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Are you serious????? Lol.....even these little kids are laughing at your foolishness!!!!! 　 I see Del isn't the only one who needs to be educated. You need a geography lesson. And I suppose according to your logic just because things are "based on the same principles" that means they're the same.....lol. Del Cool Herc used to work in the record shop two blocks from my home. I heard Melle Mel Lisa Lee. DJ Breakout In Valley Park in the late 70's. There were a bunch of parks that were throwing down. I was at one of them. Where were you? Standing at the foot of your bed trying to wake your unconscious ass up....lol. Obvioulsy you were sleep and not aware of what was going on back then if you want to give the credit to some Puerto Ricans instead of the Anglo speaking Herc, Grand Master Flash, and Afrika. Listen, before you start giving us your memoir growing up in the BX......why don't you start with TELLING THE TRUTH about who really invented Hiphop since that's the current debate.

I'm not sure about the "getting myself in gear" part......but I'm focused and waiting on late May as well as multiple points beyond.

Troy I searched for it and didn't find it Knowing Cynique, she PROBABLY found it and deleted it.....lol. At any rate I do remember her making a statement similar to that regarding the Depression and it was to you. You said something about the "greatest generation" during the course of the conversation. I was hoping you'd recall it but it's not a big deal. Cynique because you can't handle the truth about how inflated your opinion of yourself is. After "handling" you.....I can handle anything, lol.

Man, how in the world can you sit up there and lecture someone about making shit up when YOU made up lies on both Martin L. King and Malik Shabazz and accused both of them of SLEEPING WITH MEN without providing any proof whatsoever and never even recanted the statement???? Pull up a chair and let me educated you on a few things: 1. The Turntable that AfroAmerican youth invented in the 70s IS NOT the same thing as the record player Edison ALLEGEDLY (because we don't have too many witnesses confirming it) invented. For all we know a Black man/woman probably invented that too....lol. The Turntable is an INSTRUMENT that started off as a normal record player but was transformed into something new and different for DJing purposes and other aspects of Hiphop. Saying the Turntable is an invention of Edison is like saying the iphone the invention of Alexander Graham Bell......a statement of utter ignorance 2. Hiphop was INVENTED/FOUNDED/STARTED in the 70s by Anglophone AfroAmerican men named Kool Herc and Afrika Bamabata. Many Latinos as well as Whites and other groups PARTICIPATED in it during it's early foundations but that's not the same as INVENTING it. Black people participated in slavery, it doesn't mean the invented it. And in all actuality Rapping itself before it was officially called that was started by the Last Poets back in the 60s. And for your FURTHER education, technically speaking even if the Latinos you mentioned were indeed the co-founders of Hiphop that STILL means that it was founded by AFROAMERICANS because most Latinos in New York (Puerto Ricans and Dominicans) are of African descent and guess what??? Both Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic are part of AMERICA just like Jamaica, Haiti, Mexico, ect.... Either way you slice it, Hiphop was invented/ founded by AFRO-AMERICANS like I said....lol.

I'm not focused on that other garbage............ Aside from hearing the same thing from over a half dozen people who were old enough to remember and experience the so-called Great Depression; I actually remember you and Troy having a discussion about the different generations and the subject of the Great Depression came up and YOU said that those who lived out in the country or rural areas did better than those in the cities. I'm not sure if Troy is still following this thread but if he remembers this statement coming from you also he's welcomed to chime in and confirm it or correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm not sure what the big deal is..... So-called "prince" Harry is White and so is the so-called "princess" Meghan (I don't care how Black her mother is) . Two White folks having a White baby, what's new?

Cynique and your hero is nothing more than a black Nazi full of hate for the "other". Farrakhan is exactly where he belongs, in a category with the 2 white conspiracy bigots A "Black Nazi"????? Not only is this an oxymoron FROM a moron........... But I've never heard of Minister Farrakhan killing or even advocating the killing of anyone like the Nazis. I've never heard of Minister Farrakhan building or sending anyone to gas chambers or ovens like the Nazis. Infact, Minister Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam don't even carry guns and prohibit them from their meetings! But Minster Farrakhan is a powerful intelligent man with a large following and I can understand how that it could make someone like YOU upset since you only find those qualities admirable in WHITE MEN. Now go back to enjoying your fantasy as a sex slave for the poweful and hairy White men you so appreciate on the Game of Thrones.....lol.

Del 　 I did a little mixing, scratching and rapping in the basement. Yeah, you might want to keep your early sexual experiences to yourself.................... 　 Also saw some of the founding fathers and mothers of Hiphop. The record player pre-dates me by about a century. Do you believe the turntable was created in the 1970's instead of the 1870's. In my original statement I said Break Dancing was invented back then but that I BELIEVED that the Turntable was. Although I'm not a musician I thought the Turntable that DJs currently use was a different type of instrument than just a normal record player. What about Break Dancing? Lol, do you want to give a White man credit for inventing THIS 100 years before also???? Mel a mother responsible for the financial well-being of her children is not a matriarchy. Nor does that qualify as a social/political/financial system. It's simply called survival. When it becomes the dominant form of family structure in a given community (which it has in the AfroAmerican community) then it INDEED qualifies as being systemic. The AfroAmerican community today is officially a MATRIARCHY in which the average or typical family is governed by the mother. For matriarchy to exist it would have to be a social system. At present one does not; nor has ever existed. It does indeed exist in the AfroAmerican community and it was FORMED by and being MAINTAINED by Caucasians from outside of that community by: -Systemically incarcerating, economically depriving, and in many cases killing adult Black males so that they are no longer part of the average Black family beyond early adulthood. -Systemically sustaining Black women and their children through various government assistance and charitable programs that allow Black women and children to survive without the Black males they would ordinarily need for their protection and provisionary needs under normal more natural conditions. This is why you don't see matriarchies in Africa or any other place where Blacks predominate outside of the United States. Because the artificial conditions being used to form and maintain this matriarchy aren't being introduced in those communities to the extent that they are in the United States. 　 As for Alpha "men" I don't even know what that means.  A human male who is dominant in attitude and behavior and not only attempts to accumulate wealth and women but also fights to protect that wealth and those women. Also most alpha men tend to compete strongly with other men for dominance

The media is calling Minister Farrakhan part of the "far right" although he promotes Supremacy of the Black man which is the opposite of White Supremacy.....lol. Perhaps it's his stance on homosexuality and criticizm of Jews that got him that lable.

Well if something is happening in YOUR community in front of you and you STILL don't trust whether or not it's real and need "references" and "sources" to verify what you're looking at......it sounds like you don't trust your own senses. Do you have a history of hallucination and delusion where what you thought was real turned out to be false?

I didn't ask you whether or not it was anecdotal. Since you called MY assertion that those who lived in rural areas and knew agriculture were better off in the so-called "Great Depression" than those living in cities -WRONG..... I'm asking you that if I brought it to your attention that YOU ALSO made this very same assertion, would you also consider your very own words "wrong"???? Now you KNOW what I'm asking you, so don't try to play dumb (-er than you already are)....lol.

Chev Now look at this...... You just got through jumping up and down over scholars deliberately changing the dates of the alleged events of the Bible; but when I tell you that the Great Wall of China was built between 3000 and 4000 B.C. to keep wild Caucasians out of their land you use dates from those same scholars to call me wrong and claim the wall was only built a couple hundred years B.C.....LOL!!!! I got news for you honey.... Not only was the Great Wall of China built to keep the savages out, but there were many other walls like the Great Wall of Derbent built to keep them confined too!

The Old Testament is pretty much a play book for the Caucasians who came down out of the mountains (mythologized in Noah and the "Flood") on how to conquer and the rule over the Black civilizations they came into contact with. Genocide and slavery was their M.O.

You posted this while I was editing my post. When you said the middle east was Africa I anticipated what would be your counter argument...lol Re-read my edited post and it MAY answer your question!

Mel have you ever heard of the Tuareg tribe of North Africa? Well, Today, some African American women model that culture when it comes to marriage and family structure. I suspect they may not even know it. The Tuareg tribe is indigenous to the region and some cultural anthropologist believe they were the original Moors. 　 Yes, I've heard of the Taureg but they aren't TRULY indigenous to North Africa. They...like other so-called "Berber" tribes are actually a mixed group who are the descendants of the Caucasians and the original Black Africans who were the true original Moors. Many centuries before the Arabs invaded North Africa Caucasians from the Mediterranian area invaded the northern coast of Africa founding cities like Carthage and they mixed in with the original Black African tribes who were there and many cultures blended. You see a lot of dark skinned and Black Tuareg today, but they come from a mixed ancestry originally based on racist domination of the Black women by the Caucasian men.....like most Arabs. And like the Arabs again, the fact that many of these "berber" tribes wear turbans and veils to cover up their face and protect their skin from the sun may be part of their current culture and style but it actually evidence that they are descended from a people not meant for that environment. As far as their family structure.... I'm not sure that the family structure AfroAmerican women are practicing is the same as the Taureg. As you said, there is a difference between MATRIARCHAL and MATRILINIAL. Matrinlineal simply means the ancestry is traced through the woman and her family instead of the man's and as you pointed out many peoples around the world practice this, including the Jews. It just makes more sense to do this anyway since you can actually see the woman giving birth to the child as solid proof of where it came from. It's Mama's baby....but Papa's...maybe. But what's being practiced in most AfroAmerican household is Matriarchy. The woman or mother is actually in charge and running the show....mainly because there is no alpha male in the household. This isn't the case with the Taureg who just focus their bloodlines through the woman but the men are still head of the households. 　 Troy Judaism itself is derived from much older systems and beliefs based in Africa. I used to believe this, but based on my studies I no longer think this is the case While the original Torah that Moses brought was heavily based on ancient Kemetic science and laws, the religion of Judaism as we know it today is based largely on Babylonian mythology. There is a strong connection between Judaism and Zoroastrianism....both of which came out of the Babylonian/Persian empires. Now you may believe that ancient Babylon and Persia which are called Iraq and Iran today are still North East Africa.....but those who FOUNDED these empires considered themselves Aryans. 　 　 Cynique What else do you call your constant harping about homosexuality being foisted upon black people by the media. It's called being AWARE of a problem and CALLING ATTENTION to it. Noticing patterns is a critical part of understanding what's going on in your environment so that you can spot potential dangers and alert others of them. Del How did you come to this conclusion? Okay may be a Bantu word. Although I have no reference or source. Why would you need a reference or source for something that was actually happening in YOUR vicinity and environment? Break Dancing, the Turn Table, and other aspects of Hiphop as well as Hiphop itself was born in The Bronx back in the 70s. If you're over 50 and from The Bronx you should have been WITNESS to atleast some of this. Chev @Chevdove Thank you. You're welcome sis!

Now that's a lie! NOT only haven't I complained but I haven't so much as even mentioned YOUR name....lol.

Lol...... I guess YOU know, then. I just wonder what others will think when they happen to come across past posts of mine which may suggest otherwise. Will they think I'm lying...or you.

Chev This makes no sense unless you can at least put a date to it. Here's the problem with "dating" things for acceptablity...... The Western calendar starts A.D. which is about 2000 years ago. Since then, most events have an actual DATE attached to them such as July 1011 or August 22 703. If something happens 300 B.C. or even 3000 B.C. how can you nail down an actual date for it? NOTHING in the Old Testament of the Bible has an actual date attached to it. It's just one linear story right after the other. All of the dates people come up with for the events of the Bible before the death of Jesus are SPECULATIVE because there are no actual dates attached to them. The term "B.C." isn't a true date but more a line of demarcation. So according to your logic, NOTHING that happened B.C. should make any sense since it's not dated. When do you believe this happened and from where were these Black soldiers before they were, as you say, sent to the Caucasus? I believe it happened sometimes between 4000 B.C. and 2000 B.C....which is the 2000 year time frame that Caucasians were pretty much confined in Central Asia. And although I'm not exactly sure what specific nation these Black soldiers came from, Black people are indigenous to the entire planet so they could have came from Egypt, Sumeria, India, OTHER parts of Europe, OTHER parst of Asia.....they could have even come from what is now called America. I don't don't believe all of the soldiers were Black either. I think some of them were East Asian because the Chinese built the GREAT WALL OF CHINA to keep these same Caucasians out of their lands also.

Cynique Well, you heard wrong. As usual you are citing hearsay and anecdotal evidence. And you need to make a distinction between education and experience. So even if I've read this very same thing from YOU YOURSELF.....would it still be wrong?

Chev Pioneer1 Isn't this pretty much what @Delano said too? -- Cultural whoredom. Lol, there is NO WAY in the world I'm going to sit up here and try to figure out what Delano is saying or what he means. I will say this though...... In my opinion "whoredom" is strictly in the realm of prostitution or selling sex for money which isn't necessarily a bad thing as far as I'm concerned. Selling aspects of your culture for money may or may not be a bad thing but it shouldn't be called "whoredom". Cynique Your idea of culture is one that western civilization has defined and to which you have deferred just like you accuse others of doing.. The way slave descendants have coped with their environment through improvisation is their true indigenous culture Perhaps my idea of culture IS one that Western civilization has defined. I don't disagree with EVERYTHING about Western civilization, they do tend to get some things correct. In my opinion "coping" with the environment you find yourself in isn't enough to define it as a culture. People in prisons and hospitals usually learn to "cope" with their environment, but the behavior they adopt isn't the same as an entire nation of people who have developed their own language, marriage customs, family structure, and architecture. Like I said, much of what AfroAmericans practice is just a modified or corrupted version of what Caucasian Americans practice. Diversity is the wave of the future because time brings change and the essence of culture is one of the things that changes. . Don't confuse DI-versity with PER-versity and the attempt to normalize that which is unnatural. 　 As for homosexuality, it is here to stay because it has always existed, long before the media focused on it. And the media isn't injecting it into black programming any more than it is into series about whites. If you are offended by the sexual orientation of people different from you, it means that you are not being influenced by it, so why sweat it No one is questioning the existence of homosexuality in human history. My point is that BEFORE coming into contact with Caucasians, homosexuality was usually either rmarginalized or hidden in various African cultures and societies. It was generally seen as abnormal and unacceptable. Today there is a PUSH (by Caucasians) to normalize it and make it acceptable in various African societies.

Chev Not only were the so-called "watchers" Black soldiers....... When you read in the Bible about the "sons of God" mixing with the "daughters of men" once again much of this is just a mythologized version of the original history. Black soldiers started having sex with the White women they were sent to the Caucasus area to watch.

Cynique During The Depression people from all walks of life including highly qualified and educated ones were not able to make enough money to live independently. And this is STILL the case for the majority of Americans. Most Americans CAN NOT afford to live independently. Most either live with family, friends, or a spouse. And once again, the main reason why is because most Americans ARE NOT properly educated. BTW, from what I've heard those who were PROPERLY EDUCATED in the area of agriculture and live stock production living in the more rural areas of America were MUCH better off during the so-called Depression than most of those with mere academic training living in the urban centers who could barely eat and didn't know how to grow their own food. 　 　 You refuse to consider that education is one of the things that separates the winner peer groups from the loser peer groups in the arena of success. Obviously you haven't been paying attention, because I've been saying the PROPER EDUCATION is indeed a key to success all thorugh out this thread. You need to pay better attention.....lol.

Yes. The internet and all of this IT and media technology provides a lot of INFORMATION but not enough actual KNOWLEDGE. This goes back to my point about so many Black people with college degrees but can't find jobs that pay them enough to support themselves. They have a head full of useless information....much of which isn't even true.....but not enough of the RIGHT and TRUE information that they can use to actually improve themselves and their community. Go to Washington D.C. and you'll find 100 Black people with doctorate degrees per square block......but these same negroes can't even fix the potholes on the street and have to call a bunch of half drunk plaid shirt wearing White men to come and fix their streets and sidewalks because they don't have the knowledge to do it themselves.

AfroAmericans (I rarely use the term "African" American) invented Break Dancing and I believe the Turn Table. I think we also invented Hot Water Corn bread and Cracklin' Bread as well as Hoe Cakes. But we don't really have an actual CULTURE. In my opinion a TRUE culture means having your own language (not merely a corrupted form of English or a mere dialect of it which is what most AfroAmericans speak); and your OWN set of social customs like marriage and family structure rather than a modified version of the Western nuclear family which most AfroAmericans TRY to practice but fail at which is one of the reasons broken and dysfunctional families as well as divorce is so high in the AfroAmerican community. Because instead of OUR OWN culture most of our people have been trying to IMITATE White culture and haven't succeeded. One of the reasons AfroAmerican sub-culture is so confusing is because it seems to change with each generation. It works like this...... White culture...whether it's food, dance, music, or just the way people talk and greet eachother.... is usually too weak and watered down for most AfroAmericans, so we develop OUR OWN food, music, dances, and forms of greeting eachother. This makes us feel more comfortable and gives us an identity....now we're cool. But when White people see it- some of them find it repulsive and try to make it illegal or stamp it out; but most of them find it different and attractive and try to imitate it. Once THEY get the hang of it and start imitating it whether it's music, dance, slang, etc.....it loses it's flavor and NO LONGER becomes cool. So the next generation of AfroAmerican youth invents ANOTHER form of music, dance, greetings, ect.....to separate themselves and give themselves an identity to be cool again....and when Whites latch on to THAT then the process starts all over again. But I do believe AfroAmericans need to STABILIZE themselves and establish a solid CULTURE of our own, because a lot of the garbage you see in the music and entertainment industries today being passed off as "Black culture" is actual degeneracy. They have made weed smoking part of Black culture today through the music and now the media is actually trying to normalize OPEN homosexuality and queerness as a part of "Black culture" by making sure nearly all Black programs in America include it.

The only reason so many people don't like kinky or even nappy (beaded) hair is because they've been conditioned by this society since childhood not to. You can TELL Black women they're beautiful all day long but unless Black girls actually SEE it displayed growing up and actually SEE men (of all races not just Black men) pursuing them and women with dark skin and kinky hair....most of them won't believe it or internalize it. This is why you have to use the media and educational system to start children (especially African children) off early seeing dark skin and kinky hair being loved and sought after as a prize and standard of beauty. I believe you can condition people...both male and female....to find almost any natural characteristic attractive as long as you start them off very young when they are most impressionable. I still remember the Jet Beauties found in Jet Magazines from back in the 70s.