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OH GOSH, so true!!! absolutely. Okay, so this is so complex to me, in that she is debating with Malcolm X, but I think he too, was not all that Pro-Black all of his life. We all have issues and need to work them out, but it is not easy trying to do this in America. Anyway, I don't think it is good to 'judge a book by its' cover'. We all have to contemplate how we have come to form our opinions regarding racism. So, this reminds me of something that happend to me years ago: Side Note: Years ago when my oldest child was a toddler and my younger child was an infant, I accused my husband of cheating on me with a White woman but the end result, was embarrassing for me. My next-door neighbor, a White American ‘German-type’ girl was my best friend at the time and I asked for her help in confronting my husband when he came home from work. I had checked our answering machine and ‘my heart fell through my stomach’ as I listened to what sounded like a White woman talking to my husband on the recorder. I immediately ran and knocked on my girlfriend’s door and had her come listen to the recording. She also said that it sounded like a White woman and she too, got angry. So both me and her came out into the foyer at the top of the second floor of our apartment building and waited for my husband, ‘that BLAM NEGRGO’ to get home. He climbed the stairs and then we confronted his ‘behind’. But, he paid us NO attention and he looked tired from work. He completely ‘blew us off’ as he opened the door, but we followed him down the hallway to our bedroom and we demanded that he listen to the voicemail. So, I hit the button with passion, and stood back by my girlfriend to see what he was gonna do when he saw that we busted his rass. . . . So, after he listened to the voicemail, he turned and looked at me and said, “[my nick name]”. He said, ‘Chev’, he paused; “THAT’S YOU.” OMG. My girlfriend and I looked at each other, in surprise, and then, I realized that it was me! OMG. DARN. We both grabbed each other, and slowly backed out of the room, then we ran down the hallway and out and ran into her apartment… and laughed till we cried. I had forgotten what I sounded like on recordings. My girlfriends at the HBCU always gave me a hard time about my speech pattern and I sometimes try to change it, but my siblings and cousins from Western Pennsylvania, we all sound very similar. So, the moral of this crazy experience would be for me, in that it’s not good always judge a book by it’s cover. The first impression may not be the complete person.

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I think only folks over 45 will relate to this feeling. Those on the other side might wonder how there could be anything but emotional rage. Note: I’m thinking about Black Twitter raking Michelle Obama over the coals for writing bothsiderism in a passage that refers to Reverend Jeremiah Wright ... and they’re also poking at EBONY Media Operations for its POWER 100 list (advertising revenue mechanism) but not inviting Miss Flint to the “private” gala. Again, maybe Malcolm was onto something. Maybe for Black-Owned Businesses and Black Celebrity Enterprises to thrive they must move beyond the ideals of the black community.

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DUH. i think your response was highly opinionated. But not the expression of a self-centered person. What i said about me being self-centered was that i thought this was how others viewed me. i don't view myself as self-centered however because i am too busy focusing on contradicting what others say. So i guess that kind of ties in with Troy said. Note that i never bother to capitalize "i" when it stands alone and this is for a reason... Once again i have a confession to make. i didn't join this thread until late because sometimes i stay on the sideline and just let others go at it, especially when it involves videos because as i've gotten older my attention span is short, and both spoken and written comments have to instantly grab me or i lose interest. So, when Del asked my opinion on black women marrying white men and Chevdove shared her thoughts on the exchange between Malcolm and Evie, i back tracked and checked things out closer, which is to say i actually watched the video. And it was, indeed, like going back in time. In 1961, i was 28 years old and immersed in the blooming civil rights struggle. This was during Martin's and Malcolm's hey day, their friendly rivalry kinda like a Michael and Prince thing; different sides of the black coin, one edgy, the other smooth. This was also when TV had really come into its own having just started to command a wide audience in the mid 1950s. So "M"&"M" were superstars, thanks to the exposure granted them by the MEDIA of TV as well as talk-radio which was also an up and coming outlet. The thing about what they were both saying back then was although it was revelatory to white people, it was familiar to blacks, and when these 2 started spreading their messages, black folks immediately identified with them. They weren't saying "Oh, Wow", they were nodding "Right On". The things Malcolm was saying about whites i had grown up hearing to my daddy say, something that was common in all black families who lived in a racist society. i never had any illusions about the guilt of whites but my particular environment also enabled me to see benefits of what Martin was saying about integration. As soon as i heard Malcolm's resonate voice on the video, telling it like it was in response to the shrill, high-pitched enunciations of Evie, the years fell away. Now, as then, i have mixed emotions, - which is what it means to be black in America...

Lol! Damn @Chevdove that was a wild story. Nice opening to a book about a good, hard working man, and his loving, but nutty wife. @Cynique no (wo)man is perfect. But some are more accomplished and inspiring than others. Neither King or Malcolm were perfect or above critique. So I'm with you on that regard. I would put Obama in the same category it got to the point for me was beginning to dislike the man because so many (usually women) treated him like he was the second coming. Any critique was met with hostility. I have no problem being critical of Obama, which, for a Black person, is the very definition if being an iconoclast. I find less to be critical of King or Malcolm that I do of Obama. I tend to agree. If you read my newsletter https://madmimi.com/p/6aaf4d?fe=1&pact=1349867-148415217-8791670882-25c1d2bb2a31c65f5317d9dc825a3cdd220b508e I attempt to provide a variety of information, but I've found, over time, the content reflect what i personally feel is important. In this issue mean works that celebrate Black women activitist, who are iften marginalized in favor of the men. Thanks for the nuanced response to my reaction to your rebuttal to @Pioneer1 and @Delano's simplistic atribution of highly opinionated to your personality. To a causal oberverer we could all be called "highly opinionated" but that is crudely reductionist and does not tell your full story. Thanks for continuing to tell your story. I do too. It does not make us bad.... just human. I grew up in a segregated ghetto, I know my perspective is influenced by this experience.

Wow. In a way, her speech pattern does sounld, to me anyway, like she is Black but then, she also sounds to me like she could be White [European] too. She can't pick that accent up from just being around White people or her husband, IMO. Nevertheless, regarding Malcolm X, WOW. I read a book about him and I was under the impression that he had a time in his life in which he dated White women!? [side note: But then, hey, my speech pattern has fooled a many of people] At any rate, I think that Interracial relationships between AfroAmerican Descendants of Slaves and White Europeans is not 'cut and dry'; It is wrong to categorize everyone with the same conclusion. I think that COLORISM doesn't help this cause either. But, again, in my experience, there are Black men who blatantly based their choice to date and marry White women based on their hatred of Black women and vice versa, and this is a serious problem. But then, there are also some Black men that I have come across that date White women, but they don't disrespect Black women and at times, they are very positive and address issues of racism against Black people. The late, Ivan Van Sertima, immediatly comes to my mind. He married a White woman, and this does not take away from his positivity as a Black man, IMO. I've also come across a number of AfroAmerican women scholars who are married to White men, and has done passionate work on bringing forth information about the Black presence in ancient civilizations and are very positive. But, I have a double standard too, when it comes to Black women who date White men. My take on this is not easy for me to explain or express on paper. I absolutely don't agree with anyone feeling they have to demean Black men as a basis for wanting White men, but I think there is a deepr level when it comes to Black women in this subject. I also think that celebrities should not be excluded and exempt from affecting the masses because they do reflect the whole. ONe of my favorite actresses is Whoopi Goldberg, and I realize she rubs some Blacks the wrong way. Another of my favorite celebrities is Alfre Woodard, and I was surprised to find out she married a White man, but nevertheless, I don't feel that the 'sold out their people', so I still appreciate their work. As for Evie, she rubs me the wrong way.

Well, i should have been more specific. i should've said a man who has never been married is not a reliable source of why a woman would marry a man of any race, especially if this single man wrongly assumes that white men are not virile and potent and are, therefore, not someone a black woman would fall in love with. And if he further assumes that there aren't light-skinned black men who would produce the light-skinned children with curly hair a black woman might want, and if he lastly assumes that race is a factor when it comes to raising the social and financial status of a husband-seeking black woman. Any professional black man could do that; a doctor of any ethnicity is a "catch". Back to the first claim which is that of a black man who desperately clings to the idea that black men are the only ones who are well-hung and good in the bed. Untrue. I will further describe myself as an iconoclast by nature, one who has been influenced by the advice of Buddha to question everything, which doing, often leads to shattering traditionally held beliefs. e.g. In their desperation to establish their own mythic figures and heroes, black folks have elevated certain leaders to a sacrosanct status; a bracket that immunizes their designated icons from criticism. So, to not blindly revere the likes of Malcolm X and Martin Luther King or dare i say, Louis Farrakhan, is something akin to committing a sin. Once a quote from any of these icons is injected into a conversation, the person to whom it is directed is expected to automatically acquiesce to the validity and veracity of the words or deeds cited. To react otherwise is a "no-no". White folks also use this tactic to shut down blacks. Yes, these noteworthy black men were/are articulate and charismatic but they were/are not flawless or infallible. Bringing up their names in an effort to mute rebuttals is something I scoff at. I have become a truth-seeker, and the truth will reveal itself in the context of all the facts. So, what does this make true about me? i'll never tell but i will confess that black female icons are so much more awesome to me than male ones. 😎

LOL ain't that the Mother effing truth. On the dating scene now I'm Mister Communication, and you know what even talking to folks I'm was not particularly interested initially in makes them even more interesting. I would not be so quick to dismiss the experience of a single man regarding why women get married. Getting married is relatively easy. Staying married is the hard part. Getting married and the staying married are too different entirely different things. (Wait?! Am I, actually, backing up @Pioneer1 against Cynique -- lawd hammercy!) Right now the focus was in the getting married part. @Mel Hopkins raised an interesting point in that marriage is indeed a business relationship. I suspect marriages thought of in this way would last longer than those that were not. I'm not saying love is not a factor, but if you respect your partner, have a physical attraction, and keep your business cap on the love that can grow from that partnership may be boundless. @Delano can you be highly opinionated and not self-centered? Highly opinionated implies an irrational fixation on one's own thoughts over those of others, which is the very definition of being self-centered? What do you think? Deep. imagine if Malcolm was allowed to continue to grow and develop as a man....

RANDOM THOUGHTS SMH. Husbands don't even understand their wives, and for a single man to broach the subject of why black women marry white men is beyond the pale; pun intended. Dispensing answers to this question is on a par with a black man explaining why white men marry black women; these are both subjects he is not qualified to speak on. Why black women marry white men is a choice that is as individual as their finger print and the reasons Pioneer provides for black women marrying white men can also apply to why they marry black men. Sheeze. Conspicuously absent from his explanations for an interracial marriage is that the couple are in love, and very revealing is his reluctance to believe they could possibly be sexually compatible. As for his other tarnished nugget of wisdom in regard to woman wanting to reform wayward men, Maya Angelou offered this sage advice years ago: "if a man shows you who he is, believe him." Pioneer's intrusion into unknown territory is an exercise that is comparable to me pontificating on a subject such as the pros and cons of circumcision. Puleeze BTW, wealth has been described as "old money" that has been inherited. So Trump is wealthy. Madonna came from an average middleclass family, but through talent and ambition she was able elevate herself to the ranks of the "noveau riche". Khalid Muhammad is like a character from central casting, selected for a sinister role for which he is perfect thanks to his appearance and manner. "This above all to thine ownself be true" has always been my mantra. I know why I'm hypercritical and argumentive, why i hate maudlin things, and the why of my love/hate relationship with males of the species. It all has to do with perfection, something i lack but crave. I also have 3 different personas and believe i am reincarnated because of certain things I've known without being told. And i also know nobody gives a damn about me revealing this because i am considered self-centered and am hiding behind a facade - which i'm not. 🙃 😵

Del why do Black Women marry or date outside the race. Women's choices vary individually, but generally speaking I've found out that most women of color who date or marry White men do so in hopes that it will make things better for themselves and their children. It's certainly isn't because they find them sexier or think they're going to please them better in bed....which is some of what nature intended. In a society where the resources are being heavily manipulated and controled, most women don't have the option of dating and marrying simply for sexual gratification, they have to make all type of sacrifices to their comfort and dignity by going after whoever they think will be the best provider for them and their offspring. And believe it or not many AfroAmerican women even date and marry White men hoping that their children will come out lighter skinned with curly or wavy hair.....LOL. There's a difference between wealthy and rich. Bianca Jagger and Jackie O were wealthy. Trump and Madonna are rich. And some people have so much charisma they don't need money. There is definately a difference between wealth and richness. Wealth includes POWER and influence in your society. But I would still definately put Trump and Madonna in the "wealthy" category. 　 　 Mel By the way, any woman agreeing to give birth to man’s offspring upgrades that man- full stop Hmmm....... I understand what you're saying but I wouldnt' go as far as saying it "upgrades" the man. Upgrading is usually a more concrete and absolute term that is evident both internally and externally whether society itself can see the improvement. I would say having a man's baby or just being willing to sleep with a man improves his SELF ESTEEM and basically tells him "good job" in whatever he's doing. But if I understand the FOUNDATION of your point then not only do I agree but it's one that I've been telling a lot of young women for over a decade now who think they can "change" criminal minded and irresponsible men. Many young girls think that they can sleep with a man first and change him later through her love and encouragement. I tell them that it's just the oppposite...... Sleeping with a man is a way of REWARDING him and once a woman sleeps with a man in any condition he's in she's basically telling him "I love you just the way you are which is why I'm giving myself to you". If he was no-good, broke, and abusive when you met him and you rewarded him with all of the sex he wants.....why should he change his behavior and risk messing things up. 　 　 　 　 Troy Clearly that video has been heavily edited. I wonder what looks like uncut and in it's entirety. You can tell that the interview was going to be a hit piece when Carter started off with the phrases: "You NEED to answer" and " You CLAIM to be a leader".....lol. I wonder how far would a reporter (even a Fox News Reporter) would have gotten with Trump if they had started off with telling him you NEED to answer these questions,lol. He...like many people of that time...seriously underestimated the intellectual capabilities of Dr. Khalid Muhammad and thought he would be able to easily trap and manipulate him. Muhammad didn't just have a doctorate degree but he held degrees from both Yale AND Harvard and was a professor in California state. That man was literally "gifted"...a genius. If you followed the rap groups of the 80s and 90s like Public Enemy, Khalid Muhammad is the one giving the speech in the introduction of Public Enemy's "Night of the Living Baseheads" song that tells the tale of New York's crack epidemic in the 80s. BTW, if you think THAT interview was interesting, listen to an interview Khalid did with SEAN HANNITY that seems to have taken place sometime in the 80s early in Sean's career before he joined Fox News when he was just a small time radio host: https://youtu.be/Pm7_JqqUQWc