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18 hours ago, Troy said:
Chev why would you apply the concept of race, something made up by racists a few hundred years ago, to non-homo sapiens sapiens?
I absolutely understand @Troythe point you make. I don't like that term 'race' at all and believe it is a concept exploited to promote Colorism.
However, I do not apply this term to "non-homo sapiens sapeins", however scientist use the term SPECIES and that is what I refer to.
The Neanderthalensis is how it is termed in the Smithsonian and so, they are a seperate species and not of the homo sapien species. Specifically,
the Neanderthalensis fit the definition of SPECIES for specific reasons and fall under the category of hominids.
Now do scientist say that homo sapiens intemixed with Neanderthals?
Absolutely. Scientis say that modern makind do show a certain percentage of Neanderthal DNA.
So they know that there is a certain degree of hybridization still occurring on this planet.
18 hours ago, Troy said:There is no scientific basis for applyinhg these terms to humans and I can guarantee you the Smithsonian did not do this in a single exhibit.
I agree. the term 'race' is NOT used!
18 hours ago, Troy said:Gorillas are dark-skinned does that make them Black? Some people believe this, then it becomes reasonable for them to assume that Black people are a more direct descendent of the Gorilla and therefore less evolved than the so-called white man.
Yep. I remember this was a commonly spread misinformation during the 60s. But I don't think that GORILLAS are even dark skinned. I think their skin is very light skinned, anyway. It's their hair/fur that is dark, I thought. But that is the confusion that was spread by racist. But scientist knew this could not possibly be true from the begiinning however, they kept quiet for many years. And then even when the genome project completed their findings, it took the scientific community about 4 YEARS to publish!!!
LOL. The western world has a hard time admitting their racism. BUT BACK TO THE SUBJECT OF GORILLAS:
Scientist kept quiet and let racism run rampant and therefore the fact that primates have the ABO bloodgroups was used to suggest that Black African-typed people evolved from apes, however, here is the problem with this;
Scientist also know about the RH NEGATIVE FACTOR and this is linked to many White people and others with the O Negative blood and is not common at all in the Black African world nor primates. In fact, if a woman with this blood type becomes pregnant with a RH POSITIVE man, the medical procedures that she must go through is intense!!! This RH NEGATIVE FACTOR is a huge scientific issue and would completely knock down any possible thoughts of Black people evolving from apes, more importantly, it points to another reality that cannot be ignored about earlier species on this planet that are not the same as modern mankind. LOL.
18 hours ago, Troy said:The blackout goes beyond the African presence in America prior to the European. The Greeks, for example, are considered the source, of western culture Herodotus the father of medicine, etc. However, it is commonly known that the Greeks learned from Africans. This has been known all along but never taught in American schools. Black kids are taught that Black history begins with our enslavement in America.
Of course, when white folks are presented with the truth they reject it outright or disparage the scholar who presents the information.
okay, WOW! Never thought about this angle. You're right.
And furthermore, that is the issue that really angers me in that, Black kids are taught that our history begins here at the time of chattel slavery as if we were invented or created only for the cause of America.
We are the only people in the entire planet whose history does not begin thousands of years ago, but we are conditioned to believe that we begin here. That is pure evil.
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:That's why I said the theory of human evolution is a RACIST theory that shouldn't be accepted by ANY Black person with good sense.
LOL! Agreed!!!
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:Caucasians came up with that theory after society became less religious and that "curse of Ham" nonsense failed. So they had to come up with another LIE to continue to categorize Black people as inferior so Darwin and the other racists developed the human evolution theory that calls OUR people the "missing link" between the apes and White folks....lol.
yes. Absolutely.
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:Also....
If we know that Caucasians have a history of lying and not accepting the truth and proof of our greatness and discoveries, why get so offended and outraged when one or most of them continue to do it today?
I've come to accept this about them, so it doesn't bother me one bit.Sheeiit, speak for yourself @Pioneer1. I am a woman, and maybe that might be an issue, I don't really know, but I am NOT going to let some racist come up in my environment and I not get angry. I do try to keep it as respectful as I can though, but sometimes, I feel I sleep better if I just deal with it.
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:
I really don't waste time arguing with them.....I spend more time arguing with other Black people whom are more likely to accept the TRUTH about our history, lol.
White folks ALREADY know it....they just don't want to accept it.I wish I could be calm, but it's not working right now.
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Is the West Winning the Information War with Social Media?
I still don't have an opinion on this topic but I am trying to understand.
However, when I watched this video about a month ago, I kept thinking about how this topic has been addressed here and can see this subject is not just confined to a small group of people here in America, but other people in other countries seem to be making similar statements about the power of social media and certain sites.
Some of the comments about this video are eye opening for me:
Benjamin isaac wrote:
Benjamin isaac
Great unbiased reporting. Hard to find here in the US.
Big V Alexander wrote:
I never thought I'd have to watch news based out of India , living in Canada.. to get unbiased news. Hope your channel grows to 100 million
2.8K
And Yash Goyal wrote:
Yash Goyal
WION is hands down the best thing that ever happened to India's news media industry. A true example not just for the nation but the global stage
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On 9/6/2022 at 11:54 AM, Troy said:
I actively avoid consuming information that is pushed to me. I ignore my social media feed because I refuse to subject myself to the algorithm, as I know I'm not above being manipulated by it myself.
On 9/7/2022 at 6:26 PM, Cynique said:Manipulation exists everywhere.
On 9/4/2022 at 2:02 PM, Troy said:Today most people get their "news" from social media. Their feed is curated by a sophisticated and powerful algorithm. whose power is not taken seriously enough.
On that note, I watched WION, an outside source on this very topic about a month ago, and for some reason, I've been thinking about these comment in relation to what she said. The spokesperson (of which is the same group at the beginning of this thread) spoke about how the western world has put out a lot of information on these very sites mentioned and she says that their propaganda is powerful.
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3 hours ago, Troy said:
would say STFU!
You know there is virtually nothing you have written about genetics that I (or the science) agrees with. If I was Michel I should take your validation as cause for concern.
LOL.
3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:Also according to code you're not supposed to directly call a White person a racist UNLESS they identify themselves as one.....lol.
Maybe. lol.
3 hours ago, Troy said:but you still have not justified your reasoning.
And, he hasn't at all. He came into this thread explaining about needing valid references but after awhile, I noticed that he provided NONE regarding the topics that he was stressing over.
@Troy He may have put out confusion over the issue of NEANDERTHALS because he is interjecting other primitive hominids.
Again, I spoke about how I visited the SMITHSONIAN and therefore, knew exactly how he was completely lying and that is why he has not provided any references.
I did make statements about Neanderthals but, I don't want to be confusing so, I hope to restate what I said later.
However, if anyone has had the opportunity to visit the SMITHSONIAN then, I hope that you will share, otherwise, the point that I made in calling him on his lies may not be understood.
When I went into the museum of the Human Origins, there were several specimens of early hominids around the room and ALL OF THEM WERE VERY DARK SKINNED except for one species: NEANDERTHALENSIS. Thats it. Just one with pale skin.
And so far, all of the dark hominids and the one this racist spoke about in this thread is no connection to African origins or modern mankind at all.
There are specific genetic markers that anyone can see what scientist speak of which completely separates modern African-typed people today from all of the primitive hominids including the NEANDERTHALS.
But one main phenotype would be that ALL OF THE PRIMITIVE HOMINIDS HAVE THIS MASSIVE BROW RIDGE.
Now, do Black people today show this huge forehead and brow ridge!??? Well, after 400 years of chattel slavery and being raped, what do you think?
However, that phenotype is definitely prevalent in the White/European 'race' and would be one of several phenotypes that shows why scientist admit that there has been some degree of hybridization.
Again, I specifically mentioned 'nappy hair' and this is the hallmark that separates Black African-typed people today from having any connection to the earlier dark skinned hominids and this is obvious if you go to the smithsonian.
3 hours ago, Troy said:Based on what I have read so far, and despite what Pioneer wrote, I tend to agree with your assessment.
This is what will happen (speaking from experience now): Michel will escalate to the point where I have no choice but to boot him, or he will take his marbles and go somewhere else.
LOL. It would be good if he could just bounce on his own.
I went to do an errand and came back and WOW, this thread blew up! LOL.
Anyway, I had mentioned something about the Aztecs more than once, but never gave a reference and hope to share more about that perhaps in another thread.
The reason why I think they are important when it comes to pre-Columbian history is because like the early African presence all over the Americas, the western world has definitly put out a BLACKOUT on this subject. So the fact that this guy is so adamant about keeping us Negroes confined to the continent of Africa until after Columbus is why now, I can't find the reference even about the Aztecs!
Thankfully due to the WWW, World Wide Web, and other civlizations, the western world will not be able to continue to hide history as they have done for a long time.
For some strange reason, the western world has hidden a lot of history about what happened during the A.D. 1300s and that is why the late Ivan Van Sertima's research is so important.
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22 hours ago, Troy said:
That said he seems to have flipped. It doesn't seem like the same guy.
@Troy LOL.
Thank you so much for taking the time and checking this out.
Yes, he definitely came in with an agenda, that unfolded.
And, I do understand that you cannot get rid of everyone, but he needs to go, imo.
Some non-white people may seem 'entitled' but then in this case, he seems to have come from Storm front.
People like him, stalk and only join black communities with the intent to do racial insult, demean, and attack.
Nevertheless, I highly appreciate you looking into this, and accept your decision.
I can't tell you how much I appreciate you and your forums.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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On 9/6/2022 at 6:24 PM, richardmurray said:
In my historical assessment of black people this is common among black people.
Some black people even before the war between the states, just attacked white people. we forget how many slave revolts failed:)
@richardmurray Yes, thank you for bringing out this perspective!
On 9/6/2022 at 6:24 PM, richardmurray said:IT is more common than black people in the USA like to admit for a black person to be fed up and go the violent route.
No entitlement.
But, Raissa's reaction today, made me feel that her actions are not what most AfroAmericans would resort to doing today as opposed to chattel slavery times.
In chattel slavery times, Blacks were actually dealing with evil White behaviors on a whole other level! Rapes, and severe deprivations like starving and not having proper clothing to work in the cotton fields, and babies being taken from their arms right after birth, men having their genitals cut off, and public whippings, etc.
So, I can understand Black retaliation with violence back in those days, but today, I just don't recall hearing anything like that today on a mass scale.
Some of the articles of which I did not post had the term 'ENTITLED' and already prejudiced my mind, I do admit, but I still do think this.
On 9/6/2022 at 6:24 PM, richardmurray said:And my last support is that the majority of black people in all the tribes <DOS/JAmacian/Ethiopian> in the Black COmmunity in the USA accept abuse from the white system. But, there are always those black folk who do this. I don't see entitlement just common expenctancy
I don't know about us though, meaning AFroAmericans. I think that we have been weakened by systematic racism. I don't know if I can even recall such actions coming from us on this scale today. But if you can, please share. I might be suppressing this kind of reaction, unknowingly.
On 9/6/2022 at 7:05 PM, richardmurray said:don't know if it is true, but she isn't from cameroon, she was raised in ohio
Raissa Kengne (Atlanta Midtown Shooter) Age, Parents, Siblings, Relationship, Bio (49ultra.com)
Ahhhh!!! Thank you for this! So, she deliberately led people to believe that she was here in the Americas all by herself@
Because she made statements saying that she was here alone and not in HER COUNTRY.
Nevertheless, she has a strong accent so, imo, she definitely acquired her confidence from having been rasied by both of her Cameroonian parents and having been born and raised in a lovely big home and nice community. This confidence guided her continually to be very successful and obtaining a college degree and a master's degree as well. She qualified and was able to move into a plush condo community and live a upscaled life.
I feel so sorry for her, because I know how it feels to be thrown down, however, I never thought of killing my supervisors or lawyers.
21 hours ago, ProfD said:As a society, people need to find a better way of airing their grievances that doesn't involve killing someone else.
Yes, I agree.
21 hours ago, ProfD said:That way, there's less grief and a lower body count and no court trial and less paperwork. Some people are too d8mn selfish.
Again, I agree here too.
I sympathize with her anguish but, I feel that what she endured happens a lot.
It was not just her, and it's a real problem, but shooting and murdering someone won't change anything on a wide scale.
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I'm not reading anymore of this racist rhetoric that you are putting into this Black community.
You ave come here under false colors.
You have provided NO references to support anything you have said.
You spent time telling us how we need to provide references yet, you've not provided any to support what you are saying simply because you are lying.
I have provided numerous references.
Therefore, I am asking you @Troy to intervene.
This guy is really racist.
The references of the genealogy trees that I posted reflect the other references in that GENOME PROJECT is fact based.
I provided reference of the Genome Project in that it is an internationally accepted project of scientist across the world and
states that ALL MODERN HUMANS STEM FROM ONE AFRICAN MALE INDIVIDUAL.
The educational curriculum includes evolution and states that it is a theory and so far to date, nothing has been proven based on evolution.
Black African people today have NO other primitive hominid DNA other than like other 'races' some do show Neanderthal DNA.
@Troy I want you to realize that this @Michel Montvert putting blatant lies about people of African descent having other hominid DNA. This is very far fetched and extremely racist.
20 hours ago, Troy said:are you familiar with the work of Ivan Van Sertima? Start with him. Clearly, there is a lot you don't know about that subject.
As far as DNA it was hard to understand where the point of contention is, a percentage of so-called white people have some Neanderthal DNA.
Yes, he is completely disrespectful about the late Ivan Van Sertima who was highly educated and his work has been confirmed.
This is definitely a racist attack against this Black community.
19 hours ago, Michel Montvert said:There is NO evidence for anyone coming to America before Columbus.
@Troy This racist is completely ignoring numerous publications which obviously shows his intent on being here.
I have shared in the past in several other threads about how, more than 100 years prior to Columbus, that over a million Aztec ancestors migrated from Europe around the time of THE BLACK DEATH PLAGUE which occurred around the AD 1330s. And soon after the Toltec civilization came to an end. I have written about the many people who fled the Old World from Africa to the Americas long before Columbus and here, this idiot is so evil with his racism that he is tripping over obvious historical facts to try and keep the Africans confined in Africa. LOL.
No Troy, I hope that you look into this. Please and thank you.
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ENTITLEMENT? Black Women Arrested for Mass Shooting
This viral video showed up on Bing this morning however, it happened a few days ago.
A young Black woman of Atlanta, Georgia, Raissa Kengne, went on a killing rampage and was caught in the airport trying to flee. She shot and killed two (2) men and wounded another and also attempted to kill another, but she could not find him.
The story went completely viral, and the comments and opinions are wildly varied. Raissa has been living in Atlanta for a few years, however, she is from Africa and from Cameroon. She went to college and succeeded in obtaining a degree and then went on to get her master’s degree, I believe. Then she started working as an accountant at a firm and soon, she stated that the company was not ethical. For this reason, she became labeled a whistle blower and she then claimed that she became harassed. She lived in a very nice condo and was facing foreclosure. She claimed that in retaliation, her realtor assisted in having her apartment broken into and some personal files were taken. At her company, she then was offered a promotion at $12.00 more, but she apparently resigned, filed a lawsuit, and ran out of money. Now I wonder was that ‘hush money’? Anyway, she filed a lawsuit by herself, and it was an extremely grueling process with her having to construct a massive amount of paperwork. It seems like she hit a dead end imo. So obviously, she came to a breaking point.
So a few days ago, she shot and killed a management man at her condo and then went to the building where she had worked and shot and killed another man. Then she got a taxi and had the taxi drive her to the home of lawyer that she may have wanted to kill as well, but he was not home. She did shoot another man, but he is now hospitalized. So after she left the house of the lawyer, she got back into the cab and while the cab driver was enroute to the airport, he got a call from his supervisor and the police inquiring if she was in his cab. He said that he had driver her before and so, he informed her asked her was she in any trouble and also told her that he had gotten a call about her. He later realized that she could have killed him. Like her, the cab driver was from Cameroon as well. Once she got to the airport, she was finally apprehended and arrested. So now, some commenters believe that she should be fully prosecuted and have no mercy while some believe that she was wronged. My thoughts are this; is that a normal reaction for AfroAmericans if we feel that we have been wronged on the job? I can’t count how many times; I’ve faced job hardship and hit the bottom. And, I know how it feels to be humiliated and mocked in such situations. But, it was never an option to take the law into my own hands. Raissa apparently came her all by herself and no other family member came with her. I think that is a big problem. I feel that she came here with high hopes but also with a false sense of security.
Many immigrants come here and make it big, and do much better than many AfroAmericans, and sometimes, I get feeling that they have been made to view us AfroAmericans and lazy and low on the job spectrum because our own doing. However, I also feel that some immigrants come here with family members or have some type of cultural connections to help them with emotional support. Raissa was here all by herself and she actually did pretty well. But when she felt that things went wrong, she fought back and obviously, did not like the outcome. I wonder if this is a case of entitlement that perhaps, AfroAmericans don’t possess in situations like what she had faced. I don’t know, but this story has led to a lot of polarized comments.
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@Michel Montvert You keep repeating yourself.
Again, I am a biology major so NO, EVOLUTION IS ONLY A THEORY, nothing has been confirmed. I teach this because it is on the educational curriculum.
Nothing has been proven about evolution.
"Sorry, African folks, but it has been found that W-Central Africans also mixed with a non-sapiens species, likely Homo bodoensis (formerly heidelbergensis or rhodesiensis). Neandertal DNA was also carried into Africa,..."
Again, NO other HOMINIDS EXISTED AT THE TIME OF MODERN MAN other than NEANDERTHALS. That is in the Smithsonian. The date of the heidelbergensis and all other dark skinned hominids were completely extinct by the time the African man was created. THAT IS FALSE INFORMATION you are putting out and not science based at all.
THAT AFRICAN INDIVIDUAL HAD NAPPY HAIR, all of the dark skinned primitive hominids DO NOT HAVE NAPPY HAIR!!!
The curl patterns, wave patterns, etc. of mankind today would be another fact that separates modern mankind from even NEANDERTHALS!!!!!
I do agree that Neanderthal DNA was also carried into Africa and not just in certain areas but this whole world has a degree of DNA, however, in African people, it is not as much as others. As you said, the immunity of Neanderthals was a benefit to the females and intersex beings but on the other hand, it was fatal to modern mankind!!!
Black Americans and Native Americans are getting their azzes kicked by the diseases we get from Neanderthals!!! LOL.
You see, you are an extreme Supremacist Michel. But hey, you were given a pass to put out these lies with NO EVIDENCE in black communities. LOL.
I have posted 3 genealogical trees and ALL MODERN MANKIND STEM FROM ONE AFRICAN INDIVIDUAL.
ALL NATIVE AMERICAN HAPLOGROUPS stems from an African origin.
Now all you are doing is being harassing.
I have posted references: 500 Nations documentary--Kevin Cosner showing the presence of ancient African Native Americans all across the Americas.
I have given you much evidence but you refuse to accept it.
My father-in-law hosted POW WOW annually, and many Natives, including him admit that they have African origins.
You are not native American, but yet you are so upset about the African presence in Native Americans.
I have not looked at your video on Olmecs and Mayan, but I hope to, however, I am not that interested in that research right now.
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4 hours ago, Cynique said:
All genres of jazz are available for listeners on Cable TV music channels, and FM radio stations. I check them out regularly.
Yep. I'm being lazy.
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4 minutes ago, Michel Montvert said:
That is utter nonsense. A supremacist? For saying the Olmec and Maya were 100% Native, I'm a supremacist? That doesn't even make sense.
It doesn't make sense to you @Michel Montvertbecause you're entitled.
100% native means they were definitely African.
I repeatedly agree that Neanderthals had YDNA, YOU KEEP TRYING TO INTERJECT A LIE.
6 minutes ago, Michel Montvert said:So did neandertals. There is no Y-DNA analyzed from neandertals because DNA decays!
Then stop pushing your evolution.
7 minutes ago, Michel Montvert said:It is not that neandertals lacked Y-DNA, it is that we've so far been unable to extract a sample.
Never said they did!!! You keep pushing lies.
Scientist know full well that Neanderthal DNA is around due to the females they have successfully been able to extract!
They know about the YDNA of Neanderthals, easy because of the presence of TRAITS that the modern African males and modern mankind DO NOT EXPRESS.
They know due to hybridization.
9 minutes ago, Michel Montvert said:Why would I be on a black forum? Because AA forums are the best ones! There's more of interest, more intelligence. Most forums are shit shows. This one is a breath of fresh air. This is true generally of AA sites online.
You can come into AA forums because we generally are a welcoming people and would not treat you the way that we've been treated. And the other reason is because we've been oppressed for so long due to White domination, that some of us have been weakened. So, even if you were a racist, a troll or whatever, Black sites get that kind of behavior all the time.
12 minutes ago, Michel Montvert said:I know that there is ZERO evidence for Africans or anyone else in America, so really this gets down to... see if you can find evidence.
This really bothers you. LOL.
I've presented enough evidence. You just totally upset about this thing.
Just because a genocidal attempt was made to wipe the African presence in the ancient Americas does not erase YDNA evidence found in native Americans today and yesterday. You just don't want to accept it.
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14 hours ago, ProfD said:
Many folks considered Rap music and Hip-Hop garbage. Yet, the music has generated billions of dollars and created a bunch of millionaires.
Beauty and trash are ultimately in the eyes and ears of the beholder. Then, there's the folks who control the purse strings.
I agree. I did not care for the much of the vulgar rap music that was in the 2000s however, prior to this time period, I thought some of it was good.
Then because of this AALBC community, I came to hear about the late Nipsey Hussle and listened to his music, and I thought it was awesome.
I feel that he was gunned down, perhaps due to just one vengeful man, but it would not surprise me that "the folks who control the purse strings." may have had a hand in stirring up the pot. Like his music, there seems to have been a movement going on amongst the fellas to clean up rap music and stop being negative about Black women and such. Nipsey really seem to convey this message along with others and he almost won a grammy.
3 minutes ago, Michel Montvert said:Your comment is entirely true, and still true if you remove the qualifer "African-American". Look at the white music! It stinks! We went from Bob Dylan to Justin Timberlake.
Young bloods. I don't know much about Justin Timberlake but he's obviously good to get this kind of noteriety. I didn't listen to much of Snoop Dog, but the little that I heard, he does seem pretty good. On the other side of the culture, I loved Michael McDonald, Paul Simon, and much more.
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16 hours ago, Cynique said:
When it comes to music every generation embraces what's new, and dismisses what's old and in 25 years, yesterday's junk will be considered classics.
Yes, probably! @Cynique
But then too like it was said here, I think @ProfDsaid it; it takes effort to appreciate real talent like jazz.
And, I'll admit that I don't listen it today because it is not broadcasted and made ready, but jazz is awesome.
And even though a lot of talent was around before I was born, I love to listen to the oldies that I feel are timeless.
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19 hours ago, Troy said:
Wow, they beat this guy like he was a run-away slave. I had not seen this video until you posted it. Where did you first see it?
@Troy Yes they did! What in the world is wrong with our system.
Believe it or not, I first saw this video on WION, no other site showed any evidence of this. After I saw it, I googled and then found sites showing this from our country. But again, it first showed up on my channel from a foreign organization.
19 hours ago, Troy said:It is interesting to consider that if the victim were Black it would probably have initiated riots, as in the case of Rodney King. How would Americans react if white folks took to the streets in reaction of a brutal beating like this?
I do think as in places like Oregon, White people will riot, but in this case, I wonder if our country tried to suppress it?
I think the masses on the bottom of America need to realize that power is the hand of a few and we are being thrown together and pushed down no matter what we look like.
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21 hours ago, Michel Montvert said:
No, you are confused about Y-DNA. Neandertals produced males just fine. The problem was when they interbred with sapiens. the male offspring usually did not survive due to genetic incompatibility. That is to what you refer, I'm sure. Neandertals and sapiens split 900k years ago and so there are genetic problems with their interbreeding. Neandertals and Denisovans were on that same line which split from sapiens. They then split subsequently. More accurately. probably, would be to say that they both evolved from Homo antecessor. The sapiens line at that time was Homo bodoensis (formerly called heidelbergensis), as sapiens didn't evolve until 300k yrs ago, from what we now know.
This statement you made is totally insane! You have presented no proof! ALL OF THE SCIENTIST WORLDWIDE still say they have not been able to get one single YDNA from any male Neanderthal, and that is because THEY WERE NOT VIABLE PURE YDNA males themselves.
"Neandertals produced males just fine."
That is crazy! LOL. You have not proof. The YDNA sample that they recently CONSTRUCTED was done with modern Male YDNA. That is why you do not hear any other reports. Prior to the Creation of the African male, all earlier hominids were COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ANYWAY, that's what the Bible reveals, and I hope to shed more research on that later. Prior to the Creation of mankind with STRAIGHT VIABLE YDNA from which ALL MODERN MANKIND STEMS FROM, the primitive hominids that were male were totally different as MALES. The problem with the NEANDERTHALENSIS SPECIES is that they are DENISOVANS THAT MUTATED and this is the key to why they could not produce MALES like the DENISOVANS.
"Neandertals and Denisovans were on that same line which split from sapiens."
No that's not what the scientiest of the Smithosonian say! The Denisovans were wiped out thousands of years before the Neanderthals. The Neanderthals existed on this planet as the only primitive hominids for thousands of years before the modern mankind manifested.
"The sapiens line at that time was Homo bodoensis (formerly called heidelbergensis), as sapiens didn't evolve until 300k yrs ago, from what we now know."
There is no proof! NONE. I saw the heidelbergensis in the Smithsonian and the date given is way before modern mankind.
The 3 trees that I presented provide absolute evidence that all mondernmankind stem from the A HAPLOGROUP and one African male individual.
21 hours ago, Michel Montvert said:Good point this guy makes about Afrocentrism and Eurocentrism. But the salient point: NO genetic evidence of any but Native Americans has been found in America, specifically in the Olmec region.
"NO genetic evidence of any but Native Americans has been found in America"
And this then is the repeated statement you keep making that proves to show that you are the most extreme White Supremacist of any kind.
For you to have the entitled freedom to come into a Black community and TELL US NEGROES this unsupported belief of yous with NO evidence is so disrespectful and an insult. For you to dismiss my evidence of the genealogy trees and say that there is no evidence the Native Americans being connected to their AFRICAN ORIGINS is so disrespectful.
Even in Africa, the haplogroups vary amongst Africans, so what give you the right to define the haplgroups of Native Americans as showing no original 'African' traits!?
THE ANSWER IS you are a supremacist and can't bring youself to accept scientific evidence that you cannot say this as being truth about Native Americans.
The problem is that you cannot say anything about the White Europeans coming into all of the ancient Americas and launched a massive movement of initially killing off the African Natives of the Americas with a genocidal attempt long before they turned against the Straight-haired Natives and went them too with evil intent.
White racist people can never accept that they stem from African people so, they try to say that earlier hominids were here as male and female and that is just not true!!!
Are you a racist @Michel Montvert[?]--No, I don't completely believe that you are, however, you are a supremacist based on what you are doing here.
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10 minutes ago, Michel Montvert said:
Ok. you've gone over the edge... I am not pushing any "supremacist beliefs". That is offensive and I deserve an apology for that comment.
@Michel Montvert Oh! Where's your evidence to prove against my evidence!? I provided reference from WHITE people!
Now you are trying to interject that I don't respect White people for being positive and worthy scholars. LOL.
16 minutes ago, Michel Montvert said:Science is not tied to "race",
SEE you supremacist go again--LOL! inserting comments to suggest that some else has said something that they really did not say.
I did NOT use the word GENOCIDE, but previously you tried to relay that. I carefully used the word MASSACRE! LOL.
I could have used the phrase genocidal attempt, but my word 'massacre' was sufficient to relay the point that the Europeans did wipe out the Orginal Mayans--AFRICANS.
You can babble on about 'me saying that primitive hominids not having YDNA'-- THERE YOU GO AGAIN, BEING A SUPREMACIST.
I repeatedly responded to you in that I agree that Neanderthals had to have YDNA, because they did reproduce!!!
However, they could NOT produce ANY VIABLE OFFSPRING THAT WAS MALE. The only offspring they could reproduce was either INTERSEXED or FEMALE.
PERIOD!!! Neanderthals came from DENISOVANS and these 'black' hominids were completely extinct while the Neanderthals existed for a long time afterwards.
MY REFERENCE--One would be the Smithsonian!!! GO CHECK IT OUT!
LOL!
22 minutes ago, Michel Montvert said:You really think that racism was a factor in all this? Racism as we know it was not created until the "Age of Exploration", some 500 years ago!
That's bullshit
I hope to present research about the White movement in ancient times.
23 minutes ago, Michel Montvert said:Some of what you say sounds like NOI teaching. You ought to know that their info is 100% bullcrap. Are you aware that the majority of European ancestry did NOT emerge from the Caucasus?
LOL! Okay, I call a truce on this because I don't agree with the NOI teaching. That Pioneer1. He puts out a lot of that belief, not me.
Again, I provided you references and you've not address any of it.
You speak against the late Ivan Van Sertima, and I have given you other references to support him.
the 500 Nations documentary-Kevin Cosner
The Son of the Morning Star [?] book by a Native American
etc.
27 minutes ago, Michel Montvert said:The caves of the Caucasus and all that nonsense. Racist garbage. The Indoeuropeans were from the steppes. There aren't many caves there...
LOL! I agree with you on this one.
That, imo is racist garbage.
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18 minutes ago, Michel Montvert said:
So the Spanish somehow genocided only the African Maya, and left the native ones be? And the evidence? Nothing. It is made up. You see Native Mayans and so have to invent a story to make them black in the past. Never happened. I've seen a lot of old Mayan art, mostly relief sculptures. Never saw anyone depicted who looked African.
You completely skip over the research that I presented and come into a Black community and push your supremacist beliefs about why you feel there were no Africans in ancient America. But hey, people like you can come into any black community because we have been suppressed and feel that we need you to tell us who we are.
You are intitled to tell blacks that all of us came over here on the slave ship after Columbus.
But No, the Olmec stones alone does not prove African presence, and I've said that. I've seen it debunked by natives today that look just like those stone heads and they are definitely not African. In the scholarly world, we need to present references that are valid. I've done that.
And, I've seen the evidence of the original Olmecs and Mayan, in that they were indeed African, your kind of supremacist want us to believe in your lies.
I've provided many resoources to show that the ancient Americans indeed included many NATIVES that were African.
There can be no native Indians without the presence of African males.
And, I will take it a little farther as I hope to share more research on genetics:
After the 3rd and 4th generations of ancient people in the attempt to select traits by inbreeding to become White,
the presence of intersexed births will greatly multiply!!! -- and much more.
Therefore, history keeps repeating itself, in that these kinds of Color Supremacist people will select traits and mate to weed out African traits but keep the desired traits that NEANDERTHALS did not have but when the bad births start to show up, OH NO!!! Then always start migrating and looking for Negroes to infiltrate and reach back and try and mate with any NEGRO THEY CAN FIND--
LOL
to try and fix the bad births, intersexed births, NEANDERTHAL HYBRIDS, retarded births, etc. as a result of trying to breed out Negro blood.
History is going to keep repeating itself, because God knows what he did when he created the African man and woman! God is laughing. He does have a sense of humor.
LOL
So, again, without the presence of Black African males, ALL OF ANCIENT AMERICA WOULD BE INTERSEXED because
the first anatomical straight YDNA individual was AFrican male and from him came ALL OF THE MODERN HUMANS of today.
That is why today, there is a big push for bi-racial unions, and movements to get male births and stop the high rate of female births amongst Europeans.
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11 hours ago, richardmurray said:
the advertisement industry in nigeria is one of the largest if not largest in the continent of africa
Well, this then, is why I believe they did right in regulating the industry.
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Just now, Michel Montvert said:
Obviously neandertals and other hominins also had Y-DNA.
Yes, I agree.
1 minute ago, Michel Montvert said:It is not an OPINION that Natives have certain DNA, including the current Maya. and also it is not an OPINION that the Maya were not wiped out but persist! The Maya I knew were the descendants of those who were there before the Spanish arrived. They were not wiped out.
again, I believe you but the African Mayans were massacred.
1 minute ago, Michel Montvert said:but those who survive were not "replacements", but the survivors of the genocide. Genocide rarely kills everyone in a group. There are still Jews and Roma despite Hitler.
I agree.
2 minutes ago, Michel Montvert said:It is an insult to Native people and their cultures to claim they're all replacements for someone else... really not acceptable.
No, it's an insult that you completely disregard me in that I told you I have Native American ancestry and so does my husband.
Also, my son had a ancestry test--YES!!! lol.
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20 minutes ago, Michel Montvert said:
The Maya were NOT killed off. They are still here. The same people. If they had been of African type and replaced by the current ones, then where did these current Maya come from?
@Michel Montvert You completely skip over the references that I left. LOL.
I SAID THE MAYANS YOU MENTION, I believe you BUT they definitely came from A BLACK AFRICAN ORIGIN.
I LEFT REFERENCES, you skipped over
500 Nations Documentary--Kevin Cosner
Duke University Museum
NC STATE Fine Arts Museum
Again, I have a degree in science-- BIOLOGY!!!
LOL. I studied GENETICS! Yes, I don't believe the others that you stated along with Clyde Winters. I don't believe them one bit.
The evidence you put about NATIVE AMERICAN DNA--all of the haplogroups and how you feel they should look like-- is your opinion!
NOT FACT BASED AT ALL. If you don't want to believe the Original Mayans and etc. were massacred, it's your opinion.
ALL OF THE HAPLOGROUPS YOU STATED ARE OUT OF AFRICA. Anyway, here are some references:
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Y-DNA HAPLOGROUPS OF ALL MODERN HUMANS
Y-chromosomal Adam is the name given by researchers to the patrilineal
most recent common ancestor of all living humans at the root of
this tree. Estimates of the date when Y-chromosomal Adam lived have varied
significantly in different studies.
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*MN [My Note]--This is NOT coming from Biblical records.
Scientist use the 'informal term BASAL-A for 'Adam'
but the dates of the secular research varies from the Biblical Adam.
However, the secular research on the Y-DNA correlates to the Bible.
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Navigating the yDNA haplotree
The Human yDNA haplotree starts with
"yDNA Adam" at the base. He is the
paternal ancestor of all known humans.
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*MN-- So, there are the A0, A00, A1bi... and what this means is that this A HAPLOGROUP reflects more than one male, however, it is the oldest haplogroup, and the earliest A-group would have a specific DNA MARK on the Y-chromosome that has not mutated. All of the A-Group BASAL Mark would be on ALL OTHER HAPLOGROUPS located as the BASE of their chromosomes THAT IS WHY IT IS CALLED BASAL-A. But the other haplogroups [except for BT] mutated and these marks show up on their chromosomes.
THE MALE YDNA is very stable from father to son.
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Archaeogenetics
In 2017, researchers successfully sequenced DNA from soil samples taken from Stratum III at El Sidron. They were able to identify Neanderthal mtDNA sequences …
The first sequencing of the Neanderthal Y-chromosome was successfully completed from a specimen from Sidron Cave. [17] . . . The Sidron Cave Y chromosome had never been identified before from other fossil hominin specimens and is not found in modern humans. [17]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidr%C3%B3n_Cave
*My Note: These Neanderthal fragments in the El Sidon cave as actually said to have been found in 1994. It was stated that there was not enough material to test. So, another technique was used to try and reconstruct the Y-chromosome and then compared it to modern human chromosomes. Because scientists believe that modern humans interbred with Neanderthals, a process called INTROGRESSION was used whereby information from modern YDNA was used so genetic material was transferred to the material from the Neanderthal
AS YOU CAN SEE, ALL OF THE HAPLOGROUPS YOU MENTIONED ARE
OUT OF AFRICA!!!
lol.
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3 hours ago, Cynique said:
I remember reading or hearing somewhere about 4 or 5 years ago that Greek(?) scientists had discovered humanoid remains in their country that were as old as or older than Lucy and had different DNA from hers. Was this ever disputed or proven?
I have not read about it but, I would be interested to know. When I visited the Smithsonian, I did see Lucy in the exhibit but it was a few years ago. So, if this find is valid, it will probably be information that will be added. The mtDNA research is more complex than the male haplogroups because the Y-DNA can be traced with 99.99 percent accuracy from father to son.
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On 9/1/2022 at 6:15 PM, Michel Montvert said:
But... all humans on earth trace back to Africa! There are not only one male to whom all human DNA can be traced, nor only one female. But all such people would have to be in Africa, obviously, to have been ancestral to all humans.
@Michel Montvert Yes, this is true and I have many times provided references many times.
All MODERN HUMANS STEM FROM JUST ONE AFRICAN MALE INDIVIDUAL.
ALL OF THE INTERNATIONAL SCIENCE COMMUNITY AGREES ON THIS. IT IS A FACT.
ALL MODERN HUMANS STEM FROM JUST ONE AFRICAN INDIVIDUAL and this report was published, I believe in 2012, however, all of the scientific internation organizations agreed on this in 2008. It took them until 2012 to finally publish. It's hard for most of the non-White world to accept this, but eventually, they're going to have to, because it is confirmed. Now, I will point you to the resource; this GENOME PROJECT was headed up in STANFORD UNIVERSITY.
ALL MALE HAPLOGROUPS HAVE JUST ONE ORIGIN!!!!
Now, this is NOT the same for the mtDNA. The mtDNA of females CAN be traced much farther back in time and there are more than one individual origins.
So, I will say it again, if there were NO AFRICAN MALES IN ANCIENT NORTH AMERICA, then all Native Americans would be either females or intersexed.
On 9/1/2022 at 6:15 PM, Michel Montvert said:They arrived in America probably some 25k years ago, which is at least 35k years after their ancestors had left Africa. They had changed considerably, and had new evolved DNA markers which were not present in Africa
Nothing prior to the modern anatomically straight YDNA haplogroups were males, only intersexed. So the primitive hominids that you refer to were not modern humans at all. Were they here on earth, absolutely, but they were not anatomically straight males with any YDNA haplogroups of any modern males today.
On 9/1/2022 at 6:15 PM, Michel Montvert said:I was among the Maya and yes they are generally quite dark, but their features are nothing like those of Africans. I have a Cambodian friend who is also as dark as the Maya, and she isn't African either. Plenty of Eurasians had and have dark skin. They evolved to have a skin color which suited their environment.
Then theyse Mayans were not the original ones then, because many of the original Mayans that were killed off, were definitely African-typed. The ones you speak of, I would not disagree in that they are Mayan though.
On 9/1/2022 at 6:15 PM, Michel Montvert said:But... there is no history which shows Africans in America! Nor Chinese! We need solid evidence. DNA, human remains. cultural traits, crops... something!
i have given you the facts. Now, were the early American Indians intersexed--absolutely. There is no such presence of anatomically straight malefactors defined as Native Americans prior to the presence of African males. NONE!!!
On 9/1/2022 at 6:15 PM, Michel Montvert said:They also were analyzed and are 100% Native American.
Then they would not have any haplo-groups. They'd be intersexed.
On 9/1/2022 at 6:15 PM, Michel Montvert said:There are many Youtube videos, notably by a guy named de Montellano, which debunk all of this easily.
I don't ascribe to this either. The Olmec heads, I believe they were African, but I've seen this debunked based on just the depictions of the stone heads.
There needs to be publications, references as well.
On 9/1/2022 at 6:15 PM, Michel Montvert said:But I have listened to such as David Imhotep, Runuoko Rashidi, Clyde Winters, etc., and can easily debunk their "everyone was once really black" claims.
Clyde Winters, I believe was the one from Illinois college that was debunked on the Olmecs, I vaguely remember. and the others you mentioned I know of too and you are wrong. Their statements preceded the Scientific International community completely.
ALL MODERN MANKIND STEMS FROM ONE INDIVIDUAL, ONE AFRICAN MALE INDIVIDUAL.
ALL MALE HAPLO GROUPS STEM FROM THIS ONE MALE.
Prior to this, the Neanderthals were all intersexed or females.
To date, there is absolutely NO YDNA found of Neanderthals. NONE.
Their DNA is compared with primates because there is NO Y-DNA extracted from any samples to date.
They were obviously reproducing, however, NO ANATOMICALLY STRAIGHT MALES EXIST.
NONE.
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On 8/30/2022 at 12:19 PM, ProfD said:
Unfortunately, for a thousand years and counting, Africans haven't been overly interested in closing its borders to foreigners.
This seems true, but I just don't understand why. Why don't African people unify and close their borders or at least regulate them and be more conservative.
But then too, I am pessimistic.
I don't believe that even for the few that I believe do try to unify and stop foreign domination, I don't believe that they will ever succeed as a whole.
They will always be outnumbered by the Africans that are obssessed with non-African countries and have a lot of self-hate.
For the few that are grateful to exist as they are, African, they will have to wait on a higher power. Don't misunderstand me @ProfDI strongly believe as you do, that Black people should defend and fight back, but I also believe that we should accept the reality that more Blacks are obssessed with White people and will fight you back harder than White people to be submissive under White Supremacy.
14 hours ago, Michel Montvert said:Of course, as always, my opinion is that we ought to all unite around all of this injustice. Many fingers, one fist, and all that... but I'm a naive idealist, apparently.
Yes, I too believe in this too @Michel Montvertbut I am a little pessimistic that it will happen anytime soon, to the point that it will be affective.
I think it is too much dissention in the midst and those of us who want to bond togehter and stop the top government from oppressing us as masses will always be undercutted by someone who will sellout. This really frustrates me.
And then, when it comes to Black people, we have always been the security to be on the bottom, no matter what and opportunist can join our fight and then when things start to improve, it seems Black people get left behind. As I mention to you in another thread, my late father-in-law is Native American, and although I love him dearly and I knew he loved me and his son, my husband, however, the fashion in which he exploited Black people is unbelievable. The American Indians were not able to organize AIM until AFTER AAM.
But evenstill, I am not usually the kind of person that worries about sellouts, if I feel a cause is just, I don't care who jumps, in, imo, they are in. if they sellout, I will roll with the punches... until humanity gets better or I die with that hope.
Now, I don't believe things will change without help from a higher power, but I'm all in on doing my part until that kind of help comes.
9 hours ago, ProfD said:I wonder why White folks aren't complaining about their socioeconomic conditions instead of trying to overturn elections and worrying non-white folks stealing their stolen country.
LOL. True!
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On 8/24/2022 at 8:15 PM, Michel Montvert said:
"Everyone pays attention to cops treating black people badly but they treat us badly also, as do the Courts. If you're white and POOR being white doesn't help you much." Ok, that's true from their perspective. I believe that being white still they are being treated less badly than blacks are treated, on the average. But the point stands. that they are being abused.
so true @Michel Montvert This system definitely benefitted from setting up caste system however, it amazes me how the prisons are also filled with White people and sometimes, I think their issues are silenced. Just recently a video went viral and all over the world about a police beating and it was a White man.
It is so bad, that I cannot watch it. but this is one video:
The Two Pains Of Racism
in Culture, Race & Economy
Posted
Yes.
They try to make it seem like 'you're imagining something that is not true'. Someone wrote about this in the past.
It's referred to as 'the invisible man/woman syndrome whereby racist people completely ignore you, dismiss you and write you out of script.
This was deliberate and many young Black kids are now aware of it and feel lost in the classroom when the teacher consistently ignores you when you raise your hand to respond to something. But when she does pick you to respond, she then goes into this sadistic act of shaming you for having the wrong response.
It's crazy. But many Black people are seriously affected by this issue, more than we may realize.
However, this type of conditioning has made me very angry and sometimes, I have to stress down and not put this act on all White people.