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Kareem I believe our souls pissed off "the gods" at some point and we were all banished to this world of feral Edomites. Hmmm..... Very interesting concept. All of what you said was deep but that sentence grabbed my attention because whether it's true or false it offers itself as an explaination. Could you expound on it a little (actually a lot) more and more specifically if you care to speculate as to what our people may have done in the past that their souls may have angered the Divine. And if what you say is indeed true, wouldn't that make Caucasians and their system on this planet the "tools" and institution of the Divine designed to punish? Much like a prison is an institution of the government and you would be better off blaming the officer who arrested you or judge who sentenced you more so than the warden and correctional officers who are doing what they were authorized to do by higher authority. This isn't a "set up" by the way.... but sincere curiousity.....so be at ease and go as deep as you like.

Lol, Harry, Harry, Harry......... This reminds me of the late great Dr. Khalid Muhammad and how he taught on the brainwashing that so many AfroAmericans underwent with the images of white Jesus and white angels. He would say a Black man sentenced to prison would get on his knees and pray, "Oh lawwwd....they done gave me 20 years! Please please PLEASE save me from this!" But in your mind while you're praying you're imaging Jesus as a blonde haired blue eyed cra white man (wasn't his exact words...lol) who looks JUST like the cra white man who gave you the damn 20 years! How are you gonna get free? How in the HELL are you gonna get free calling on a god who looks just like the damn devil who is torturing you????

Deeeeyyyyyyum....... Is this the SAME seemingly corny white-washed Byron Allen we've been watching on telvision for decades, now talking this radically about race, corporate racism, and Black empowerment.....or did I get it twisted and this is really Harry Allen from Public Enemy?

Troy I wouldn't say "white people" in general but the White Establishment.....the wealthy influencial group of Caucasians who control much of this society.....are using multiple methods INCLUDING funding BLM to promote HOMO (not hemo which has to do with blood) philia in the AfroAmerican community and make it more acceptable to the masses. I'm not sure if they are funding Yvette for this or even funding her at all, but they ARE funding BLM for this very reason.

Troy Some people are crediting Bloomberg for the city's decline in crime but for years I heard that Guiliani actually deserved the credit because it started declining under his administration. I heard it was Guiliani's policy of going after people for petty shit like smashing windows, littering, and unsolicited car winshield washing and coming down hard on them as a form of intimidation and nipping criminality in the bud before they became more serious. But if you and many of the other AfroAmericans who are old enough to remember NYC of the 80s and 90s compared to today all pretty much saying the same thing......that crime HAS declined......then regardless as to who deserves the credit (or "blame" depending where you stand), in my opinion this raises questions as how much civil rights violations and outright racism by law enforcement is the public willing to tolerate in exchange for a safer city . 　 Kareem and Troy Not sure about Tulsi, I haven't followed her much BUT I have to admit that I just might get behind Patrick! Look, the brother IS....unlike Obama....ADOS all the way. Born and raised in Chicago from a single mother and ended up Governor of Massachussets. He's not perfect, but from the little bit I've researched on him he's got a lot more potential for our success than anyone else running currently. He (Deval Patrick) allegedly has a lesbian daughter so we already know the LGBTQIA has a seat at the table...lol.....but I'm gonna have to just charge that shit to the game and see what we can get out of this brother. A second term for Trump is way too destructive to play with. If you think he's bad now, imagine him if he beat the case without removal AND got re-elected! He'd take that as a sure message to go straight buck wild. When it comes to 45 it's not a matter of voting for the lesser of two evils, but deciding between someone who is indifferent to our concerns and someone who is down right diabolical. Nah, we can't sit this one out. Like Vera said in Harlem Nights, we ALL about to be some fighting m......f......z!

Kareem That public between feud between he and Umar Johnson was the first warning sign. They both CHILDISHLY attacked one another on social media because each exposed the other's hustle. Now this feud with Tariq vs. Antonio and Yvette is really getting sad. I couldn't have agreed with you more on the Tariq/Umar beef. It was not only embarassing but just down right disappointing. I was far more disappointed at those two brothers going at it than I was over the alleged Eastcoast/Westcoast feud because I expected that type of ignorance and bravado coming from rappers and street cats, but not from brothers who considered themselves "conscious" and woke. But I believe it was either Lenon Honor or Willie D was speaking on the issue and said to let people beef and pop off because the more they do so the more they expose things about their opponents the public may not have known and probably need to and the more THEY reveal about themselves as well. I now know how sensitive to all criticizm and petty (even he admits to this) Tariq is because of his feuds with others and I also know how egotistical and sensitive to criticizm Umar is also as well how ghetto and street he can become when angered as was revealed with his brief feud with Seti. 　 Agreed and with the powerless, puppet liberal negroes. I think Tariq is damaging his image big-time over the last week with this ADOS vs. FBA stuff. I know the black masses are DESPERATE for leadership so we give people a lot of leeway. But judging from comments on his Twitter and Youtube feeds, he's losing support for pettiness. But then again, the ADOS organization is also losing credibility in lieu of #ADOS our people. Nothing to say but touche. As much as I support the brother, I can't defend Tariq's behavior in this case because his feud with Tone is totally unnecessary. If I may offer ANY kind of defense, I would say that Tariq's criticism of #ADOS leadership is coming from a strategic point of view where he felt.....as Neely Fuller Jr teaches...that once you label yourself an organization with leaders (Tone and Yvette) you are now targeted by the establishment therefore they should remain low key.......but HE'S not following his own advise by jumping off the FBA movement, lol. Troy What is the agenda white are using Blacklivesmatter and yvette to promote? Institutionalizing homophilia as part of AfroAmerican culture. I'm not sure if Yvette Carnell is actually being used by the establishment but she is an open lesbian with a Caucasian girlfriend so I don't think she's the best person to promote "traditonal" AfroAmerican values or promote ADOS culture. However BLM was established to aggressively promote homophilia in the AfroAmerican community on the street level by incorporating local activists into the movement and forcing them to agree with the "gay agenda" for funding.

Kareem Is it possible that a relatively healthy 20 something year old woman could have a heart attack from losing a family member? I suppose it IS in the realm of possiblity. However we have people from the Middle East, inner city ghettos, and war zones all around the world where people have seen their entire families slaughtered....not just on tape.....but INFRONT of them and as distressing as it is most of them don't die of heart attacks. But perhaps as you said she decided to leave this world on her own terms (bordering on suicide?) OR perhaps her father felt her grief and pulled her out of here. What you said was very philosophical in that I've often considered whether this world of Caucasian domination (I'm trying to move away from the term "white supremacy") we were born into was meant to be a challenge to "go through" or one for us to "overcome" and defeat.

Troy Ofcourse I read the document...or what was left of it. It's been so heavily redacted it's hard to come to any definate or substantial conclusions based on this memo alone but clearly it outlines a persistent and evidently successful on some level attempt by various "white supremist" organizations to infiltrate law enforcement agencies around the nation. All of the behavior we've seen from Caucasian officers lately points to a DE FACTO infiltration whether or not officials have admitted this in writing. Kareem Don't forget Erica Garner! Eric Garner's daughter who allegedly died of a "heart attack" at only 27.

Troy So you are saying that the masses relate more to Iron Mike than to MLK? Do you? I don't. No, because I personally respect and admire intelligence and charisma OVER mere brute aggression and bravado, although I've had to use both to get things done in the community. However, I believe the masses of young urban AfroAmerican males...definately relate more to Iron Mike than they do Martin Luther "Da" King. I don't know of any young AfroAmericans who don't have a measure of honor for King and what he's done, even those who call him a "sell out" will readily acknowledge his intelligence and love for his people despite criticizing his methods. But as far as who is considered more "relatable", Tyson would win. How many people PERIOD let alone poor urban AfroAmerican men can relate to a well educated social activist and high-achiever with a doctorate (besides maybe you)? Most will see someone like that far and above their reach to relate to. But a Black man from the hood who grew up running from the police, fighting, and getting in trouble and despite his limited intellect and limited vocabulary doesn't hesitate to speak his mind and stand up for himself.....the masses of young AfroAmerican males definately admire those qualities and feel they can emulate and achieve them. Kareem I mean, more black youth love Tariq Nasheed vs. Antonio Moore these days because the previous is more assertive and blunt. But I also notice a trend towards the Roland Martin/Van Jones types getting all the white press and love in 2019--thus making young black men believe being a soft, liberal effeminate is the path to $$, with dignity and pride distant third and fourth wants/needs. What you said about Tariq vs Antonio is absolutely true and on top of his assertiveness, Tariq has far more charisma which is always a plus when dealing with people. I've only listened to Antonio a few times so far and he's usually with Yvette. Maybe it's because he's a lawyer but he seems more scholarly...which I personally like.....but this also makes you less relatable to the masses of urban youth. As far as Roland Martin and Jones........ On top of being complacent and only mildly critical of White Supremacy, a major problem with these men is that they simply have no following. They....like Al Sharpton....are basically negroes who have a lot to say, but don't have enough power from the streets or from the masses of AfroAmericans at any level to really get things done. If Tariq came out next week and said niccaz need to get down to Houston Texas and turn that city upside down.....it would happen. If Minister Farrakhan said the same thing...you KNOW it would happen. If Roland or Jones were to say something like that (I know...never) not only would their call get no response but it would probably backfire on them and people would assume they were just agents trying to provoke them into trouble. They are what Neely Fuller Jr calls "Black spokespersons". A slave or prisoner who can articulate their condition better than the average slave/prisoner, but still have no power to change it.

Hmmm, I wonder is Charles Blow any kin to Curtis....lol. Anyway...... Troy I keep hearing...mostly from Caucasians....how safe New York (I wonder do they mean just Manhattan?) has gotten over the past 15 years or so because of "stop and frisk". Based on what you observed , is there any truth to this? Based on your obviously limited observation if we were to compare the crime in New York before "stop and frisk" to the crime 10 or 15 years after it was implimented, would we see a remarkable difference for the better?

Troy Thanks I was concerned for a second or two...lol. 　 Kareem Both Tupac and Tyson were great at their professions. Tupac may not have been the "best" rapper, but in my opinion he was an excellent lyricist despite the content of his lyrics. But the point I was making with them as examples was that BOTH were morally depraved (not the right word) disoriented, constantly in and out of trouble for violent and socially disruptive behavior, and incidently both ended up in prison for allegedly rape. And despite this moral disorientation they were highly acclaimed in the AfroAmerican community and especially among many AfroAmerican males for their boldness and unapologetic expression of "urban masculinity". My point in bringing up King and Abernathy was to draw an analogy between them and the Malcolms and Huey Newtons of that time and how their apparently "softness" made them less popular with young AfroAmerican males the same way the apparent "softeness" of Hammer and Smith made them less popular than Ice Cube or Tupac who were considered more criminal and harder. Despite their profession.....Civil Rights Activist or Professional Entertainer....my point is that the masses of AfroAmerican males will relate more to the bolder, more masculine, "harder" figure and not the more reserved one because the bolder figures are more likely to express the suppresses frustrations of the masses.

This information has been out for over a decade; since the Obama Administration. He and his Attorney Generals apparently didn't do anything about it which in my opinion is even MORE negligent than Bush's ignoring of the intelligence memorandum that foretold 9/11. The actual FBI memo: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3439212-FBI-White-Supremacist-Infiltration-of-Law.html

Troy Glad to see the site is back up and running! What happend? Kareem Good for you keeping our traditions alive by teaching them to our youth. Hell, if Americans of German ancestry can keep THEIR traditions alive teaching their young people how to dance around in shorts and suspenders....we should be keeping OUR much more creative and colorful traditions alive in our youth. I've said for years that we should have a "hip hop" school and teach our youth how to Break Dance since it's one of that most fascinating dances we've come up with so far and has universal appeal. Tupac....... Many AfroAmerican youth liked and still like Tupac because they can relate to him. People like celebrities they can relate to whether or not that relationship is based on healthy or pathological characteristics. And they also liked his boldness and "bravado". Gangsta rappers like Tupac had a way of expressing the way many angry young Black men felt but were unable to express or act out for fear of the consequences. Again, many of these feelings may be pathological and just plain illogical.....but they still related to them. It's funny that Troy mentioned Curtis Mayfield. Starting around the early to mid 70s with Superfly and the like, unlike most other communities who are rampant with crime but still believe in putting on an innocent face in public....for some reason a significant percentage of AfroAmerican society began to OPENLY embrace criminality and immorality and that percentage has continued to increase right up until today not caring how they looked to other peoples. Before then.... The standard for whether or not you were a real "man" and down for your peoples used to be how bold you stood up to White racism and challenged the system.....but in the 70s it was replaced by how bold you were in breaking the law and engaging in a life of crime and kill another "nigga". So just like Malik Shabazz (Malcolm X), Kwame Ture (Stokely Carmichael), and Jamil Al-Amin (H Rap Brown) were popular with the youth of their era for how bold they were in challenging the white racist system....it would logically follow that Tupac, NWA, Mike Tyson, and other famous Black figures who boldly bragged about being criminals, killing "niggaz", and just being plain immoral would be popular with the youth of their era. And following that logic even further........ Just like King and Abernathy were clowned on for being too soft on racism, rappers like Will Smith and Hammer would be clowned by many of the youth in their era for not being "gangsta" or criminal enough! With that said, with all of his faults do think Tupac was very charismatic and had more sense than he let on which is one of the reasons I quote him from time to time. He had a lot of potential, but he was morally disoriented and in many ways a victim of the very system his mother spent much of HER youth fighting.

She wasn't killed by a police officer. She was killed by a RACE SOLDIER who was simply posing as a police officer. There's a difference. The FBI said years ago that local police departments were being infiltrated by these race soldiers, but what type of action was taken to purge them out?

Troy You're mixing up apples with oranges with cauliflower with zuccini....lol. Making a lot of hopeful statements but they aren't jibing with the facts we know from history. Racism will not "die out" as long as Caucasians exist with other races because the sociological and psychological differences between the races that are based on the GENETIC and BIOLOGICAL differences between those races will....as it has in the past....FORCE conflict between the races that fuel racism.

Troy this sounds wrong, historically inaccurate, on its face. I'm not sure how it "sounds" but I've answered your previous questions with references. EXACTLY what parts of my statements do you find inaccurate? Perhaps a Biblical historical scholar like @Chevdove can lend a hand. Lol, perhaps...but what impact would a biblical historical scholar have on someone who doesn't believe in the bible? Do YOU believe in the Bible and it's historical claims?

Troy Our politicians have utterly failed us on this one In order for politicians "fail" us, their GOAL would have to had to involve us in the first place....which I don't believe was the case. I believe the goal of most politicians were/are to help and do the bidding for Amazon, big pharma, and other major corporations and institutions. As long as they have achieved that goal they have not failed, nor have thei failed us because we weren't the goal anyway. I think expecting or even believing that this current government can or will stop Amazon will only take you further down the rabbit hole. Don't even expect them to. Hell, the government is the reason they even EXIST in the first place because the government enabled them to grow to "too big to fail" status. Only the PEOPLE collectively can (if they choose....because many of them have no desire to) stop these mega corporations.

Troy Where does all the activity in the Bible actually take place? Are you familiar with Osiris, Isis, and Horus the principles in the Egyptian create story? Christianity borrows quite liberally from this.., Where the events of the Bible took place is irrelevant in terms of establishing where the religion of Christianity was founded. The first "republics" took place in Italy but that fact has little relevance on the events taking place in THIS Republic thousands of miles away and thousands of years afterwards called the United States. Also, although I'm familiar with the Osiris and Isis myth....I have reason to believe that this myth did not originate in ancient Egypt. Never the less, the fact is Christianity did NOT start in Africa regardless as to how many bits and pieces of African philosophy and mythology they may have used to make-up the religion. It's foundations are in Europe/West Asia. 　 What technology would that be? It would take Europeans several millennia to build anything on the scale of the Pyraminds They didn't need pyramids and oblisks.....all they needed to conquer much of Africa and colonize it was their guns, cannons, armored horses, ect... That technology alone was enough to get the job done. 　 Yes, but all of these people are "white," using your language. In my language they would be "Caucasian".....lol. YOU are fond of using the term "White" which is why I use it for discussion purposes, but in reality most of the people called "White" vary in color from pale White to Tan. Also, although the people Hitler persecuted were pretty much all of the same race (although there were some African and Asian victims), they were still percecuted for RACIST reasons because Hitler and the Nazis thought these fellow Caucasians had too much "African" ancestry in them. Infact, it was the Caucasians of Germany and Austria who LOOKED White but were suspected of having African ancestry from long long ago like the Yiddish, the Slavic, the Gypsies, ect...... that the Nazi's were MOST worried about because you couldn't look at them and tell they had any African in them but they believed it was "hiding" in their genes and would be spread through sexual relationships. Their ideaology was twisted, but they believed in it very strongly. Do you think Jeff Bezos is motivated more by money (and the power it brings) or race? I believe he's motivated more by power and money. Just because someone is a racist, doesn't mean it's the MOST important thing in their life. John Wayne was a racist, but I believe he cared more about his Hollywood career than keeping the races separated.

Troy who is Musa anyway As far as I know, "Musa" is the real name of the Egyptian priest/prophet who was sent from ancient Egypt (Kemet) up to the Caucasus mountains to civilize the wild tribes that dwelled there. The Jewish myth of "Moses" was based loosely on the mission of Musa. The Greek myths of "Muses" and "Musaeus" were based loosely on the mission of Musa also. You should read a book by Sigmund Freud called "Moses and Monotheism".

The World Is Rated X -Marvin Gaye After all these years of listening to Marvin, I discovered this shit a few months ago and can't get enough of that song. Been playing it over and over again. Maurice You mentioned Funkadelic....Cosmic Slop is the shit!

Troy Why would these regions make Africans hate themselves? Both religions stared in Africa. Besides whats does this have do with race? Well Christianity DEFINATELY didn't start in Africa, it started near the Caucasus mountains in and area known as TURKEY today. As far as Islam, as an organized religion it's origins are in Arabia but I know you consider that part of Africa so there's no sense in arguing with you over that one....lol. But the religious scriptures sub-consciously influence Africans to hate themselves and love Caucasians with scriptures that use terms like "light" and "white" for good and clean and pure and "dark" and "black" for that which is bad. Also, the Europeans and Arabs who came to many of these African nations came with higher technology and more knowledge which made many of the Africans WANT to associate with them and imitate them in order to "improve" their status and set themselves apart from the other Africans. You see this in Sudan today and how the Africans who call themselves "Arab" think they're better than and make war against the "non-Arab" Africans although both look the same. Or in other African nations where the Christian Africans who are educated by Europeans and went to school in the West think they're better than the so-called "pagan" Africans who still follow their traditional religions and cultures. It's realy self-hatred and an attempt to be more and more like the European and Arab and less like their own African selves, so to show how loyal they are they will even go as far as to enslave and help kill other Africans like they're doing in Sudan and some other parts of Africa today. 　 　 So the germans were putting each other in gas chambers to rule over darker people? You are over-simplifying it by saying "germans" were doing this to eachother. That's like pointing at Michael Brown being shot down in Ferguson and asking why were the people protesting just because "Americans" are shooting eachother down in the streets instead of acknowledging a racist Caucasian America shot down an innocent Afro American which would be more specific. In Germany, these were a very narrow SELECT group of WASP Germans who were targetting Jews, Gypsies, and Slavic Germans who THEY claim had non-white ancestry and they were doing it for RACIAL reasons. They were doing it to get rid of what they thought was "black blood" tainting the German nation. So yes, they were doing it to rule over darker people but in a more indirect way. So you are saying king Hammurabi was a white? Still black Africanscwere to first people to establish any form to civilization far longer than any white civilization. I'm not sure what race/color Hammurabi was. The first civilization of Sumeria was a Black civilization before the Caucasian Akkadians came down from the mountains and established what would later be called Babylon. Where Hammurabi fit in with this....I'm not sure. Do you think America the world's most piwerful nation will reign supreme for another 1,000 years if not who will take over ... france? I believe so, yes. Infact, I believe the nation "America" will rule far longer than 1000 years. ....but that's all I'll say about that for now, lol.

Troy White people here made it a above -- even going as far as enslaving their own children born of enslaved women. Because you refuse to see the paramount factor that RACE plays in slavery, you're not seeing the fact that the reason they could enslave their "own" children is because they were NOT WHITE like them.....so they felt it was justified. If it weren't about race and were instead about money, morals, ect....then they would have treated their mixed offspring as most fathers would treat their children. But the non-White status of these children prevented them from doing that in that RACE-based institution. If course you know Bkack peolle henefited from the transatlantic skave trade too. Was there motivation race too? Yes. Racial self-hatred. You must understand that many of the Africans who sold other Africans into slavery were adherants to Christianity and Islam. They were already influenced by the anti-African Europeans and Arabs who taught them these religions. Kind of like what's going on in Sudan today where you have one group of Africans mistreating and enslaving another group because of racism. One group of Africans think they are Arabs and are oppressing the Africans who aren't for racist reasons. 　 Further, European "dominance" is just a flash in the pan on the scale of world civilization. Consider the British Empire; how long did their rain last? Compare that to any ancient African civilization. If you view things in perspective and within a historical context you could not continue to be so fixated on race as the sole motivator for people -- including luding so called white ones. Troy, when you look at most of history (his-story) you're just looking at one Caucasian civilization replacing the other. The original Black civilization of Sumer was replaced by the Babylonian Caucasian empire which was replaced by the Persian Caucasian empire which was replaced by the Greek Caucasian Empire which was replaced by the Roman Caucasian empire which was replaced by Caucasians who converted to Christianity. The Aryan Caucasians came down and invaded India and displaced the Black Dravidians but the British Caucasians eventually overan the Aryan Caucasians and colonized India.....lol. The British Caucasians conquered and took land from the Native Americans and put some British people here but eventually THOSE Caucasians didn't want the British Caucasians telling them what to do anymore so they fought the British and established the United States so THEY could start telling other people what to do....lol. Man....just one group of Caucasians fighting ANOTHER over who's gonna rule the world. Even the so-called World Wars and "Cold War" were about which group of Caucasians were going to rule over the darker world.

Troy Musa was the motivation of the muses from greek mythology and he also invented Musak that we listen in elevators .....trying to be funny, you're actually correct. Musa IS where we get the word "music" from. According to Webster's dictionary..... 　 https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/music 　 Also, if my statements seem contrived then me and the ancient Greeks must have conspired together to make them up..... http://www.faculty.umb.edu/gary_zabel/Courses/Phil%20281b/Philosophy%20of%20Magic/Pythagoras,%20Empedocles,%20Plato/Orpheus%20and%20Musaeus.htm 　 Here we have a man named "Musaios" who was of the "Muses". Who was greatly respected and also was said by the Greeks to produce "ancient oracles" or words of wisdom. 　 　 https://www.bible-history.com/links.php?cat=48&sub=4255&cat_name=People+-+Ancient+Greece&subcat_name=Musaeus Now the same man is called Musaeus OR Musaios (Musa stays in the name) who was called a PRIEST as well as a PROPHET and MUSICIAN (music) among other things! Musaeus....Musa.....prophet = MOSES. Anyway you slice it, MUSA (Moses, Musaeus, Mosaios) was the prophet responsible for uplifting and inspiring the Caucasians who later became known as Greeks.

Kareem California was an open-carry state until 1967 when former GOP god before Trump, Ronald Reagan, signed the Mulford Act into law as governor, banning open carry. He had the full backing of the NRA. He did so specifically to disarm the Black Panther Party of Self-Defense and stop their armed Copwatch patrol and stop them from walking around with their guns. On top of what you said, it's also my understanding that what really pushed him for this action was the Panthers storming the California legislative assembly.

Chev Today a museum is just a place to go and see art work, but the original "libraries" and "universities" of Western civilization were actually called MUSEUMS. Museums started off as places of knowledge in Kemet and perhaps (though I'm not sure) some other ancient Black lands where intelligent Caucasians were taken for further education after they had been civilized. There may have even been some built in ancient Greece. These places were named "museums" in honor of "Musa" (the real name of Moses) who was sent up to the Caucasus to civilize them. Moses is just a Greek rendering of Musa. Even today, artists whether musicians, painters, sculptors, ect.....they claim to be inspired by a MUSE. A muse is just a mythological being that was inspired by the REAL "muse" who was Musa (Moses) their inspiration and law giver.