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Thank you @Delano ! Exactly! This was the very term I was thinking about. The root word 'ASTRO' in words like Astronomy, Astrology, Astrophysicist and etc. all stem from the word 'STAR' and, as you wrote, the term 'astrology' and 'astronomy' are interchangeable. I thought that I made that clear when I first posted. I believe that the Western World has done a lot to bring confusion in how the Old World used the term 'STAR' to refer to various 'astronomical bodies' or 'celestial bodies' and even today, this can still be the sterm used 'STAR' to refer to certain events. As I said the planetarium show THE STAR OF BETHLEHEM refers to THE PLANETS and the famous TRIPLE CONJUNCTION of the planets JUPITER, SATURN, AND MARS, that occurred about 2000 years ago and again in April of 2002. Today, we understand the definition of 'planets' but this was the same understanding thousands of years ago, and still it was defined as 'wandering stars', 'moving star's, or 'planets'-- --The term 'star' and 'planet' was used interchangeably! Likewise, we know the distinction between 'meteor storm', 'falling star' and 'star' as meaning FIXED STAR, however, even today, the terms are used interchangeably. But the Western world as specifically defined 'STAR' as only meaning 'FIXED STAR' and its definition at times, but they too, refer to the Old Word defintion of 'star' as meaning specific 'astronomical bodies' because the science of stars is ever changing... UNIVERSITY OF CHAPEL HILL MOREHEAD PLANETARIUM Show ever years-- Morehead Planetarium retires "Star of Bethlehem," starts new holiday concert series Tags: Activities, holiday season Posted November 20, 2011 https://www.wral.com/morehead-planetarium-retires-star-of-bethlehem-starts-new-holiday-concert-series/10284597/ As I stated, this 'Star of Bethlehem' Planetarium Show about the TRIPLE CONJUNCTION of the planets, Jupiter, mars and Saturn, was stated to be the LONGEST RUNNING SHOW IN THE WORLD and ran for over 50 years across the world. I saw the one at UNC but it has closed. Along with this show in North Carolina, there were two others in America, in Texas and in Pennsylvania planetariums. Because of this show being featured across the globe, this phenomena cannot be completely ignored here, in America, however, they have done a good job of keeping this completely out of the educational systems! Again, I understand the confusion today, in specifically defining 'planets' as NOT being 'a star' however, this is no different than the ancient times too. Just as in the past, the term 'moving star' is specifically defining 'a planet'. The term 'star' is defined even today in context and can really have a more specific definition other than a fixed star that gives off it's own light. And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. ST MARK 13:25. [We know that 'falling stars' mean METEORS just as they did in ancient times.] Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever. ST JUDE 1:13. [And we know that the reference to 'wandering stars' correlates to planets today as they knew in ancient times] And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven. … 2 KINGS 23:5. [And so, the priest-scientist in the past knew about planets being specifically distinct from 'a fixed star' just as we do today] There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. 1 CORINTHIANS 15:41. [And here, is the full reference showing that the ancient scribes knew the distinction of certain 'stars' they saw in the sky] one star differeth from another star Again, as these ancient script references do show, the term 'PLANET' was known as well as the actual definition of planets being 'wandering stars' and 'moving stars'. The term 'star' in context can define a specific kind of 'celestial body' or ASTRONOMICAL BODY.

I don't know @Pioneer1 but, I think that this is a bigger picture than what we are seeing over here in America. I do agree that we have to blame ourselves for this but also, the Colonial Movement has a lot to play in what has happened in Africa. How can people be so famished over there when the massive TRADE EXPEDITIONS have taken place over there? Africa is in the sun belt and for this reason, it has produced a wealth of substance. It is like the bread basket for the world. So, if African people have been duped into being 'a third world' class, this is a serious paradox.

@Pioneer1 I NEVER LAUGHED SO HARD! LOL. WHEW! I think I would have called back and complained too. I hate having to toss my food and after spending money. But, I've done it more than once! Yes, I agree. As a Navy Brat, I have found that many Phlipino people love Soul Food. Oh yes! @Troy Really!? I didn't know this! Okay, I have another FAMOUS SOUL FOOD RESTAURANT that I have been wanting to visit: It's called SWEETIE PIE'S and this is the one thing I regret not being able to visit when I lived in St. Louis, Missouri for a short time. I drove by the small cafe located on FLORISSANT Street by accident when I was actually looking for the restaurant that was located downtown. I was given the wrong directions. And, as i drove about a mile or two down Florissant and decided to make a U-turn, I suddenly realized that I was in another 'infamous area'!!! I was turning around in a parking lot directly across from a convenience store called FERGUSON MARKET and when I got home and youtubed it-- Well, It was the very Ferguson market that MICHAEL BROWN went to before he took off running down the street and was later shot and killed! I couldn't believe it! I also passed by the QT convenience stor on that same street that was the place where people later marched and demonstrated. I was so shocked to stumble across this historic street and had no idea until after I got home, where I had driven. i think maybe, the owner of Sweetie Pie may have started out in this area before she opened up her famous restaurant downtown. This restaurant is so famous that people actually travel from across America to visit and, people wait in long lines outside just to be seated. The owner, Robbie, was once a background singer for Tina Turner. SWEETIE PIE'S SOUL FOOD RESTAURANT I heard that there has been a lot of legal problems that occurred recentely and the owner was filed suit against by her son. But however, she became so well known that other restaurants were supposed to have opened up in other states. @Pioneer1 You've given me a reason to want to visit Detroit! I would love to sample Steve's Soul Food and Bean's and Cornbread!

Where is the Nearest Soul Food Restaurant in your Community? Sometimes, when I get in the mood for Soul Food, I will try again and again to find a restaurant in my community, but all the while I am searching, I know that I won’t! It has been so frustrating! I reminisce back years ago when I lived in Durham, North Carolina when I would love to go to this one famous restaurant and indulge. It was called Pan Pans. But even before I left Durham, that restaurant had closed down. I remember when it was located nearest Highway 85 nearest a hub of hotels and how it was always jam packed with people, but nevertheless, I was always able to be seated rather quickly and the food was always fresh and good. But the owner soled his restaurant and opened up a smaller place in the nearby shopping mall, which even though, I think he was pressured to do, I know it was a good decision. That older restaurant seem to become in need of repair and the restrooms were too small imo. However, the restaurant in the Northgate Mall seemed to be even smaller! But worse, was that the owner later soled this restaurant to Orientals and eventually, the food was terrible. I stopped going because the last time I went, I ended up getting sick and had to go to the emergency room! And, although it may not have been the food from the restaurant that made me sick, the food looked bad imo. And the ratings became terrible. I finally heard too, that restaurant closed permanently! So then at times, I would drive for two hours to Virginia to another restaurant in a small town and this one never let me down! It was called Carolina Barbecue and oh Man!—it was so good! But guess what!? The building recently burned down! So then, I have decided to do some research and see if there are other Soul Food restaurants around these days. After reading comments from a recent thread here, I decided to list some restaurants that I would like to visit one day. I was surprised not to find any nearby places in Maryland! Where I was at the time, I searched and searched and had to resort to trying to cook some soul food myself! For the first time, I made me some Pigs’ Feet!—And it cane out really good, so good that my eyeballs almost rolled back in my head. LOL! I’m the only one in my family that loves this kind of soul food. LOL—and yeah, I’m from the north! I don’t know what is wrong with these people around me! I know there are some soul food restaurants that serve Fried Chicken and maybe Collard greens and ‘call it a day’ but, I believe that a good Soul Food restaurant should also serve foods like Chitterlings, sweet potatoes, black-eyed peas and etc. And, in my experience, Black Americans are by far, not the only people that love Soul Food. I remember one year, I decided to go to Golden Corral for Thanksgiving Dinner for the first time because I did not feel like cooking, and well, the Collard Greens tasted awful and, they ran out quickly. Thankfully, standing in front of me was a White woman, and she went **** off! LOL! She started fussing out loud! She ranted that there was not fatback in the Collard Greens and they had the nerve to run out! LOL! I was so happy she told the cooks a thing-or-two! And then at one time, I too, had to tell the cook how I felt at another store. I used to love to go to the Whole Foods Store near Duke University and buy from the buffet because at times, they would prepare some wonderful Soul Food, but this one time, they served Collard Greens and I had to throw them away—and they were expensive. They were labeled, ‘Southern styled Collard Greens’ however, they were seasoned with, well, I don’t know, but it was horrible. So, after a few visits, I just could not take it anymore, so I knocked on the back door and asked to speak to the chef. Well, a very nice Hispanic man came out and he said that he was ‘the head chef’ and, I thought, “Uh Oh, I don’t know how this is going to turn out”, but anyway, I laid into him! I pointed at the label and told him that “this is NOT Southern styled Collard Greens!” I had my hands on my hips, and I looked at him like--- Well, I said, “Come on now…” He dropped his head and started laughing. And then he said, “Look, come back Thursday, I promise you, I will get it right. I promise you will like it.” LOL, I started laughing too. And I said, “Alright now. You got me?” He said, “Yes, I got you.” And, he was right. He got it right! By the time I got there, two days later on Thursday, I almost missed the pan—it was almost sold out! WHEW! So anyway, I thought it would be good to list some Soul Food Restaurants across America that seem to have a good rating and/or a good history or at least at one time or another. I not visited any Soul Food Restaurants in Sanford, Florida but I see a really good listing for one! And then too, I see a lot of places that have closed down. So sad. But because of the history, I think it may be good to list them too. There is an upcoming Soul Food Festival in Central Florida! _________________________________________________________________________________________________________ This Soul Food Restaurant is in SAnford Florida and it has good ratings. CAROLINA BARBECUE!!! --Sadly the building burned down! Emporia, Virgina Pan Pans--at Northgate Mall, Durham, NC-- CLOSED DOWN Pan Pans in Northgate Mall

@Troy Oh Gosh, thank you for this jolt. I think I need to do better here; so, I have gotten some quotes to better understand myself. Also, thank you @Delano for you post on the 'ancient definition of planets being defined as 'wandering stars'. I think that though, our educational system does not care to better define how terms are used 'generally' in the past and how they are more detailed today. So now, I see the detailed definition of 'star' as it applies to 'the sun' and the 'planets' that rotate around our 'sun star'. I see the detailed definition of our satellite (moon) being a part of our sun system. And I see and better understand the definition of 'SHOOTING STARS' [ie FALLING STARS] in that this term is not really defining 'a star'', however, this is just a general term used to describe 'A METEOR STORM'! _________________________________________________________________ Motion in the Heavens: Stars, Sun, Moon, Planets Motion of the Planets Since ancient times it has been known that five of the "stars" moved across the sky: Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. They were termed "planets" which simply means wanderers. Are their paths in the starry vault also related to the ecliptic? The answer is yes. They all stay within 8 degrees of the ecliptic, and in fact this is the definition of the Zodiac: the band of sky within eight degrees of the ecliptic, and for this reason. http://galileoandeinstein.physics.virginia.edu/lectures/starry~1.html Ptolemy was influential with his heavily mathematical work, The Almagest, which attempts to explain the peculiarity of stars that the moved. These "wandering stars", planets, moved across the background of fixed stars which were spread along a sphere surrounding encompassing the universe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed_stars A "falling star" or a "shooting star" has nothing at all to do with a star! These amazing streaks of light you can sometimes see in the night sky are caused by tiny bits of dust and rock called meteoroids falling into the Earth's atmosphere and burning up. ... Meteors are commonly called falling stars or shooting stars. What causes a "falling star"? - StarChild - NASA Comets are some of the material left over from the formation of the planets. Our entire solar system, including comets, was created by the collapse of a giant, diffuse cloud of gas and dust about 4.6 billion years ago. How did comets form? - HubbleSite - Reference Desk - FAQs _____________________________________________________ So, then my conclusion is that the ancient 'translation' and terminology used as WANDERING STAR [ie Planets] or MOVING STAR [Planets] and also SHOOTING STARS [METEORS] OR FALLING STARS [METEORS] are not explained today, in that this term 'STAR' was relative, so therefore, people may not understand ancient scripts. However, I feel that these references should help to better understand. So too, @Pioneer1, even though the ancient scriptures and the Biblical description of 'a moving star' in that the star was observed to move definitely describes A PLANET, however, it may not be believe as such because of today's TECHNICAL DEFINITION OF THE WORD 'STAR' is not made plain in how it was defined with the adjective 'MOVING' or 'WANDERING' to actually mean a planet. And likewise, as I showed in the reference, ancient people did term the planets as 'stars'. The ancient Romans were STAR WORSHIPERS and their most supreme worship of THE PLANET JUPITER is what sums them up to the point that they constructed their major temples and named them after these 'PLANETS'; the TEMPLE of JUPITER, the temple MERCURY [ie SATURN'; their Treasury temple], thier temple VENUS and etc. and they have major festivals that revolve around these 'ancient stars'.

@Troy Yes, that was the norm for a long time, but what I have been hearing for the past few years from some people is that things have changed a little. I heard that after former president Obama came to office, now women are penalized heavily in certain ways. I heard that somehow, the government has forced them to have to get a job even while the babies are young and somehow they are penalized if they have a certain number of children. @Pioneer1 This is depressing. But I knew this would happen and years back when I refuted this issue of Black children being adopted by non-Blacks, I was severely admonished by BLack women. But now, I see this all the time, BLack children with non-Black and homosexual parents! The conditioning that will occur to these Black adopted children will soon manifest and then, I guess the government will put another 'Black' 'person' up on the ballot for the vote... so they can blame us Black folk for these societal outcomes in a few decades. smh. I think it was last year that the news reported two White lesbian parents who had adopted a lot of Black children and they drove off a California cliff in a Thelma and Louise suicide ending of their lives. All but one of the children were finally found and so, it was determined that the two women and all of the children were in the vehicle. The lab reports revealed that the two women and all of children were all given high doses of Benadryl. Shortly before this happened, some of the older children had ran to a neighbor in the night asking for help and said that they were being starved, so the social services began an initial investigation. So sad.

@Pioneer1 Hilarious! Oh yes! I can smell the bacon in my brain right now! I can taste the corn bread in my mind right now! That is SOOOoooo interesting what you wrote about Southern Italy and the Italians in Detroit and Canada.

@Pioneer1 definitely. One of the big ills of segregation. I don't know about this, however, I think we would have made a better attempt at it than this government but, I don't think it would have been a complete job.

OMG! You're kidding!

I hope you come back!!! Love you much!!!

You know, I'm indifferent about this subject. I see both sides of this argument and both sides have valid points but, I believe that it would be crazy wrong to force a woman by a law to 'not hava an abortion' for certain reasons especially--rape. I don't feel that promiscuous behavior should be ignored though. If people produce 'a pregnancy' through being irresponsible and selfish and, then decide to have an abortion, I think that is wrong, but then, what should the government do? HOw can this kind of abortion be regulated? What if a child is born from this kind of situation and learns that their parent(s) didn't want them? How many births have occurred just because of convenience but not our of desire? Some people want children but others only have children out of selfish reasons, so does that mean that these unwanted births will cause problems in the world? I think I was born due to selfish reasons, but HEY!-- I'm glad that I was born and not aborted though. I am happy to have a 'chance at life'! I blame big government too, for a lot of unwanted births. There was a time when this government, in particular, wanted Black women to give birth to as many slave children as they could, but now, things have changed. This government never wanted Black children for humanitarian reasons, as a whole, so, what is the difference today? I think Black children need to be born, but the government needs to be responsible about their part too, in bringing about a positive development of the Black child which means cultural development and a better education system as well. That's the problem imo, this government will not fund these to two big wammies, that would help. Oh yeah, and good paying jobs...

@Pioneer1 Yes, me too! I am wondering is part of this due to a push for more healthier food? Maybe some people believe Soul Food is unhealthy. I don't think it is unhealthy anymore that other kinds of food, but I wonder if there is a movement to stop eating Soul Food for this reason. I think Italian food has also gotten a bad rap, but people still love it and there are still restaurants around. And then, there may be other reason for the lack of Soul Food restaurants such as economy.

I took the survey.

So for now, what I am sharing is ancient events that are connected to certain star phenomena such as the rare TRIPLE CONJUCTION that occurred when the planet Saturn first came into orbit. You have to imagine a periwinkle sky around 6:00 PM when the 'almost full moon' is visible and then there are two 'dull yellow' planet stars nearby the moon, Jupiter and Mars, STRAIGHT UP OVERHEAD. This is part of the re-enactment shown in planetariums. Planets look like a dull yellow tiny ball with the exception of Mars. Then all of a sudden, another star [moving star] seems to come out of the dark sky and moves FAST!!! Then the NEW MOVING STAR comes very close to the other 2 stars and then, because stars show RETROGRADE. One star appears to MOVE BACKWARDS... But actually, the planet Saturn is moving so fast, it causes Jupiter to appear to be moving backwards. Finally, the fast moving, incoming star SEEMS TO STOP MOVING!!!-- And, the 2 stars along with this new star show a TRIANGLE PATTERN near the moon.-- TRIPLE CONJUNCTION. In actuality, the tree stars are in a straight alignment and they are on their OWN PLANE. Each of these stars have their own unique system! The planet Jupiter has its on moons!!! And imagine that when Saturn moved into orbit our solar system, it also came with its own moons!!! Amazing!!! Not only did the planet Saturn come into our orbit, but at some distant point, the planet Jupiter, Mars, EArth, and etc. moved into position to become a part of this SOLAR SYSTEM. And, ancient people wrote about these happenings. Today, we have to sift through mythology and facts to try and better understand... The modern planet Uranus MARKED HISTORY around the AD 1600s when it was FIRST RECOGNIZED. So, it marks certain historical periods such as the age of Exploration, and when telescopes were advanced, and etc. I love this stuff!! It is so fascinating to me! === COMET OF 1811 By Guillemin, after Smyth - Amedee Guillemin, The Heavens (London 1886), Public Domain, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=7274366 The Great Comet of 1811, drawn by William Henry Smyth, from Amédée Guillemin's The Heavens The Great Comet of 1811,[1] formally designated C/1811 F1, is a comet that was visible to the naked eye for around 260 days, a record it held until the appearance of Comet Hale–Bopp in 1997. In October 1811, at its brightest, it displayed an apparent magnitude of 0, with an easily visible coma. @Pioneer1 LOL okay, this is good! This question is relavent to who is doing the writing. A priest-scientist or an unlearned person? Also, it depends on the magnitude of the celestial event or star configuration, being important enough to cause people to MARK it in connection with something that is also important happening on earth. For example; Let's say an ancient ruler of Egypt is having a Sed Festival for ruling for 30 years, and at this time too, there happened to be A METEOR STORM that actually strikes the earth! Then, you would probably read ancient recordings of this meteor storm in, not only ancient Egypt records, but other civilizations of those times may have their own record systems and smart people to write books and record that meteor storm. But in Egypt, it would also be marked by a particular ruler and a sed festival too. Some ancient people may not have recognized certain celestial events as being all that important as others. For example, i've read the ancient DOGON priest were wise men who knew how to read signs in the sky and so, their records may help to date certain time periods when they lived. Certain celestial events helped to synchronize ancient calendars and such. THE DOG STAR I can't remember this one for sure, right off hand, but I think this star position in the sky and it's movement relative with the constellations and or revolving earth, is how the Egyptians MARKED THEIR CALENDARS EVERY YEAR in order to prepare the the Nile flooding! It was so precise that they could predict with accuracy when the floods would occur. At one poing, it appears very low on the horizon and near to a certain constellation, and this signals something. And once it appears just above the horizon, it marks a 70 day period of intense heat and no rain...

@Troy Thank you!!! That is what I am trying to convey!

@Pioneer1 This may be a relative statement. It depends on who is looking at the star configurations, at what level of understanding do certain people have regarding being able to recognize star configurations, and if there is a significant occurrence like THE TRIPLE CONJUNCTION. A few days ago, or nights, as I was driving, I thought about this topic when I saw the moon and nearby a large star. It was so beautiful. That triple conjuction that occurred about 2000 years ago and then again in 2002, was also written to be MARKED by 'an almost FULL MOON', a WANING MOON. You see, Pioneer, that was rare happening. Another rare happening would be SUPERNOVAS. One today that can be seen, if my memory serves me right would be THE PLEAIDIES [sp?]. This 7 cluster of stars located near another MARK is said to be the result of some kind of supernova in ancient times. Another MARK would be the AD 1066 COMET, I think HALEY'S comet that was marked by certain ancient people all over the world. This event marks certain historical events such as what was going on with the NORSEMEN, and the kind of Native Americans in Southwest North America, the ones who marked this comet, and etc. This Halleys comet, I think was MARKED about 2000 years ago too, and was mistaken by some ancient scribes to be 'the star of bethlehem' or something like that, but it later was proven scientifically, that the comet came in the month of JANUARY and was visible for a few months and then moved out of view. Comets [stars] have a specific description. Then there are the famous METEOR STORMS, [ie. falling stars, shooting stars or etc.] that also have been known to MARK HISTORICAL TIME events. Certain historical meteor storms have a specific description as they are, i think, said be from some kind of comet [?] and based on certain constellations when they can be seen, they are named. I saw one in NOVEMBER 2001-- THE LEONIDS, because this meteor storm marks the constellation LEO, and it marks the HISTORICAL TIME of the recent 911 TWIN TOWERS CATASTROPHE that occuured 2 months prior. I can keep going on and on, and perhaps, I will when I can think of other events, to hopefully help you understand how star configurations have been recorded to MARK HISTORICAL EVENTS on earth and etc. THE COMET OF 1812 This coment was seen and recorded by many and is believed to be what led to the WAR OF 1812-- 2nd WAR OF INDEPENDENCE It marks this historical time of the WAR OF 1812 [ie Madison's War]. A few weeks prior to the appearance of this comet, in December of 1811, there was a violent earthquake that later was thought to be on a 9 ricter scale. the after shocks continued through the month of January 1812. The comet appeared sometime at this point and was seen for months. NOVEMBER--------- the 9th Month------ NOVA MONTH------ NEW YEAR At some point in the distant time, this month NOVEMBER became A NEW YEAR and it was said to be due to a METEOR STORM and is what eventually led to the Roman New Year of January and later being a time when FIREWORKS were displayed to mark the new year.

yes!!! @Pioneer1 Yes!!! The term 'Star Worshippers' in connection with the ancient Romans and their worship of Jupiter, Mars and other bodies in the sky is common knowledge, but like you, many people are not making the correlation to the fact that Jupiter is regarded as 'a star'!-- MOVING STAR. @Delano Yes, thank you.

@Pioneer1 That's Powerful!-- Brother!

@Pioneer1 I read this the other day and been wanting to comment! I am just popping in for a little today--too busy-- But I tell you, I feel you on this one!!! I have a lot to say about this! My family gives me a hard time being from the north, but I was indoctrinated on my culture when I was young so, I love soul food, and have become frustrated for not being able to find a 'sit down' place near by, that really, really, really serves SOUL FOOD!

@Pioneer1 I have answered your question by addressing 'THE ROMAN EMPIRE' times when this TRIPLE CONJUNCTION was written to have occurred. I wrote that other ancient civilizations have recorded this TRIPLE CONJUNCTION of Jupiter, Mars and Saturn, and therefore, regarding THE ROMAN EMPIRE, most people accept that this TRIPLE CONJUNCTION marks history about the Romans, but not about the Hebrews or Jesus. Regarding, THE ROMAN EMPIRE, many other civiilizations acknowledge their leaders existed and their government existed, but for some reason, Black people don't doubt this, but however, they doubt that some angry indigenous Negroes became hostile about being TAXED by the Romans and etc. BLack people don't doubt the life of Julius Caesar or Cleopatra, but they dismiss the history of the Hebrews and etc. So, yes, it comes donw to 'belief' and being conditioned by our education system to believe in the Romans and 'White Jesus' but pretty much, --that's it! The idea that the Romans had Negro people that opposed their system is completely refuted by most Black people today, like youself. The idea that Jesus could have been a Negro that walked 'only' amongst his own people is rejected by most Black people today, IMO because we visualize what we are trained to view.

@Pioneer1 LOL, I explained it in detail, in scientific terminology, and therefore, I suppose this as pect is beyond you understanding for now. I explained that planetariums across the world, college planetariums feature this TRIPLE CONJUNCTION that I wrote about, LOL, but you are not understanding. You do not understand how even today, stars are used for travel; how ancient indians and sailors used certain stars to trek! LOL! There is no such phenomena of any star 'coming down to erath-star'!!! LOL Stars do not have to 'COME DOWN' to be able to use their movements in order to make maps, or make sea expeditions. Pioneer, the ancient man knew about 'the composition of a compass' and had instruments as well.

@Delano I agree in that "Beth" means "house" although, I did not know from which language! Yes, I alos agree and have read that in Hebrew each letter has a numeric value. Thank you! I read your post and all of that is interesting. And I hope to better understand 'Aramic' basis of scriptures and etc. @Pioneer1 You are so wrong! I have a degree in science and have taught science. The word 'STAR' means 'a planet'! The word 'STAR' also means 'THE SUN' in the scientific world! A 'star' is the definition of 'the sun', 'the moon', the MOVING STAR [ie planets], 'COMET' and etc! PLANETS are defined today and in the distant past as being MOVING STARS. The moon is defined to be 'A SATELLITE STAR' ... This has always been the scientific language! There are so, so, som many distinct types of stars in the universe and various ones have a distinct defintion! I guess one way to maybe correlate the term 'STAR' could be like a word 'HUMAN' or 'HOMO SAPIEN'; in that there are many different adjectives to define humans, some are 'primitive homo sapiens', some are called 'Home Erectus', some are called 'modern homo sapiens', some are specifically defined as being European, or African, or etc.... Even the scriptures define the term 'STAR' as meaning various types of bodies in the universe with various distinctions. This is a common understanding in the science world in tht MOVING STARS is another term for PLANETS!!!

OH YES, ... Before I forget to CLARIFY this... NASA reference: It takes Saturn almost 29-1/2 years to revolve once around you are in Saturn years? https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/edu/pdfs/jss_minibook_introducing-saturn.pdf It's been years since I've looked through a telescope to view the planet Saturn, but this is one pic that I remember seeing the MOVING STAR looking like; Yes, and note the DATING of this following reference of Universe Today link: APRIL 17, 2017 BY MATT WILLIAMS The Orbit of Saturn. How Long is a Year on Saturn? With an average orbital speed of 9.69 km/s, it takes Saturn 29.457 Earth years (or 10,759 Earth days) to complete a single revolution around the Sun. In other words, a year on Saturn lasts about as long as 29.5 years here on Earth. ... https://www.universetoday.com/44172/how-long-does-it-take-saturn-to-orbit-the-sun/ Why is 29.5 years 1 year on Saturn? https://www.quora.com/Why-is-29-5-years-1-year-on-Saturn Oh yes, in terms of miles, the planet Saturn is about 888 million miles from the sun. Okay; ... ancient scripture reference; And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,… st luke 3.23. ------------------- So, based on these references, it seems to me that His Star followed him! -- from a swaddling babe in a manger [ie trough] to a young child... to a grown man about 30 years old and then to his public execution... CLARIFICATION: The scripture references Jesus at about 30, at the time when he presented himself at the PASSOVER FESTIVAL and this is the key to dating and time and the scientist today, who do NOT CLARIFY their discrepancies on PISCES, ARIES, and AQUARIUS during the TRIPLE CONJUNCTION OF the planets JUPITER, MARS and SATURN!!! At 29 1/2 at the FEAST OF PASSOVER, Jesus would have been present on his cousin, John-the-Baptist B-day! However, 2 months later, Jesus was born during the FEAST OF TABERNACLES and then, he would have been 30 years old. So, Jesus began his mission at the time of the Passover festival. But the other major point is based on SCIENCE AGAIN: THE LEAP YEAR tHE LUNAR Calendar and the Solar Calendar mark times and sinchronize on these ancient festivals. Therefore, Pisces marks the scientific vernal equinox solar calendar of MARCH however, the LEAP YEAR NEW YEAR ALWAYS BEGINS ON THE 2ND MONTH, APRIL, ON THE 14TH DAY OF THE LUNAR CALENDAR and this is done every 3 years!!! Therefore, both John and Jesus were born during the LEAP YEAR NEW YEAR and thus, the triple conjunction occurred during APRIL 16th at 6:00 PM [ie. April 17 for Hebrews]!!!-- And this is why it was marked to the ARIES CONSTELLATION!!!--- Not Pisces or Aquarius. All of this what I am speaking of goes way back thousands and thousands of years to the ancient Sumerians who used huge BOUNDARY STONES aligned with the certain moving stars and fixed stars and star configuration like ORION and etc. to mark land boundaries!!! So, what we should do as AFrican Americans is recall a page or two from the past and sit down at the table, grab some coffee or tea and do some math, trigonometry and measurements and read some better references...

Yes!!! @Mel Hopkins Thank you!!

REFERENCES Well, again, I don't have my notes, and I need them to respond, but I did a quick google to get some references. I had to take a pic at the link though, because these kind of reference continue to be quickly removed!!!! According to Parpola, the triple conjunction occurred in 7 BCE in the constellation of Pisces. ... Jupiter and Saturn in Pisces, Venus in Scorpio, Mars in Aquarius. ... Thus, in the diagram the earth is held stationary, even though it is moving on its ... Well, I took a picture of this page but it did not print on this page. I will get it later from my files and try to upload. But the title and link is: The Triple Conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn – Iowa State University www.public.iastate.edu/-lightandlife/triple.htm Again, the page is deleted from the web! But, here is another link I found today: The Magi's Star (The Star of Bethlehem) ... The Great Conjunctions of 7 B.C. is unusual in that it was a "triple conjunction". Triple Great Conjunctions are rare and do not happen in a predictable pattern. ... Also note that on February 9th and March 4th of 6 BC Mars joined Jupiter and Saturn forming what Kepler called a Grand Conjunction. Kepler saw a similar massing of the planets (a Grand Conjunction) of Jupiter, Saturn and Mars in in 1604 AD. https://uofgts.com/Magi.html SOOOOooo, @Pioneer1 Who calls the Star of Bethlehem, a planet!? Answer: the whole entire world, with the exception of most of the Black churches here in America-- They are still waiting for this educational system to teach them. Again, after the 2002 alignment, the federal government and Nasa and etc. took ownership of a lot of the scientific post!!!! The information about the April 17, 2002, planetary alignment has been almost completely removed from the internet!!! When i tap into the link, it is now under NASA and THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT! Man, that blew my mind! HOwever, I sort of knew that would happen so, at that time, I made a bunch of copies and pass them around to a lot of churches!!! LOL! So now, in respect of the [1] TRIANGLE CONFIGURATION and [2] TRIPLE CONJUNCTION, you can find some info about this because it was a major occurrence at the time of the appearance of the planet Saturn. Both of these triangular events though are distinct and separate subjects. Also, it is vital to note too, that no one, and I repeat, NO ONE scholar in the western world will post against the White House! It seems they all have to somewhat agree on specific statements that make, therefore, you will not find statements admitting that this was the very time the planet Saturn came into orbit!!! However, all of the PLANETARIUM SHOWS will state that this is the time when the Star of Bethlehem came into orbit, and they will state that it was a planety, howeve, they will not say, specifically that it is Saturn!!! They go into a story form and highlight the mythology about Jupiter!!! LOL! But they all admit that the Star of Bethlehem is a planet, thanks to the Bible authors, they cannot deny this fact, and thanks to the roman coins and so many other ancient civilizations that record this global event! The western scholars also, all agree on the same 'false dating' statement and report that the triple conjunction and the triangle configuartion occurred in 7 BC and some say 4BC; even NASA, but there are some scholars that show how false this is too. I have done extensive data collecting on this and know that this 'false date year' of 7BC is comepletely based on a White-part Jew Roman court reporter named JOSEPHUS who actually wrote this account of 7BC more than 30 years after the Crucifixion [ie 60+ years after the star appeared!]! LOL! And also, Josephus completely based this 7BC year on the life of HEROD-THE-GREAT and had nothing to do with the actual timing of the planet saturn!!! But western scholars are not going to change this 'false dating of the year' unless they are 'allowed to do so'. Nevertheless, it is vital to regard the writings of Josephus and other writings back in those days and to use it as a step towards pressing our government to admit the truth. Anyone can research this date 7BC and see that it is based on Herod and not the star's appearance. Nevertheless, the actual time of the year, THE VERNAL EQUINOX cannot be refuted and all reports show that this star did not come into orbit on DECEMBER 25! LOL! But as the Bible records show, it came into orbit during the FEAST OF TABERNACLES [IE BOOTHS] which is SPRINGTIME, not in the fall at the time of the Feast of Passover. the ARIES CONSTELLATION in the zodiac sphere marks THE SPRING EQUINOX!!! The priest-scientist that came from the EAST that saw the star appear 'in the east' saw this star on a low horizon from their viewpoint. So they organized caravans and trekked and followed the star until @Pioneer1--- DRUM ROLL**** The star was ALIGNED with the PLANET EARTH in a 180 degree line--- a straight line---- it was directly over their heads as they stood in front of the house in Bethlehem-Judaea--- at this time the star had already appeared about 2 years prior!!! *** 2 years prior-- the star appeared in a 180 degree line with this earth in the country of Bethlehem-Judaea but at this time, it was over 'A BOOTH' [ie. barn; three-way lean-to] during tax season and the Hebrew festival week of the FEAST OF BOOTHS [IE TABERNACLE]. So the scriptures say something like this: the babe was wrapped ins swaddling clothes and laid in a trough [manger] and then 2 years later, the wisemen came up to a door where 'THE YOUNG CHILD WAS' with his parents and they gave gifts for joy that they had followed the star. Now, so, if you see the science about the planet saturn, you will see it's exact movement now as it was in the past!!! ============================================================== HERE IS THE POINT ABOUT TRIANGULATION: [1] The Triangle configuration is based on ancient KEMET and the BABYLONIAN SUMERIANS who were obsessed with measuring the earth in relation to the stars or vice-versa. They are the ones to initially develop how to measure stars distances one from another for years and years and years and they came to realize how stars were in a straight line at times, even though they appeared to make a triangle cofiguration. This science was later developed thousands of years later by BLACK NEGROES AGAIN!!! LOL. The Turkish Negroes and the Islamic dudes developed TRIGONOMETRY and measuring shadows with the sun, and angles from the earth to the stars and etc. But again, I need my notes to better explain the significant terms. The triangle configuration was determined based on measurements that the planets were far apart on their on axis but also in a straight line with the sun and other planets as well. The triple conjunction was based on another specific type of measurement that determined other facts such as 'retrograde' and the proximity they were with the earth to cause other happenings. -------------------------------------------------------- It take this planet 'about 291/2 years to circle the sun' [ie father time] but, it spins on its axis extremely fast. If you divide it in quadrants of 'four' you will see that it stayed in orbit in that region in Jerusalem for about 3 1/2 years and then it's new year, 29 1/2 years later, it had its' first NEW YEAR and when Jesus was 'about 30', he began his mission!!!-- So says the scriptures! St Luke says, that Jesus was 'about 30'. *3 1/2 years later, Jesus was crucified under a TOTAL SOLAR ECLIPSE and the planetary alignment occurred again at this time, whith Saturn returing and remaining in the Bethelen-Judaea region for about 3 1/2 years! the romans were serious STAR WORSHIPERS and this is one reason why this occutation lined up with their Saturnalia festival of human sacrifice of the 'Evil god Seth'.