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Neanderthals are a distinct species from Africans and do not have nappy hair. Homo Erectus do NOT have nappy hair; they are Primitive and roamed the earth. Yes. I agree. The 'Serpent' or 'Dragon' as some of the prophets referred to him, was present in 'the Original Sin' and His seed obviously was fertilized. No humans to date gave birth with any other animal but another human. So obviously, Eve gave birth to a seed; Satan's seed. Therefore, he had to have been 'a human'. Agreed! Most Bible scholars define 'thy head' as the Roman empire leaders; Emperors and their seat of power. Most Bible scholars define 'his heel' as meaning that the government of Jesus' adversaries will only be able to persecute him and his followers. My own studies lead me to recognize the geographical phenomenon of the shape of Italy and find it shocking too, to know a little about how the prophets like Daniel wrote about 'the south' and some wrote about how 'the bay and grisled horses' would go to the south as well as to and fro throughout the earth. I find it extremely interesting how history shows how the south world was subdued by the Romans and even Southern Italy, historically was known to have ethnic soldiers used specifically in their military ranks to fight against the people in Jerusalem, etc. So, the Great Adversary would persecute the believers of Jesus, however, Jesus would completely BRUISE or effectively crush his HEAD, meaning his government headquarters one day to the effect too, that it will never be able to form again in this world; so says the prophet Daniel.

Yes!!! Absolutely! @Pioneer1 You're giving White racist credit for science and genetics. LOL. Yes, I had to study microscopic slides as a mandatory requirement in Biology!!! Geez! Never! That would never be my goal, to argue with older Black men about Adam, Eve and Biblical records with the hope of getting you to believe. My purpose in addressing some topics when I read comments from Black men that are opposed to the records about 'Black Jesus' is for the future generations to see who is really rejecting the truth in that it is not just White people! I would never attempt to convert you. That would never be my goal, because again, the ancient scriptures reveal there is a low percentage of that anyway. One of my goals in discussions about Christianity and the Black presence in the Bible is to reveal to future generations how we, as Black people of African descent have lost the truth and also ironically support White Supremacy. But yes, it would be awesome if you were converted though, I would be very happy about that! However, that is not my goal. Again, my obsession with this kind of debate is for the future, not the present. I believe that Blacks born in the future, must see the process in how we have been deceived into believing that we must exist in a White dominated world, and we must also see how our ancestors have led us into this kind of oppression too. I think we need to take some accountability, too in how we think that the only way to exist is under the kind of world systems that exist today. We have never been able to overthrow white domination in the past, so why would it happen now!? That's a crazy thought imo. I believe there needs to be a higher power to overthrow Black oppression, because part of why this is happening is due to Black Hatred too, not just White racism. Wealth and power, here in America!? Maybe for a few Blacks, but imo, that is never going to happen under this White dominated system. Black churches, imo and based on prophecy is a thing of the past, or will be a thing of the past eventually. Here in America, Black churches came out of chattel slavery and this then, is problematic. There has been a great falling away from the Church, imo, due to so much exploitation that started during chattel slavery. Oh! But I love it though! I love my views challenged and that is I again, my Biblical reference is this; Moses married a Black woman, David married a Black woman, Solomon fell in love with a Black virgin... Jesus elevated Peter, a Black man. And the Creator said, this is my son, I am well pleased. Yet today, most Blacks still want to believe that the Adam and the Jews were White.... LOL!!! I love this kind of challenge because it gives me the opportunity to reveal a bigger picture as to where the disbelief is coming from and how we, as Black folk have been deceived and used to reject the truth too.

You are absolutely contradicting yourself. You have an elementary form of understanding script. As one who taught language arts in public schools, you cannot even master basic language art skills that student in Middle School must master before they can achieve in higher education @Pioneer1. In your own words, you think linear. LOL. LOL. Your mind is so confused. Just as I had said, the White Supremacist have used us, African Americans starting from the beginning of Chattel Slavery times from childhood to put out corruption and to infiltrate Africa with their perversion. For this reason, thousands of years ago, as this is a repeated pattern of the Devil, the Creator God judges the adults who formed and after the third and fourth generations, He overhauls the systems. Only a small percentage of the Blacks, even though, have been oppressed under racism will not make it into the New World because, it is human behavior, that it is almost impossible to become born again and stop bringing in the very perversion among the next generations that are not even born again. You said that Adam was a White male and your source is a White Hebrew book. smh. You are furthering identity theft of the Devil. There is no such genetics on this planet that supports the origin of a White male that is anatomically straight outside of one African male inidividual. It is your understanding that the Creator could not form Adam in his own image and also use the dust of the earth elements to fashion him. It is your understanding that the Creator could not use the bones of Adam to clone Eve. It is your understanding that we, Blacks should not understand genetics and Y chromosome genes versus X chromosome genes. Man I could not imagine you, as an old man exposing this kind of mindset to the next generations of Black Americans. That is why even Moses could not cross into the Promised Land. The Creator will not expose Black people to Colorism and White Supremacy even among us Black folk when he makes his move to overhaul humanity. Jesus said that many of the Children of the kingdom will not make it into heaven. Jesus had nothing to do with the Romans, Gentiles, because they were already Separatist, unless they came up to him, but he picked conflicts with the Jewish nation instead.

More Coded Black History: What Is A FRENCH HORN!? Part I I actually merged two very significant and distinct ancient and also, extremely historical terms together associated with Black African history. But nevertheless, the concept of 'a French Horn' also summarizes a major historical concept that bridges the past to the present instrument today known as the French Horn, in that the musical horns today stem from ancient people like the Jews and Israel of whom used animal horns to blow into for to signal the masses. But the prophets of Israel used this term a lot to explain the science and genetics of humanity in contrast and comparison to the 'horn' of animals. And although the term 'Africa' has never been written in that form in the Bible, however, the origin of this critical name has absolutely been well defined to connect to Bible history. Therefore through research of words and scripture, both of these terms should become common knowledge and reveal history that at one distant time was hidden in order to thwart the deliberate efforts of the Great Adversary to exploit script, and blaspheme the truth and to stop the hope of Black African freedom. Today, because all hidden history has now been revealed, it would be important to share this type of research to also reveal the dark side of history too. And so, the two distinct terms of 'the French Horn' that have become hidden history; [1] A French Horn and, [2] A French Whore, will be discussed in order to shed light on ancient prophecy. As both of these terms connect to vast historical records, however, this research will only be brief. So one day, when after I had watched one of my most favorite episodes of Columbo, All In A Game, in Season 10, Episode 3, written by Peter Falk, of which featured the beautiful Faye Dunaway, I continued to ponder one part of the film. Over and over again, I continued to think about one part of the film and ponder at how clever the Western world can be at times in how they toss clever phrases around with each other but all the while, never reveal their inside jokes against the Black African people that they exist among. In one scene of this film, the bartender responded to Colombo after he had a date with Lauren Statin, played by Faye Dunaway. The plot was about Lauren, an older woman, who murders her lover because she found out that he had cheated on her with her own daughter named Lisa. So after the man was found dead in his own apartment, Columbo investigates and begins to suspect Lauren did the crime, however, she flirts with Columbo with hopes to divert him. So after the date, Columbo goes to the bar of his old friend, Barney the bartender. Barney then says to Columbo, "You smell like a French Whore". "You smell like a French Whore" Ha! Wow. Well, this would be one of the many ills of the modern world in which we live in today, in that our educational system omits major truths that otherwise might help to improve the quality of life for people of African descent. This kind of phrase may reveal just who benefited the most due to the Separation of Church and State for the purpose of the continuance of that Peculiar Institution we also know as the Chattel Slavery law that remained as law after July 4, 1776 for another 89 more years. So after the Separation of Church and State, on July 4, 1776 and the First War of Independence, therefore the victorious Americans who fought in the American Revolution kept their slaves legally and I was very shocked to later learn that the very first leader of this nation, George Washington, too had slaves as well. The Americans decided to Separate Church and State and discard the foundation of how they initially set up their government as being Christians due to the Biblical issue of slavery. So instead of a system governed by the Bible, instead the Americans decided to change their governmental format and therefore set up a system of election whereby certain men were elected to become representatives and congressmen and senators and such like. The Americans set up their government based on a very ancient government that goes back to the ancient Roman Empire, and like the ancient Roman empire, slavery became common. The one major difference at this time would be that the American government did not set up in Italy or anywhere in the continent of Europe. Although this great American Empire did not set up in Europe, though, the history in how it formed over the course of hundreds of years due to a foreign body of people who consistently immigrated from the east world, by and by, and initially and seemingly blended with the indigenous people's ways, religions, and practices and then later completely changing their format and attacking the people follows the same pattern. Initially, this foreign body of people that formed the ancient Roman Empire, never revealed any intention to dominate the indigenous populations in ancient Europe, however, it took hundreds of years before this movement of supreme domination became an obvious goal. It took almost seven hundred (700) years from the time of the first migrations of these particular Romans into Etruscan Italy to finally make a decree of their goal to dominate the whole world. But even more amazing would be that the set up of the Roman Empire was not the first time too, that these same kind of people had done this kind of formation. And so, it would be for this reason that Biblical scriptures become the only pathway that can bridge this kind of ancient history whereby, today, we may know more truth about the past when it comes to the intense acts of hatred and violence meted out against people of African descent. Finally, due to these two common terms, 'a French horn' and 'a French Whore', that are commonly used today, and still kept hidden from most of us Black folks today, it would be important to dive deeper into history about these terms. cont.

More Coded Black History: What Is A FRENCH HORN!? Part II Again, I combined two concepts in one term 'French Horn' to reveal ancient history about both terms; [1] a French horn and, [2] a French Whore. Today in the Urban dictionary, this term 'French Horn' reveals a connection too, to the past and to the term 'French Whore', however, because of its complete disrespectful nature in regards to the hurt that has come about due to human sacrifice, it will not be discussed from that perspective. In a recent episode of Columbo, All in A Game, written by the late Peter Falk, and that featured Faye Dunaway, who played the role of an older woman named Ms. Lauren Statin, a coded term was stated of which lingered on my mind for a long time after I had watched the show. In the film, Ms. Statin attempted to cover up the murder of her lover that she committed along with an accomplice. In order to hide her crime, however, she flirted with the inspector Columbo, in hopes that he would stop the investigation. Her Columbo Emmy undoubtedly meant more to Faye than all her Oscars, BAFTAs and Golden Globes combined Dunaway’s greatest triumph is retaining her nobility in such uninspiring surroundings Gosh! Faye Dunaway is so pretty. Even in her older age, she is a knock out. I never get tired of watching this episode. One of my favorite scenes would be when she walks into a restaurant to meet Columbo, and it seems like the scene was actually a candid reaction of the people in the restaurant. It seems like the movie producers deliberately did not tell the people inside that the actress Faye Dunaway was going to come through the doors. Back to the plot; So one evening after Lauren had an earlier date with Columbo, then Columbo goes to the bar of Barney, the bartender of whom is also his friend. It would be at this time that Barney said to Columbo, "You smell like a French Whore". Oh WOW. This episode has lingered on my mind. Even though this episode would be one of my favorite episodes and Faye Dunaway played this role so well, to the point that she actually won an Emmy[!], it would not be the film that bothers me, however, it would be the hidden joke that I recognize. Because of my research and faith too, do I realize the double whammy, the double irony-- of this dark little secret about that phrase 'French Whore' that Europeans have kept alive. The deeper truths behind this phrase that would actually be as it comes from a European, a serious insult and an extremely derogatory statement, in one sense, however, on the other hand, as it did come from ancient Black prophets too, would it NOT also be the same, an insult and an extremely derogatory statement? Or, would it merely be a true prophecy!? At any rate, this term 'French Whore' bridges history that goes back so far in times past and history that becomes so vast, it becomes hard to know where to start a discussion about its origin. Nevertheless, this research will be brief but hopefully, enough will be understood so as to be a launch pad that opens the door to understanding much more about the past. So then, I am not going to start back thousands of years ago to any origin, but instead, I will start this discussion about these phrases 'French horn' and 'French Whore', with the prophet Zechariah and branch backwards and forwards from the timeline of his book and shed light about all three terms [1] French, [2] whore, and [3] horn in how these terms all connect and can be used interchangeably. And so, it also becomes crucial to understand that these phrases could evoked just as much anger in the past as it should today, to the point that the Creator made the prophet Zechariah aware that because of his obedience and his prophecy, that he would be murdered for it, as he had been, and as his own scripture foretold before he even published his prophecy. Zechariah knew that, when he wrote this prophecy, against the rebellious Jews and Israel, that he was going to be martyred. In their ignorance and rebellion, the people did not realize that prophets did not only write for that time period, but they wrote for the future deliverance of millions of people that would be completely oppressed and lost truth forever had it not been for the love of the Creator. So without further adieu, I will shed light on only a brief aspect of the prophecy of Zechariah and other prophets of whom wrote up the rebellious Israelites and the repercussions of their rebellions that led up to them becoming vulnerable for a violent attack in the future upon which many of their little children were stolen from them, enslaved, raped, and used to, not only set up the Roman Empire, but to become a supporter of White Supremacy. Again, I will be brief about these terms: [1] A French Horn--In order to understand the deep insult of this phrase, both of the words needs to be understood separately. However, initially, it would the musical instrument that became known as 'the french horn' that becomes the backward branch. The term 'horn' addresses the genetics of an animal horn. Animal horns were used in ancient times as instruments to make sound. And after awhile, animal horns became used by hunters. And it would be because of the genetics of an animal horn that prophets used this term extensively in contrast and comparison to human origins. So separately, the term 'French' has a unique origin and goes way back in time but together with the term 'horn' the modern hidden phrase of 'French horn' would be the very same meanings as 'A person of African descent'. More specifically, the term 'French horn' goes back to one single individual, thousands and thousands of years back, to the pre-flood times to a man, a king of ancient Thebes in Egypt, named Chephren. Sometimes his name has been written as 'Khafre'. So, from this famous ancient king, came so much history and so many distinct nations and peoples, and the common denominator would be 'the horn', meaning 'people of African descent' or loosely, ethnic descendants of Seth, Thebes. Here are some of the many, many terms that stem from this king; Chephren, Phrenology, Frenology, French, France, Kaefre, Re, Khamere, Freedom, Ephraim, ... Africa. So the name 'France' or 'French' has a much deeper meaning other than we are taught about today and at one point in time, the European country of France carried the idea in the minds of many as being just another definition of African people who dominated that area during the Middle Ages. That kind of history is buried due to the rise of the First Roman Empire because prior to this time period most of Europe had a different human population than what came about after the Romans set up their empire. [2] A French Whore--refers to the prophecy of Zechariah about the rise and fall of Second Rome, a prophecy for which he was martyred for writing. It would be the same as 'a Babylonian Whore'. Zechariah described 'a Babylonian whore' as being the foundation of the set up of Second Rome and, the prophet John later wrote about this same description too. Another definition for 'a French Whore' or 'a Babylonian Whore' would be 'a Black--White' woman. Yep. He was talking about a Brown woman of African descent. LOL. Oh God. The 'Black' American Indians used this term, Black-White person. The ancient term connects to this concept in that the Biblical word 'Horite' refers to 'a White person' however, 'a Babylonian Whore' would refer to a mixed person with indigenous roots [i.e. indigenous horn]. Zechariah wrote up his own rebellious womankind, however, what the rebellious Israelites did not understand was that he was also talking about the future of millions of little children being stolen, enslaved, raped, and exploited and used to set up the Roman Empire. He was not insulting the women of those times only [although he was definitely getting at them too] but he was mostly referring to the future repercussions of their rebellions back then at that time. Zechariah lived some 400 years even before the rise of the First Roman Empire. So he was addressing the rebellions of those times, yes, but he was also addressing the future that would not even happen for more than 2000 years [i.e. the prophecy of the apocalypse]. Anyway, they murdered Zechariah for his prophecy about the Black-White woman and the rise of the Roman Empire. He was martyred for his prophecy of the Bay Horses too, in his description of Black African Self-Hatred and their obsession over a White dominated government. Zechariah defined Rome as being predominantly a Black African population but the head was White [ZECHARIAH 6:1,8.] So now, the book of Zechariah has intense prophecy and connects to all other prophets too. But if, as a women of African descent, you hear a someone tossing around the term 'French Whore' or 'Babylonian Whore', even if it was aimed at a non-Black woman, know that would be an insult towards you and possibly used as an inside joke about being like an 'African whore'. It would refer to a person as being like 'a loose Black woman of African descent'. 2000s B.C. 1500s B.C. 1000 B.C. 400s B.C. A.D. 2 A.D. 90 A.D. 1492 A.D. 1776 Abraham Moses David Zechariah Jesus John Columbus July 4th ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ And, behold, here cometh a chariot of men, with a couple of horsemen. And he answered and said, Babylon is fallen, is fallen; and all the graven images of her gods he hath broken unto the ground. ISAIAH 21:9. [8] And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. REVELATION 14:8. *****My Note: 'Babylon is fallen is fallen' is written to reveal the prophecy about two separate times this empire formed and to show the prophecy about the First Coming of Jesus and then the Second Coming of Jesus, which has not happened yet. The prophet Isaiah lived about 500 years before the rise and fall of the First Roman Empire. John-the Revelator lived about 90 years after the rise of the First Roman Empire of which did not end until more than 300 years later. 'Babylon -- is fallen = the First Roman Empire is fallen = the Second Roman Empire [8] And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. ... REVELATION 11:8. *****MY Note: [1] the Great City Rome I and II, [2] Sodom, [3] Egypt, [4] Jerusalem, and [5] Babylon all define a empire 'Headquarters' government that formed in different lands on earth, [1] the Great City First Rome, Italy, [2] Sodom, Arabia land of Canaan, [3] Egypt, Africa, Kemet, [4] Jerusalem land of Canaan, [5] Great Babylon I and Neo-Babylon II, Iraq Mesopotamia. All formed from the dominant presence of the Amorites, Gog and Magog.

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No, not all Africa and Africans are the source of ALL human beings because Neanderthals are NOT African, they do not have afros and many other genetics that stem from the source of Africans. Human beings even today show genetic traits that prove their is another separate source of human origins, a more primitive type of human that roamed this earth, separate from Africans in existence right now on earth today; otherwise the Bible would be a lie about Eve, the African female, having sex with that other human and giving him 'his seed'; of which she gave birth to nine months later after the Original Sin occurred: [15] And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. [16] Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. GENESIS 3:15. Ask yourselves, why is this scripture actually referencing 'the seed' and conception and bringing forth children, meaning reproduction. Obviously this referencing is regarding 'sex', a sex act that had occurred. This has not been taught to the African American descendants of slaves (DOS) even in the Church where it should be the most vital foundation to learn and to understand because without this understanding, we are falsely led to believe that there is only 'one human origin' in this world. Humans do NOT reflect this 'One human Race' ideology simply because the word 'Race' is based on an incomplete scientific classification of all humans today. That term, 'Race' is made up by modern mankind today and brings confusion because it does not fit any scientific order for the classification of any living thing. There is no proof of a single source for all humans today, however, genetics does show that humans today reveal a distinction in species. The scientific classification of 'speciation' can be addressed, but so far as I can understand, there is no proof of a single source for all humans whether, modern or primitive. Primitive humans like the Neanderthals are not defined to have been 'CREATED' but modern humans are defined as such in the Bible based upon an anatomically straight male human origin. No one can provide any origin for Primitive humans. The ancient scriptures never said that the Primitive human that Eve has sex with was 'created' by the Creator, so no one knows of his origins, only that he existed on this earth and the prophets repeatedly wrote that he was intersexed all throughout the Bible. He could not produce no anatomically straight male offspring at all. That is why he stalked Eve in Eden. [15] And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. GENESIS 3:15. *His Head versus His Heel* The Roman Empire "From The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire (1776)" I guess this was the greatest government on this planet at one point in time.

This is very sad! I feel deeply sorry for his parents. May he RIP. What in the world is going on? They shot that young man like 9 times after they pushed him down. He was trying to help the woman that was just pushed down and he stood in between her and the assailant and held his hand up to show that he was not armed. I feel like I am living in a nightmare. Something strange is going on in America. These leaders must be hiding some kind of agenda or plan and the masses of common people have no idea what is really going on, but we are dealing with some insane happenings. Ever since that young teen ager, Trayvon Martin was shot and killed back in 2012, this government of immigrants from Europe has completely changed their format, it seems back to the early times when it began to set up in this 'foreign land' that they took over violently to set up their government! Alex Jeffrey Pretti (1988 – January 24, 2026)[28] was a 37-year-old intensive care nurse who lived in the Lyndale neighborhood[29] of Minneapolis.[30][31][32] Pretti was born in Park Ridge, a suburb near Chicago, to a family with northern Italian ancestry.[33][34] He grew up in Green Bay, Wisconsin, and graduated from Preble High School in 2006.[35][36] He attended the College of Liberal Arts at the University of Minnesota, where he received a bachelor's degree with a major in biology, society and environment in 2011.[35][37][38] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Alex_Pretti

You believe in the interpretation of White Racist, all the while have not answered my question about the scientific proof of it today. @Pioneer1 where is the genetic proof today, of the reproduction of this OTHER MALE that you believe that the Bible is saying was also CREATED!?

okay. I understand now. the last video I posted, well, you have to click the bottom of it to see Vanessa Williams rock it with her dress. haha! Thank you @richardmurray for the thought, but I gotta do some serious exercising before I can even look at my past youth in those contest. It's just terrible! I am sitting here with my hair looking like 'Hell bent over backwards' and typing away, looking at the beautiful Vanessa Williams and we are about the same age. That sista making me feel bad. I gotta get up and do something about this! LOL.

Okay. I have to go back and read the full thread! What!? Well, I put up some videos but they did not work!!! I am going to try again! Yes, Vanessa obviously shows some mixed traits, but man! She is Black IMO. It's not only about traits, it is also about culture. 50% of a person's identity is also based on their culture. Well, as a dark skinned Sista, I can certainly appreciate your views!!! However, @Pioneer1 history does not lie and some light skinned Black' people have been severely oppressed for being Black or of the Black American culture. Colorism is a serious contention among us Black folk though, but Vanessa, IMO, is a Black woman. I think I got it right this time!!! Here's the video of her talking about being the first Black Miss America and the hatred that she faced.

But that does not clarify anything. Why? Because the origin of both terms are based on Africa. Race-African Nationality-African nations Ethnicity-African traits, practices and cultures. Not so. You have been mis-educated. My husband looks similar with similar traits to those pictures that you posted but he has nappy afro and so does his father and I hear stories about earlier ancestry. His male lineage goes far back based on family stories as far as I can understand from what I hear. My husband afro is/was black as the night and so is/was his mother's hair and so is one of my sons. That is a predominant trait from India. Black hair. Not Africa. White people lie about that. My mother's side from East Africa also have that trait of very, very black hair but not me. His mother is Blackfeet and the hidden history about them, I do hear the stories and see some pictures too. I can understand your confusion though about them being 'a separate race' but it is not that they are a separate race, because of the term 'Race' is the actual confusion. It's about nationality and not 'Race'. Some Native American Indians stem from different nations. Yes, my husband is both 'a Native American' and 'a Black Indian' and 'an American Indian' as well. His blood type is almost exclusive to the sub-continent of India of which only 9% of all humans have and outside of him, the only other 'Race' that have his blood type would be 'African Americans'. and his brother has even more of a lower percentage as his blood type is more exclusive. So, like most genetic studies prove, most North American Indians have Type O blood and so, because both my husband's father and mother are Native American Indian, and have one Type O allele, their children [of which is my husband and his brother] have the exclusive blood type that defines them as having origins from India and the Middle East. Science and genetics don't lie but the White racist does lie. Your pictures of those Native Americans are deceiving you and you are not seeing the full history of what happened here in the Americas when the White Europeans came over here. The American Indian and Native American nations were violently attacked on a genocidal level, all of them but the African Natives were hit the hardest. The American Indian tribal nations did not define themselves by hair type like we do today. Their nations go back thousands of years before the Europeans came over here with their lies and their guns. WOW that is confusing. I don't know about Semar Moore, but I thought Beyonce defined herself as being Black? Her father is definitely a Black man. Her culture, I think Creole? That means that she could identify herself as being Black. When it comes to phenotype, Beyonce seems to have 'a full backside' [hips] and thighs and that is a Black trait. That girl is Black.

The White folks that took ancient scripture and gave it back to scholars did so, because all Black civilizations became obsessed with White folks and ignored confirmed truth about Black origins as it was written in the Bible. The KJV says that Moses married a black woman, that David married a Black woman, that Solomon was in love with a Black virgin and that God elevated them and their offspring for this reason. That is not a lie. Solomon wrote that he was a twin to the Black virgin that he fell in love with and he equated his analogy of the genetics of the female deer in that she always gives birth to fraternal twins; one male and one female. The very Black virgin wrote that Solomon looked just like her brother and because he was not her brother but her lover, all of the other women in the village were jealous of her because she got the attention of Solomon; a very black skinned male and the son of David and Bathsheba. For the White folks Bible to lie about that would go against all common sense. LOL. [1] O that thou wert as my brother, that sucked the breasts of my mother! when I should find thee without, I would kiss thee; yea, I should not be despised. SONG OF SOLOMON 8:1. So if White folks had ancient scriptures translated, we do need to confirm scripture, but you would be completely lost if it had not been for the White folks that took up the cross due to Black people becoming obsessed with White people and wanted nothing to do with being Black. Who do you think hated Jesus, white racist only!? You believe in white males being Hebrew and that it's a fact. LOL I can't rewrite what has been written down. It was written in codes. Daniel sealed up prophecy, meaning he wrote in codes and so did all of the prophets. I already explained one major prophecy about Black people that worship White people: The prophecy of the Bay and Grisled Horses. The BIBLE said nothing about another creation of a man, if so, where are they @Pioneer1? Why is there absolutely NO reproduction or genes that reveals this other male separate from modern mankind? There were definitely other males on this earth but they were intersex and not at all able to give birth to any males separate from all anatomically straight males today in which all genetics of the Ydna show direct reproductive consecutive links. LOL. You have misunderstood the Bible about the creation of Adam.

LOL. Oh help me God. 'Narrow way' of thinking!? @Pioneer1 Stop, Lol. Cain's son is named after that city called 'Chanoch' [i.e. Enoch-Cain]. The wife had nothing to do with her son Chanoch being 'a male'. Her genetics contributed nothing to Chanoch being a male. Your 'narrow' understanding of what 'a city' actually means is leading to you misunderstand true historical records. The same Biblical timeline of the ancient cities during that time period of 3000s B.C. match secular records as well of certain ancient BEE-Hive cities and fan shaped cities that first developed near the sea shore initially and around the Black Sea area of Turkey Anatolia and also later copied in other areas of the Old World as well. There were more than one city, however, they were all formed as offshoots of the earliest Two-Pylon cities of Enoch-Cain. The nod-eastern city was the headquarters initially before it develop in northeast Africa, etc. You place too much belief in mankind. White people have absolutely nothing to do with science in its origin. You can confirm the truth yourself whether or not mankind is lying, even if it takes time, the truth can be confirmed. You can take lies with a grain of salt, but to ignore the truth and believe in lies will lead to permanent damnation. Truth must be confirmed with science and genetics.

@Pioneer1 You are pushing White Supremacy with your White reference for the name 'Adam', and this is exactly what the Bible said that we 'Blacks' would do. Your reference is from the 'White man's book whether or not it is stated to be a Hebrew dictionary'. You must confirm SCRIPT with the earth otherwise you are pushing the White man's lie about the origin of Males on this earth. There is no such occurrence of any White male being the origin of any Anatomically straight male with Y-DNA. It doesn't exist. All modern males stem from one Black AFrican male. The 'general' reference I use is ALL genetic lab test when it comes to determining male ancestry of which is 99.99% accuracy. Reproduction connects all the way back to one male individual. Even if you believe that Adam means 'Red' that does not negate the fact that all black males have 'red' blood and some black males show this RED SKIN TONE even though they are very dark skinned like some of my own relatives that I have seen. You're lying again about the Bible. The Bible does say that Adam is the beginning and gives a complete lineage up to Jesus Christ. Satan is not an anatomically straight male and today, in science and genetics, this is proven that there is no other male humans on this earth that have haplogroups, proving reproduction of any other kind of straight male with Y_DNA. You are pushing the White man's lie and his attempt to steal the identity of the Black 'Race' of humans from which all modern humans stems from. Identity theft. Another lie against the Bible. The Bible does NOT say that Cain found his wife in 'the land of Nod' [i.e. 'the land of Nod' or 'the land of the North'] Nod, east of Eden means 'Northeast' and ancient history agrees with the Bible that means an ancient civilization in and around the Black Sea of which is indeed Nod-east of Eden. At any rate, the wife has absolutely nothing to do with Cain being 'a male'.

haha sh8t. Stop @Pioneer1

Yes, I absolutely agree in that beauty contest, whether they are called pageants or something else, that they are not going to end. Therefore it is a good endeavor to sponsor pageants and support and cheer for Black female beauty contest that are Black owned. Unfortunately, there will be modern day David's that fight over a 'Bathsheba', or a young female dancer that might please men like Herod and then use their attractiveness to ask for the head of John-the-Baptist; there will be belly dancer's in restaurants where Middle Eastern men go to dine, and there will be beauty contest in a world with males whereby females dress up in nice clothes, and dance or sing or do some type of entertainment to attract male attention for their beauty. As far as little girls in pageants where they are paraded like the big girls, well, that needs to stop, perhaps set guidelines that separate little girls so that they won't be paraded for sex. Little girls should be able to compete on certain talents though, but not for sex. As far as pageants for males, well, that seems to go against the natural order of life, but Hey, in the western world, anything goes, even enslaving millions of little children for sex and/or forcing them to work in factories, etc. etc. etc.

Well said! @richardmurray Within this context, I think @Pioneer1 may have brought in some confusion and issues that was not intended for this thread!!! This thread was to highlight the advancement of Black women in these pageants. But although I did NOT read any of his post yet, I do plan to though, go back and read his post, because I recognized from other comments the contention that was presented and I do understand why @Pioneer1 would interject some of these contentions, but I know it is frustrating though. However, before I go back and read through this thread, I have been wanting to piggyback though, on the Black beauty pageants and share some other comments and stories that I do believe bridge the past pageants that are for all women and connect to the Black beauty pageants. It was not until this thread that I went back and looked at some recent historical aspects of the 'Black' pageants that I realized to my surprise[!] that one of the Black pageant organization did not even come about until 1987!!! 1987!? You gotta be kidding! I think it was the Miss Black USA pageant that did not even start until 1987 and what shocked me is that, I was in one of those early pageants and never knew it was that brand new! OMG! Well now, the reason why I am BLOWN AWAY about this news is because I had always believed that I was drawn into these pageants and given a lot of support from non-Black people to go into this foray is due to the lovely Miss Vanessa Williams! I believe that she is 'the door opener' for all of us Black women to be put in the spotlight in this manner, no matter what kind of pageant we took part in. So when I realized that the Miss Black USA did not start until 1987, well I believe it is because of her who was the first African American woman to win the Miss America pageant in 1983; September 17, 1983 and she became Miss America 1984. I remember that was when I was in college and I watched the whole pageant and was not really interested until at the end when it was announced in the newspapers the next morning, that Vanessa Williams was African America!!! I was like-- What!?' LOL. But after leaning that, well, I was so excited and happy and thrilled! She was so pretty and she still is just as beautiful today! So the fact that she was so light skinned that I did not even know she was 'Black' kind of ties into the contention here, in this thread, but nevertheless, just like @Cyniquesaid, Vanessa is Black! The girl is Black. And she is also a Trailblazer! As far as some of the contention, here in America with the issue of Colorism, I understand, but so many of these Black or AfroAmerican women or whatever, have went through a lot of racist attacks after they won. So then, I believe that it was because of Vanessa Williams, that probably led to the Miss USA pageant coming on board! Initially, I was sought out to be a contestant in the Miss America Pageant that next year--not the Black Miss America--but the regular pageant after Vanessa had won, and I believe that it may have been because I was going to an HBCU. The organizers of that pageant pressed me diligently to be in their pageant but at first, I was like, no way! After Vanessa was thrown down so badly and attacked, I was like, totally uninterested. But they kept asking me to be in their pageant, so I did. I did not win, of course, but, the organizers were so nice and supportive. Beautiful people. There were two other Black girls that had been in that pageant several times, year after year, and they were so incredibly beautiful, I was like, why in the world do yall need me!? But without further adieu, I want to share some historical news about Vanessa Williams from past to present. Recently, she was featured in an online social media talk show where she shared some news about what she went through after she won Miss America pageant. She has been married three times and she has four (4) children that are now adults. Her first husband was Raymond Hervey II and with him they had three (3) children. The second husband Rick Fox she married and they had a daughter. Then her third husband was Jim Skrip and in 2021, they divorced and kept it hidden for four years. She because well known for other endeavors and nominated fro Grammy's as well. Now in some of these brief video clips, she drops some hard news about how she was given death threats for winning the Miss America pageant! Crazy! Vanessa Williams Then: Vanessa Williams Now: Unfiltered: Vanessa proudly shared an unfiltered photo of herself on Instagram July 8. At the July 24 premiere for The Cottage on Broadway, the actress revealed she had recently undergone a Forma skin tightening procedure https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12361307/Vanessa-Williams-60-admits-Botox-radiofrequency-procedures-not-fillers-doesnt-want-look-like-somebody-else.html Miss America 1984 Crowning Moment Singer, actress, producer and dancer, Vanessa Williams. She was the first African-American woman to receive the Miss America title when she was crowned Miss America 1984.Her parents Milton Augustine Williams Jr and Helene Williams and brother Chris.

Confusing. Black Americans are....as the title implies....people of the Black race who are American citizens. The Black race who are American citizens!!! What a thought. I guess then, due to many freed Blacks during Chattel Slavery times, they would fit your description of 'A Black American citizen'. However; [1] The first and ORIGINAL Black American of the Black race would be an American Indian and a Native American of the Black race. [2] The first and Original Black American 'citizen' would then come before 1865 could be well, --who knows?-- Both freed Blacks and some left over Black Indians that did not get killed off or massacred and were part of the American government as Bounty Hunters or scouts or something like that perhaps. I tell my husband, at times, 'You know, you are truly, as an American Indian and a Black Indian at that, --the Original African American--, way before the DOS were forced over here on slave ships'. AfroAmericans are the descendants of enslaved Africans who are primarily Black but mixed with other races to various degrees. So here, it seems that part of the confusion imo, would be that Black American citizens were also and at one point, descendants of enslaved Africans, no matter how mixed they are with other races. Black American citizens came from what origin before they became citizens? So whether or not, you are a Black American citizen or an AfroAmerican, no matter, we came from enslaved Africans, or going back farther, some of us came from Africa at some point in time. Some of us came willingly while some came through the period of the modern slave trade. Black American citizens, whether or not they came recently from places like Nigeria, or Ethiopia, or Brazil, etc. and became Black American citizens, no matter, they would still be referred to as AfroAmerican. An AfroAmerican can also be 'An AfroAmerican citizen' as well, so what's the distinction? We are all mixed no matter what time period we came from. All of us people of African descent are mixed with something, but at one point, we came from Africa. So no matter if the term is 'Black' or 'African' as it applies to African origins, meaning the continent of Africa, it doesn't seem to be a difference. So, I think these terms, [1] Black American, [2] Black American citizen, and [3] AfroAmerican, can be used interchangeably, however, the term FBA might be more unique in its definition in relation to chattel slavery and also American Indians and Native Americans that are of African 'Black' descent.

The Bible says that we, humans have Free Will. God created us to have Free Will and make our own choices. The Bible says that Moses married a Black woman, David married a Black woman and Solomon both elevated and married the Black skinned Virgin, and God elevated these men. Jesus came through the birth canal of a Black woman and God blessed all of these prophets that embraced Black females. So Blacks believe what they want to believe because they have free will, no matter what the Bible says about the Black presence in it. That is your free choice... whether it is wicked or not. You are not a robot. You can believe what you want, even if you profess lies about the Bible, it's your free choice. Adam as 'a white man' is not possible unless he came from the anatomically straight YDNA haplogroup with origins from one Black African male individual of which all males today come from. Just as the Holy Bible states repeatedly, White Supremacy is professed and forwarded by millions of both, Black Africans and Whites who do not believe in the truth as it is confirmed with science and genetics and agrees with the Bible. We have free choice and free will. White Supremacist have exploited millions of little Black AFrican children through chattel slavery, stolen them and used many of them [us] to forward their movement of White Supremacy and infiltrate Africa with their perverse beliefs and hatred against God. We are all born in sin and if we do not become born again, we will perish just like millions of the Hebrews that passed over the Red Sea some 4000 years ago. God Passed Over their sins when he judged the Egyptian government for their acts of human sacrifice against the people, but no sooner than many of the Hebrews passed over the Red Sea, they too, acted evil and God dropped a lot of them right afterwards. God has no respect of persons when it comes to human sacrifice and unforgivable sins.

Well, I hope so, but no amount of money will ever heal them from what they are going to experience, imo.

OMG! Guess what showed up on my feed yesterday!? I feel that this issue too, might be connected to what the government is doing, you know with ordering immigrants out of America. A lot of people have been evicted from their Section 8 homes! Also, the law has changed and now, Vouchers for Housing are only allowed to be given for only two (2) years!!! After 2 years, if people don't get jobs or something, they will have to pay full rent without any help from Housing Authority. Maybe if you are disabled or older than 62, you might not be completely put out, but times don't seem safe for anyone nowadays! Also, I heard that some landlords are putting cameras inside people's apartment and if they don't like it, then they are going to be told that they can move out. It seems to me that America is going after the poor population and a lot of single Black mothers are going to be devastated. Oaky, well, I did not know that was the hype. I wonder how much of that is true or false.

Renee Good's family has just hired the same attorney that fought for George Floyd!!!

You know, I just heard about that, but is it true? I thought that the Trump administration is blaming the Democrats for the immigration problem. Same here. In fact, in my community there are new businesses actually opening up all over the place that specifically support Latino people and their moving in.

Thanks for the update. You know, I just did a little google search and was also reminded that there are two different pageants [1] Miss Black America and [2] Miss Black USA. I think the Miss Black USA is based on college funds and educational goals. This is the link for Miss Black USA of which is a scholarship pageant: https://www.missblackusa.org/ —naiylah archer, Miss Black USA 2025