lol. For somebody who doesn't have "a thing" for me....THOUGHTS of me sure do live in your mind rent free...lol. I was stunned by the distorted version of why I simply stopped posting here as I do from time to time - because I simply become burnt out. Stunned???? Lol...what can a 90-something year old STILL be "stunned" at seeing??? Anyway..... Cynique cut the shit, you KNOW you got mad over something and left. I forgot exactly what it was but it was a while back before the Pandemic. You made some sort of snide remark having to do with some social media platform that you were posting on at the time being better or having more friends on it or something; but you DID say something a little greasy before you left. I remember that....so don't play like you just got tired and took a break. But enough of that..... I'm not going over that again because all you'll do is start doing what you usually do....which is what you're getting close to doing right now...and we don't wanna see that. Either contribute to THIS conversation or shut the door behind you please. You can join Delano and yall can go over Horoscopes together or something....lol.

Troy Yes, “accurate” is how we define it. The works we observe is simply hire we are capable of perceiving it. Ask any Optometrist...there is definitely a standard for what is considered ACCURATE human eye sight. And even as lay people we've all heard of 20/20 vision. You're playing with words and definitions. But if "accurate" is simply how we define it...as you say...then it's still a real thing and shouldn't be dismissed. Oh, I thought it was about personal observations versus statistics. You’re arguing that personal observations, anecdotes, are better than the days collected from polls and the like. What did I miss? You missed your calling as a lawyer....lol....as much as you like to play with words. It's about BOTH. But when I bring up the fact that stats and figures can be misrepresented and manipulated, you accused me of "muddling" the argument as if that particular point WASN'T part of the discussion all along. Polls are not just for collecting opinions. Polls collect factual information like age income, etc. But I was incorrect too. Thanks for your acknowledgement....lol. This does not change my point, however polls and the census both are more valuable than anyone’s personal observations — indeed that is why they are conducted. Valuable if they are PROPERLY conducted. If they are not or are fabricated....they are far more damaging.

Troy A Catholic Bishop named "Malachy Martin" nearly 1000 years ago. 900-year-old Vatican doomsday prophecy resurfaces amid Pope Francis’ illness | Euronews Oxford Bible Church - The Prophecy of the Popes (St. Malachy) According to him, there were only going to be 112 more Popes left....and Pope Frances was the 112th. Yall know how I feel about religion though, lol.

Troy I'm not sure about "overnight" but it's commonly believed that just one term (4 years) as President of the Unted States ages people by atleast a decade. Look at Bill Clinton, Bush (either one), or Obama BEFORE they become POTUS and afterwards and you'll see far more grey and wrinkles on them than the average person gains in a mere 4 years.

Like expecting ME to have the same faith in stats and figures that YOU do. That would indeed be a waste of time because I wasn't trained to ignore common sense.

Delano I didn't see any "invitation" with your name on it in the title or opening post anyway....lol You found your way in, so if you like you can find your way out.

There's a Prophecy....or several...that he was supposed to the LAST Pope! After him, the destruction comes.