Pioneer1

Chev people from AFrica do not really say that much about their homeland, at least not to me Probably because you don't pry it out of them like I do, lol. When I meet Africans, I usually try to pry as much information out of them as I can as well as give them a REAL history of the AfroAmerican experience. Troy I was in Belgium. My razor wasn't that old, maybe only a couple years. I'm not sure what the voltage was but I know the plug fit the outlet just fine and it worked just fine for the first couple minutes....then all of a sudden: ZZZZZZZZZZZRRRRRRRR...the shit stopped, lol. I ran around the hotel with half a beard until I got to the front desk to complain and they explained to me what may have happened. As far as procreating as soon as one's hunger is satisfied....... It seems like a serious issue of SHORT TERM thinking. Maybe the idea of a government LIMITING births to only one child per family (if that) until the nation or atleast the community is able to ADEQUATELY support it's population isn't such a bad idea. If people aren't responsible enough to do it themselves, perhaps they need some sort of superior law that compels them to for their own good. I suspect that more so than human nature being at play here, it's more of an issue of CULTURE. Many cultures believe that they were put on the planet to have as many children as they possibly can with little regard as to how they'll b able to take care of them. Other cultures believe you should have as many children as you possibly can to help with farming and care giving.

First of all I don't support people who tell lies ON The Supreme Being nor do I support people telling lies in the NAME OF The Supreme Being.....I want to get that straight. However for the sake of a nice discussion................... Who's to say that many of these wealthy preachers AREN'T being blessed as they claim? If you....as an individual...are making a good living dressing up in fine clothes every day, ride around in expensive cars, live in mansions, and get people from all over the world to send you millions of dollars a year doing what you love to do -is that not a blessing? You are blessed with money, smarts, and probably a lot of charisma. What would it look like for you to run around preaching the gospel and you're broke and homeless on the street and have to beg for a meal half the time?

Troy I'm not sure why the comsuner product companies take unnecessary risks, like this, with their advertising. Gillette is a business, and if their objective is to make money and those who are promoting the normalization of sexual perversion is paying them HUGE amounts of money to promote it in their advertising...then it's not much of a risk. They are actually following sound business practice by doing what makes them money. Infact, the money being given to them by those promoting this nonsense is probably more than what they'd get from those who would be turned off by it. Neely Fuller Jr. said that the White Supremacists are very powerful and wealthy and they'll spend tons of money to push their agendas. Look at how much money they put into "gangsta rap". He also says that one of the tricks of White Supremacy is to sexually CONFUSE Black people and have them confused about who is a man, who is a woman, and what their purposes are. So the idea that White Supremacists both outside of Gillette as well as those working for Gillete would spend millions of dollars to push the image of a Black "transgender" around the world wouldn't be far fetched if it's part of their agenda to cause mass confusion.

Troy The larger majority of Black people seem to be lactose intolerant while the large majority of White people do not seem to be. There must be a genetic reason for this. I'm not sure about Native Americans or East Asians but I haven't heard of their traditional cultures involving milk or other dairy products in their traditional diets. I thought Sylvia's was supposed to be "the spot" in Harlem....lol. I haven't actually eaten there. I was about to years ago but the line was so long it was all the way outside and I had a plane to catch so I just skipped it. Del Where's the Soul in a Black community? It WAS in the poverty and struggle. Historically speaking, the most tight knit and FLAVORFUL communities are those with a high level of poverty (NOT destitution) and working class populations densely packed together. No matter where you go on the planet despite the nation, this type of grind FORCES people in the community to be creative and cooperate with eachother and this is where you'll find the best music and the best food. I didn't grow up in poverty but the neighborhood I grew up in had FLAVOR. It had CHARACTERS in it kind of like Fat Albert and his gang.....lol. Dudes with buck-teeth, boys who stuttered, old women who'd sit on the porch all day and watch everything that went on on the block, and loud music playing from people's houses. As boys we used to "come get" eachother and MAKE you leave the house unless you were "on punishment" (something you rarely hear today). You drive down most Black neighborhoods today and you don't see too much of that.

Chev 　 I don't know @Pioneer1 but, I think that this is a bigger picture than what we are seeing over here in America. I do agree that we have to blame ourselves for this but also, the Colonial Movement has a lot to play in what has happened in Africa. How can people be so famished over there when the massive TRADE EXPEDITIONS have taken place over there? Africa is in the sun belt and for this reason, it has produced a wealth of substance. It is like the bread basket for the world. So, if African people have been duped into being 'a third world' class, this is a serious paradox. You're right, we who haven't been there don't really KNOW what's going on in Africa. Most of the information we're getting from the media has a racial and political bias to it. And even when you get information directly from the people who are FROM there, they seem to withhold certain information. Just like when I went to Europe years ago...... All of the movies I saw about Europe. All of the books I read. All the research I did. All the people I talked to FROM there as well as the people who visited there. ....and there STILL were many things that were left out and I didn't find out until I actually WENT there myself and was witness to it. For example, I didn't realize that in Europe they use a different type of electricity than they do in America and you need an adaptor! I didn't find out until I was shaving and it ruined my electric razor!!!!!!! No one told me this or even talked about it until AFTER I came back. And there were many other instances. So my point is, despite what all the "experts" say and all the different varying and often contradictory information we get from people who are from there.....untill we can really go there and see for ourselves what's going on we really don't know. Troy It is just human nature. We are genetically wired to have sex and procreate. Our very survival as a species demands that we do this. They must not be hungry enough then; because when I'm really hungry I don't even think about sex...lol. If I were very wealthy, I'd defintely adopt some Black boys. It's funny you say that. Me......for some reason I thought it would be cool to have just a few boys (maybe two just incase the oldest turns out to be a "Fredo Corleone" type....lol) but a LOT of daughters who I would spoil like princesses. But I really do think more wealthy AfroAmericans should adopt Black children (and maybe even Asian and brown skinned Latino children) and bring them back to America. Besides it just being the right thing to do, it would definately help our image abroad.

Speak of the devil....... While we were discussing Black women being encouraged to be BOTH masculine and lesbian, while waiting on a response I left the site for a minute to check up on some news and ran across THIS article: New Gillette ad shows dad giving transgender son a lesson on shaving In a first, the men's grooming brand featured a Canadian artist and his father sharing a first shave moment https://thegrio.com/2019/05/27/gilette-ad-transgender-shaving/

Troy I know you don't believe in the concept of race, but what I've found out years ago was that we as people of African descent CAN NOT eat everything Whites and East Asians eat. Many East Asians can eat just one bowl of rice with a few pickles slices in it and work all damn day. I've worked with White people who live off of ramen noodles and Monster energy drinks AND drink every night and still show up to work on time, do their jobs, and even think straight enough to practice racism. I don't know of any AfroAmerican who can live that same lifestyle without getting sick. I'm not sure what these other people are made out of but our people can't eat like them and get the same results. Our people need fruits and vegetables and lean meat to stay healthy and think properly.

OK, here's a clip of Neely Fuller Jr. making his assertion and although he doesn't use the term "lesbian" but rather uses the term "masculine" he's clearly talking about sexual relationships between the women:

Troy I'm going to have to go over some of the videos I have of Mr. Fuller where he says this exactly and post it here, but he DID say this. Don't say it's "crazy", because 50 years ago the idea that those in government would flood the AfroAmerican community with drugs to destabilize it would sound "crazy" to some people also! 　 OK, I apologize for the confusion so let me first answer your questions and then see if I can clarify my position a bit............... What does "masculine woman" mean? A woman who ACTS like a man in terms of her thinking and behavior. The way she walks, sits, uses her hands when she talks, body language, ect...... A physically fit women, one with close cropped hair, what? No, there are plenty of physically fit women with short hair but are still feminine. You can look at female athletes with short hair and still recognize they're feminine women. A masculine woman is simply a woman who ACTS like a man in terms of thinking and how she carries herself whether she's in shape or not or whether her hair is long or not but USUALLY I've noticed that masculine women tend to where their hair short. Who is collecting data on the rate of "masculine women" applying to West Point -- and what does any of the have to do with being lesbian?! I don't know who's collecting the data or if ANYONE is. But if people are collecting data on West Point cadets based on race and sex, who's to say they aren't doing it based on sexual orientation too....especially since it currently allowed in the military. And it has nothing to do with them being a lesbian because a MASCULINE woman is different than a LESBIAN woman.....although some women are both. A lesbian women simply means a woman who finds other women sexually attractive. It's about who she wants to have sex with, it has nothing to do with how she thinks or carries herself. But AMONG Lesbians you have femmes (those who act like women) and bull daggers (those who act like men). Just like among HETEROSEXUAL women you have women who act feminine like women and those who act like Tom Boys and carry themselves like men.....but still find men attractive. You're dealing with 3 different concepts: 1. Sex 2. Gender 3. Sexual Orientation All 3 often mix and cross with eachother.

Troy No, I'm not saying that a woman is a lesbian simply because she wants to become a soldier or officer......although those professions DO tend to attract masculine type women. I'm just saying the fact that Black women military officers are being praised and promoted above other demographic groups who are just as noticeably absent in those profession is a little suspect and seems to lend support to Mr. Fuller's theory.

Their history is very interesting........ The Sicilians and Southern Italians were dark skinned with Arab and African feature from their Moorish ancestry and were heavily discriminated against back in Italy from the whiter Northern Italians. Infact, this discrimination was is one of the reasons they formed the Cosa Nostra (Mafia) centuries ago.....to protect themselves from being exploited by the white Italians who controled the government. It was mostly the dark Italians from Sicily and southern Italy who came to America because they were catching so much hell in Italy. Today they're all mixed up and most of them had so many children with non-Italians that most of them look like other White people, but you still see some Italians with dark skin and kinky hair.

Chev I always wondered why more wealthy Black people didn't paricipate in the adoption process. I'm not a millionaire or billionaire (yet) but it seems to me that if I had hundreds of millions of dollars, an intelligent wife, and a nice big home I'd have enough resources to adopt atleast ONE child from an African village. No wonder so many Africans treat AfroAmericans the way they do when they come here. Hell, if you don't care enough about your own people that White folks have to go over there and atleast PRETEND to care about them and bring them back here and give them a good life.....why shouldn't they love White folks and see THEM as more like family than you? But then again, perhaps more African families should consider intelligent family planning themselves. I know many of the commercials we see on television about starving African children with flies flying around their faces is a bunch of bullshit meant to scam money from people but there probably IS some truth about poverty, famine, and drought plaguing some communities. If you're living in a society where people are starving and too poor to afford basic necessities like food, clothing, medical care, ect.....why are you still having children? It seems to be almost a lack of common sense. It's one thing to be a victim of a drought, you only have so much control over nature. But if there's a drought and a famine where you and your family can barely survive....why would you bring MORE children into the world without resources to support them only for them to suffer and die? I wouldn't blame nature, I'd blame YOU for being so irresponsible and inconsiderate. I suppose a time has to come when we hold our own people responsible for a lot of the shit they end up in.

Troy You have a lot more experience in the arean Pioneer, so I can't weigh in with much experience. I thought we were talking about SITES....not sex, lol. I'm looking for other Black owned forums, but I have not any with much action  You may think this is ridiculous but I really believe that the decline in activity is due mostly to the collective intellectual decline of the AfroAmerican community over the past 20 years. Social media is mostly about emotion. Fights, beefing, posturing, showing off, sexual stimulation.....basic shit that any 7th or 8th grader would be interested in. Very little interest in subjects that would provide intellectual stimulation like literature or politics. And even if there IS intelligent discussion on SM, how long does it take for that dialog to devolve into insults, name, calling, and eventually threats? SM isn't even DESIGNED for intelligent dialog. Instagram Twitter and those little chat room comment sections on the side are for people with straight up ADD who can't keep their emotions stable. It's designed for people to just BLURT OUT the first thing that pops into thier heads...lol. A lot of times, Black people with IQ's over 90 end up going to White sites just to have intelligent dialog about subjects they find interesting because they can't find Black sites with enough people who share their interests.

One of my favorite Soul Food joints when I lived in Motown was STEVE'S Soul food. They have a bunch of spots today but this is the original one and the one I had been going to since I was a kid. Another one I like was Beans And Cornbread...... This is there newest restaurant they opened up in the suburbs right outside the city. These cats had....like.....15 different types of cornbread....LOL. I used to go there just for the fried catfish and corn bread alone. They call this restaurant a "bistro" and try to play to the more "buppie" type crowd of Southfield. But worse, was that the owner later soled this restaurant to Orientals and eventually, the food was terrible. I stopped going because the last time I went, I ended up getting sick and had to go to the emergency room! And, although it may not have been the food from the restaurant that made me sick, the food looked bad imo. Lol @ "orientals". I haven't heard that term in a while. I'm glad you got better but it's interesting that you mentioned getting sick because on my way home I stopped and got some Chinese food and paid for it but on my way out the door I heard one of the cook coughing and harking up real hard and spitting. If I could hear it all the way in the front lobby you KNOW it had to be hard....lol. I took that food out of the restaurant and THREW that shit away into the first trash can I saw and drove on home...lol. Some of these people who come from other cultures are nasty as hell. Now speaking of Orieintals and Soul Food....... Chinese tend to eat a LOT of pork products and I remember a few Chinese people used to come into a Soul Food restaurants in the hood (not one of those pictured) just to get pig's feet and chitterlings! And like you said I also noticed how Whole Foods seems to have a lot of what we would traditionally call "soul food" in their hot foods buffet selection. I haven't been to a Whole Foods in a minute but I remember they routinely had things like macaroni and cheese, yams, collard greens, corn bread, black eyed peas!!! This is pretty much SOUL FOOD being served in a wealthy white store. Another thing that I found interesting about Whole Foods is the fact that you can walk around drinking liquor while you shop....lol. It's a damn shame so many OTHER people have to serve the public traditional AfroAmerican food because so many of our people are so LAZY and STUPID (I'm sorry but somebody's got to say it!) that they can't even cook for themselves anymore and other people come in and take advantage of the opportunity. Girl how in the WORLD did you manage to create a thread that invoked hunger, nostalgia, happiness, and anger in me all within a 5 minute time period???

Neely Fuller Jr. talked about this years ago and apparently he NAILED it. He said that part of the reason they're (incase anyone's wondering who "they" are they're the racists) trying to cause gender confusion among AfroAmericans is to turn Black women into lesbians and use them as soldiers. I don't think anything he says sounds "ridiculous" because of how wise he is, but I must admit I thought it was a bit of a stretch UNTIL I saw this article this morning on a news site. You notice they're not hyping Latina women, Asian women, or Arab women the way they're singling out and hyping Black women and noticably leaving the Black men OUT of the picture.....literally in this case. There's a reason for this.

The Dogon of Mali were extremely accurate with their astronomical science. You know they, along with the Ibo (from where we get Hebrew) people of Nigeria actually trace their ancestry back to ancient Egypt. Infact, I believe most African "tribes" can eventually trace their origins back to ancient Egypt and Ethiopia if if we study their cultural habits and religious rites I believe we'd find bits and pieces of ancient Kemet scattered through out all of them.

Chev You're right! The biggest argument I've heard for there not being more Soul Food restaurants is because the food is supposedly so unhealthy for you. The thing people need to understand is that although most Soul Food is dense and calorie rich, it's also rich in calcium, vitamins, minerals, and proteins needed to build the body up! It was made to sustain people who were doing hard physical labor all day long and compensate for the minerals and tissue damage done with intense labor. It's the same with most Italian food! Most people don't realize that most of the Italians who came to the United State were the "dark" Italians of southern Italy and Sicily who were considered the slaves or peasants of Italian society and THEY were used to doing long hours of hard physical labor either in agriculture or building ships in the hot Mediterranian sun so THEIR food....similar to Soul Food....was calorie rich and consisted of a lot of fat and starches (pasta) for energy to work all day. Most people haven't had authentic Italian food from Sicily and southern Italy but when I lived in Detroit I used to drive across the Canadian border every so often and go the the Little Italy or take women there for dinner for some REAL Italian food. A little history...... Detroit used to have a Little Italy inside the city but Al Capone had it moved to across the border to Windsor Canada so that he could set up a liquor operation overthere as an excuse to bring liquor back and forth across the border. But back to Soul Food............... As full of fat and calories as it is, I'll take REAL food over the fake genetically modified garbage they're serving in most restaurants any day. I'd love to go back down South again to my people's houses and eat those green beans swimming in butter and fat back, or that corn bread full of bacon (cracklin' bread). What I see popping up around the country now is a lot of "vegan" Soul Food restaurants which is almost sacrilegious to call that tofu garbage "soul food".

I've said many times before and I still maintain that there is an under current of contempt and irreverence for Black male authority among many Black women. You see this online as well as real life. I'm not saying this is the case with Cynique, but I'm speaking of many female posters in general who choose not to come to this site and a few others that are owned by or mainly moderated by Black men. Just like many Black women don't like working for a Black male manager because she doesn't want "some sorry ass nigga" whom she doesn't respect telling her what to do or getting the last word in, many don't like participating on a site where a Black male may have the last word. The motto "to each his/her own" means nothing to people of this mentality. The concept of simply ignoring those whom you don't agree with or staying in your lane is simply not enough. Many women like HEAVY HANDED moderation where they can point out those whom they don't like and get them BANNED or better yet get the moderators and other members to CLOWN ON them and shame them into leaving. And with most Black sites you can CLEARLY recognize whether the moderator(s) is male or female simply by how they conduct themselves and what they consider inappropriate to say, where as on most White sites I've visited it's hard to tell the male moderators from the female moderators unless them mention it because of how uniformly they think and use their judgement.

And a lot of the Black children that AREN'T aborted and end up in the foster care system are sold to homosexual White couples (two mommies or two daddies) and there's no telling WHAT type of madness they end up going through in those homes. At our community center I've worked with atleast 2 teenaged Black boys who live in seperate households and both were from the inner city and were adopted by homosexual couples. One by a lesbian couple who has 2 other adopted Black children, and the other boy was adopted by a gay couple. They're having problems right now from what they've gone through at their homes that I wouldn't DARE discuss even if it were legal for me to. I don't think orphanages even exist anymore. I think as soon as a child is taken from their parents for whatever reason they immediately go into the foster care system to be assigned to a private home.

Troy Don't for one second believe they've gone away! Especially with 45 in office. Just assume that they've gotten better at espionage. Sitting back just observing and gathering information. They probably learned a few lessons from their Russian counterparts. How do you think the Russians were able to have such an impact on the 2016 election. They were monitoring Black websites and sitting back all nice and quiet observing and studying and every now and then pop up under some weird identity just to spread misinformation and then disappear again.

Chev and Troy Well you two STILL haven't sold me on planets and moons being stars, but OK...I'm beginning to understand. It took a minute, but I'm beginning to comprehend how the stars and planetary alignments and their patterns can verify the times of alleged events. But this is beginning to lead to new questions for me............. These alignment patterns.....as consistent as they may be....would seem to only verify when something took place IF those who are recording the event MENTION that particular celestial alignment during the event itself. For example if a great battle took place at a particular time and those scribes looked up in the sky that night and said, "On this night Saturn is here, Venus is there, the Virgo constellation is here...ect..." I understand now. But most historical events that I've read DO NOT mention celestial alignments with them. They just say "Such and such took place" and leave it at that. So again, how can we verify the actual occurence of the EVENT when the alignments aren't even mentioned as is the case with MOST historical events we read about?

Troy When I saw you posted in this thread, somehow I KNEW it would only be a sentence or two and most likely would NOT be an answer to any of the questions I posed to you. 1. That "battle" was just a hypothetical. It was an example for the question of how could something that happened in the past be confirmed or verified by looking up in the sky today. It doesn't mean a battle took place or that you claimed it took place, but IF someone DID claim it took place.....how could the planet or star alignment confirm this claim? 2. I see you totally ignored the question I posed to you of whether or not YOU believe that planets and moons are stars also. Lol, neither one of you (Troy and Chev @Chevdove) are doing a very good job explaining to me in a plain simple way that I can understand HOW planets and stars CONFIRM or VERIFY the claims people make of alleged past events like The Flood or Jesus walking on water. The STUDENT is ready, but where is the teacher?

Your definition of a wandering star says it's "ancient" astronomy. She says the scientific world TODAY defines planets as well as the moon as stars. Again, this is the first time I'm hearing that science STILL calls planets and moons "stars".

Troy Is this a serious question to me? Don't be silly 🙂 Besides @Chevdove never asserted that. Well, you're supporting her assertion that you can look at the stars and planetary alignments to verify historic events so I'm just asking you for specifics of how this is done. If a claim is made that a battle was fought on April 20th 1791....how can I look up at the stars or planetary alignments and confirm this today? Do you also believe that the moon and planets are "stars" too?