Pioneer1

ProfD

Most AfroAmericans aren't hard-headed. If/when *can't get right* n8gglets are encountered, it doesn't make much sense trying to explain anything to them

That's why intelligent people shouldn't put their lives on the line fighting for intellectually challenged people who wouldn't appreciate what they were doing for them even if

they understood it.

Troy

What could possibly be achieved by more frequent mass sh--tings?

Maintaining an atmosphere of instability and fear.

When the public is constantly afraid and confused about what's going to happen next, they are easily manipulated.

....and distracted.

ProfD

AfroAmericans haven't had nearly as much time as those groups of people.

We don't NEED as much time because we have technology at our hands far more advanced that what the Romans, Greeks, and Persians were working with.
 

The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers can build an entire city from scratch in about a month.
Our people could learn THAT alone and it would be a great start.

We've been here long enough to build hospitals, factories, and cultivate farms.

On the flip side, those same groups of people aren't too much better off than AfroAmericans now.

It depends on how you define better.
Romans, Greeks, Egyptians, and others were self sufficient.

Sure they had to worry about war and being conquered from the outside....but they could build their own housing, feed themselves, and sustain their kingdoms.

As I said before, as a community AfroAmericans don't grow our own food, most of us don't employ ourselves, and don't even make toilet paper.

I'm a huge proponent that AfroAmericans should be self-sufficient.

However, there's also the belief that one doesn't have to produce something they can afford to buy. 

True.
But there is what's considered a HEALTHY BALANCE of being both a consumer and producer.

If you do nothing but consume and fail to produce...pretty soon your source of income may be cut off where you can't afford to consume anymore either.

You should be able to produce what you consume so others don't have power over you.

I know AfroAmericans can produce everything we consume if it was necessary.

 There's no shortage of very smart people among us.

Fact, me too.
But most ARE NOT...and that's the problem

There are hundreds of thousands of Black doctors and nurses and radiologists among us too....where are the Black hospitals?
 

The problem isn't the ABILITY of our pepole....the problem is the WILL and DESIRE.

Notice you never call a handicapped person "lazy".
Why not?
Because they have an obvious excuse for not being mobile and active.
 

But that muscle bound nicca laying on the couch in a white wife-beater with a neck like Mike Tyson's and his socked pulled half-way down his feet, smoking that fake ass weed that's going to make him even MORE stupid than he already is......ain't SHIT wrong with him physically.
Laziness is MENTAL.
 

22 hours ago, ProfD said:

Life without the possibly of parole is usually given to the most serious offenders.

 

Instead of becoming a trustee or seeking higher privilege inside the prison those individuals should be trying to discourage others from coming there.

Being Black in a White racist society is SERIOUS business....

How much influence does a prisoner have over those on the outside that he can preach to them and warn them not to come in there while locked down himself?

He can start a program to reduce the recidivism rate for the new prisoners who are there already and may even be able to reach some of those in the streets, but as a matter of nature his PRIMARY concern should be with himself and making the rest of his life inside as comfortable as possible given his circumstances.

He does that by getting in the "good graces" of the institution he's trapped in as best he can.


 

2 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

@Pioneer1

I probably confused you with my questions. I Will ask again.

 

What legal apparatus in the usa can the social contract , as you describe it, work?

 

Can you give an example in the history of the usa of such a contract as you describe it? 

It's social...so it operates OUTSIDE of the law.

 

19 hours ago, richardmurray said:

@Pioneer1 

So you support a contract between peoples in the usa. The first question in my mind is what legal apparatus can this work in the usa?

Maybe you have researched this concept. Do you know of a social contract example in usa history, similar to as you suggest. 

I can't think of one.

Yes, I've engaged in MANY of them personally.

The protocol is simple......

You and I get together and agree that if I do this for you....you'll do this for me.
One of us will initiate.

Say I do the thing for you.
Now you'll either do for me....or you won't.
If you fail to do it, I simply won't do business anymore.
If you honor your agreement, we'll continue to do business.....lol.

It's really not that complicated.
As AfroAmericans we collectively in various groups in various locations make deals with other groups in those locations to support eachother and a circumstance by circumstance basis.
If they fail to support us....we won't support them, simple as that.


No need to sit up cussing and crying and sitting in the corner with your lips poked out mumbling something about why don't nobody want to support you or help you when you need it.
If the people you made an agreement with FAIL to honor their end of the bargain....cut them off and move on to the next group.
Soon....word will spread....trust me!

Troy

of course, evil should be discouraged and when excessive punished.

Why would you punish someone who did something they had no choice over?

If their actions were "pre determined"...they couldn't help but to follow the script, right?

As corporeal beings, bound by the constraints of the passage of time we exist in the world with the known and fixed past,

...for the MOST part, lol.

But the soul can and does travel outside of this Realm.

We are, necessarily, content with the illusion of free will— otherwise, what meaning with life have?

If you didn't have a measure of "free will" you'd be stuck eating the same foods you were fed as a child and couldn't feed yourself.

The fact that you started TRYING different foods as you got older is just a minor testimony to your free will.

If there are multiple past and multiple futures, as some speculate, one can argue they’re all predetermined as well. 

Some are....some are not.

Even IF these different futures are pre-determined, YOU aren't necessarily destined to experience a specific one.

Imagine it's "movie night" and you have 5 different of your favorite movies to choose from.

You already know the outcome of each movie because you've watched them all so much....but what you watch THAT NIGHT is you choice.
It's not pre-determined.
You may decide to watch one particular movie that day and by the time you make it home changed your mind to watch another.

Either way...the movies are set but YOU don't necessarily know which one you'll experience.

 We are also unable to experience different realities within the Multiverse.

You do so everytime you dream.
 

They would probably initiate a low grade long term war that flies just below the radar screen to garner the national emergency that would FORCE the hand of Whites in the government to take some sort of action.

White racists in power sit up and let the common White folks have these automatic weapons that should only be allowed on the battlefield, for a reason.

Unlike most AfroAmericans whom you often have to keep repeating the same shit over and over to and often times they STILL don't "get it".....many White folks in America just automatically "understand" eachother.
A Republican in Alabama takes the ban off of automatic weapons....all the "good ole boys" in Alabama immediately go to the weapons store and buy them up wiping the shelves clean.
They don't need Minister Farrakhan or Al Sharpton to come on and preach to them to tell them what to do....they KNOW what to do.

Trump barely has to say anything racist and automatically most White men know he's for them and rush to his support.

 

richardmurray

Your thread is headlined with 2 different staments and a question....

-Mayor adams just said a simple thing

-Will the collectivity among people of color, non white europeans, fade over time?   

-1. Do you think the Black DOS elected officials or advocates should halt the growing media criminalization of latinos?

Lol.....which one should we focus on???

I'll focus on the middle one.......

Personally, I haven't seen a lot of "collectively" among people of color or non-White Europeans.

Maybe some exist in New York but it doesn't exist on a large scale in Michigan, Georgia, the West Coast, and other places I've lived in around the nation.
It exists in pockets...but not in general.

every day more and more i notice the mayor or governor seem dedicated to getting latinos as the primary war on crime target which overall is going to be better for the black dos populace in nyc. 

Trust me....it won't.

Why not?

Because as I've stated many times, most of the Latinos in New York are of African descent (Puerto Rican and Dominican).
Basically Spanish speaking niccaz.
 

Rolling your "r" and playing Salsa music won't change the way White folks see you or force them to separate you from the other Black folks who speak English and eat turkey sandwiches for lunch.

Notice Los Angeles and Chicago aren't targeting Latinos.
Why not?
Because most of their Latinos are not Black or Mulatto, as is the case in the New York area.

There may not be a lot of unity between Black New Yorkers because of their various cultures....but trust me most White folks see ALL of yall the same, lol.

2 hours ago, richardmurray said:

 

Helping blacks get what they are owed? multivided

Helping women grow faster? multivided

 

I'll have to disagree with 1 and question another of your assessments....

It doesn't seem like the House is divided at all on helping Black folks get what we are owed.
Both parties are UNITED in not doing anything to help.
If there is a party pushing such a program....please bring them to my attention, lol.

As far as helping women "grow faster"......what does that mean exactly?

23 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

 

Intellect and fame don't always translate into a fortune. Making money requires having a product and being a salesman and having a customer base.

I doubt that Tavis' paper has ever been in jeopardy to a woman. 

Perhaps being a professor doesn't make one a millionaire.....although I heard depending on the University you can make over $100,000 a year plus perks....but didn't brother West author a number of books?
I think he also had a few television and radio shows.

He should still be getting royalties from those endeavors.

There were rumors about Tavis being gay but some years back there were a number of lawsuits accusing of sexually harassing women at his production, if I'm not mistaken.
Or maybe they didn't say what sex the accusations were coming from?
At any rate, I heard all kinds of jokes about Travis chasing women around his office but keeping it so low key from the persona he gives on his broadcasts.

22 hours ago, ProfD said:

Yep. It's not uncommon for prisoners, er, people to join certain clicks, groups, organizations, etc., for a sense of power and/or protection. 

Exactly.....
If you are in a prison.....and sentenced for life without the possibility for parole...why not become a Trustee or seek some high and privileged position inside the prison?

Again, the key factors is "without the possibility of parole".....meaning no chance you're going to get out.

Troy

Think that through for second… 

 I have.
I suggest you think OUTSIDE of the box and ponder on what I said about multiple Realities.

The omniscient being you are referring to can move through time the way you or I walk up and down the street. The concept of the passage of time is nonsensical. 

Time is just a REFERENCE.
It's abstract....used to mark what which is concrete.

What is moved through isn't "time" itself, but the different Realities in which the concept of time exists.

They could observe something that “happened” 2000 years ago or 2000 years in the “future” it’s all the same. 

I wouldn't say it's "all the same" but yes, they could move 2000 years back into A past or 2000 years into A future.
 

I bet you have no problem accepting that you can’t change the past, the future is no different.

You probably can't change YOUR past, but there are MULTIPLE pasts just like there are MULTIPLE futures.

In another "past", Word War 3 has already occurred and this world has experienced nuclear destruction.

You still didn't answer my questions about why "evil" should be punished if the deed was already pre-determined to occur; and according to that logic...does "evil" really exist?
 

ProfD  & richardmurray

Lol....huh????

At any rate.....
Our people are so far behind other groups in terms of just the basics like providing food, housing, and even clothing for ourselves.
Like I said, the Romans, Egyptians, Ethiopians, and other groups were able to do these things for themselves THOUSANDS of years ago.

AfroAmericans don't even make TOILET PAPER for ourselves.

If White folks stopped making toilet paper, it'll be a shitty time in America.
 

If there IS a Civil War....it will be started by poor and lower middle class Whites.

9 minutes ago, ProfD said:

 

AfroAmericans are several hundred years behind white folks in terms od wealth.

 

Several hundred????

Good brutha.....try SEVERAL THOUSAND years behind, lol.

We aren't even doing what the Roman's were able to do.
Even they had a military, thousands of square miles of land, and a way to feed their population along with skills for major building projects.

On top of what ProfD just said, I'm also a huge supporter of CONTRACTS between parties.....including SOCIAL CONTRACTS.

In other words, if you want US to do this for YOU....then YOU must do this for US.

No more unconditional support for other groups simply because they are of color or even share the same color.
I support letting these other groups know CLEARLY that if you want the support of FBA/AfroAmericans.....then you need to support our fight for Reparations, and if you're going to sleep with our women then we need to be able to sleep with yours.  
If you want us to support your businesses then you need to support ours.
 

I'm not married, but I learned early on in my 30s that marriage wasn't for me.
I like my personal space.

It seems that some men just TRY to make it work....I mean they try REAL HARD to make it work no matter how many times they fail.
They don't want to accept Reality.

Some men just aren't meant to be in long term or committed relationships just like some women aren't.

I'm glad I was born and raised in the United States where atleast we have the option NOT to get married despite the peer pressure from certain people and family.
In many if not most other countries, you're EXPECTED to get married as soon as you reach a certain age.
If not.....you've shamed the family and are considered an "outcaste".

As far as our brother Cornel..........

I can see how 5 divorces can break a man financially, however as smart as he is and as famous as he is with that charismatic gap toothed grin being infront of the cameras for over 40 years.....practically a household name in Black America.....I don't see how THAT brother could be struggling financially.

I wonder what Tavis Smiley is up to....lol.

ProfD

When I was in my 20s I had a conversation with a former mayor who ADMITTED his was a member of the fraternity commonly known as the Boule.
At first when we were talking about it many years ago.....he stared at me and told me I wasn't supposed to know about that and looked at me some more and after a few words, he walked away.

A week later he came back to me and asked me how I knew about the organization and we had a long conversation and although we didn't become running buddies but we developed a bit of a friendship over the years as we would talk about different things that happened around the city and current events and the state of Black people when we saw eachother.

He....like other members I've met...had a different perspective or "take" on his organization than what most Black folks in the conscious community have.
 
Most conscious Black folks who know about them see them as Gate-keepers for White rule.
But they see (or atleast sell) themselves as a group of professional Black people who formed an organization to look out for their own best interests in a world dominated by White racism.

If a person truly believed that White Racism and White Rule are obstacles that can't be removed or overcome and that you MUST work with them for any success, I can understand why one would join an organization where they could atleast get SOME benefit, wealth, power, and prestige.


 

12 hours ago, Delano said:

If an omniscient being knows the future then it means the future is predetermined. 

Not necessarily.
Because there may be MULTIPLE futures in  MULTIPLE Realities.

An individual's future may be yet to be determined depending on their choices.

The Omniscient Being knows the DIFFERENT futures/outcomes of all the DIFFERENT directions they could go but they still can go in any direction they choose. 

I didn't know he was divorced that many times until I just read it here and did a quick research on him.
Man...this actually changes the way I look at the brother to be honest.

And the fact is, he's currently married to a non-Black woman.

I'm now wondering has ANY of his former wives been Black?

But regardless of their race, for a man to get divorced that many times in his life makes you want to question his judgement or personality and question why he can't seem to get along with the people who chose to settle down with.

This raises another question.........

When one individual interacts with another....do they share ONE SAME Reality or is it TWO SEPARATE Realities temporarily or partially integrating and engaging eachother?

frankster

Well, if your dial is stuck on "Aryans are Black folks from Iran"....I'm not going to try to move it for you, lol.
It's HISTORY.

Unlike Chemistry or some other Sciences, one of the things about HISTORY is you usually don't know for sure who or what is the ABSOLUTE truth because you weren't around to witness it or verify it, let alone PROVE  your argument to others.

ProfD


If the Baby Boomers were guilty of anything, they were guilty of partying and celebrating their PERCEIVED victory too quickly.

Yes sir, they indeed put in the work to achieve a measure of Civil Rights and "Black Power".
We can take that away from them brutha....we just can't.

However when they got a LITTLE victory and when some bruthaz were able to snuggle up with a White woman with a joint in his hand...he forgot about the struggle that he thought was already won and focused on partying and having a good time.

The children...me, you, and others...saw this and took the cue that the struggle was over too.

Reagan woke everybody up....lol.

Many Gen-Xers overcame the odds of poverty and/or the lack of a solid economic infrastructure and managed to become successful.

Unfortunately, many Gen-Xers were conditioned by that cycle of poverty. In turn, they also bred more n8gglets. The cycle continued.

Solid facts, but I'll tell you something bro.........

A lot of the problems in our community can't be blamed on past or current generations.
Just like a lot of the homicides can't be blamed on drugs.
And a lot of the broken families can't be blamed on feminism or the after effects of Slavery.

A lot of our people...a certain percentage...are just FUCKED UP.
Even under relatively IDEAL conditions a certain amount will be fucked up and we have to have a system to deal with them.

I'm of the belief that the White Racists who run the society AMPLIFY the dysfunction of our community where if WE were in charge we'd have a system in place to check them.

A certain amount of people in ANY community are just jacked up and self-destructive and an effective and responsible community has measure in place to deal with such people.

12 minutes ago, ProfD said:

I'm sure you brothas are already aware of the Black Boule. If not....that's interesting.

 

With a life long career in academics.....it would be even MORE interesting if Troy wasn't actually a MEMBER of the Boule himself....LOL.

Sitting up there scratching his head like he never heard of it 

"So....
Tell us more about this.....'FBI' agency you say is tapping your phone.
What does it do?
Where did you learn about this organization?"

 

23 minutes ago, frankster said:

 ....in your dreams

Precisely....lol.
This one to be exact?